#89 | Joe Ciliberti |

As we peel back the curtain on the Arnold Sports Festival and reminisce about encounters with bodybuilding legends like Kai Greene, we're reminded that even the most iconic figures are just people beneath the spotlight. My guest, Joe Ciliberti, and I share a laugh over the humbling realization that these athletes, whom we once viewed with wide-eyed admiration, are individuals with their own challenges and triumphs. From candid discussions about the mental and physical toll of bodybuilding to the pursuit of a balanced lifestyle, we navigate the complexities of life post-competition and offer insights into the discipline required to maintain not only a physique but also a sense of well-being.

Strap in for a ride through the byways of social media entrepreneurship, where the allure of likes and followers can overshadow the deeper connections that truly enrich our lives. Whether it's the constant battle against digital addiction or the surprising revelation that living with a pack of akitas might just be the antidote to a solitary life, Joe and I examine the ways our screen time shapes our reality. We ponder the unexpected places we find joy—from matching 'jam jams' with my dog, Kenji, to the satisfaction of being the sober designated driver—and the importance of carving out spaces for authentic living in a digitally saturated world.

Finally, we address the elephant in the room: the financial illusion behind the glamorous facade of influencer culture. Pull up a chair as we tackle the hard truths about the viability of social media careers and the stark financial realities that come with the territory. With personal anecdotes and heartfelt reflections, we celebrate milestones, like a year of sobriety, and acknowledge the importance of thoughtful planning for the future, all while cherishing the community that has joined us on this journey. So, raise a glass (of water, ghost or reign of course) to personal growth, grounding relationships, and the shared aspiration for an authentic life well-lived.

Transcript

Celebrity Encounters and Perspective

Speaker 1 0:00

So I didn't go last year. Did I go last year? I thought you did last minute. Maybe it was there last year.

Speaker 2 0:05

I remember yeah, you were with like the all the road guys, because I remember I was trapped at the Arnold. I was trapped at the actual gym outside of the expo because we sponsored pros gym. We have a real last year. That was last year. Every year that I've gone I get brought there for two reasons. One, because my sister used to go to Ohio State, so I'm already familiar with the area. I bring the team there when we go out. I know where to go. Basically to is I have a relationship with the guy that owns pros gym. So basically my boss would say, hey.

Speaker 1 0:31

Joe, that's right, I'm up. Yep, you're a hundred percent correct, because you saw Kai there. He fucking ditched me correct.

Speaker 2 0:36

I had my picture with Kai. I think I said it to you like on the spot too. I was like dude. Finally, yeah, you're like. Where are you, though? And I was like I'm just for however long that Kai Green and I have been in the same state and I have never like said a word to him, got a photo and like also, truthfully, this is how you know that we've like matured in this industry, because I don't really like Fangirl about any of these guys anymore. You remember when we used to see Kai Green or like, say, phil Heath or Ronnie Coleman walked up to us and you'd be like all Like goo, goo Gaga, like eyes wide open, like you can't even say words, like I'll give a shit, like yeah, man, I used to.

Speaker 1 1:08

I don't know if it's an age thing, I don't know if it's something that you know you just mature into, but after a while you just don't fucking care anymore, and it's. It's nothing against these people.

Speaker 1 1:15

It's just, I know there's a certain type of person that just consistently Fangirls over celebrities or people of high notoriety in a and it could be anything. It could be in a societal standard, it could be in a fame standard whatever the standard is Just because this person is widely regarded and known. People are. There are some people that care way too much and there are people that Are just like, oh, that's cool. Yeah, I've always I really have always been like a Very not, I'm not gonna say down to earth, because I think other people can be down to earth as well, but I've always been a very eaten keeled individual when I see somebody of high notoriety.

Speaker 2 1:51

I could back you on that.

Speaker 1 1:52

I'm just like oh, dope like that. That's cool, that's you know. When I got to shoot Bronson, yeah, I was a huge Bronson fan for a long, for many years, so it was just crazy that I was I like I got to shoot him for muscular development.

Speaker 1 2:04

And then he invites me to his studio to go shoot again and then I'm with him doing individual shoots for him for like two months in his studio in Brooklyn. So you're sitting there and you're just like yo this is somebody that you listen to their music on repeat, right? You're jamming out, you're having a good time, you know all of his shit by heart and he's just hanging out in front of you and you. The more people like that that you're around, the more you realize these people are just like us. They're just there. There is no difference. They just either hit a stride professionally, they hit a stride in just Blowing up on on X amount of videos or whatever it was, and and they got famed because of it, and that doesn't take them down in in in Merit or anything like that.

Fantasy Football and Celebrity Gossip

Speaker 1 2:44

It just kind of you got to realize these are just fucking people. They're just. They're just people. They're not. They're not and they're not kings, and even even kings. They're not gods, they're not. You know the. What drove me nuts was the Super Bowl and, just like the, the, this Taylor Swift.

Speaker 2 3:00

Are you pro Taylor or not Taylor?

Speaker 1 3:02

I'm pro. Just leave me the fuck alone. I want to watch football. That's all I'm pro. I'm pro. I think it's, and I think people basing their entire existence and happiness on a celebrity and who they're fucking is the Strangest shit ever.

Speaker 2 3:16

I am like so out of it when it comes to celebrity gossip and news and like, yeah, I knew about Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift because I mean like invested in football, like that is like one of like my favorite sports and plus I'm into fantasy football, so I actually care about the individual players. It's like you know anybody would? I got fucking. I got fucking shafted.

Speaker 1 3:33

Oh my god, oh my god, yeah, don't even go there I had.

Speaker 2 3:36

I took him first overall in one of my rounds and he did jack shit for me.

Speaker 1 3:40

I'd Kelsey too, and he was just like a bench warmer for me.

Speaker 2 3:42

I was like okay dude, and then every time.

Speaker 1 3:43

I put on the fucking bench. He did a great game, mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 3:46

And now, all of a sudden, the playoffs come around and everybody decides okay, you know what. We're gonna actually play this, like you know, to our full capabilities. You know, I'll just go fuck myself.

Speaker 1 3:53

I know it is what it is exactly what it felt like the entire season. I just I, tyler and I sat there. We were just looking at all of our players. I had the best graded draft out of everybody in our and meanwhile I was, I was looking at as I was drafting people. I'm like, oh dude, I'm fucked. This it's over for me, it's over. Then afterwards they gave me the highest Graded draft. They said, yo, you did the best out of everybody, right? And I sat there and I just went Okay, that's weird. First week dominated. Second week I got shafted because one of their players did 50 points or some shit. Every time I lost it was just because some random person got 900 points and like, work the concession stand for the rest of the day at the field and they got another 20 the best moments, though, or when, like Yahoo, is what like a lot of like my friends and I use when we do fantasy football now, because it's just a standard.

Speaker 1 4:38

I feel like that, or?

Speaker 2 4:38

ESPN. Espn is trash and I think we're actually gonna be getting away from Yahoo to like some newer one that I don't even know about. But the funny thing is when they come out with those like pre-season Rankings based off of your team and you get like an F.

Speaker 1 4:51

Yeah.

Speaker 2 4:51

But then there's been one year where I've gotten an F and my roommate he's like the commissioner and loves to put out like news bulletins and really go over the top with it, because that's kind of like his thing. He enjoys the hell out of it roommate. Oh, shout out to Robert Xavier young the third. Yeah, I got Rob. Oh god, I was wondering how long it was gonna take for me to name drop between him and a couple of my other closer friends which they will get named out everyone's getting named drop.

Speaker 1 5:12

For better, for worse, we'll find out.

Speaker 2 5:13

Already said, tyler, everyone's everyone's getting named drop but basically I got like an F one year and he did his little news bulletin and spoke to okay, this is a questionable pick. This is a questionable pick. What's he doing drafting this guy one the year there?

Speaker 1 5:28

you go.

Speaker 2 5:28

So between me and like my home league, like I've only done two of them, I can't do more than two weeks. They people that do five or six leagues. I don't know how you end up getting through the season. I do two leagues. Week 17 comes around. I am so done with football, to the point where I almost didn't even watch the playoffs. Truth.

Speaker 1 5:44

I deleted the app. I got shafted so hard I said fuck this. And I just deleted the app. I was over. It's not. Let let it ride out by itself. Yeah.

Speaker 2 5:52

I'm perfectly content with. Just you know, do what you got to do for like the individual people. You set your lineups. And it's funny because a lot of my friends, like I, have one of my friends who's actually a late-night talk host for sports. Oh shit, goes into the city and he has like one of the best like regular season records in our league. Has a one once.

Speaker 1 6:08

Dude, I would never let him in our league. I would just be like I'm sorry, dude, you just you can't you have too much insider trading.

Speaker 2 6:13

Oh no, we want him because that means that I'm just always gonna beat him. And it's funny because I'm an Ohio State guy and he's a Penn State guy. Shout out Hickey, you're getting named drops second after Rob, and he's still never won a championship. So maybe this podcast will be the something that lights a fire under his ass to really get his stuff.

Speaker 1 6:29

Together. He's using all of his sources. It's good. He's gonna scorch earth, everybody in that league. It's over for all you guys.

Speaker 2 6:34

His dramatic tiktok's cracked me up. Though he's really he's gonna be something big in a couple years. I can't wait to see this kid grow and he does all sports stuff.

Speaker 1 6:41

He doesn't really any every night he goes into the city and that's his.

Speaker 2 6:44

He works like the graveyard shift Yep, and it's crazy what does he do?

Speaker 1 6:47

Does he grab all of these statistics for them to talk about the next day? Or he is the actual person on the show.

Speaker 2 6:52

I think he does everything himself. It was one of those things where he works for. I think it's WFAN Okay, like super late night, but then he'll also fill in for people when they can't be on their normally scheduled program and he does it like this, he does it like a broad, exactly like this Does he do callers and everything like that.

Speaker 2 7:06

I don't think he does callers, because if he did, I would have absolutely petitioned to have been one by now. What have been like the least productive call in that whole show. But that's besides. The point is, him and I would have just been Shitting on each other the whole time.

Speaker 1 7:17

I mean, as I dude, if Tyler was a talk talk show host and I, oh my god, you know, I'd be the first and last call every single show.

Speaker 2 7:23

Rajole brothers literally was like I love you both. It was a cluster fuck, every single episode.

Speaker 1 7:27

And I miss that so much. Actually, it's funny you say that I just sent him a clip from that today. It was hysterical. It was when they he announced that they were doing that only fans was moving away from. It was moving away from pornographic material for a little while. Then I did this side. They were gonna lose all their. Oh, that's right.

Speaker 2 7:47

I forgot how big of a deal that was. Yeah, okay, oh my god, this fucking kid only fans is moving away from the model, sex and pornographic material. They're going for funding and they're moving to a more professional based service. You just like see him doing the yes shit I. Swear to God, I love this kid. I see this kid literally in like the like the first thing in the morning sometimes and it's so crazy because I forget that he's Tyler, because he's like everybody's dead in the morning when we all go to work out.

Speaker 2 8:30

Yeah and it's like 610. We're all warming up and he's literally just sitting in the corner by himself. I'm like dude, are you ill?

Speaker 1 8:35

This is not yourself. No, that's how I am too, though.

Speaker 2 8:38

You still bullshit with me in the mornings that we see each other like you're like awake, I'm generally is like I'm, why the fuck am I here? And then five minutes until work out, he's like okay, I'm good, like yeah he needs a little warm-up period.

Speaker 1 8:48

I'm generally quiet, I just I like to get in my fucking zone and just if the music's not getting me on the ride over or something like that, I just I need that. I need that. It sounds stupid, but I need that old-school bodybuilder style. I need that hoodie up, layered up, just fucking I just all the way draped over to the nose. I just want I still have all my. I'm wearing all my 2xl hoodies. They're like I'm wearing my boyfriend's hoodies. That's what I look like, dude, you would come to.

Speaker 2 9:13

OG as the only person wearing a hoodie, and I just think I've got like a sore thumb.

Speaker 1 9:17

I've never taken my shirt off like this big-ass yellow 2xl hoodie.

Speaker 2 9:21

You look like a fucking banana running Yep, and it's the like, one of the most historical things. But then you take off your tank top and everybody's like, oh wait, no, he's in shape like he's cut up.

Speaker 1 9:29

Yeah, I'm doing okay. I'm doing okay. It's been quite the trend, the transformation transition. It's been nice. I have to have you drop now. I well, I have to give you your flowers. You were 100% right. I do love going there. You tried getting me to go to OG for a long time. Yeah, I have to give you your flowers. You were right. I definitely waited too long. I did want to be leaner before I went there, and that it was not the case Because of the amount of girls that were there. I was like I said if I'm gonna go to OG or I have to go to nunsies, shout out, mike, if I want to go to nunsies, I have to be leaner and right. Either of that happened. So I was chubby when I went to nunsies. I was chubby when I went to OG not anymore, though. Now I got. Now I got into into some good shape. I got to get back in the cardio mode, that's my problem.

Speaker 1 10:07

It's so tough, it's like once it's the ankle injury, it's the ankle injury. I'm still. I'm still nursing this injury between the injuries, but then it's also.

Speaker 2 10:14

It's like I was listening to Nick bear earlier this week and he was talking about how you make progress in drops and you'll lose it in buckets. Yeah, I was like that is legitimately conditioning to a T all of my crazy fitness friends from the gym that we all work out with on a regular basis, and how they hold this conditioning to the level that they do. And I'm just like over there dying with like my hands on my knees and you know, you kind of like you feel bad because you want to compare yourself to everybody that you're working out with your contemporaries, but that's not. That's not like our realm, though it's like we're like growing into that.

Speaker 1 10:43

Let me, uh, let me, let me, let me stop you right there. I mean, some of those individuals are not exactly, um, you know, natty and and and clean. So you have to remind yourself of those situations which I've had to do for years. And it's not a knock on people, because we've been in the industries and we've seen a million. We're friends with people. You know what I'm saying. Like we've been in the competition scene and realm and whatnot. But you have to understand, like that's always been a mental hurdle for me is when I look at these people and they're they're shredded year round Like we're talking fucking diced. Yep, what was Robert Downey Jr in Tropic Thunder? His line? He's like yo, man, you're more shredded than a julian salad. Yeah, man, you're more shredded than a julian salad. So when you see these people you have to kind of just Pause and go. That's amazing that you're able to keep that, that shape.

Speaker 1 11:31

Because, it still takes a lot of dedication and hard work, but there are. There are other factors that allow everyone to stay tight year round, right.

Speaker 2 11:38

Doesn't make it easier absolutely, but at the end of the day, I mean, it's like you see what these people are eating.

Bodybuilding, Mental Health, and Discipline

Speaker 1 11:44

So yeah, that's. That's that. Once again, I have to do the disclaimer. That doesn't take away from what they do on a daily basis, right, it does make it easier to hold, like even the dudes after shows. Man, I I was suffering to keep my shape after a show your preachers of the choir man.

Speaker 1 11:59

And these fucking guys, they were just like lean for like six days after and then you see them let go and they're just like okay. I it's almost like when someone's like holding their gut in for like the photo shoot and then okay, and everything just comes fucking falling out.

Speaker 2 12:09

It's so crazy, man, I mean honestly. Thankfully, I had like other factors this time around when I did my show in november that were encouragement for me to hold my shape for literally as long as possible, and I think I actually did relatively well with that up until maybe the first or second week of january, you know what I'm saying, though like you always look good, though you don't ever look bad, you don't ever look like you may blow in yourself out.

Speaker 1 12:29

You know, I'm saying yeah.

Speaker 2 12:30

I try to like you're just.

Speaker 1 12:31

You never look like. The dude is just let it all go, and now I gotta restart again.

Speaker 2 12:33

No, I've done that. I've done bad rebounds when it comes to shows and it's something that like. So one of my friends actually gave me a topic that we could have talked about, where it's like okay.

Speaker 1 12:42

Um, unless it segues into here.

Speaker 2 12:43

I'll. I'll write it down. Basically it's how bodybuilding was kind of like almost like front, like I'm actually going to pull it up and he didn't want me to name drop him so I'm not going to do that.

Speaker 1 12:52

But basically he was going along the lines of you don't have to let me see the name, I'll stream it out. Well, you know, I'm not gonna say who it is, let me see, oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 13:03

So it was like okay, uh, where is it? Where is it? Uh, where the hell is it? He's like any. I love the kid, but he also sends me like 99 text messages in a row. Like all bodybuilding is months of starving and treating your body in the most unhealthy of ways, just for someone else's opinion of you on stage.

Speaker 1 13:22

So he's not wrong. I mean, look, it depends on who your coach is and and there's a lot of fact Bodybuilding in a lot of ways is an over glorified beauty pageant Really what it is and it's not. It takes a lot of dedication, it takes a lot of hard work and to get to that final point and actually finish a prep, because there's a lot of people That'll bodybuild and go through it and they just won't finish a prep Yep, so there's a lot of, there's a lot of instances where people just can't finish because it is a lot of hard work, but on the other hand, it is abuse on the body. A lot of people are drug abused. A lot of people are starvate, starvation abuse to themselves. Mentally, they're just fucking checked out but they keep going. That was like that post that I put up Yep, that post that I put up when I was talking about people that are just fucking faking the smile in the mirror and then, the second that that camera is off, they're back to being miserable again.

Speaker 2 14:08

Half land man. That's so many of the people that I've met, and it sucks because it's like there's not really anything that you can do about it.

Speaker 1 14:13

I would say there's 99 99% of the people that messaged me based on that, where, dude, you could, and pros too, you couldn't be more spot-on, mm-hmm. And then there's like the 1% of people that just were like, oh no, you're wrong, it's okay. Like, if you feel attacked by that, don't be upset with me. That's some internal reflection that you have to do on yourself, the sport and you know, if you're, if you're in your mid to late 30s and you've just been competing and oh well, I just do it. For me it's like, really, you just starve yourself and do these preps and run yourself into the ground and spend a ton of money on gear and do well, just for you, yeah.

Speaker 1 14:48

I mean I I'm sounding judgy because I am in some ways, but if that's how you um, take Fun and purpose it for yourself. I mean, glory be to god, do you think, brother? But I mean that to me doesn't seem fun. What seems fun to me is achieving a healthy, balanced physique. Thank you, being an athlete, having a good, having a good relationship with food, mm-hmm, understanding things that serve you and things that don't, because there's a lot of things in this world that don't serve us that at some point you have to kind of just give up, otherwise it's going to bring you down a path of just trainwreck speaking of that, one was the last time that you've had a drop of alcohol.

Speaker 1 15:29

It's going to be? Uh, it'll be a year, next month, this month, yeah, it's marked, man crazy.

Discussion on Lifestyle Changes and Memories

Speaker 2 15:34

Unreal dude, crazy dude. I don't know. I just use that app that tracks how many days you know what I did?

Speaker 1 15:38

I deleted it because I was like I'm not an alcohol.

Speaker 2 15:39

I had one of my friends.

Speaker 1 15:41

They have like the coin and everything.

Speaker 2 15:42

I'm like I'm not an alcoholics.

Speaker 1 15:43

I don't really need this.

Speaker 2 15:43

I had one of my friends who actually had the app and he had like forecasted out what that day of 365 was going to be and I legitimately I have a note on my phone of like all of like my important days, like when I'm going to go away or any family parties, and I legitimately wrote that down and I texted it. I was like dude, like happy one year. You don't realize it, man. Now it's like you know, I get like the whole like socially acceptable drinking thing and then all of a sudden you cut it out. Like you know, you have friends that do 75 hard and it's like in the beginning, when they Used to do that, I would be like so pissed off because it's like, yeah, you're losing friends.

Speaker 2 16:11

It's like you're losing the easiest way of being able to hang out with people and connect with them and bond and these are like the prime years of our life. I get it, but then at the same time I'm almost like being hypocritical because I've gone into bodybuilding press for four, four and a half, five months for harbored bro oh, my gosh man. Well, you know you have to.

Speaker 1 16:28

You have to look at it from a different perspective. You have to look at it to in the exact way that you just said. You have to look at it like well, I've been selfish with my time too, and you know what there's. There's, there's, there's no right and wrong answer to anything. It's, it's balancing, it's understanding what's going to be good and what's going to be bad for you. So you know somebody that wants to cut alcohol out.

Speaker 1 16:45

They can still go out, like especially if you're not, if you're not a recovering alcoholic, or somebody that you could be around, booze and just not drink. Get a club soda, put a lime in it, pretend like you're having a. You don't even have to say anything. People will just automatically believe or be under the assumption that you have a drink in your hand. You don't have to. You don't owe anybody an explanation. None of us do, none of us. Oh, the person to our left, the person to our right hey, I don't drink anymore.

Speaker 1 17:07

So, like this, is uncomfortable with me to be here. Why is it uncomfortable? You'd be there, you could hang out, you can hang out and you could dip like Irish exit all the time. Dude, I'm the fucking king of that shit. I just leave. I just I'm gone. I'll hang out for a few. I'll look at my clock, I'll check Kenji on the um, on the cameras at my house. I'll be like yo, I don't want to be here anymore, I want to be in my jam jams and hanging out with him. So I'll just fucking leave.

Speaker 2 17:28

So funny how you always say jam, jams.

Speaker 1 17:29

I mean jams baby.

Speaker 2 17:30

I've literally known you for how many years? And you still say jam, jams, like I've seen you post stories of you in your jam jams, jam jams and now it's almost like you're gonna get me to say it. So, dude dude all.

Speaker 1 17:39

And you know what my jam jams are. They're gym shorts and a hoodie.

Speaker 2 17:41

That's my jam jams. Oh, I thought you had like the actual, like onesy, where it's like a matching set Kind of thing.

Speaker 1 17:46

I do you definitely do I do, and I wear that with Kenji on Christmas. We have matching jam.

Speaker 2 17:50

Oh, you do like the Christmas card kind of my mom, my mom always gets us matching jam jams.

Speaker 1 17:54

Oh, and then we wear it for Christmas day dog jam jams yeah.

Speaker 2 17:57

I thought, that you would have been the first person to event that.

Speaker 1 18:00

No, but certainly. There's actually a picture of us with it and I'm gonna show you. And it was fatnik too.

Speaker 2 18:04

It was like oh, this was fatnik before og this was a couple months before og. Oh damn, we're really about to go down that rabbit hole, huh.

Speaker 1 18:12

Yeah, I gotta like do some scrolling. It's pretty, but then I gotta feel like I haven't really. I don't really post that much.

Speaker 2 18:16

I do, but I do. You gotta do some scrolling, then that means that you're you know far, far enough, or move from it. So that's a good, that's silver lining.

Speaker 1 18:22

I'll tell you what man it's been. We're gonna go.

Speaker 2 18:27

Oh boy.

Speaker 1 18:29

Very interesting space.

Speaker 2 18:31

It's like I'm thinking about, like the whole Joker me man. It's like and here we go.

Speaker 1 18:35

That's really what it feels like, dude. Oh, you know what I? I definitely got rid of it. I I definitely pulled it off my because I hated my fat ass face in that picture. 2022, december. I love that feature be able to search things.

Speaker 2 18:48

Oh, I didn't even think about that.

Speaker 1 18:49

Yeah, just if you know the date, you just search it up and yeah, matching jam jams me and kenji, let's see it. Oh, we look awesome. We look so great.

Speaker 2 18:57

Oh, I remember that one. We look so great. That's like the like old money colors Waits to. Oh shit. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, that's my prize that you found the freaking jam jam that fits him.

Speaker 1 19:07

That's my mom it's. Those are.

Speaker 2 19:08

Those are millionaire jam jams he's knocked out, so he doesn't really know, if I, what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 19:12

Look at my mom trying to put the jam jams on him. He was miserable. Oh, he was fucking miserable, dude. What the hell he was like. Why are these on me and my mom's? Like a statue. My mom's like oh look, he's got Christmas jammies on ready, he's got the jammies on oh he's Christmas jammies. I'm fucking unbelievable. I said yo she wants a grandchild so bad.

Speaker 2 19:31

Oh, she's got it.

Speaker 1 19:31

Oh, she's got his kenji. Hey, hey, hey, you know.

Speaker 2 19:34

You're still young, we got time. I gotta get a text back before I have any kids, so so, um, what does that fucking say Christmas jams?

Speaker 1 19:41

How do we get on jam jams? I don't know, dude, we started out the whole bodybuilding thing.

Speaker 2 19:46

And then we ended up on jam, jams, yeah, dipping, so right, oh, it's you, you just have to.

Speaker 1 19:50

If you have, this is not so fucking cliche. If you have a mission and something that's important to you, don't allow external factors to Sway you from doing that, because the time is gonna go. Look at it, it's a year, bro. Yeah, it's a year that I haven't drank alcohol. It's a year, almost a year, that I joined og. So it's like the the time is gonna like synonymous with each other. The time is gonna go.

Speaker 1 20:13

By regardless. So you might as well just do the shit that you want to do, because those people that are Judging you, those people that are telling you sound so cliche I really hate sounding like this but those people that are judging you that are telling you like, oh no, no, I have one drink. Oh, dude, they might not even be your fucking friend in a year, yeah, but your mission is gonna be the same. I mean, it's almost a year, or two may, so a couple months off Since I started jujitsu. So it's, it's crazy, dude, how just the time is just going. So what are you gonna do with that time?

Speaker 2 20:41

It's also crazy too because it's like not everybody really knows what your own personal goal is gonna be, and you might not even really know what that is yet, but you I think people might realize that a part of it, whatever it ultimately ends up being, is gonna be okay reducing like external stressors, like alcohol, and not even really needing to worry about that even like so. One of the guys that I'm really big on lately is Chris Harris, one of the big crossfitters high rock sky. He's like he's the cat out east right.

Speaker 1 21:03

Oh my god, dude, he is like one of like the fittest people I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 2 21:09

I gotta make it over there one of these days to train, but he's really big on that heavy move.

Speaker 1 21:12

MF LH yeah, move fast, lift heavy, yeah. So Taylor and I filmed there a couple times. It's a dope gym and he's super big on the non-alcoholic Bruce, which is funny because one of my other friends from the gym, ernest.

Speaker 2 21:22

He has been so big on those two from the day that I met the kid. It's funny, I think Initially, maybe, like the first couple times that we went out, he was drinking, and then that's when he went into his whole sobriety phase. You know where it's like. He made it 365 days. We would go to the bars and I would already know to have one of those at the ready, or he would have, like my alcoholic drinking class At the ready while he's drinking his.

Speaker 1 21:43

But this is what I'm saying the happiest guy ever can have and and this is something that has to come across to people with with Prep as well, there's a balance. You can still go out, you can still get to bed early enough to go to the gym the next day, you can still prep all your meals and have all of your macronutrients covered all throughout the day and still be able to get but yeah, that's what I'm saying like you can still have a fucking life. Yeah, it's not. But we get into these mindsets that, oh no, I have to be a hermit, I have to do this, I have to that you don't have to do shit.

Speaker 2 22:08

Oh, no, dude.

Speaker 1 22:09

Be a be. You know you're the one that's cutting those relationships off. You're the one that's not allowing yourself to go be social and hang out with people. That's on you, bro, that's not on. You know, just because you're not drinking, you could be, unless you're an alcoholic. Like I said, unless you're somebody that has a problem, you can't be around. Booze Bro, go out, even if you're not drinking. Have the athletic brew ready to go. No, you don't know anybody in a fucking explanation for nothing.

Speaker 2 22:31

And it's also so funny too because, like, when I go into my prep stages, it's funny because my friends no, because I tell them and they follow what I'm doing, because I like to post a little bit more when I'm doing that type of Stuff, because you're kind of like tracking the journey a little bit, yeah. But then Secondarily they're like oh, okay, like Joe, you want to come out with us? Okay, yeah, it's like guys, we're good, joe's gonna drunk, like he's gonna sober drive for us.

Speaker 1 22:51

So nobody's gotta worry about that.

Speaker 2 22:52

I'm like, I am like so content with that man. I feel like I just love being the person that drives anyways.

Speaker 1 22:57

Yeah, so I mean, because you can leave me one.

Speaker 2 22:59

Yeah, and plus on top of that, I live in my car anyways. It's like that's why I it's like the first time I ever bought a new car in my life, but I knew how much time I spend in the thing and every single time I get into it I'm still like the happiest guy alive, I feel like I literally jeep is dope. I literally feel like I just drove it off the lot.

Speaker 1 23:12

Yeah, the jeep regrets at all. Sick, I like the gladiator Gosh man I. I'm on my fucking Toyota. Kick man. I want to get rid of my BMW so bad and I want to get a Toyota.

Speaker 2 23:20

I can see that.

Speaker 1 23:21

I'm waiting for these rates to go.

Speaker 2 23:22

I don't need it for this behemoth dog.

Speaker 1 23:24

I don't know what transformation has happened over the last couple of years, but I'm turning into a fucking redneck. I really am like a guns. I'm wearing denim all the time and like hooking shit up to my belts. I never wore belts. I want trucks. I want to move. I don't do. I don't know what is going on.

Speaker 2 23:40

Oh, look at me.

Speaker 1 23:41

It wasn't coming for me. Oh my god, All of a sudden I was like, oh wow, Zach Brown man is really good.

Speaker 2 23:45

And I was like whoa, whoa. Yeah, man, you're gonna be going to all the Jones Beast concerts with, like your cowboy boots on in your hat.

Speaker 1 23:51

Dude, maybe that's where I'll find wifey. I gotta find her, so she's somewhere. That's good, say dude, hey, you never know somewhere Otherwise, I'm just gonna have a pack of akitas, so fuck it.

Speaker 2 23:58

Hey, you know what? Whatever makes your mom happy. However, you know, grandkids she's gonna have she wants grandkids, man, she wants grandkids.

Speaker 1 24:04

So I gotta, I gotta, figure out some shit. I got time, though I'm not. I'm not in any type of a rush. Uh, I'll tell you what man. So this is an interesting project I have going on because I don't know how I feel on it.

Speaker 2 24:16

Yep, the secondary phone. I saw you. I saw you talk about that a little bit. What do you think?

Speaker 1 24:20

Uh, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. So here's my mindset. I have my iphone, which is the line that I have had for God. Everyone's got this number.

Speaker 2 24:32

This is, like the, the number that I've had years and years and years 16 years old Even like your prior careers with like when you were doing like the filming for the houses and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 24:40

Yeah, when I was doing all the audio video stuff, everyone's got this number. Yeah, uh, it's an interesting balance when you work for yourself, you're an entrepreneur or you even what you do, and people are hitting you up all the time. My issue is, as of late, I'm having a dilemma of not mental health, but needing to step away from social media because it's too much, because I'm trying to figure out what makes me happy and what doesn't make me happy, kind of like what I did with the fitness what serves me and what doesn't. And I've figured out that the more time I spend on social media, the more unhappy I am. Truly, like, the more you get into a funk. You're doom scrolling this and that. And because I have a larger following on TikTok, which is slowly dropping, because I don't post a lot on there, yeah, a couple hundred followers every couple of months you lose here and there.

Speaker 2 25:37

But that's like normal fluctuation when you get to that big of an account and you get to millions of views on your stuff.

Speaker 1 25:42

Yeah, it's like 50, but now, because I'm lost in the algorithm, I don't get that many views anymore. Oh, I didn't think about that, so I'm stuck in the 200 view block.

Speaker 2 25:47

It's like an algorithm man, if I have to hear about the algorithms one more time and everybody trying to catch it, just fucking post whatever you wanna post.

Speaker 1 25:53

Exactly, but this is the problem. The problem is we originally started these accounts to have fun and put do you hear my elbows? Dude, that was a crack from my elbow. My elbows are just disgusting anyway.

Speaker 2 26:02

No more bodybuilding for you. We need to make sure that you are functional and bulletproof.

Speaker 1 26:05

I don't know if it's Jiu Jitsu or if it's from bodybuilding years of just heavy weights and bodybuilding. I don't know.

Speaker 2 26:09

You're scaring me because if I'm still doing bodybuilding stuff, am I gonna be cracking and sounding?

Speaker 1 26:13

like broken puzzle pieces.

Speaker 2 26:15

No, I'm not letting that happen.

Speaker 1 26:16

I sound really dude. I wake up in the sidetracked, I wake up in the middle of the night and I toss and turn and all you hear is I swear. Every time both elbows crack, I'm out. What is that? Why?

Speaker 2 26:28

are they cracking? I absolutely refuse. I always joke around with everybody that I wanna be the one person that lives to 100. I don't wanna be. You can live to 100, you're just gonna make a lot of noise. Well, that's the thing. I don't wanna be living to 100, and then it also sounds like I'm throwing a Rubik's Cube down the stairs.

Speaker 1 26:40

Well, if you live to 100, generally, you're probably not gonna be moving that quick.

Speaker 2 26:43

Well, dude, I mean, look, you have people that are running races, like actually legitimately running. I forget if it's like a 10K or a half marathon or a marathon like the really old guy that actually ran the race.

Speaker 1 26:52

That's the David Goggins of the elderly, though, Unless if you fucking hit that can one more time I'm gonna murder you.

Speaker 2 26:58

Is it fucking a body? I just hear it, I just bang. I'm just trying to draw attention to it. Guys, come on, yeah, then fucking bang that time.

Speaker 1 27:05

I did it on purpose, Sorry sorry. No, no, you can turn around, yeah turn around. See, I don't even think you could see it.

Speaker 2 27:11

Well, okay, it can't be a podcast with Joe from Ghost if I don't have a ghost.

Speaker 1 27:15

I'm even wearing the shirt because everybody legitimately, it's actually fire. I love the ghost logo with the NASA.

Speaker 2 27:21

Yeah, so it's actually funny. I've had this shirt. We came out with this maybe like a year ago. It's on the side. Let me see, yeah, literally ski resorts, no the Skittles, oh yeah, skittles, actually. No, that's pride.

Speaker 1 27:31

Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 27:31

So what we do is like we have like all of our different logos that we just threw them onto one shirt and it was one of those shirts that like literally just sold out so fast because there's actually logos on here that we never put into production. It's cool.

Speaker 1 27:43

That reminds me of the ghost with the yellow, reminds me of goose bumps. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what that reminds me of.

Speaker 2 27:49

I don't know if that's what it is, but that's what that reminds me of, and it's so funny because, like I'm like, okay, I'm drinking the energy drink, I'm wearing the shirt.

Speaker 1 27:54

Yeah, no, you're Joe from Ghost bro.

Speaker 2 27:56

It's like one of those things where everybody's like, oh wait, I thought that you just do ghost full time. I was like guys like I'm a financial advisor outside of that but nobody really knows. But also I don't really try to cross those two worlds yes, separate Because if you're doing stupid stuff online for social media, for the fitness industry, where sometimes you're doing things to get views and I totally get it Like I trust me, I have my fun with, like my friend Carl and I that I think you saw the video of him punting the pizza out of my hand Not exactly the most conducive material for a financial advisor.

Speaker 1 28:23

People like wait a minute, you're supposed to handle five million dollars of my own money.

Speaker 2 28:27

You can't even handle a pizza, you're letting your friend, punt it out of your hands, like how are you gonna handle my money, that shit? Pull all the funds. So let's just say that I purposely don't cross those worlds because but that's smart. It's like I have like older clientele. It's like, yeah, maybe like you get like one or two really, really cool guys that are down to earth and it'll be like, oh yeah, I love that. But I'm worried that the majority of them are not going to think that.

Speaker 1 28:48

And they're very old school. You're very smart in thinking that.

Speaker 2 28:50

So my father is very old school and the clientele that I bring in are very, very similar to him. So in my head I'm like okay, If my older uncles and my dad aren't gonna like this, chances are they're not gonna like it either. So that's why it's like okay, even if I talk about like I've been posting a lot more on LinkedIn lately, just like financial overview and market updates and things like that, I'm not posting that to LinkedIn. I'm keeping like two worlds separate, Like you gotta have church and state in my world.

Speaker 1 29:15

I'm laughing because I think of LinkedIn and everyone just circled jerk at each other on LinkedIn. I'm sorry, I wasn't laughing at you. I was laughing at how people react and act on LinkedIn about everything. It's literally just like a oh my God, it's a circle jerk.

Speaker 2 29:29

It's so funny though, because for me, I've been really big on LinkedIn, not really much as Facebook. It's like I managed to social media. Funny enough for the firm that I work with. It's a family firm. My father runs it and I've been in there for coming up on three years now.

Speaker 1 29:41

Shouts to pop silly.

Speaker 2 29:42

Oh, my God, man. He is one of my best friends and you know it's always interesting when you talk to people about working for family, because anything that you've heard, we definitely check that box. We've been through hell and back. Yes, we bicker, yes, we argue the other day. He's still my father. I love the man to death and he's taught me so much, so now it's opened up what I could do professionally because I have that base.

Speaker 2 30:04

You have somebody that's been doing this for 30 years longer than I've been alive and you know. Obviously he's gone through his trials and tribulations and now I just get to learn from him and I don't make nearly as many mistakes as he did in the very beginning. So I'm already kind of starting a step above. Maybe somebody at my age normally would start at.

Speaker 2 30:21

And it's crazy because I have conversations with clients, prospects over the age of 40, and I'm talking to them over the phone and I don't have, like my picture and my email signature. I don't have any of that. But then they see me in person and they're like wait, how old are you? I'm like 29, turning 30 in September, like I never would have guessed. I have so many clients that have came up to me and told me oh yeah, you're an old soul, you talk very professionally, but that's what you need. So I and I've always loved the fact that I've been able to I think I've done a good job with like okay, I have like my casual side, which is Joe from ghost, and then I have my professional side that is literally like Joseph Silverberry, financial advisor can help you go from A to B, plan out your family's legacy, do whatever you need.

Speaker 1 31:01

So it's amazing dude and listen, you know. Side note you know you've worked hard as fuck over the last couple of years, especially with the studying and getting all your certifications. You've worked your ass off.

Speaker 2 31:08

So oh my gosh man.

Speaker 1 31:10

You know, kudos flowers to you for working your ass off and setting yourself up and doing your damn thing. You're not just handy things.

Speaker 2 31:15

Fine man, 2024 is going to be a huge year and you know, let's just say that we're really investing into the business and going to be. You know you hunt when you kill. I'm out for everything, man Good. So it's going to be a fun year for sure.

Speaker 1 31:26

Keep that shit up, dude. You're fucking, you're going to kill it, dude.

Speaker 2 31:28

Yeah, man.

Speaker 1 31:30

You're killing it. I'm going to be the one the phones, the phones and my number.

Speaker 2 31:37

So how long are you going to give yourself Like what's like the trial? I don't know yet.

Digital Minimalism and Attention Span

Speaker 1 31:41

So it's a weird. It's a weird thing. So here's my issue. My thought process is I started listening to the audio book Digital Minimalism. Okay, and for anybody that's interested in picking that up, I advise everybody does. It's kind of you know a lot of it. We hear these things and we know these things. You know when you're addicted to something, you know when something takes over your life, you have an understanding, but you keep doing it because it makes you feel good for whatever it is. Well, sometimes it makes you feel bad, but you're so hooked in that you don't stop. So the book is called Digital Minimalism by Cal Newport, and it's very interesting how he outlines everything from addiction to how we're so over and we don't even realize it. Like we realize it, but we don't. When I wake up normally, when I wake up in the morning, the first, the second that I wake up, I put an audio book on, or I put a podcast on, or I put a YouTube video on, or I put the TV on in the background.

Speaker 2 32:48

And now it's almost as if like everybody does that and it just feels so accepted and normal.

Speaker 1 32:53

Exactly, and really it's like no, really. It's like yo you just woke up, let's ease into the day, let's get started, let's brush our teeth.

Speaker 2 33:01

Whether it's like Joe Rogan, David Goggins, it's like it doesn't matter Anything. Yeah, no, trust me, I'm on the same stance as you with this or you put music on, or you okay.

Speaker 1 33:09

So let's just say, you get up, you put music on, then we walk the dog and while we walk the dog we have things playing. Then we get back to the house, you put, let's say, espn on the background and that's going in the background. Then you start getting calls, then you start getting texts, then you're getting DMs from all your friends on social media. Exactly, you're getting DMs from all your friends on social media about memes and you post a picture because, oh, I got to keep my count up to date. And you post a picture and, oh, I'm going to be on Nick's podcast later, let me post that. And you post that, and then I reshare it, and then people are messaging me and then the thing is still playing in the background.

Speaker 1 33:38

Then I get to the office. Now I'm editing and I'm in front of a computer. Now I have something on in the background for that. I have music or something to just have noise and this and that we are constantly going on on on. I actually had it written down. I just want to make sure I covered all of them Phone calls, emails, social media, audiobooks, podcasts, music, streaming services, video games, games on your phone, fucking dating apps. This shit is just dinging all day and you don't really like. You realize it, but you don't. And then that's not even taking into account when we're just doom scrolling and we're just going through real to real, to real to real to real TikTok is the king of that.

Speaker 1 34:17

And then everybody else started. And then you have Facebook, you have Instagram reels, you have TikToks, you have YouTube shorts, you have all these different services and our fucking attention span is getting shot. And we're just wondering why do I have a headache? Like, why am I so drained? I slept. You didn't ever give yourself a chance to chill Like. I've been an only child my whole life. I've never had a sibling, so back up.

Speaker 2 34:44

I got you, I got you.

Speaker 1 34:45

Anytime, anytime. You all need something broken down. You got the kid right here.

Speaker 2 34:49

I'm being a little fresh right now, sorry, no, no, I love it. I love it.

Speaker 1 34:51

You have to. It's a podcast. We're here for fun, so I've always had to self entertain before there were electronics. So when I was little I used to sit in my room and just my mom has videos of me in home movies. I just sit in my room in the corner with my back to the door and my me facing the corner, and I had two big bookshelves and I would just sit there and read my books, just hang out, flipping through, just hanging out.

Speaker 2 35:13

And now doing that today with people's kids that probably have like iPads or something along those lines by the time they're like six or seven Cause it's like, oh, if they're capable of being able to use this and it can keep them distracted and occupied, the parents are going to be like, oh yeah, let me just get this for them because it'll make my life easier. And okay, it's like the kids go to school and they're occupied.

Speaker 1 35:32

In theory, that's technically what you what, what a lot of people you know, speaking relatively, they would feel, but it's actually making your life harder now because you're creating this monster that we're all experiencing now at the infancy level. So now you're seeing this monster get developed and you're getting these I always say it these Coca-Mellon babies, these fucking babies that have the attention spans that are just like this long, and the second they don't have a screen in front of them. They scream, they cry, they tantrum and it's like holy shit and parents just go oh my God, just take the fucking iPad. And then the baby shuts up and you're feeding the monster and the monster's just going to keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger. It's we're living in a very interesting world. You know. One of the quotes that sticks out in my mind from the audio book was that the new tobacco farmers and dealers are just the entrepreneurs in Silicon Valley with t-shirts on now because they're giving you this addictive substance.

Speaker 2 36:33

Oh, okay, I follow now.

Social Media Influence and Competition

Speaker 1 36:35

The algorithms are based off of casinos. That's what they're based off of. You'll refresh your photo a couple of times, Like we've all done it, bro. I post a photo and I sit there and I refresh it a couple of times. I'm like no one's liking it. That's weird. And then all of a sudden you get like five likes. You go, oh, they hold that shit back. They hold it back to give you trickle drops of dopamine. Oh, that's so fucked. Then you go, oh shit, it's like a slot, it's like a roulette machine. It's a fucking slot machine. You go, oh shit, oh shit, I just got another like.

Speaker 1 37:01

That is ridiculous to think about, man, it's really bad man, and it's even deeper than we even know about.

Speaker 2 37:06

And it's one of those things where it's like I have no problem with, like okay, I made a post earlier today First, like maybe like five, 10 minutes. I had downtime at work. That's all I was doing. I was like, okay, it's like, you know, let me see who's like you know, actively looking at this, and you're always gonna have the people that always support you when you know like your posts and interacting stuff like that. But that is a whole new level of fucked up.

Speaker 1 37:25

It's bad, you know. And then there was another guy. I posted him on my story today. He broke it down, crazy dude. He was basically showing you the if you were to live to 90, he showed the amount of months.

Speaker 2 37:35

I forget what the actual amount was Of like being on your phone, kind of thing.

Speaker 1 37:38

Well, no, no, If you were to live to 90 years old, that's, you know, just being generous like at the statistics.

Speaker 1 37:44

Whatever like the life expectancy is now, I think it's like 80s or something like that, like the lower mid 80s, but anyway, he's like if you were to live to 90, this is how many months you'd have. And he starts taking them away. But this is how many months you'd, this is how much time it would be after you. You know you spent driving and this would be after food. And then he said 18 year olds are on track and expected to waste and be behind the screens 93% of their free time. Like for the, for the amount of time they're left on the air After all the mandatory stuff is done hygiene, cooking, driving, all the regular stuff 93%. It's fucking insane, it's. The statistics are just mind boggling. And we're just. Do you hear my elbow, dude? That's my elbow.

Speaker 2 38:33

I literally it's like I actually like I got wide-eyed, you'll probably get that on there. I was like wait a second, that was your first elbow.

Speaker 1 38:37

It doesn't hurt, it's just loud Even still dude I don't know, I'm gonna have to get new elbows.

Speaker 2 38:40

That's okay. I can be like dear antler or some shit like that.

Speaker 1 38:42

That's cool. Yeah, just give me something. I'm itchy cause I haven't gotten shaved and my little hairs keep poking my nose. So if you guys see me it going like this, I don't have boogies, I just have hairs on my nose, my mustache that's hitting my nose.

Speaker 2 38:55

It's so crazy, though, cause, like you know, like last part, that I'll talk about with that and then we can circle it, cause I know you have stuff that you want to talk about.

Speaker 1 39:00

This is all part of it, it's all part of it, and it's all part of this. We haven't even gotten to that yet.

Speaker 2 39:04

So LeBron James is one of my role models. Right when you, when you're younger, your parents tend to give you people that you can look up to that have the hard work ethic that really just you know they do everything the right way mine, tom Brady, derek Jeter and then we. Basically I made myself a fan of LeBron James, so I've always looked at him but one of the coolest things that I'll always give him credit for Brani, his son, who obviously now is like this huge superstar for USC and coming up in the basketball world, lebron wants to play with him. Yada, yada, yada Didn't get an IG or like anything like that social media related till he was 16.

Speaker 2 39:34

Growing up in this age where it's like okay, obviously LeBron is one of the smartest people in the world, business wise, he understands the longterm. You know like what's really possible with him if he does everything a certain way. But being a 14, 15 year old with like no social media, he's unheard of. Now I can't even remember it's like Instagram wasn't like even really like that big of a thing when we were coming up in high school. I think maybe our junior senior years, when it really started to like actually come up and okay, everybody had one. You were posting kind of thing and it looked like archaic compared to what it is now. But everybody was on Facebook, everybody was on Twitter, instagram, didn't even matter.

Speaker 1 40:11

Nobody was posting photos to Facebook. Instagram started as a photo sharing app, but it wasn't a photo sharing app of girls showing their fucking cleavage and their ass and dudes just being douches. It was, and showing their fucking cleavage too. It was meant for photographers. Honestly, it was really. That's really what it was.

Speaker 2 40:28

It was like visco.

Speaker 1 40:29

Yeah, that's really what it started, as it started as a whole set.

Speaker 2 40:31

Oh wait didn't you entire have the conversation about visco, where it's like what's the point of visco?

Speaker 1 40:35

It was me and no. No, it was me and Greg. Okay. Shout out SupWolf Right.

Speaker 2 40:40

Greg shout out fucking SupWolf. This guy's doing amazing things. I need to try the pink lemonade, by the way.

Speaker 1 40:44

Greg and I and we were talking. I was talking about how I don't understand how girls could have a private Instagram but have their visco in their bio. The selective was what they want you to see. It's the same shit. But even Instagram is the same. But they're posting the same shit on visco. Why are you private?

Speaker 2 41:00

I don't get it Stupid anyway, it drives me nuts. We'll literally be here all night if we start talking about that.

Speaker 1 41:05

Oh, dude, don't get me started. Don't get me started, listen. Right now they're like oh, I don't get it started. So it's just, it's crazy when you start to see the statistics of just what actually goes into it and it's a very tough mindset slash subject for me, because my business is social media. I get paid to create content for social media. Obviously ad work too that has been on TV and published in magazines and whatnot.

Speaker 2 41:35

I still see the ads that you had made with what's the person's name that you did to soccer shoot for Young LA. I still see those commercials popping up man, ricky yeah, you still see Young LA, ricky. I still see those ads and I remember when you were talking to me about that. I remember I had followed him at the time because we were like mutual friends with somebody.

Speaker 1 41:49

It's the homie.

Speaker 2 41:50

And it's still crazy to see those dude.

Speaker 1 41:53

Yeah, it's cool man. That wasn't my favorite shoot, not because of Ricky, it just didn't turn out the way I thought it was going to. But any other videographer, photographer, they'll say the same shit. They'll be like not every shoot is going to be a golden one where you're just like, wow, this is just the most amazing shoot I've ever had. There's going to be some average ones where you just go I should have done this differently, should have did this different. It was a good shoot. It had nothing to do with Ricky, because we had done a shoot for Tier before. Tier was Tier now and it was a similar shoot to that style wise, but the Young LA was after that.

Speaker 2 42:24

And that was before Young LA really popped off.

Speaker 1 42:25

Yeah, the Tier one was. I love that one, that was my favorite. That was my favorite one.

Speaker 2 42:29

It's so crazy because now you have like all these crazy companies that are competing with Jim Shark and Alphalde those were like the two big behemoths and now you have Young LA, you have Jed North, you have all these different companies.

Speaker 1 42:39

So Listen, there's always going to be a lot of competition as a barrier to entries are lower. That's why you see a ton of videographer, photographers, yeah.

Speaker 2 42:48

Everybody moving to Houston because there's opportunity to become content creators and get yourself seen by the most amount of people. With those followings, I have one of my best friends, johnny, who I just saw. Over the weekend he moved to Houston.

Speaker 1 42:59

He does the go stuff. Yeah, I see him on. He pops up on my YouTube a lot. So he is what pops up with his, with his channel, a lot of stuff, Cause I see a lot of the other video and photo creators and I'll shoot him a little like oh good, shit, dude.

Speaker 2 43:09

No, honestly, he makes some really cool stuff, because now he's the personal photographer and videographer for one of my other friends, alex, who's like one of the IFBB pros for ghost Nice, and he's going to be killing it this year too. He's on this big redemption tour and he's going to be coming for heads. So shout out Alex and shout out Johnny, because they also make some really funny stuff, man. And it's so funny because I literally saw them.

Speaker 1 43:27

Creation game is tough.

Speaker 2 43:28

I saw them over the weekend and it's funny because I had both of them right in front of me. I was like, look, I see what you post and I know that that's you, alex, and I know what's you, johnny. And I'm like that was definitely not you. And it's just so funny because, like I see Alex and he's like, okay, bodybuilder, online coach, johnny is the real creative brain. Not to say that Alex isn't creative, because he definitely is. He has his funny stuff, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 2 43:49

But Johnny is just like one of those people where he'll throw you ideas and you'll be like, how are we going to make that work? And he'll just be like, watch me and he'll make the post, and it's like the amount of buzz that this kid gets. But again, circling back to the main point, he moved to Houston. You know, originally from California, left his family, went to Houston and was doing. He was trying to do a lot of stuff with Alpha lead and now he connected with Alex and now he has the liberty to go wherever he wants and do whatever he wants to do. So but now you have so many people that are doing that. The field is so saturated.

Speaker 1 44:20

The barit entry is very low because realistically, they don't have to buy $5,000 lenses like I do. They don't have to. That's an artistic choice. I don't have to buy those lenses. I could save my money, stack my paper and call it a day. But I like to reinvent. I've always been able. You know the ability to reinvest has always been big for me and get new gear that aligns with me.

Speaker 2 44:36

Yeah.

Speaker 1 44:37

I never wanted to have my work look like another videographer's. A lot of guys are cool with just like swagger, jacking each other and jerking each other off and this and that. It's not that I. I didn't want to. You know, progress in a certain style. I wanted my style Right, like the way I do.

Speaker 1 44:49

Everybody has their own and I've gone back to that style now. I've gone back to more storytelling. I've gone back to more of that. That's what got me into this, not the hype, edits and all the fucking jerking off and I can't do that stuff. I don't like it's done too much. And then you got every guy, every videographer posting with the same trending audio and the same style of videos whip pans up the fucking ass, burn transitions left and right and it's like guys, no one's different anymore. Be different. Stop fucking following all these trends. I know because you saw that this dude got 3 million views and this dude got a hundred thousand and this dude got 50 million views and an endorsement deal because of it. Dude, you didn't see the 900,000 other videos that were posted with that audio.

Speaker 2 45:35

That got a view or two views. It's funny because when I was really focusing a lot on the content creating and posting regularly, I was that guy that was looking for the trending audios. And it's so funny because one of the content creators, by the way, I give you guys the most amount of credit out of, like almost every other industry when it comes to this part of what we do you, johnny Kev Chairhouse it's shout out Kev, who's also doing amazing things but he had told me one day you literally should just post what you want to post and you need to enjoy what you post the following and the views and everything else that'll come as you gain your following and as people really start to you know, cross this and take in what you're posting and the meaning behind it and how cool it actually is. So that's something that I've really been living by a lot.

Speaker 1 46:18

Authenticity. That's really what it comes down to. It comes down to authenticity.

Speaker 2 46:21

It's like, yeah, authenticity remains undefeated. That was like one of the biggest things that they've stressed since day one.

Technology Comparison

Speaker 1 46:27

You may get the views, you may not, but the whole thing is, and the whole point of it is you're doing this for a reason, so do it the same thing with the podcast. The podcast is growing. It's growing slow, it takes time. Do I want to be Joe Rogan right now? Without question Would I love to have a hundred million dollar deer from Spotify and just do this for work, without question.

Speaker 2 46:43

People are going to be waking up in the morning playing you.

Speaker 1 46:45

I appreciate that. I mean, listen, I'm blessed that I have people that tag me and their friends and people that I don't know, like people that just want to support because they see me just doing it, and they follow the journey from now. They weren't there for the episode one. Oh God, I remember that, but you know what I'm saying. Like episode one on Rizology, but there's also episode one on the Voice and Rizzles. There's also episode one on Rizology.

Speaker 2 47:05

Yeah, we do, John, right yeah.

Speaker 1 47:07

Dude John and I had like 70 something episodes. Tyler and I had 11 episodes. This is episode 89 of Rizology 89. So this is what I'm saying, man.

Speaker 2 47:13

Great number.

Speaker 1 47:14

Great number. So that's what I'm saying, dude. It's like the journey you just got to do what the fuck you want to do. Like I'm not, I don't allow these algorithms to bend me over a barrel and tell me what to do anymore.

Speaker 2 47:24

Don't let me.

Speaker 1 47:25

I'm not doing it anymore Like they're going to trickle feed likes to you. They're going to keep you addicted. These things are going to do what they're designed to do, and you know, one of the interesting things that one of the guys I was listening to spoke about was what do you value your time? At $20 an hour, which I don't. I value mine a lot higher than that. I know you do as well. Oh yeah, so it's like, let's say, let's say it's $100 an hour.

Speaker 1 47:47

Right $100 an hour. Okay, how many hours are you spending doom scrolling on TikTok or Instagram? Wait, it gets when you start adding it up. How many hours are you doom scrolling on TikTok, generously? Just give me a. Just give me a figure. This isn't a judgment on you, this is just in general. What do you think?

Speaker 2 48:03

Call it an hour Just an hour.

Speaker 1 48:05

That's a lie, dude Come on Hour of doom scrolling.

Speaker 2 48:07

Use easy numbers for everybody else, so that way you can kind of like drive your. Okay, let's do two.

Speaker 1 48:11

Two hours, two hours, all right. So let's say, two hours times 30, 30 days in a month, right Times 100. And then you're spending $6,000 to use an app that's quote unquote free.

Speaker 2 48:26

That is horrifying to actually see and realize.

Speaker 1 48:29

Two hours.

Speaker 2 48:30

Yeah, that's low, which, by the way, I am not big on TikTok. I'm going to be fully transparent on this. Okay, anything it does not matter.

Speaker 1 48:37

Any social site, it does not matter. All right, fine, too. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 48:40

So think about it, which might even still be a little low.

Speaker 1 48:44

And you and I definitely value our time at higher than $100.

Speaker 1 48:46

So let's just put it there yeah, so you're spending all your free time, or at least two hours of it, which is a lot. Think about people that say constantly I don't have enough time to go to the gym. Duh, two hours. Yeah, you go to OG for an hour and you got a fucking killer workout in. I go to Jiu Jitsu right after I get another fucking killer workout in. That's two hours done. Double killer workouts. I'm toast. I worked out, I've expended all of my energy, and that was the time that I was just sitting on the couch doing nothing.

Speaker 1 49:14

It's so funny Not gaining anything Like maybe you gain some knowledge, but generally it's a lot of just bullshit.

Speaker 2 49:20

It's just like entertaining you. It's a lot of sensationalism.

Speaker 1 49:22

It's a lot of politics. It's a lot of this.

Speaker 2 49:25

Anything instant gratification in the moment.

Speaker 1 49:27

Anything that's going to get you riled up, and that's what they want.

Speaker 2 49:29

They keep you on it.

Speaker 1 49:30

You want to stay on the app? Right, they don't want you leaving. They don't want you to leave. That's why, if you don't turn the fucking certain notifications off, you get hey, your friend just posted this or this or blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 49:40

And then you start, oh, I really want an air fryer. And then they start showing you reviews of air fryers. They are always listening, they are smart devices, they know what they're doing and they're trickle feeding the morphine to the junkies. That's what's going on, and it's fucking insane when you start looking at it from a high perspective. So let me get on this real quick, because I know we keep deviating. So my thought process has been I used to work at Apple a long time ago. I used to work at Apple. I've always been an Apple fan.

Speaker 2 50:08

I've always been an iPhone guy. I really have.

Speaker 1 50:10

And I left Apple in 2013,. I left for a year and then I came back to them after I graduated college. I bought an Android phone. I bought a Samsung Galaxy S5. And let me tell you, I love that phone.

Speaker 2 50:26

That phone was so awesome. You and your green fucking messages. You're one of those people. This is before green bubbles. This is like right on. This is before green bubbles 2013, 2012,.

Speaker 1 50:33

They had not. They High messaging wasn't a thing yet. I don't think they started it yet. I think it was like 2014 that started becoming real like a big thing.

Speaker 2 50:40

There is one person that I actually still somewhat talk to on a regular basis that has an Android or a Samsung or whatever the hell it is, but it comes through. Green still triggers me.

Speaker 1 50:48

And you know what? This is only a US problem. They don't have this problem internationally. You look at reviews or comments of videos of people internationally that hear the green versus blue bubble thing. They go what the fuck are you guys talking about? We don't even use iMessage overseas. We use WhatsApp.

Speaker 2 51:02

Yeah, I forgot about that too. They use.

Speaker 1 51:04

WhatsApp. They use Telegram, they don't use iMessage, so it's primarily a US thing, I think for me, more so it's interrupting for me is the lack of FaceTime, because I do FaceTime a lot and I FaceTime audio a lot, so I missed my Android phone. Truthfully, there's more customization, the keyboard is better. It's more enjoyable to type on that.

Speaker 2 51:24

On this.

Speaker 1 51:25

I'll let you do it too.

Speaker 2 51:26

It's way more enjoyable to type Not for nothing, by the way. This is giving you old school like we're like 35 or 40 years old.

Speaker 1 51:32

I had that on my belt all day today.

Speaker 2 51:35

I saw you as we walked up here and I just didn't say anything.

Speaker 1 51:38

I was like wait a second.

Speaker 2 51:39

You're like a 50 or 55 year old uncle going to some sort of family party, yeah, where it's like, yeah, you have the beeper on your belt, kind of thing, and it's like, yeah, he's just like unclipping it. He tries to be slick, do you stop?

Speaker 1 51:50

That's awesome. It's awesome, it doesn't take much for you nowadays, huh. No, it doesn't take much to make me happy. I mostly just go to Jiu Jitsu, I go to OG and I work on videos and that's pretty much it. So I wanted I've missed my Android phone. There's a lot of things that Android does, especially the always on display and the under screen. A thumbprint scanner is fucking the angster. So there you go, phone's unlocked. You can customize the phone any way you want. I mean it's a much snappier experience than I.

Speaker 2 52:19

Right, it's really responsive.

Speaker 1 52:20

It really is responsive. They also do notifications much better as well, because I can look at notifications and answer them right here. Oh, okay, as opposed to having to do it all through there.

Speaker 2 52:28

It's funny because it's a lot of benefits. It looks so similar to this in some ways, though.

Speaker 1 52:32

It does.

Speaker 2 52:33

I mean I'm visually looking at that for the five seconds that I've been looking at it, it looks somewhat normal it does.

Speaker 1 52:39

I mean, if you scroll, I mean you probably don't even know where to go on that thing. Honestly, I wouldn't have If you swipe up from the bottom, you can get your apps, that's the apps Okay. I mean, there's a lot of things that it does Like anything else, though it's like.

Speaker 1 52:50

Cool thing is it also has a permanent back button for everything. So every app that's the back button. So every app has a universal back button. Instead of like do I swipe on this one, do I hit the top? Like there's no uniformity for that on iOS.

Speaker 2 53:00

Right. I feel like anything else where it's like it took me so long even just to get used to like the official ID. I had the phone that you still use, the thumb print for yeah, I saw it, I had, oh, my God Don't.

Speaker 1 53:10

Okay, we did the shoot on the bridge, remember in Rosalind we did a shoot on the bridge.

Speaker 2 53:13

I'm going to get so much shit for this, but I love the mini.

Speaker 1 53:16

That was gangster bro.

Speaker 2 53:17

I love the mini until I got shat on it royally.

Speaker 1 53:22

And you're allowed people to tell you how to feel and do, but at the same time it's like okay, literally.

Speaker 2 53:26

So okay, quick story, because I don't want to keep. You know, we keep getting off topic that's.

Speaker 1 53:30

that's the podcast. I don't care.

Speaker 2 53:32

But at the same time. So I was on like one of like my first coach ghost trips ever. I signed with the company in it's coming up on three years, which is fucking insane September of 2021. I they signed me on my birthday, which is also a really cool detail. So shout out to Mario and the whole team. We went to a ghost event. It was at Alpha land. It was in Houston. We're all going to the team dinners. I have no idea. I really don't know anybody yet. I know who everybody is.

Speaker 2 53:54

Just because you connect with people on social media, you want to have an idea of who you're going to be with when you go to these trips and like what they're about, kind of thing. We're all at dinner and one of the other girls, britt, who is like up in the company of ghosts as well, she does like other things. She's not just like an athlete or anything like that, even though she has a big following herself. We're all seeing it dinner and I'm, like you know, typing on my phone, whatever. She's like silly because everybody will call me like silly because of my IG name when I go on these trips. Like is that your phone? I was like, yeah, she's like, literally, she puts my phone down and she puts her phone. This actually works out perfectly. So like, look how much bigger the Android is compared to the iPhone.

Speaker 1 54:26

Yeah, but you know what?

Speaker 2 54:28

It's literally just like. How does it feel I'm like I need to get rid of this fucking phone?

Speaker 1 54:32

Well, look, it's the same, as that's the 15 Pro Max. And then they're basically the same.

Speaker 2 54:36

But now it's like all these are like somewhat closely related to the size. I had a mini compared to her phone, which was like the Max or whatever the hell it was at the time, and she literally was just like how does it feel? And I was like I don't know, but I don't feel good, I don't feel confident about this. So now there's a running joke between me, her and Mario where, oh, it's like, you know, it's like how's the iPhone mini? If I ever take like a photo or a video where it's like potato quality, it's like, oh yeah, you switch back to the mini. I'm like, just leave me alone.

Speaker 1 55:03

I'll tell you what, man. I was nervous about the cameras, because the cameras they took a lot of shit. About Android cameras, because they're either hit or miss. I thought they were better.

Speaker 2 55:10

Well, the Samsung's are the ones that are really good.

Speaker 1 55:12

This is the Samsung, so I'll tell you what, man, I have found that it gives me much more realistic photos than my iPhone. Realistic, so, like the colors are more natural, okay, like when you look. That's what my apartment looks like. That's exactly what it looks like.

Speaker 2 55:25

I'm looking pup. That's the homie right there, the most photogenic dog.

Speaker 1 55:28

I swear.

Speaker 2 55:29

Outside of my dog Kobe. I'm always going to be biased.

Speaker 1 55:32

But I have to be, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 55:33

It's like literally. I'm surprised that he hasn't made my wallpaper yet.

Speaker 1 55:36

That's your baby, man.

Speaker 2 55:37

Those photos that I posted of him legitimately get like the most reaction out of anything Like our video that we had dated a couple of years ago for like one of my preps and one of the ghost projects that got a lot of buzz. That was fun. Kobe super sees that and how much time and money did we put into that. I don't even want to get into it.

Speaker 1 55:51

Yeah, my simple picture of a dog. I bet people start telling me to do him the ASMR with him eating on camera Because he eats raw. I thought yeah.

Speaker 2 55:59

I was like, ah, Carl does that with his dog too. It's like he'll literally put duck heads into the bowl and he's done like timer things lately where it's like, okay, you know, football's over, so we all have to bet on something. Sorry to all the girls that you know, now I'm giving your guys more reasons to bet and we got to replace football somehow right.

Speaker 1 56:13

How long is he going to take him to eat the bowl?

Managing Work-Life Balance With Two Phones

Speaker 2 56:15

Yeah, literally it's like okay, it's like sup, 30 seconds, between 30 seconds and two minutes, over two minutes, and it was actually so funny because I was like this is actually kind of this is kind of cool, it's actually different. But it's Storm who, for everybody that doesn't know Storm, you actually even has his own Instagram. He's a kind of Corso. Right, he's a huge ass King Corso. Yeah, literally it's funny because, like the same way that Ty has grown up with Kenji, I have grown up with Storm and I literally will bully this dog. People will come up to this dog and be like scared, shitless. I'm like, okay, storm, like I will like shove this dog, I will like pick him up by his hind legs, I'll do whatever I want for the dog and I don't have to worry about it.

Speaker 1 56:46

So part of the pack man. Yeah, that was dude. So the Corso's are the one of. The only other dogs is a shorter list that have a stronger bite than Akitas. Oh shit, yeah. So Connie Corso's, the Turkish Kangol, that crazy mountain dog, yeah.

Speaker 2 57:03

There's one of them Fucking lions. There's one of those in my building Crazy, it's literally like just the biggest goofball.

Speaker 1 57:08

Yeah, connie Corso's are dope man. I was looking at them before I got Nikita and I just you know it looked like a giant version of my last dog. So I said you know what I want the. Akita yeah, and he's been. He's been great man. I don't know if he's gonna stress me the fuck out, but he's been amazing Because he's your kid.

Speaker 2 57:20

He is my kid.

Speaker 1 57:23

So my thought process on this has been because everyone's got that number back to the phones, right?

Speaker 2 57:31

For the fifth fucking time, that's okay.

Speaker 1 57:32

That's what it is, man, I don't fight it.

Speaker 2 57:35

I accept it. I think it's gonna be good for you. I think you're honestly gonna like it.

Speaker 1 57:38

I don't know if I'm gonna return it or not yet because I'm. This is what I'm battling with. I'm battling with the bringing two phones with me because everyone's got that number, and all day, bro, it's nonstop. People ask me for advice on Instagram, people hitting me up, companies.

Speaker 2 57:53

Availability.

Speaker 1 57:55

Just it's a lot man and not that. I didn't think it was gonna be like this when I started my company, because obviously you're an entrepreneur. But there really is no balance because even if I put this on, do not disturb the issue is there's no profiles, Like Android has profiles, so you can have a work profile and a personal profile.

Speaker 2 58:11

I didn't think about that.

Speaker 1 58:12

So every time you put your personal profile off, all the business apps shut off and you don't get any notifications and they don't even pop up.

Speaker 2 58:18

If you want. One of the things that you could do, though, is so, for your Apple phone, you can set certain times that, if you really want to still be connected to that and you have only this on you, you forward the calls from this number to this number, and then all you gotta do is shut it off when you're done. So, like in the morning, say, you're working from your house, as an example, and all you need to do is, okay, you activate that phone and you could still be on that one, but, god forbid. You know that somebody's gonna call and you are like, okay, it's kind of done for the day, like maybe seven, eight o'clock. You put on the forwarding until that's done, and you can still only have to carry this phone.

Speaker 1 58:45

Yeah, I mean listen.

Speaker 2 58:46

They'll only still have that number. I do that for work too, because I'm remote sometimes.

Speaker 1 58:50

There's a lot of benefits to doing stuff like that, and I think you know. The big thing for me is there's no social media on this. The only thing that's on this.

Speaker 2 58:56

Give it that way.

Speaker 1 58:56

That's exactly why the only thing that's on this is Reddit, because I like All things. Yeah, I like viewing the forums. There's, there's, oh fuck, yeah, dude, I was never a big Reddit guy.

Speaker 2 59:07

I love Reddit.

Speaker 1 59:08

Don't get involved with it because you will dive down a crazy rabbit hole, because there's a phone.

Speaker 2 59:11

That's another hour of screen time a day that I don't need Dude.

Speaker 1 59:13

there is a forum for everything.

Speaker 2 59:15

I don't, I don't need it, nope.

Speaker 1 59:16

And truthfully I like it because there's a cinematography forum, there's Android forums and stuff like that. So you learn and there's, there's. You know people have issues with a phone or people have issues with XYZ, and you know, you learn about things and it's a way for people to connect and ask questions from one another. That's why I like it.

Speaker 2 59:30

Okay.

Speaker 1 59:30

So that's the only piece of social media, If you want to consider it that, because it is, that's the only piece of social media that's on here. Other than that, the only person that has this number is my mom right now. So the issue is she was talking to me before. She's like I don't know if this is a good thing in it, because I don't know what to call you on. Call you on this, call you on that, you FaceTime on this? You don't get on FaceTime on that. Listen to that. But then, at the same time, when I went to Jiu Jitsu before it's nice that I just bring this in if I need to make a call.

Speaker 2 59:55

Right, and you're done.

Speaker 1 59:55

Make a call. My issue is and maybe you're the same way, even though I may put it on, do not disturb and I may not get the notification per se. If I swipe down, the notifications are still there and if I see it, oh, it'll be like under this gray, do not disturb thing.

Speaker 2 1:00:17

If I see it, I'm gonna click on it.

Speaker 1 1:00:19

And then that's it. Once I'm thinking about it from like reading a message from a client or something that I have to do, or it's on my mind, there's nothing that I can do to get it out of my mind. So now it defeated the purpose. But if this phone is gone for the rest of the night and I just have this and I'm able to be on my phone but message the people that I need to message, go to the sites I need to go to and not, there's no work email, there's no work calendar on here. It's just me. My thought process is that's good, right, but at what cost?

Speaker 1 1:00:56

now I see what you're saying $50 a month for the price of the phone because I financed it because of Best Buy, no interest whatever.

Speaker 2 1:01:03

But then it's also you have the guarantee, like, okay, you have that policy where you can return it if you don't really like it in 30 days, or something like that.

Speaker 1 1:01:08

Yeah, I think I have like 15 days. So I just I've only had it for a couple of days. So I'm deciding and I have Google Fi service, because Google Fi is like 50 or 60 bucks a month and it basically hijacks T-Mobile cell. I gotta be honest with you. It's been great, it's been spot on.

Speaker 1 1:01:23

So I don't know, I'm still 50-50 on it yeah, I think I really just want to have a balance of I want to be go, go, go, nick, and I want to be entrepreneur, nick, and I want to be accessible to everybody and have my brain in the right place, but at the cost of what's going on now. It's too much. I get too many messages all fucking day and all night that it just it drains you on top of everything else that you have to do in a day.

Speaker 2 1:01:48

Yeah, I don't think and look, truth be told, I think that this is going to work for you just because I know you and I know how much shit you deal with on a regular basis, how many people you're probably like one of the most social people that I know in regards to how many touch points you make in a day but for me it's like okay, it's like like I said, I have my work phone that's forwarded to this right. The biggest thing is that I have actually been using do not disturb more than I have ever been using it and it's actually been working. But also the do not disturb, you can pick who you would want to still be able to send message my mom.

Speaker 1 1:02:16

my mom comes through right now.

Speaker 2 1:02:17

My mom's the only one that comes through, the only person that the messages will go through right now Pop that. Pop Dukes, not even him. No, it's really no.

Speaker 1 1:02:23

Sorry dad, fuck off Damn son Fucking dad, just got kicked out. No, because it comes to like okay, wait, somebody rewind the tape. My dad's my best friend. Fuck you, dad. I invited you through my do not disturb.

Speaker 2 1:02:35

So the only person that the messages will go through.

Speaker 1 1:02:37

That is technically work, so yeah, dad is work where.

Speaker 2 1:02:39

It's like okay, it's like he knows that like.

Speaker 1 1:02:41

Sorry I keep cutting you off, but dad is technically work so I got it.

Phone Usage and Work-Life Balance

Speaker 2 1:02:43

So it'll pop up, but the only person's notifications who go through for me right now, or Liz's, Shout out Alyssa, what up? Chill out beast mode. Love this girl.

Speaker 1 1:02:52

Honestly, let me, let me, let me, let me catch up with the lats. It's crazy. I'm trying to get, I'm trying to get that turtle shell.

Speaker 2 1:02:58

Dude, weighted pull ups, got it. Yeah Insane, yeah crazy. We're going to try to get her sponsored by Jim Shark. I'm going to become her agent.

Speaker 1 1:03:04

I got to use it for a rain shoot That'd be cool, honestly, dude.

Speaker 2 1:03:07

Yeah, one of the most, like you know, like model S girls you could find.

Speaker 1 1:03:10

I'm not just saying that I'll use it for a storm shoot or something. Yeah, that'd be cool. Yeah, because she's not I'm always looking for people that want to do shit. There you go.

Speaker 2 1:03:18

Yeah, that'd be her notifications are the only ones that go through. But also she knows what I go through on a daily basis. She knows what my days look like and it has been so nice to just have like okay, I throw it on Juneteer. If she really needs me, she'll call me or she'll text me and she'll be like hey, like I need you right now.

Speaker 1 1:03:33

She's also a business professional, oh no, so that's that's also good that she aligns with you in that sense too.

Speaker 2 1:03:38

She totally gets it. It's one of those things to where it's like when you talk to somebody, you try to see where you're similar and where, okay, what, maybe like the hurdles are going to be, just like you know when you talk to anybody. But from her and I we've been so similar because she's also go, go, go as well there's days where it's like I might not hear from her until five o'clock, not because she's ignoring me, but because she has so many things that she's doing. She runs her own team, she's like a legit boss at her job, so, but she also knows and it's also the same thing for me where it's like do not disturb, but like my notifications will go through. Hey, I need you. Okay, what's up? Like talk to me. Okay, I got to go back to doing this now. So that's honestly been like the biggest feature for me.

Speaker 2 1:04:16

Yeah, and it's been working out so well, especially with the studying now, because now I'm going to be diving into even more certifications after this one that I have coming up, and it's been the biggest game. My screen time has gone down so much, like my friends have been saying oh, like I, I bet, honestly, I haven't looked at it in a couple of days. It probably is even less because I was away and I was at the ghost event. So but point being is, because I've been studying so much and I've had my phone on do not disturb it's. I feel like a dick too, because on social media there's a lot of people that'll ask me about ghosts and they'll do this to do that. They it's like they know that I can reach Joe. If I message him on like IG, they'll DM me and I won't answer the DMs until like a day or two days later. I'll be like whoops, sorry, happens man.

Speaker 1 1:04:57

Honestly, I, it's like I feel, I feel bad, but I also don't, but at the same time, like in your perspective, it's not, that's not your moneymaker. You know what I'm saying? Like that's not your main job. Your main job is your wealth management and all that stuff. So you can't neglect those clients when you're, when you're when it's a nine to five, you know, or whatever your hours are, why is it not popping up right now? Screen time? Don't fucking lie to me. I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 1:05:19

How many?

Speaker 1 1:05:19

pickups do you have? That's what I want to know. My pickups are crazy. How do you even go to it? So I have slide down.

Speaker 2 1:05:25

Let me see what. What is this? I literally just clicked on screen time.

Speaker 1 1:05:28

No, it's not how you do it, Joseph.

Speaker 2 1:05:31

This is why I'm talking to the former.

Speaker 1 1:05:33

Apple expert Accessibility. What are we doing in there? What do you got Hearing aid? No, shout out, beethoven. That's my boy. I wish, I wish I, beethoven, got a shout out on this podcast when the fuck have we gone, man? That's my boy, tommy. That was on a couple of episodes ago. His nickname is Beethoven grapples, because he's a he's a deaf, he's he's got a hearing impairment, he's deaf and he fights.

Speaker 2 1:05:53

Did he get like knocked upside the head and now he can't hear out of the ear?

Speaker 1 1:05:55

No, he just, he was born that way. Oh you jerk.

Speaker 2 1:06:00

Sorry, Beethoven.

Speaker 1 1:06:01

I'm sorry, beethoven, whoops, great name, wow. Daily average You're up 6% from last week, 7% from last week, almost seven hours of of a daily average time Seven hours, which is crazy, cause I feel like I've been on it so much less.

Speaker 2 1:06:16

But also that's for the week. You gotta keep it relative because I use it for work, though, like I'm always on my phone for work.

Speaker 1 1:06:20

Holy shit, joe, how long do you think you've been on Instagram today?

Speaker 2 1:06:25

Cause I told you how many times was I scrolling when I had the down time and I'm like, okay, like who's liking, who's liking, who's liking, Go ahead. Bless it.

Speaker 1 1:06:33

Two and a half hours? Yeah, okay, then you were on YouTube for an hour and a half. Do you pay for premium?

Speaker 2 1:06:38

No.

Speaker 1 1:06:38

Okay, so then that means you were sitting there with the screen open too, you're fucking wild.

Speaker 2 1:06:42

I'm literally just like a money machine for these ads At this point. Pick up Also when I'm driving.

Speaker 1 1:06:46

You've had 145 pickups from your phone.

Speaker 2 1:06:49

Pickups. What do you mean Meaning?

Speaker 1 1:06:50

you picked it up and oh.

Speaker 2 1:06:52

Mmm, and your first pick up, that was a metric.

Speaker 1 1:06:54

Your first pick up was 530 in the morning.

Speaker 2 1:06:56

Yeah, Because, well, I got up to work up this morning. It's like my alarm clock, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:07:00

That's wild man.

Speaker 2 1:07:01

So, relatively speaking, it's like okay, you got to keep in mind I use this for work too. Like, okay, the calls are forwarded to this phone and I always have my AirPods on because I'm hands-free at work, so let's get on your AirPods.

Speaker 1 1:07:10

Have you seen this shit with how much radiation they emit? I didn't even think about that. Yeah, please get rid of those. Just get either wired or over. I mean it's still wireless, but over ear. So it's not All like the beats. It's not connecting through the soft tissue of your brain.

Speaker 2 1:07:24

I didn't think about that, okay, but I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 1:07:27

I mean listen, I'm no saint today either, and I've really been Great because I live off of my AirPods at work.

Speaker 2 1:07:32

I've only okay, so I've only been on.

Speaker 1 1:07:33

Instagram for an hour today, which, honestly, maybe 40, 30 minutes of it was me finding music For a video.

Speaker 2 1:07:42

It was like you made a post, kind of thing, or I didn't even see what you posted today.

Speaker 1 1:07:44

I mean, look, that's, those are my numbers for today. Look how low. I mean that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 1:07:49

Unreal.

Speaker 1 1:07:50

Yeah, that's pretty good. And then maps. I was, I was navigating out to a gap, and then I'm also messages. I was on messages for an hour, yeah.

Speaker 2 1:07:59

I'm also that person, though, where it's like I'll listen to YouTube videos, whether it's, like you know, espn, or I'll just be like listening to like news highlights and stuff like that while I'm driving to. So that definitely doesn't help either, yeah, but.

Speaker 1 1:08:11

My first. My first pick was at 544.

Speaker 2 1:08:13

AM Would have been early. If he came to OG this morning, it would have been, but I had.

Speaker 1 1:08:17

I couldn't get in. Did they put out the next schedule already they did. They did so fucked. I had another month of just getting fucked.

Speaker 2 1:08:24

Do I need like literally there's. So it's like a thing where it's like my friends and I will all let us each other know when the schedule drops. Tyler never lets me know. He's a dick, okay, so now it's like because I let other people know, I'll let you know.

Speaker 1 1:08:33

Just let me know Okay.

Speaker 2 1:08:34

So see you later. Yes.

Morning Routine and Creative Style

Speaker 1 1:08:36

Cause I'm going to be locked out of all the 615 glasses now and it's just gonna be either Asia or all the people that triple book, yeah for sure. And then the 845 class is just fucking weird. The people in the 10 class I'm good on, I'm just like it's not. I don't vibe, I'm five with the people in 10 class. I look around, I go. Who are these people?

Speaker 2 1:08:52

I just want, I don't want to be there so late. I don't want to be at the gym until 11 o'clock or it's like, especially, like you know, maybe a quarter after 11, if you're trying to like catch up with people you haven't seen, like Sunday morning, I skedaddle out, you're out.

Speaker 1 1:09:04

I'm out, man, I'm out, unless you asked me to take, unless I drag you to take a photo.

Speaker 2 1:09:07

Yeah, out, dude, dude prep. I was like every single time I saw you, dude, progress, picture time we're good, I'm out, man, I just jump in the car.

Speaker 1 1:09:14

It's tough because 645, the 615, if I'm not out the door by 715, 720, it takes me 40 minutes to get home.

Speaker 2 1:09:25

Didn't think about that, because you're also, it's like-.

Speaker 1 1:09:27

And then he needs his pill at 8am.

Speaker 2 1:09:29

Oh.

Speaker 1 1:09:29

So it's like I gotta get home right at right there, and then he wants to get walked and I'm just like, oh my.

Speaker 2 1:09:33

God Right, I'm like that one person that's blessed because I live legitimately two seconds away from the gym, so it's like I'll wake up at 545 and I'm there at 615, kind of thing that's nice.

Speaker 1 1:09:41

I would like to do some 730am classes, but I don't even know who goes to the 730. I've never done one, because he needs his pill at 8.

Speaker 2 1:09:46

It's one of those things, though, but it's like, you know, if I'm going into the office and I'm the one that with the key that's opening the door, kind of thing, I need to be pretty, I need to be there at 830 or 820.

Speaker 1 1:09:55

And where's the office again?

Speaker 2 1:09:56

It's in claim view oh, that's right, for me, it's not too far away. But at the same time it's like okay, it's like I definitely don't lull a gag as much, especially on the days where it's like, okay, I know, I need to go in, get my shit done and then I need to go to a meeting, kind of thing. Like if I'm going into the city, okay, taking care of stuff in the office and then bouncing kind of thing, but I still need to open up and make sure that everything is set when the rest of the staff comes in, kind of thing.

Speaker 1 1:10:14

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:10:14

Well, because you know, sometimes it'll be my dad, it'll be one of the other guys that I work with, or sometimes it's me, but one of those you know either which way you got to be out. No, it's the wind, because this place is supposed to be so brand new. Nick and the. Was that the wind? The window is literally jumping because of the wind, Was it really? Yeah, it's been doing that this whole time. I just haven't told you. I'm not trying to shit on your new place, because this place is fantastic. Damn, that was the wind. We're talking off air about how great this place is. I appreciate you man.

Speaker 2 1:10:40

And if you didn't see what Nick's place looked like before this one, I am so happy to be able to say that I've seen the glow up.

Speaker 1 1:10:46

Eh, eh, oh, my God man.

Speaker 2 1:10:47

Literally like walking through it was like a minefield. You have like these big ass lantern lights and you can only condense things. So much Stuff when it's like okay, it's like I literally would come into your office like say, like you were helping me out with like music for a show or we were like editing a shot kind of thing, and I needed you for like five minutes. I walk in, I sit at that chair, I didn't move because, god forbid, I made one wrong move. It could knock one thing over and it's like a domino effect in that office.

Speaker 1 1:11:10

Yeah, or like I was just scared that was going to call like $3,000 a day. So just think about that. This is the same table in the room, yeah.

Speaker 2 1:11:16

Yeah, like $1,000 here, $1,000 there, $1,000 there. Fuck the rain.

Speaker 1 1:11:22

Dude, it's yeah, it's a couple of scottles of just accumulation over the years. Hey, earned it. Yeah, man, you know what. You buy things you like and fuck it, man, we could all die tomorrow. So you got to have fun, you got to buy things that you enjoy, and I think that's the same thing with all the video stuff too. You got to. You got to purchase things that not only help you craft the vision that you have for the style of videos that you want to do, that's why I bought those lenses. Now, those lenses I just they have that. So that's actually what I was telling you about before we cut the cameras on. Those lenses are normally $15,000 each. Those lenses they take the, but they took the glass out of the $15,000 lenses and put them in smaller form factors for people that run mirrorless cameras like me.

Speaker 1 1:12:04

So, that's why. So they basically rehoused the glass. So that's why those cook lenses are very synonymous, for that the cook look Right cook, look yeah. So I do, I fucking I love those lenses. But listen, it's another thing that you have to get good at. They're all manual. There's no autofocus on them. You got to be okay with pulling focus and understanding your focus. Your focus throws on how shallow the depth of field is with the aperture and what.

Speaker 2 1:12:25

But when you know how to use those and you're good at it, you are fucking. You're on the money with it, you know and you watch something and you'll see something and you'll just know that that's like you. Yeah, but even without like your wet mark on the bottom of the picture sometimes you could just see that and know that that's a nickshot, Like when you're a post-entaler and you're doing all your shoots with him or Aiden or anybody you can tell that it's you.

Speaker 1 1:12:42

And that's what I want to do, man, that's that's. That's really what I want. I want, I. It's tough to and any creatives that are listening to this, I'm sure we've you've all had the same thought process. It's it's very tough when you see all the viral shit that goes on and and to not want to copy everybody, because that's what we were saying before. It's like have your own style. But then you see this person post and they're just like everyone's jerking them off in the comments and you just go okay, well, maybe I'll try to shoot that same way too. It's like you got to have your own fucking flow. You got to have your own style, maybe.

Speaker 2 1:13:10

I can confidently say, by the way, that I have never done that for you. Like I'll like your stuff, but if I comment on your thing, that's how you know that like I really am fucking with what you just posted, where it was like like whether it was like a snippet from like the podcast or it was something that you just posted, even with, like you know, you getting the phone, I was huge on that. I was liking it. I was like like like saying, fuck, yeah, dude, like I was like genuinely invested in, like I really loved what you were doing.

Speaker 1 1:13:30

That's also because you're. That's also because you're a real one man You're just you're, just you're. You're. What did Tyler and I call you? You're just a golden retriever. He's just a happy ass dude, fucking guy. We go. What kind of dog would you be? He looks at us dead in the face. He goes. He goes. What are you? Dopamine pinch here Like you're. You're a fucking golden retriever, joe. I'm just.

Speaker 2 1:13:46

I'm just a happy, go lucky guy man.

Speaker 1 1:13:47

It's like you're not a German, angry fucking dog, I could never be like that. You're like hey man, let's hang out.

Speaker 2 1:13:55

Even my college friends. There was this thing that was going around for a couple of years, aside from me having 99 million nicknames because nobody knew how to pronounce my fucking last name and if you're listening to this, you know exactly who you are when I'm saying that. But anyways, everyone knows it's chili birdie. Everybody's like, oh yeah, cabibliari or some shit like that. And I literally went from cabibliari to cabibs. I drove, I drove a Dodge caliber turned into the cabibliar. Wow yeah, that's one of my own. Oh my God, yeah, it literally was like you know, my friend, that I'm talking about Ed. He was one of the more creative ones, so it's like you know, just all the glory to him. But anyways, um, get sidetracked.

Speaker 2 1:14:30

Where'd the bird come from? Silly bird, oh my God, man. It was one of those things where Just a silly bird, it was a silly birdie. So it was like almost like a playoff by last name. And it was one of those things that I, somebody in high school, had said like you know, like silly bird, tricks are for kids, kind of thing, like playoff of. Like you know, like the tricks bunny, kind of thing. And I was like, okay, you know what, if that's going to become a thing. I'm just going to roll with it. Yeah, and it was one of those things where, you know, rob, it was one of those things where he would call me you know birds or silly bird kind of thing, and I just use that as my handle and now it's just literally taken on life. If it's on man, it was.

Speaker 1 1:15:00

Nick Rizzles bro.

Speaker 2 1:15:01

Dude Rizzles, silly bird.

Speaker 1 1:15:03

Nick Rizzles. Bro, I just got called at a party, yeah, but he was just like yo, Nick Nick, Nicky, Nicky Rizzles, and I was like what the fuck was that?

Speaker 2 1:15:09

All of the best nicknames are the ones that you don't create yourself. It's like the Big Bang episode where Howard the astronaut it's like, oh, it's like okay, he's like, yeah, he wanted to be called Rocket man, but then he gets called Fruit Loops.

Speaker 1 1:15:19

Oh, that was the fucking win.

Speaker 2 1:15:21

Yeah, Goddamn bro, why would I lie to you I?

Speaker 1 1:15:23

don't think you were lying.

Speaker 2 1:15:24

We're live on air. I'm not fucking lying to anybody right now. This is full transparency. Oh, I don't know if it was that big. Oh, dude it. Literally it's like I'll get to the point where, like, the window is just going to shatter and then we're going to have to pause the podcast.

Speaker 1 1:15:35

I never paused the podcast. Actually, I turned the cameras around. No click, I turned. No, we're not going to clip this shit. I don't, this is real bro. We don't play this shit. I would turn the-.

Speaker 2 1:15:43

The thing we're not shy about, what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 1:15:44

Hell. No, I would turn the cameras around, I'd jack the gain up and I'd have us cleaning it up. That'd be part two of the episode. I'd release it as a second series.

Speaker 2 1:15:51

Just like the wireless ones.

Speaker 1 1:15:52

I did us French made outfits too. I'd be like I'd order them from Amazon.

Speaker 2 1:15:55

I'd be like come back tomorrow, all right, I got to bring you down the earth a little bit now. No, I'm not doing that.

Speaker 1 1:16:00

You're going to do a French made outfit with me. No we would look gory too. I love you, but no, I have to have some sort of a line here when this episode is done and we cut this, he's going to look at me like all right, when you ordered the French made outfit.

Speaker 2 1:16:12

I'm waiting for the Photoshop, because if you don't do it, one of my other friends is fucking listening.

Speaker 1 1:16:15

He's going to put me on the French made outfit.

Speaker 2 1:16:16

Ghost guy, get it. It's not even them, it's my fucking head. Rob, Tom and Carl, we are like the kings of Photoshop, that's right. They do put your face on. Oh my God, dude, my face is on everything. They made the photo that I posted of me doing the bear crawl from OG. That sticker is literally going to come with me to my grave. It literally was like fucking Rob posted me doing a high rocks. It literally was like people oh my, we were dying. They actually think that you were there.

Speaker 1 1:16:38

People thought that I could be in a high rocks and I'm posting that I'm in Miami.

Speaker 2 1:16:41

I was like guys, like literally there's a 45 minute gap between where I am saying that I am and where Rob is thinking that I'm in, so I don't know, all right.

Speaker 1 1:16:50

So you draw the line of the French made outfit. Oh God.

Speaker 2 1:16:52

Okay, I'm just going to just not talk about it and just hope that it falls on death. There's kind of thing it's falling on death.

Speaker 1 1:16:58

Don't worry about it, but what did you want to talk?

Influencer Culture and Earning Potential

Speaker 2 1:16:59

about Because so I did this little thing where I had people submit topics for me as far as, like, what they would want us to talk about and outside of the one that I had mentioned earlier, where it's like bodybuilding being a glorified beauty pageant and you're starving yourself because you're trying to get somebody else's opinion of you, you're going to get a kick out of this One of the other really good ones that I wanted to just get your five cents on real quick how much money real influencers make, how much money Like how much money is really in the influencer field A lot of them.

Speaker 2 1:17:29

Where it's like oh no, there is a lot of money, but I feel like it's only towards, like that top percentile of the people doing it with like, okay, if you have real interaction, like people think that if you have like all these followers and it's going to mean that you're making money. I know people that have 40, 50,000 followers and that's not. It's like literally, it's like no, but like you're interactive and stuff like that, like you make money off of this. They have 40, 50,000 followers that are just posting for the sake of like I'll make money on this. They're trying to like, but you do this as your full time job.

Speaker 2 1:17:56

They're literally doing this, but I'm saying they're trying to supplement their full time roles and they're going to end up putting themselves into such a hole.

Speaker 1 1:18:02

Yes, I'm saying that I do this in terms of I don't do this in terms of, like, I'm saying I do this in terms of the podcast stuff. Right, I don't get paid for the podcast, I don't have any sponsors, I don't have any money, there is no revenue that I make, I think. I think YouTube has has estimated that I've made $3 so far. $3. Yes, they only pay you out if you make $100. So I haven't made anything yes.

Speaker 1 1:18:24

I haven't made anything. So I think, when you think about influencers as a whole and the money that there is to be made, I think there's a lot more people. You know, like I have 53,000 followers on TikTok. I haven't made a dollar from any of that. Has any of those? Have any of those followers translated into YouTube followers, where I really want the following? Probably not. I think that it's just we go back to attention spans and we go back to, you know, the quick clips and this, and that People see something they either agree with or they don't agree with, and most people don't have the self-control to just not comment on things that they don't agree with, right? So you know, there's a lot of times that Dre and I we have said it multiple times there's tons of shit that we that we scroll past because that we don't agree with, that we don't leave our two cents on Mm-hmm. It doesn't do anything to just go. No, you're fucking wrong for thinking that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:19:12

It gives a fuck. I let people think what they want or let people talk about what they want to talk about. If you don't agree with it, you can watch the clip in its entirety and then just continue your horrible attention span. But when you think about, let's say, somebody has 100,000 followers, I don't think a majority of the people that have 100,000 followers are making money.

Speaker 2 1:19:30

No, I think it just has all to do with there are people probably that have less followers on the social status that are making more money because Like support codes or whatever the source is that they're going to be getting paid off of.

Speaker 1 1:19:43

There are probably people that have no Instagram or no social media, that are influencers in some capacity or whatnot, that have their own following in their community or whatnot, and they leverage their affiliate codes.

Speaker 2 1:19:57

Yeah, there's a lot of different ways. We are in the era of codes and it is annoying.

Speaker 1 1:20:02

I told my mom wanted me to do some of those and I just said, yeah, I can't do it. I just can't do it. First off, I only talk about things that I actually fuck with. I only recommend things that I actually think are quality products that I actually that you use, use myself. Thank you, I'm not going to be somebody that's going to sit here and be like, yeah, this is the new ass hair curler. Like, oh, I use this every day.

Speaker 2 1:20:21

It's like no, the amount of times that I've seen people in person that I follow online because maybe, like, we've interacted in one way or the other Ass hair curler that's awesome.

Speaker 1 1:20:30

What Ass hair curler? That's awesome. Where did that even come from?

Speaker 2 1:20:33

I don't know my brain. You're trying to sidetrack me again. I'm going to try my-.

Speaker 1 1:20:36

I'm not. I can sidetrack. Don't just talk about it.

Speaker 2 1:20:39

The amount of people that I've seen that will push a company online. But then I'll be hanging out with them at ghost events as an example and they'll be like, oh dude, I take this. All the time I was like, wait a second, you work for XYZ company and you guys make a similar product. Oh no, but you guys work way better and all they're doing is like they're going online, they're pushing codes and it's one of the best things that it was never like when I started to do like the whole influencer thing and I call myself like a semi-professional influencer because it's not my full-time thing, I do it because it's fun and it opens me up to be able to travel and meet as many people as I want to be able to meet, and whatever comes off of that is just icing on the cake. The way that I've gone about doing this is I've made it so. That way my money that is coming from extracurricular activities is never tied to a code Ghost.

Speaker 2 1:21:25

I don't have a code Hummus, I have a code, but I don't make actual money. I just love working for Tony and that whole team because I've been rocking with them for years now and I saw the vision and it was one of those things where there really wasn't that many meal prep companies online at the time. So, seeing what he was doing and hearing about his story, I was like I want to be a part of that. So I don't make money off of hummus. I don't make money off of ghosts from codes.

Speaker 2 1:21:49

If people message me, it's because they just want my genuine opinion on something. Oh yeah, I take this for this reason. And oh, okay, can I buy this to support you? I was like no, there's no codes. Literally, it's like I can give you discount codes for somebody else. That'll save you money. Sure, it'll benefit whoever the code really belongs to, but it's not going in my pocket. And I think I've really just come to love that, because now people will know oh, he's not just saying this because he wants a paycheck. I'm getting paid whether or not you take ghost or not.

Speaker 1 1:22:16

That's the beauty of this.

Speaker 2 1:22:17

That's like me with rain.

Speaker 1 1:22:18

Literally, it is the greatest thing, I don't have any codes for rain.

Speaker 2 1:22:21

Peace of mind.

Speaker 1 1:22:22

I tell people all the time, like people, oh, I want to buy a couple cases and that Go to Amazon, go, buy them on Amazon.

Speaker 2 1:22:27

People will use my code at hummus and it's cool because at least, like Tony and his team, they can see who's going in and who's actually who I'm referring, kind of thing which I'm always curious about. That too, I want to see, like, how many people I'm bringing in. And it's also like I'm not putting out volume of content where I'm pushing ghosts or pushing comments anymore. I kind of just like, spur of the moment, I really enjoy it. Liana, with the muffins. I've been posting the muffins because I literally have been eating when I buy them, it's one a day At least the cornbread muffins, like the savory muffins and the black and white one, which I still have to try, I've. I post it. It's because I'm genuinely doing it in the moment, I'm enjoying it. This is like my thing as of late and I just want to share it with everybody.

Speaker 2 1:23:03

But I don't get paid whether or not you buy a muffin. And it's been the biggest blessing to me because every single time I have people it's like okay, I'll talk to them about having you know, taking ghost greens as an example, because I used to have a lot of stomach problems and it really takes a lot of my stomach problems, my gut, it's reds, it's pre probiotics. It has the whole spectrum of things that I wasn't taking and ever since I incorporated it it's fixed so much for me and I'm not even just bullshitting. It literally helped, like I wasn't able to do a lying leg curl because I had so much stomach distress and I was taking that as soon as it came out. I've incorporated it into all of my prefs because you need help with digestion when you're eating the same shit over and over again and it has been a game changer for me. So, but whether or not you buy it or not, I don't get any monetary incentive. I'm just telling you my personal use for it, my applications for whatever I'm taking.

Speaker 2 1:23:52

If you use it, great. If not, find something that is good for your body that you respond well to. My roommate doesn't doesn't do well with ghost greens. Okay, go find, let's find you something else. But point being is you should take something along those lines, like I'm always going to preach health and wellness to everybody, whether you use ghosts or not. Okay, take greens. For this reason. Take pre probiotics for this reason. Take pre workout If you're dragging us all day from work and you need to go work out and you just don't have the energy and the buzz for it. Take a pump if you don't want that caffeine late at night, because you want to still be able to sleep.

Speaker 2 1:24:22

Being able to use that without being tied to a code has been, like the like, the biggest blessing ever. I swear to God, if I really wish that more and more people in the industry would do something like that and just make like a set number, because it would make everything that you're saying in my opinion come off more authentic, instead of it just being a push and every single time they see me pushing ghosts oh, use my code to help support me, because then you're begging. And it's been one of those things where there's one guy I'll never forget that is tied to alpha lead, and I'm not going to say the guy's name, but he had annoyed me to the point where I literally like shot him a message and called him out, because he messaged me, he saw that I tagged alpha lead in the post and because you can go and see who's tagged in what post now and he reached out to me. He's like hey, dude, I saw that you're buying the newest line. Hope you love it. I would love if you can use my code, because right now I'm on a trial period. I'm like are you kidding me? So I left it. I just I opened the message. It went to like the private folder or whatever and I didn't read it.

Speaker 2 1:25:19

Then he goes to my friends. He literally is searching for, like my followers that also commonly follow alpha lead, and he messaged him. He said and my friend literally sent me a screenshot of it and showed it to me. He's like dude, control your guy. Because I mutually follow the guy. He thinks that we're boys. I'm like no, I literally messaged the guy. I was like dude, I sent him the screenshot. I was like this isn't it?

Speaker 1 1:25:39

That would have been my fucking response I was like I talked to your boy.

Speaker 2 1:25:42

It gave me such a fucking headache Like you literally would have thought that. Oh my God. I can't even explain in real time how I felt. I was just like so disgusted. I was like there is no authenticity for some of these people.

Speaker 1 1:25:54

In a lot of different industries. I'll tell you what. But again, he's doing it for the money. Oh, of course he's doing it for the money. But he's doing it Even money views. Just you know, they can tell when you put a code in and you don't buy either. So, like they, you can see those metrics as well.

Speaker 2 1:26:09

When you put a code in but don't buy. What do you mean?

Speaker 1 1:26:11

So if you put a code into a website, there are metrics that they show where the cart dropped off. Oh yeah, that's why sometimes you'll get it. Hey, you forgot this in your cart. They know what code you were using to get what discount at that time.

Speaker 2 1:26:22

Got it. I think about that.

Speaker 1 1:26:24

So I mean, they see that type of stuff and you know whether they people buy it or not. People checking the code to see how much they get off. That's head hunting shit. That's scrounging for sales, bro. People are so unauthentic nowadays and they just they believe that they have to put these fake images up or be fake gurus or do whatever and just give people all this advice just to try to see more than they actually are. I've seen it on day one of my podcasts. I'm just a regular fucking guy. Regular guy that has a microphone, that has some really cool people that I get to talk to and hang out with. That's all this is. I have really great network and I've really you've known me. For how many years Am I? Pretty much the exact same way. I just are we going on over a decade Before I went to Yukon?

Speaker 1 1:27:10

Yeah, dude, so 10 years Over a decade, yeah, bro, yeah, 10 years, oh so five, yeah, fuck you.

Speaker 2 1:27:16

What do I still have?

Speaker 1 1:27:19

What do I have you in my phone as Do you still have me a silly? Yeah, j Crew, no, all my crew men's physique, joe Silverberg and J crew men's physique. So I'm a fucking real one.

Speaker 2 1:27:30

Dude. Oh my God, if people know about the J crew day, shout out Lisa, my cousin in law.

Speaker 1 1:27:34

That was my boss. Mad shirts from.

Speaker 2 1:27:37

She got me that gig and that was like kind of like a little bit of like a humble rag moment for me because like, yeah, I was like I tell people that I was a floor model. Then that was when I started to lose the weight, because I was like, you know, you and I both have similar stories where we were like the short back kids and I literally had my girl spurt but I was also losing weight at the same time. So I was like the taller, like skinnier side, but I was also like the ideal person that they wanted to have in the front of the store. So I'd be like, okay, like I would always work the front of the store cleaning up things.

Speaker 1 1:27:59

I forget how we, I forget how we like started talking, I went in there for shirts. Well, I went in there for shirts and I think you rec, you said something to me and I was like oh shit, you go to Bev's.

Speaker 2 1:28:07

Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:28:08

Man, we started talking and you said, oh, I think I want to compete, and blah, blah, and I started giving you probably my spiel of take your time, Just keep, just keep dreaming kid, it's fun.

Speaker 2 1:28:18

But this is also when I was like 150 pounds. This was 50 pounds ago and I'm just like you know I was just like a kid with a dream.

Speaker 1 1:28:24

Yeah, man yeah.

Speaker 2 1:28:26

But you've also seen like the top of it and you're just like okay, it's like yeah just let him have his moment.

Speaker 1 1:28:30

Yeah, just chill, man Just have fun, just let the golden retriever be happy. Yeah, just let the fucking dog Just give him a biscuit, Just give him a bone. He'll run with it for a few. But on the subject of influencers, it's a. You know, there's another podcast. I actually just had to block the dude. I feel bad.

Speaker 2 1:28:45

Oh boy, actually that. I don't know why, but we continue.

Speaker 1 1:28:49

Actually I can't even say I feel bad because I fucking don't. So I lied to everybody. I apologize about that, that unauthentic take. I don't feel bad. He has a podcast, a fight podcast, boxing podcast. Jamal was on it a couple of months ago. Okay, nice guy, nothing, nothing wrong with him. I know him through the great vine of a couple of people through our network and he started following me because he just started his podcast. And whatever Dude he's the dude that will send you his post every time he puts a new post up. Nope, he will either tag you in it or send it to you. So you click it and he gets another view Dog, like you said, this, ain't it? You need to chill the fuck out, and I gave him some time to just. Maybe he'll realize I'm not interacting with it and he'll just like stop, no, every couple of days he would send me the next post.

Speaker 1 1:29:37

I had the block one, like I can't do it through. I get enough fucking messages all day. I don't need them from you. I don't send my fucking post. Could you imagine if I sent you every clip that I put up of the podcast and I went and I didn't even say anything? I just sent it to you with the?

Speaker 2 1:29:50

expectation Like you know what to do, kind of thing.

Speaker 1 1:29:52

With the expectation that you're going to go and like it, share it, comment on it. Dude, talk about just being unauthentic and looking your own jams. I think, dude, relax bro, let's shit just happen. Either it's going to happen or it's not. Just let shit happen, yeah.

Speaker 2 1:30:07

It literally, it almost like ruins. A surprise factor too.

Speaker 1 1:30:09

Like okay, it ruins the whole vibe. Honestly, I don't want to support somebody like that.

Speaker 2 1:30:13

It feels like a chore almost.

Speaker 1 1:30:14

Yeah, I don't want to support somebody like that. Just do your own fucking thing. Do your thing, be authentic, have a good time, have fun takes and whatnot, and show it. And I, for the people that I fuck with like that, I look at the. I really don't consume a lot of content anymore. We go back to the minimalism type of take. I'm really trying to be a content producer and not a consumer, got it? I'm really trying to keep things. This is work for me. I have to stop looking at it like, oh, it's fun, and sit there and just do it. I can't do, I can't watch all this. People ask me all the time like, oh, did you see my story? No, I didn't. I'm sorry, I didn't. And it's not because I muted you, it's not because I just like that's just like common. You know, I just didn't fucking watch it, I just I saw your name.

Speaker 2 1:31:00

It's like oh, did you see? Like so and so story.

Speaker 1 1:31:01

I'm like no, no, I didn't. I didn't see it. Did you tag me in it? Like, do I know you Like was.

Speaker 2 1:31:06

I supposed to see it Like? Is it like you know, like end of the world, like I should be seeing this kind of thing? Yeah, 99% of the time.

Speaker 1 1:31:12

No, and I, you know, I have a guy. There's a guy that just has been hitting me up a couple of times. There's a lot of people, but this guy recently has been hitting me up on and off. He's a very nice guy. He's like, oh, I'm starting to video. He's in California, I think. He's like, oh, I'm starting to do videos. I really just some time to pick your brain and this and that. I'm just like dude, I get this all the time. Man, podcast video stuff. I said I can give you five minutes.

Speaker 2 1:31:32

That's more than I can give you, bro, and then whatever else you add on top of that is because you genuinely want to do it. You give him, like the five minute elevator speech, but I can't you know what man it's like.

Speaker 1 1:31:41

You have to be able to just separate church and state, a little home and state whatever the saying is. You have to be at church and state. Okay, I thought so. You have to be able to. You have to be able to like separate things and just at some point just be like yo dude, it's like too much. It's too much. Too many messages you got to like I didn't have anybody when I first started. I didn't have anybody to like boost my, you know what Legally self made.

Speaker 2 1:32:02

Oh, and I feel I even feel weird saying that sometimes because like Well, if you're well, because here's the thing you don't like boosting yourself up. So it takes people like me to remind you of like where you started and like okay. So like you did Apple, and then you were doing a lot of like the videography and the pictures for like the, the houses out East. I wasn't doing that?

Speaker 1 1:32:18

dude, that I wasn't. That was not what I was intended. I was a salesman and I just bought a camera and I started taking some photos you started doing it. And what they didn't realize at the time, which they were the stupidest bunch of motherfuckers ever. What they didn't realize is that we have an in house guy that's learning how to do and he can run all of our social accounts. Document every job across. Dude. They have jobs across the country, in California, florida.

Speaker 2 1:32:42

Did not realize that there were that penthouses.

Speaker 1 1:32:43

Oh, dude, big man, they're one of the biggest home automation integrators in the country. Okay, penthouse, $40 million, penthouses and homes in the Hamptons, and this, and that I was just starting to do videos. I was like yo, can I start shooting all your content and this? And that because I wasn't making sales. They weren't allowing me to make sales. All the owners were taking all the top leads. The owners of the company were the owner, who are who my mom knew from high school, and his cousin, and then there was a bought in partner. That that was like, you know, getting on. So the three of them were not only the owners, they were the main salesman. So do you think they're going to give me the $40 million home? Oh, no, no, they could give me the scraps. And then they're like oh, by the way, nick, you have a $6 million quota for the year.

Speaker 2 1:33:29

Right, it's like okay, like go make your opportunity kid where you really don't even give him like any chance of really succeeding.

Speaker 1 1:33:34

Okay, and they go. Yeah, well, and if you talk to an architect or you talk to a builder or you talk to somebody that we already have in our system it's a house to counsel you really don't get commission on that. It's like you guys have been around for 40 years. They're doing when you're from the start. What the fuck are you talking about? You guys have talked to everybody.

Speaker 2 1:33:50

But circling back to like you like being like the whole self, made Nikki Rizzles Rizalogy everything else that you got going on right now. You just started doing that on a whim, doug.

Speaker 1 1:33:58

nobody told me to buy this mixer Right. Nobody told me to buy this microphone. So nobody told me to buy those cameras.

Speaker 2 1:34:03

You did all the work. You did all the work yourself, you picked up the camera and then, all of a sudden, it's like okay.

Speaker 1 1:34:07

And it's not even a matter of like looking for somebody that was going to hand me the keys to the kingdom. It was literally just I had to figure it out. That's what it was. That's really the point that I'm trying to make.

Speaker 2 1:34:20

Exposure by fire.

Speaker 1 1:34:21

I had to figure it out.

Speaker 2 1:34:22

Love that shit.

Speaker 1 1:34:23

I had to do the research I had to figure out. Oh shit, I bought a piece of equipment Like dude. I spent 400 dollars on that piece over there on my printer. Right now I have to send it's a matte box, a what it's a matte box. It fits on. I'm going to say it again A what you put filters in it.

Speaker 2 1:34:37

Oh, you should have led with that. Yeah, just killed off 20 seconds of the fucking podcast.

Bodybuilding and Gym Conversations

Speaker 1 1:34:41

Shut the hell up Joe Silly the fuck out of my office. It clips onto this lens right here. This lens I thought I was going to buy multiple, like I bought of this lens, the new Cook lenses. I thought I was going to buy multiple lenses of that Zeiss lens that's on here. It's a cinema lens as well. It's a 114 millimeter barrel. That matte box fits perfectly on there. The Cook lenses are 57 millimeters, so they're much smaller. That matte box doesn't fit on there. But they sell a donut adapter which kind of like they call it, the black hole which is supposed to go over. It still doesn't fit, so I have to send it back. Now I can't use that $400 matte box that I bought two years ago on my new expensive lenses. No one taught me this. I have to figure all this shit out.

Speaker 2 1:35:25

It's just trial, trials, tribulations, and thankfully I was like you already have a really great network from the people at Bevs.

Speaker 1 1:35:31

So I was like, okay, it's like very thankful for that network, because when you started, doing that.

Speaker 2 1:35:35

It wasn't like okay, like hey, like Max or whoever was, sadiq maybe.

Speaker 1 1:35:39

Sadiq wants for Under Armour.

Speaker 2 1:35:41

I'm not, I'm not going to get into Sadiq. That's a whole separate thing.

Speaker 1 1:35:45

But we're going to end it right here. Sadiq has told me multiple times and he still may come on the podcast. He has told me multiple times when every time I would see him, I want to come on the podcast and I just be like, hit me up, like I'm not going to sit here and beg anybody to come on the fucking show. I'm not going to sit here and that's not what I think that he was expecting. But there are some people that they'll ask me to come on the show and I'll be like, okay, come through, like let me know when you're around, and they don't let me know. But then the next time they see me, they're like you are, I really want to come on the podcast. I'm like, okay, let me know.

Speaker 1 1:36:12

This isn't like I'm not Joe Rogan, I'm not fucking. Come on the show, I don't care, I just want to have a good conversation and hang out. Like that's all I want to do. So I just find it funny that, like there are people that will just be like okay, so, yeah, make the times, let me know when you're around. Okay, you never hear from them.

Speaker 2 1:36:27

Okay, let them have their moments. But, oh my God, man Side-tracked for the night time.

Speaker 1 1:36:35

Well, this is your first time. This is your first time podcasting in this environment with the Rizzles, with the kid, and this is what happens. You got to ask Tyler fucking and Panetti, panetti and I used to go a million different areas. You get good at going back to, you know, to the thing, but you were saying self-made, self-taught trial by fire.

Speaker 2 1:36:54

You were shooting with people like Max. I think like Max Charles was like one of the coolest guys too that you guys have actually introduced me to, so but you know you were shooting content for him when he was getting ready for the Arnold and he was getting ready for the Olympia. Oh yeah, like Nick, come and like shoot me. That's like I'm getting ready. You're like you know, two, three, four weeks out when he's looking like the most like freaking Superman and okay, it's like let me see what we can do. And then those shots were fucking insane. And also I would be remiss if I did not bring this man up George Peterson the third the bull. I love you man, miss you every single day.

Speaker 1 1:37:24

Shout out to George. Shout out to Sean.

Speaker 2 1:37:26

It's so funny too, and Sean too, but I didn't have like like I was really really close with George between him and Justin Shout out Justin Miller too, one of, like my favorite coaches that I've ever had the privilege of working with.

Speaker 1 1:37:36

Justin, I gotta take a jab. Another one just kept sailing what's going on. My guess was just Aaron shows up. Shout out to Justin Come on this, show man, I ain't gonna bite you I fucking missed that man dude.

Speaker 2 1:37:46

It's like I still look back at the pictures from that prep and it was one of those things. It was also during the pandemic, so I was living in Queens with my ex at the time and I was working remote.

Speaker 1 1:37:55

I would go to those statements sound horrible.

Speaker 2 1:37:57

Oh yeah, no, trust me, it was.

Speaker 1 1:38:00

Uh, those were crazy times Queens and an ex. I hate Queens and I hate exes.

Speaker 2 1:38:03

I am never going back. Never going back to Queens again. It's cool to be able to say that you lived in, like some other part of Long Island, because most people don't move off of Long Island. I had my fun. Never going back Queens sucks to see you.

Speaker 2 1:38:14

Yeah, I mean, oh my fucking god, dude, you're gonna fall apart even before the end of this thing. But I was working from home and then I would go to my mom's house, which, at the time when I had moved out, she basically had converted my old room to a gym and I stole my cousin's weights, dude, literally. Of course, my old bedroom is going to become the gym of the house.

Speaker 1 1:38:33

She got rid of your ass she was like I'm making it a gym.

Speaker 2 1:38:36

It was her shoes, it was like she stole my closet and still wasn't enough. But then also I was like I was able to kind of like make shifted into a gym because the gyms were closed and I was so hell bent. I was already two months at the prep at the time and I was like you know what I was like Justin, if you're okay with it, I want to keep it going. Let's just keep doing this. Let's just see what happens, and if a show opens up, we'll do it.

Speaker 1 1:38:54

Were you not tight? Were we not talking during COVID?

Speaker 2 1:38:56

I don't really I think we obviously like we still knew each other, but I don't think.

Speaker 1 1:39:01

I had the full Rogue set up in the garage Dude full Rogue, Monster Rock with the assault bike. I had 500 pounds weight.

Speaker 2 1:39:07

I remember that. Yeah, you're right, you had the flags hanging up and everything. Yeah, I remember that landmine.

Speaker 1 1:39:11

I have all the kettlebells. It just came through, man. Now everybody was coming to train.

Speaker 2 1:39:15

So for me, I did a whole bodybuilding prep and it's so funny because, like to the day, outside of the last show that I just did in November, that is my favorite look ever. I've done five shows now. The prep that I did with the most minimalistic amount of equipment and, just like me, with my coach, we read out a plan, just go out and execute. It was one of the best looks that I ever had, which is still so funny to me in a very fucked up way.

Speaker 1 1:39:37

The vibe man.

Speaker 2 1:39:38

I had a barbell and a bench. It went up to 185 pounds and I would like literally take bands and just strap random shit at the house to like make the barbell heavier so I can keep progressing. And I had dumbbells that were adjustable up to 90 pounds and same thing. I would have like the actual resistance bands. I would wrap them around my back, then go to grab the dumbbells. I would do incline, flat decline. I would do decline at home and almost roll off the bench and fucking go through my floor. My mom would be so pissed at me because I'd be making a hell ton of noise. There's the homie Lewis there too. Uh, yeah, he was there too. Yeah, shafts the homie. He's getting into working on now too. He joined up at Onix and I have Jordan and Mike hitting me up saying, yeah, we see him more than you now. So fucking hate Onix. It's real. It's come a long way, though. It really from the old gold that it was gold.

Speaker 2 1:40:22

Yeah, I went there once when it was golds, when I had first moved to Seaford. My family had moved from Suffolk to Nassau County. It was one of the first gyms that I had checked out, because it was golds. Everybody loves golds. Everybody thinks that gold is the greatest thing. If you're in the fitness community, go to a golds kind of thing. They have the golds out here and the other ones in, like East Isle of Pryce, wherever it is.

Speaker 1 1:40:40

Well, the gold. There's a golds in East, there's a golds out there, there's a golds in Northport, which is really cool because it's very nice. You know my buddy, Jack the redhead? Yeah, I think so. I've trained with Jack there a bunch of times. It's like the underground basement. It's very cool. They have a lot of really good equipment there. I can't even front them.

Speaker 2 1:40:54

Every gold has like their hallmarks that you go there for yeah, and then it's like plus, like you always think of Venice too, like Golds Gym Venice.

Speaker 1 1:41:01

Yeah, golds Venice is a shit hole. I fucking don't say that I haven't been Go to golds out in East Isle of Pryce it's the same gym.

Speaker 2 1:41:07

That's kind of upsetting I swear, it's the same gym.

Speaker 1 1:41:10

It's COVID. Because California is a bunch of pussies. They put half the machines outside like bad and it just then they put tarp over them. It's not the same.

Speaker 2 1:41:18

Almost like the gym in San Diego. Oh, that's the other gym that I really wanted to go to Legitimately, working out outside with a tarp over you kind of thing.

Speaker 1 1:41:25

Yeah, but it's not.

Speaker 2 1:41:26

I was like eight, five and sunny every single day.

Speaker 1 1:41:27

It's not, though, because it's hazy and gloomy in that part of LA a lot of the time.

Speaker 2 1:41:32

Every time I put it, you can get that attitude. It is yeah. Stop trying to ruin every gym that I say I want to go to. Oh no, that's a shit hole.

Speaker 1 1:41:39

I'm going to tell you what, though. Truthfully speaking, I got some of the best shots of Kai at that, at a. Was it 7am, 6am? It was like a 7 or 6am shoot that we were doing at Golds out there, the light was just fucking perfect.

Speaker 2 1:41:55

Natural lighting.

Speaker 1 1:41:57

Most of my shoots, if not all of them, have all been natural lighting.

Speaker 2 1:42:00

Yeah, true, you're right, now that I'm thinking about it. When you do your stuff normally, it's like even if it's like the gyms inside that have like the really really good lighting, like move fast, live heavy the lighting when you guys were doing the shoots in there Insane.

Speaker 1 1:42:11

Is this it? Oh no, that was in Dubai. Here you go, Dude. These are all natural lighting stills from the video that literally looks like a movie. Yeah, those are like some of the best video clips I've gotten of him. I was like, wow, this is fucking per, even on the inside it legitimately looks like.

Speaker 2 1:42:27

It's like movie quality, thank you. And it also doesn't help that you have Kai, one of the like the strongest freaking human beings on the planet oh me who literally just makes everything look like a twig. There you go. Oh, the color grading. Yeah, is he still with bread?

Speaker 1 1:42:39

con. Hmm, is he still with bread con? Thanks, so I don't have a shot in a while.

Speaker 2 1:42:43

Hmm, yeah so I miss those bows.

Speaker 1 1:42:46

We feel shout out Kai. Yeah man, I have a picture of me and Kai from back when he was competing, before he got his teeth fixed and everything. Oh yeah, my man, my man was just like just at bed.

Speaker 2 1:42:56

Now he just does snow, angels and money, and he was able to fix his teeth.

Speaker 1 1:42:58

That's it, dude. Yeah, why don't you become a real influencer and you make that real money? But now it's like you know he was in movies too.

Speaker 2 1:43:04

What was the movie that he was in? He was in Stranger Things. Why he was in Stranger Things and he killed it was mr Fun shine. Yeah, that's what it was. He was like what I like the really bad guys, or like it was the group of misfits. Yeah, yeah, he killed it in that man. I literally would watch that I was getting so high because I was like wait, I've known this person from like a whole different realm of existence, like I'll tell you what man.

Speaker 1 1:43:23

I've spent a lot of time with Kai and a lot of different areas around the world and I've been very fortunate to see and Hang out with him where people wait for fucking hours.

Speaker 2 1:43:33

Oh right, you guys went overseas to like the other Expos, right?

Speaker 1 1:43:36

Germany we've been, yeah I, we've been everywhere.

Feet Pics and Fitness Industry Chatter

Speaker 2 1:43:38

So it's you buys, that's. That's on my bucket list. That is Soon on my bucket list.

Speaker 1 1:43:43

Yeah, you know, unfortunately, as the creative, I really didn't get to enjoy these places because I'm working. So it's not really a Get to see everything, type you running barefoot, unlike the same I don't remember where you were. I was, that was Cali.

Speaker 2 1:43:55

I was like you were running around and you were like chasing Jujie, yeah, like barefoot with your camera and your gable. I fucking laughed so hard.

Speaker 1 1:44:02

I was literally you that was your work ethic, dude. That was tough, mutter, dude, we were going for hours and hours and hours. I was exhausted.

Speaker 2 1:44:08

I was well just done the fucking mutter with a GoPro strapped to your chest.

Speaker 1 1:44:10

What happened was we were at the, the mud pit portion of it, and I, just I had my camera, I was what, and it was I forget which sneaker I had on, and I stepped and I it was like sinking mud and I went to go.

Speaker 1 1:44:22

Oh, you lost you, I was falling and I pulled my foot out. Shoe stayed in. Oh, I'm like what the fuck? So I pulled the shoe out and I threw it to the side and then I just kept running. After every. That was it. So my feet was like solid clay by the end of the, by end of the shoot. Oh, no, crusty feet, dude, no man so I was also like crusty feet. They don't, but luckily I don't get girls, so it's so.

Speaker 2 1:44:42

There's nobody there's nobody to judge my crusty feet. Well, no, you also. You're, you and Ty. You guys post about pedicures more than any other guys. I know, which I'm not judging, but it's also like I have never gone to get a pedicure.

Speaker 1 1:44:51

Well, we're gonna go get one now. Great, yeah, you're gonna come through.

Speaker 2 1:44:54

We're in our made-up, it's right yeah.

Speaker 1 1:44:55

I was gonna text literally Tyler and I should be like, thank fucking God, get those talons off of me.

Speaker 2 1:45:01

Yeah, okay, no, not, it not even close, like it's like laying next to a hawk, what you're trying to purge it. No, you're putting all this, you're putting this image into people's heads right now and I'm not a fan of it. No, not, we're not going there.

Speaker 1 1:45:14

Oh the dogs out. Let's see them. No, absolutely those toes, no free feet. We'll charge. We'll charge for it.

Speaker 2 1:45:20

I'll put a description up. I'm not letting these people see free feet. You know how much money girls are making with freaking feet pics, not those feet, not my feet.

Speaker 1 1:45:27

No one's paying for my feet. No one's paying for Tyler's feet. Tyler, if I make money, Tyler said he has dainty feet and that we could spruce them up and make some money on his toes. Tyler, I've seen them toes. You know I'm making money with those toes.

Speaker 2 1:45:38

Well, here's my thing. Nobody's seeing this anyways, because with what I do for my financial advisory job, my professional job, I have to report it. It's like, okay, outside business activity includes ghost, which is outside of normal business hours, great picks feet pics.

Speaker 1 1:45:51

Where the fuck did that come from?

Speaker 2 1:45:51

and then I gotta have compliance calling me. It's like so you want to explain, like, how much time you're spending on this? And oh, by the way, why are you doing fucking feet pics? And then you just go like this I would not want to.

Speaker 1 1:45:59

I would be like scared to take up that call and then you just go, like this, you just go. Hey guys, times are tough. The rents do on Friday, oh Fuck. Yeah, you're right, how much you make, and maybe I should start. I'm trying to go on all these crazy expensive trips. I gotta pay for them somehow, exactly. And you got a girl, so I mean, you know, I just have to pay for myself.

Speaker 2 1:46:15

My secret is letting ghosts cover. When you go away, it's like okay, it's like I'll do whatever you want, and then you get to travel for free. You get to see different parts of the country that I never thought I'd go to. I mean, hell, I've been to Columbus five times, or some shit like that. I've been to Alphalane like three or four times. At this point, I've been to Miami twice.

Speaker 1 1:46:31

So I'm not going to the Arnold this year.

Speaker 2 1:46:32

Oh my god, it's the first year that I'm not gonna be going. Wait, when is this podcast dropping?

Speaker 1 1:46:35

tomorrow.

Speaker 2 1:46:36

Oh shit, okay. So I'm not going to the Arnold this year for the first time in a while. It's okay, and it's one of those things where I just had something else that came up that I need to be there for instead. So I was like you know what it is, what it is. I'll be there for the the rest of the years because I know the community out there, I know the landmarks, and when I go it's like my bosses will kind of like bump things off of me and say, oh okay, like what do you think? Where should we go? Kind of thing.

Speaker 1 1:46:57

And I like that we should do. I'm not really big into the fitness industry anymore.

Speaker 2 1:47:02

Not, honestly. Neither am I. I've fallen off so much this weekend when I was at Lyft Miami for Jim shark all of these different Personalities, and they'd be coming up to the booth.

Speaker 1 1:47:10

I have no idea what the hell these guys are. Do any of these people are? I know?

Speaker 2 1:47:12

idea.

Speaker 1 1:47:13

But I'll tell you, what we should do is get maybe me, you one or two other, maybe tie one or two other people, and we should do what Rogan does with the fight companion and we should do that for the Arnold, for their finals.

Speaker 2 1:47:24

What you got to explain. So I'm not like a big roguin guy. No, he does against him, like I've seen some of his takes, and they're great.

Speaker 2 1:47:29

No, no, but I know people that swear by him my roommate. When I went to Jim Shrek Miami Literally it's like I would wake up and he'd be like I'd be listening to Joe Rogan. I was like I don't, I'm not playing Rogan, he's in the bathroom Just fucking listening to Joe Rogan. Rogan's, rogan's really good. The Rogan fans are like none else. Man, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you either you love the guy and it's like if you fuck with him, it's like you're just all up in it all day, every day.

Speaker 1 1:47:51

Yeah, so like the people that I've seen, anyways, the fight companions are basically he, he can't, you can't stream that content to the cameras because you'll get copyrighted and lawsuit it, okay. But what he does is him and his boys will hang out and they'll watch the fights off-screen Okay, so they'll watch everything going on. They'll comment on it. With what's going on, they'll be like oh, rami, is you know if it's bodybuilding right? Rami got second, or is that? And they'll start like Talking about it as it's going on, but they don't show the visuals.

Speaker 2 1:48:19

You just like kind of show us like almost yeah, hang it ended, but they hang out for hours like it's alive.

Speaker 1 1:48:23

They'll hang out for like four or five hours, watch. It's like you're watching the whole show and you, just you stream it. So it's right. I think we should do something like that, for I'll tell you what be cool If we did something for high rocks that we're not there. Yeah, everyone's competing. I don't know how long it is, but hey, we'll figure out.

Speaker 2 1:48:36

A rock's in New York is coming up in June. Man, we got so many people are gonna be doing that. I'll be there as a fan and I'm gonna be going with a bunch of fat heads. I'm gonna be the big heads. I'm gonna be the, the golden retriever, walking around with fat heads all day there you go. It's important, my people man.

Speaker 1 1:48:49

I get you a backpack made so you can like stack them honestly yeah backpack, almost like the urechai warriors and Lord of the Rings, stack the heads in the back. I'll tell you what about Rogan and then we'll move off from Rogan I. I find what I find very admirable from my perspective which I've been wanting to become better at, which I think I am is not Only the way that he can speak and translate things and talk, but I find it very admirable how Well versed he is on a lot of different subjects and topics.

Speaker 2 1:49:19

That's what I find very cool because he knows it or because he brings in the people that? I think it's both.

Speaker 1 1:49:24

I think it's because he, he Reads a lot, which I've started to do a lot more. Yep, I believe it's because he reads a lot. I believe it's because he has the guests that teach him about these things. Mm-hmm, his network is large and, you know, I have to remind myself that he's, you know, 20 something years older than me. Right, he's been doing, he's been podcasting since the early 2000s, mid 2000s.

Speaker 2 1:49:44

I didn't even know the podcasting was that thing in the early 2000s? It's one of the first ones. That's why nobody's like where would you find it?

Speaker 1 1:49:49

exactly Nobody really knew what it was and he was just having a show with his friends and that. You have to be reminded of these things and I forget who I had on that. I spoke to about this, but it's like how many people were at episode one? Maybe they joined in on episode 150 right joined in on episode a thousand.

Speaker 2 1:50:05

You go back and take a look at like the metrics from that yeah like how many views? Like you know, you know the first video now it's like 10k.

Speaker 1 1:50:11

Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. And at the same time, it's like how many of that 10k were the first 150 you don't know like. So who was on the journey the entire time? Did they join halfway? Did they join now? Did they join early? So it's the journey that everyone should be excited about and should enjoy. Unfortunately, we're all primed to want the end result and want the Lamborghini and the hundred million dollar Spotify deal and all the fame, this and that. But you have to, because one day you look back and you go like even now, with my apartment, with Kenji, I think to now, and I have to sit down and enjoy where I currently am because in the next 10 years, maybe I have a family, maybe I know, maybe I live somewhere else, maybe I maybe the podcast is huge at that point and I'm sitting back and I'm thinking like, wow, I used to Dream of all this and be so Anticipatory about it coming and arriving.

Speaker 1 1:50:57

Yeah that I just almost missed the simpler times of just me and Kenji sitting in my apartment, quiet.

Speaker 2 1:51:02

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 1:51:03

And you know, even like you think about high school, you think about elementary school, middle school how badly you wanted to get out and be an adult, how badly I wanted to just advance and just be at my adulthood, or Marry the girl that was my first girlfriend at the time, or this and that, and you look back and you just go, man, I Thought that I was ready for all of that, but I really just should have enjoyed being there right then, cuz, yeah, life seems stressful then, but it wasn't so.

Speaker 1 1:51:30

It's like as you get older, more money, more problems, the more stress Yep, they just continue to compound their different stresses. So I find I find the journey is what I'm trying to enjoy. So when I think of a guy like Rogan, I think of how impressed I am by how well he's versed in so many different topics and how he's got a knowledge base that spans across a lot of different things. And that's what I want to do, mm-hmm, I want to read a lot. I want to have a lot of conversations with the awesome people like yourself and learn from them about them, this and that you know that that's what that's what that's what this is for. And the people that get to sit at home or be in their car or whatever they're doing, to listen to this and pass some of the time by or learn something themselves. That's that's what I hope they're doing too.

Speaker 2 1:52:10

Also on top of that, though, I also respect the hell out of the fact that he doesn't really push a lot of things on there Right as far as like products going stuff like that like, because if I were to compare him to somebody like Indy forsella, who you know from like a motivational standpoint, definitely makes like some of like the best content, will fire you the hell up. 75 hard Love everything from that capacity. But then also oh yeah, by the way it's like I'm currently using like first form hydration. It's like the greatest thing since sliced bread, but it's like you're also plugging yourself in the podcast and it's like it almost kind of like hurt your credibility a little bit. Yeah, fun fact too, I used to be a first form person. If I don't, I don't even think like a lot of.

Speaker 1 1:52:45

First one follows me because I used to be one too. Your legionaire. Yeah, shit, yeah. How much of a shithole was that? Huh, I don't know, because I never posted. They sent me the free shirt and everything and I just I don't think I ever, oh they didn't send me anything for free.

Speaker 2 1:52:56

Their whole thing was you need to buy the starter kit. That was like 200 $250. Because you need to be able to you, you need to buy that, use that. So that way it's like anything else like. In hindsight, I get why they wanted you to do that, but you didn't need to buy every single fucking product on the line.

Speaker 2 1:53:11

No, you had to literally like you drop 250 bucks, you can use your code is like okay, so you're like you're gonna see the money on the back end. Anyways, when you get paid out and more people use your code and at the time I was so Chasing the code mentality and I talked to like my best friend Mike, because like we were like always working out together it's like dude, like I want to get the codes. One day I want to be that person that people are gonna be able to say like oh yeah, I told them to use something and they would be able to buy into what I'm telling them, kind of thing.

Speaker 1 1:53:34

I had a code with eat the bear ETB. Do you remember that protein?

Speaker 2 1:53:37

Not.

Speaker 1 1:53:38

I'll tell you one man, that was the best protein I've ever had in my life. It was so good. What was that? Etb, eat the bear eat the bear. Yeah, my buddy, vince, was sponsored by them. Vince Fiori, he was one of the best men's physique in my opinion, had some of the best shape, looked unbelievable must have been even before I Got into it.

Speaker 2 1:53:52

I thought that was into it from the very beginning to it, like when Dia and Sadee can everybody.

Speaker 1 1:53:56

We're into. I was fucking alright.

Speaker 2 1:53:57

Fine, I Missed the old physique days. I do too old. Jeremy Bindi a Ryan Terry. Thank God this guy won this year. Right here is the homie I, so I met him over the weekend.

Speaker 1 1:54:07

He's supposed to come on the pod.

Speaker 2 1:54:08

It's so funny to me, dude, because how I talk about when we before we were talking about how you know, it's like you see, famous people like I have met Christian Guzman, I've met all these like famous people within the industry and I don't really flinch anymore. It's like, yeah, it's like you know, I have gone out with him, I met all these but they're famous.

Speaker 1 1:54:23

To what standard that's where you have to. You know, I'm saying like from the industry that I'm in and that's the funny thing is like you're wearing out for lead.

Bodybuilding, Golf, and Potential Relocation

Speaker 2 1:54:30

Oh yeah, by the way, guys, I was hanging out with the owner this weekend. Okay, cool, like I don't really care as much. But, funny enough, ryan Terry was one of the people where I was. Like I even told my team I was like, guys, this is gonna be the only time you hear me say this all weekend. I need somebody to take a photo of me with him because he legitimately between him and Steve Cook. Those were my guys. They got me into the whole men's physique route of like, okay, doing shows with the board shorts was actually like a realistic thing. They taught you how to do everything. Steve had his own Series at the time on YouTube where he documented preps. Terry would always give out his workout information online and on YouTube kind of thing. So I saw him and I never met him in person, even though he's been to New York a million times.

Speaker 1 1:55:10

He was supposed to come on the podcast back when he was here last before the Olympia dude.

Speaker 2 1:55:14

Definitely I wish I could spend time with him and just to like, just to pick his brain about his approach to things, and it's like he's done like the top bodybuilding show for eight or nine years However many shows it's been and he finally won you know Like the hard work has finally paid off and like screw, the whole politics thing is like no, he legitimately was like the best-looking person on the stage at that time and he won, even though people like me We'll say that he's should have won years ago. I had this debate with Mike. Like so many times over the years was like dude. It's like how is he not getting more looks? If I could look like any men's physique person, it'd be him in a heartbeat like maybe he's not like you know, like the most athletic hybrid person right now.

Speaker 2 1:55:49

Like what you and I are doing at OG is an example like Steve is kind of coming along that route. Chris Harris's example is like running 13 miles but still is able to press like double my body weight kind of thing. I'm just like I want that. That's like something where it's like people will pause, be like wait a second. Yeah, that's like 400 pounds pressing, but also he's able to run a half a marathon at an eight minute mile pace, like the stuff that you're not gonna see many people doing. That's what I'm, that's what I want to be man. That's what I'm gonna be soon. It's just a matter of when you want to be an athlete.

Speaker 1 1:56:16

You know, yeah, just be somebody that's pretty to look at.

Speaker 2 1:56:18

I mean, look, it's like I definitely had my face when it comes to that type of stuff. No, oh, oh, geez really changed my, my thought process when it comes to that type of stuff. Man, it's like I always loved being an athlete, like always wanted to play every sport growing up, even though for high school I did hockey, I did golf and I did track for one year, and you know, obviously, you know golf is not like the most like quote-unquote athletic sport kind of thing. We got to get some golf in this summer, man.

Speaker 2 1:56:39

Please yes.

Speaker 1 1:56:40

Okay, so side note of the golf. Sorry, with the golf I not only do we have to get some golf in, but next year Ryder Cup.

Speaker 2 1:56:47

Oh, I'm already there, already talking. Yep, I got to get tickets.

Speaker 1 1:56:50

We got to figure out how the fuck to get them.

Speaker 2 1:56:52

I have a connect. I got it.

Speaker 1 1:56:53

Do you? Yep, I'm going, I want to go every day.

Speaker 2 1:56:55

I want to go fucking just all all these fun companies that I work with. It's like they're gonna be sponsoring the cops.

Speaker 1 1:57:00

Dude, I want to go, so bad I'm. I'm really wish we could at that part out.

Speaker 2 1:57:05

Because now I'm gonna have everybody asking me about the Ryder Cup.

Speaker 1 1:57:07

No, one's gonna ask you. Don't ask, joe, I'm the one that's going a none, you motherfuckers are going, I'm going committed to this over to get really pretty pictures of Joe just looking fucking Delicate but masculine at the same time. Right on the side of the tee, tiger's gonna walk by. You tip his cap to Joe, I'm gonna get the picture. He's like I knew. I brought Nick for the right reason.

Speaker 2 1:57:26

Mm-hmm. Yeah, so you always gotta have the friend that gets like the best photos, like Alyssa gets like the best photos of me, like the candid photos of me. I'm like, how do you do?

Speaker 1 1:57:32

this. It's candid and nothing at all. Bro, I don't want no stage photos. We got to get him real.

Speaker 2 1:57:36

I get enough stage photos when it comes to like, even like over the weekend, where it's like my friend wolf, who's the photographer that was there for ghosts over the weekend, takes awesome stuff, but I might do like to do with the use like tell me what to do, yeah, well, no, he doesn't do the YouTube.

Speaker 1 1:57:46

I think I don't know his own YouTube channel that he no, no, no, that's Johnny. Johnny. Yo, johnny man, I saw that, if you, if he listens, I saw that Like a camera man.

Speaker 2 1:57:55

Stop posting that shit, cuz I want one so no, that, no, johnny, johnny's the one that had the like a camera, like a camera is the ghost like a camera.

Speaker 1 1:58:01

Yeah, ghost edition. Yep, it's the black and white one. It's fucking sick.

Speaker 2 1:58:04

Yeah, he swears by a man about that thing and he better stop posting back, because now I want one between. So he has a really good YouTube channel To where he'll talk about like days in the life.

Speaker 1 1:58:11

I see him, yeah, when I see. Every now and then he pops up on my thing.

Speaker 2 1:58:14

He's. He's legit when it comes to. He's like full transparency, authentic as hell. One of the coolest guys, man.

Speaker 1 1:58:19

I want to read this list real quick. This is the potential. I think there's the sponsors for Joe Rogan, so that's why I've had this up. I just wanted to say before I close my phone he's got quite a few arm ra, colostrum, athletic greens, a g1 Really better help. Black rifle, coffee bond charge, cbd, md, cross rope, dr Squatch, eight sleep, express VPN for Sigmatic goal, zero groove life, hex clad, a higher primate, commie, commie, coto knives, layered superfood, life lock, liquid IV, man-scaped me on these. Musk ox, neuro gum on it. Peak, so right. Roco sunglasses, select blinds, ship stations, simply safe square space stamps. Calm teeter, there are gun trigger grills, true classic tushy, and zip recruiter. Yo, my man is making a fucking killing.

Speaker 2 1:59:12

He's my checks from that. By itself or like, exceed what we make in a year dude, my man must be what.

Speaker 1 1:59:20

I'm it on top of the Spotify deal that he just signed for 200 million.

Speaker 2 1:59:25

Okay, yeah, didn't see that either.

Speaker 1 1:59:26

Yeah, and that's not what he gets paid by the UFC to go do an announcing. Yeah, I forgot about that, he's the most money that he knows what to do with that. Good for you, bro. He needs a manager hey hey, you know, joe, if you see this, I mean of course.

Speaker 2 1:59:37

Joe is watching.

Speaker 1 1:59:38

Yeah, Joe See, he's one of the ones from day one for me.

Speaker 2 1:59:40

Joe, great name, hit my line. My people will talk to your people.

Speaker 1 1:59:46

Yeah, my, my Jamie will talk to your Jamie and we'll set something up. My Jamie is quiche.

Speaker 2 1:59:51

Mr Kenji, laying down right, just please ignore if he watches the first parts of this podcast. Ignore the made outfit, ignore the toes.

Speaker 1 1:59:56

Oh, he's gonna be like nice. He's gonna be like he's a comedian you can't even love shit like that he would. He'd be like yo, come on, kill tone ever seen. Kill Tony. That's his boy, tony Hinchcliffe, who's got this own. He does a live podcast where he basically brings people out and they roast each other. It's fucking wild.

Speaker 2 2:00:09

Oh.

Speaker 1 2:00:10

Okay.

Speaker 2 2:00:10

I can be a little bit that yeah, it's a wild.

Speaker 1 2:00:12

It's a wild experience. I want to go to that when they film it live in Austin.

Speaker 2 2:00:14

Yeah, I want to go.

Speaker 1 2:00:15

Mm-hmm, that's actually on my list of places to potentially relocate to at some point. Austin, austin, yeah, scottsdale maybe the home of bachelorette parties.

Speaker 2 2:00:24

That's what every bachelor bachelor at parties.

Speaker 1 2:00:26

I thought it was nice parties.

Speaker 2 2:00:27

It's Nashville's kind of just like very basic and boring.

Speaker 1 2:00:30

Neshville was shot when we went out there. It was fun, but it was like too much drinking. I was like, oh my god, I'm so sick. I'll say this second day I couldn't look at alcohol anymore. I'm like, oh my god, I can't drink anymore.

Speaker 2 2:00:39

I think Nashville has become one of those places where it's gonna be as fun as the people that you go with. You Can go there and have a solo trip and be fine. Like you can definitely find cool and interesting things that you're not gonna see anywhere else. Like every country person has like their own bar.

Speaker 1 2:00:51

It's like a different spin on it.

Speaker 2 2:00:53

Yeah, heavy on drink. It's like the whole social scene of it, but you know, it's more like point being. You're basically gonna have as much fun as the people that you're with Austin. You can go there, and it's one of those things where you find something new every single day.

Speaker 1 2:01:05

Austin is one of the Jiu Jitsu capital of the fucking country for some reason.

Speaker 2 2:01:08

That's why you're going to fucking Jiu Jitsu.

Speaker 1 2:01:10

Well, that's who I really. I just don't want to keep training. I just want to be a fucking bad dude. That's all I want to do.

Speaker 2 2:01:15

I said I love bad dude, and also with your gun and everything.

Speaker 1 2:01:18

Oh, I can't wait to go Full Hick, can't wait to get my pistol. Oh, my god, I'm so excited for that. Dude, my lever action rifle, I gotta show you, is so dope it's a Henry, or whether Levin lever action rifle, that's a 44 Magnum. The bullet is Jesus. Oh it's, we gotta go shooting. It's so much fun, dude, I think we go through me. Oh yeah, no, well, it's a hollow point that I have from home defense.

Speaker 1 2:01:37

Oh the hollow points are gonna mushroom, but I'm safe. Yeah, you're good, you're good, I can keep fucking with you, it'll just, it'll just stick in there. But, but the the lever action is just so much fun.

Speaker 2 2:01:46

You feel like a cowboy every time you shoot it, because it comes yeah, it's like the toy gun that used to come as part of the costume, kind of thing, dude, just the real thing.

Speaker 1 2:01:54

Oh no, that thing's a real thing, I gotta show you.

Speaker 2 2:01:56

it's so dope, it's 11, when you say that a mushroom is out, I'm getting like this wrong idea.

Speaker 1 2:01:59

Well, that's the type of bullet that it is. It's a hollow point bullet it's. It's not it's meant to have like the power to gun. People might correct me if I'm if I'm incorrect, because I'm new to the gun scene over the last couple of months to year. But a hollow point bullet is gonna mushroom and and Blossom the shrapnel out so it kind of stops in the tissue.

Speaker 2 2:02:19

Oh, bullet, that has a lot more like nothing.

Speaker 1 2:02:21

I just go right, right, okay. That's also why you use buckshot. If you have a shotgun for home defense versus a slug, slugs is gonna go right through, and if you have neighbors to kill your fucking neighbor got it. Yeah, so you have to use buckshot cuz it'll, and bird shot It'll. Just pepper them up. It won't really okay. The buck shot is a little stronger.

Speaker 2 2:02:38

My closest thing to that is like I used to just like shoot BB guns around my neighborhood with my friends. I know and it would just be like us being rebels kind of thing, and seven fun, and then my father and then my dad would find out that I'm shooting BB guns and, like one of them, recreate off of a trash can and hit his car.

Speaker 2 2:02:51

Oh and he brought me down into the police precinct and had him literally interrogate the fuck enemy, so that way I would stop playing with the BB guns. Throw you in this cell, dude, just to like kind of paint the picture of like who my dad is. Like he would do that and it's like I was scarred for like a fucking month. After that never picked up a BB gun again. So it worked.

Speaker 1 2:03:06

Yeah, it worked. Oh my, now I'm gonna bring you to the range. We're gonna have a good time. Oh great, the range is sick, man, uh. So I want to know is there anything that we miss that we have to? We touch on a fuck, fuck ton dude.

Speaker 2 2:03:19

I think we touched on a lot of different things and I and I was telling everybody even before I came on that the whole thing that I wanted to talk about on this was maybe the things that don't get enough light, that maybe they should, especially when it comes to the whole social media thing, because I can confidently say I've been in it and around it enough now to where I think I actually have like a really decent opinion that could be valued, especially to like the younger kids, like 19, 20, 21 year olds, that all these kids that you see in the gym and then all the people that come up to events that are saying, okay, like the biggest question that I was getting over the weekends, like how did you get involved with ghosts, like what are they looking for, like what do I have to do, kind of thing. And I my story was simple I fucked with the brand. Like I was authentic with the brand. I took a lot of the products that I genuinely wanted to take, not because I wanted to work with the company in the future, even though it was a goal. It was basically making my life better. I talked about it online and then everything starts aligned and they asked me and I said yes, but now it's become one of those things to where people are gonna be doing this for the wrong reasons.

Speaker 2 2:04:17

People are gonna think that they can just solely live off of money that's coming from social media and this and that and the other, but you're not gonna be saving for retirement. That's not like a real job. There's people that are doing like the social media scene now that what are you gonna do when you're 35 or 40? And if you're one of those people that might, you know, traditionally fall off and you're not as big of a presence or you don't have like that look like as a girl I hate using this example but say like there's somebody that drags in a lot of their followers because of their look or their body, if they're showing cleavage, whether you're a guy or a girl, and then all of a sudden, when you get older, you don't have that appeal anymore.

Speaker 2 2:04:50

And then what are you gonna do? You blew all this money on G wagons and cars and all this other stuff, but you're not. You have no money that you say for retirement. You're basically gonna be that person collecting social security. We've talked about this. I see you sparking and I know the example that you already mentioned to me and I'm not gonna get into it, but you're gonna be that person that isn't able to sustain their livelihood when it gets to like the second part of your life. We're just supposed to be like the glory years. You work all these years to be able to enjoy Some sort of a livelihood that you had before you retired and stuff like that. And maybe that's this is just me putting on like my financial advisor hat.

Speaker 1 2:05:22

You have to have a game plan. That's really what comes down to. Is you have to like?

Speaker 2 2:05:24

I'm always thinking like 20, 30 years down the road kind of thing.

Speaker 1 2:05:27

If you're, if you're Income, is based on the vanity and it's based on your looks and your sex appeal, whatever have you, and you don't have an end goal for when you don't have that anymore.

Speaker 2 2:05:40

Yeah, you need a new man.

Speaker 1 2:05:42

And let's, let's just, let's just use it in a female perspective, because you have to call a spade a spade. If you're doing only fans or you're You're, you're leaning into your looks in your early to mid 20s. It's not to say that the the ship is gonna run its course in your 30s.

Speaker 2 2:05:57

What you're 40, you never know, but say like that's like the only thing. What, what happens on?

Speaker 1 2:06:01

what happens when the next round of hot girls Right, younger come up. It's, it's a natural cycle, it just it happens. Younger girls are gonna age and they're going to get more of attention now because they're the next group. So it's like, what's the freshman class coming in? It sounds fucked up to say, but it is what it is right the freshman, especially in bikini and all these different competitive styles. You see this. So what's gonna happen when you're clinging to scraps now of dudes that are the glory days of guys following you back in the day when you didn't? You didn't set yourself up for anything besides, I'm just a pair of breasts to look at. Right, come on, yo. You got to do more than that.

Speaker 2 2:06:34

So my biggest in this is gonna this is like the main point that I want to drive home with this. My biggest piece of advice is if you want to do anything related to the fitness industry I think I'm happy that I approached it the way that I did and I think it'll benefit a lot of people if they did the same Treated as a hobby, a passion, project. But don't make that. You're nine to five. You have yourself set up like, if you're going to school for a degree in business or a degree in marketing or degree in art, go and get a real job doing that because you definitely enjoyed it, because otherwise you wouldn't have been majoring it in the first place. Unless you just see money as the end goal and you know that you can make money, fine. But point being, do that first, get yourself so much stable, and then if the other avenues of your life Start to take over and you can solely live off of that, then you have to make that decision. But don't just solely be like, okay, kids coming out of college, oh, I'm just gonna do social media full-time, because then you're gonna be that person that's living in your parents house until 26 27 and you're not gonna have a plan. So if you do something that is a legitimate job and you set yourself up and you just use your hours outside of work because that is your passion project, it's fine to have a passion project and then, if that ultimately takes over all of your income and you want to put all your focus towards that, but at least get to that point, to where you can have the legitimate conversation with yourself oh, I can do this full-time and I don't need to go to my 9 to 5 every single day. You know one of our friends. She was an accounting and she was able to start working with a bunch of fitness companies and she left her job because she's doing so well, which is great, but she was a freaking top 4 CPA firm accounting and was able that she had that back. She had that backbone, so she was able to make that decision for herself.

Speaker 2 2:08:09

But people thinking that they could just go right into this and have that be the only thing that supports them is just it's not gonna End up being what you think it's going to be. Everybody has this false perception because they see all the famous people online and they see all the cars that they're driving and the houses that they're living in and who they're associating with and going to clubs and buying all the Bottle service. Look, we've all seen it, I've witnessed it. But then also you hear the stories about how they're not exactly living the best lives outside of that. So it's maybe the 1% of people that are safely able to live off of that by itself. I'm hoping that they have some sort of plan for 20 years from now, when that isn't exactly going to be as prominent as it is now.

Speaker 2 2:08:49

But have yourself set up first with a normal job, something that is making you income that you somewhat enjoy, and then work on your passion projects. And If the roads ever cross where you get to have the decision with yourself, it's okay, this could take over. Then great, then you know that you're doing something right, or you can just continue doing both of them on the side. Ghost is literally just become spending money for me and it's great because it's still my passion. I still get to do that on the side of my job and I don't ever have to worry about ghost paying the bills.

Impact of Social Media on Youth

Speaker 2 2:09:17

I make plenty of money doing the financial advisory stuff and I genuinely love it and it's nice because I can go to ghost and I don't have to worry about a code. I don't need to worry about Leveraging my friendships and making sure that people are utilizing me because otherwise I might not be able to pay rent next month, kind of thing. So that's my biggest point. With all the kids that were coming up to me over the weekend, it's like they're 19, 20 years old. Oh yeah, I'm going to you in Miami right now, but I'm gonna be doing social media full-time. What does that mean? Oh, I'm just gonna be. I want to work with a bunch of companies, I want to do sponsored ads, blah, blah, blah. Just it's. It's insane to me how we've gotten to this point and you have people that are like, oh, I don't want to work at that's job you have to do something it's not it's not, you do I have to reverse you there.

Speaker 1 2:09:58

It's not insane. This is what we've been Trickle-fed for years. And the younger kids who this is all they know. We know a world without social media. They do not, mm-hmm. So they have been trickle, we have been trickle-fed it and by the time it's gotten to them, they're drinking it right at the fucking teeth like this, is it bro? This is all they know. They think that this is gonna be a forever thing. You and I Understand that this is not, and if you're watching, life is trends to Tony Robbins talks about trends all the time. Understanding trends.

Speaker 1 2:10:32

I believe that there is a resurgence happening right now where people are like me, where people are tired of this making over my fucking life, Yep and I'm tired of having to be a slave to my phone and I'm tired of having All of these things that really only benefit the social media companies, mm-hmm and all of these other organizations and they don't actually benefit me and I'm trading my time and my attention For them to get fat and stupid rich and me I just get dumber, because that's really 99% of the content that you see is Stupid bullshit, especially the fitness. Let's be totally honest. Most of the content that you're gonna see in the fitness industry here.

Speaker 2 2:11:10

We go.

Speaker 1 2:11:11

I gotta see people dancing with a tub of protein or any kind of corny Corn bowl shit like that. This is mindless zombie content. It is fucking garbage. I will not shoot that content. I hate that content. It is so, so fucking stupid and unfortunately it shows you the mindset of the people that are consuming it.

Speaker 1 2:11:30

Because a video like that, I'll get millions and millions of views, yeah, but a story of a girl that lost her leg and now she's a fitness enthusiast, I'll get a couple of hundred. So we're seeing the trends of what, how fucking lost people are, yeah, a hole in the society. So now you look at kids that look at these things and they go, wow, I want to be a social media manager, I want to do this, I want to do that. They're gonna be burnt out by the time they're in their mid 20s. They're already burnt out. I saw a ton of comments about Kids in their 16, 17, 18 years old. That said, I deleted every Apple of my phone. I bought a dumb phone. I bought I bought a smartphone. I only use social media when I'm on my computer. I deleted Twitter X.

Speaker 2 2:12:08

I like, I like how it's called. I never, I never got big into it, anyways.

Speaker 1 2:12:11

I like Twitter because I got a lot of news from there, but I don't, I don't. I'm having the feeling that I don't need to know everything anymore. I'm tired. There's only so much that my brain can process in a day, and most of it needs to be my job, yep, my family and Kenji who's in my family. So that that's all that I really want to process in a day. I don't need to process every fucking war that's happening around the world. I don't need to process every bad interaction with police. I just I can't focus on it all. It's just too much. You start to just mentally we're talking about constant stimuli you just start to just go. I care, but I just I have to safeguard my brain right a little bit. So you look at these kids that are getting burnt out in their early 20s already and they have no idea where to go and what to do Because they believe that social media is the god of everything.

Speaker 2 2:13:02

It's their generation.

Speaker 1 2:13:03

They see these people, they see these celebrities, they see all the money and all this and it's fake. They don't realize that it's all fake unless you know these people and they're as authentic as they always are. Mm-hmm, it's a small percentage of people that actually are. All these other Dan Bilzerian, fake. He's bankrupt from what I understand. Now. I don't wish harm on anybody and but guess what, man, if you really had that much loot? If you did which I don't know If he did or not, I can't, I'm not his fucking count.

Speaker 2 2:13:31

I would hope so. With some of the things I think he did, I'm pretty sure yeah, it was fucking loaded.

Planning for Success in Career

Speaker 1 2:13:35

From what I understand, now he's bankrupt from a lot of people talking about it. Oh, how, how, how do you have that much money in your bankrupt now? So you look at these people. It's all bullshit. It's all people trying to impress people that they don't know and don't give a fuck about mm-hmm. Stop focusing on it. Exactly what you said focus on doing things that you enjoy. If you want to be a podcaster, you want to shoot content for brands? Yeah, get into it.

Speaker 1 2:14:00

That's fine but build something up. I this was a part-time job, this was my side gig for a year, yeah, and I built up a very good clientele before I even thought of quitting my major and Jiu-Jitsu Gave that exact advice on the podcast. When he sat down with me. He said I really sat down and planned my thing out before I even had any idea of if I was gonna quit my job and do all the content full speed. Yep, and once I mapped everything out, I knew that this was gonna be that the ability for me to quit my job and start my company to do my thing. That's when I did it.

Speaker 1 2:14:31

You have to go into it and be smart. Methodical choices. The same thing that people just fucking move to random parts of the country and then they go why didn't this work? And then they move back in a six months to a year. Mm-hmm, it didn't work because you didn't plan shit out. You just thought that, oh, it looks cool over here, let me go to Miami, right, go to Colorado, let me go to California. And they realize, oh, I don't know anybody, I don't have any connections, and I'm just here now and it's basically the same shit Graces greener effect. You thought it was gonna be different, and it's not. Mm-hmm, after the honeymoon stage, it's the same shit you just met. You just may get more sunshine or more snow, and there's a different people. That's really all it is. So you have to think these things out.

Speaker 1 2:15:09

I've given myself a timeline two to five years. If I'm gonna stay in New York, I have two to five years to decide if I'm gonna go somewhere else. Okay, that's it. I'm gonna visit some places, I'm gonna see, I'm gonna grow my network in different areas instead of just New York Mm-hmm. And if it makes sense for me to go somewhere else, I'll go. If it doesn't, I'll fucking stay. You have to be.

Speaker 2 2:15:26

At least you have this base already and we have yourself established in some sort of capacity and it's a year where you give yourself that flexibility, be okay. If I want to make some sort of a jump, I can, and it took years and COVID ripped it down.

Speaker 1 2:15:39

I had started just like. It ripped everybody down, not just me. I don't want to sit here and sound like I'm a loner and only only affected me. Well, dude, it fucked up a lot of people. I was about to move out. I had the most money I was ever making at that time not anymore, but at that time I was making the most money I had ever made. I was like really fucking killing it. And then just everything went to zero. I was like, oh, what's going on? And then it took all that time up until about the last year to get back to like, oh shit, like we're killing it again. This is great. And guess what? There might be another Psycho cyclical type of a situation where things go back to zero.

Speaker 2 2:16:12

But not who you talk to. Apparently, something's gonna be coming every like ten years or something exactly, and guess what man Just be ready for it yeah.

Speaker 1 2:16:18

I started paying myself in june. Since July that's a whole different topic I was not paying myself the entire time. I've been in business since 2018 20, yeah, 2018 is when I quit my job full time. So since 2018, I never paid myself. Everything was just in the business, now started taking money out and putting it in my savings and and using it to invest a little bit here and there how you'll savings bonds, and that's what I'm saying the counts everything.

Speaker 1 2:16:39

So so now I have a little bit of a nest egg just in case, like I need to fall back on some shit. Right, I never had that before. Smart, be Methodical research. Talk to people that know their shit. Reach out to Joe. You know there's only so much. I advise I can give on the on the on a non professional side. Professional side, it's weird, and before I'm like I gotta refer you to somebody else, you just got to do things and and and make sure that it's the right move. For the time being, it's okay to fuck up, it's okay to make mistakes, it's okay to like regress and go. That move wasn't the right move, let me. But you have to know when to pull out right now, to know when to let. Yeah, fucking, don't fucking. I tried so hard, made eye contact. You made eye contact with me too. I'm crazy.

Speaker 2 2:17:22

Yeah, doesn't take away from the severity of what you have to. I refuse to let that ruin this. Go ahead, it's not gonna ruin it.

Speaker 1 2:17:26

You have to. You have to know what you're my, my fan house with this bobblehead. You got to know passion for a second.

Speaker 2 2:17:31

I slanted table. I'm slamming, can slamming hands.

Speaker 1 2:17:33

I'm gonna break this place. It's a place for delicate people. So just the long story short. You just have to know what you're doing, go with your gut and make methodical choices for your life, and that's it. God bless you say dude you. How can people follow you? Talk to you if they want to talk about ghosts? Talk about you just being fucking awesome.

Speaker 2 2:17:55

Honestly so silly bird is on IG that I think that's how the majority of people hey, he's about CIL Y BIRD, follow the bird. If you want some comedic relief every once in a while, I've been quiet on there as of late, depending on who you ask for you.

Speaker 2 2:18:09

Well at the same time, if I post something, I'm hoping that at least it'll be informative, funny or have some sort of importance to it. I'm not just gonna be like one of those people that just like really post a post anymore. I used to be that in the very beginning. Now it's kind of like okay, it's like when you post, have it mean something, you know. So whether it's me doing something stupid like drinking an energy drink at seven o'clock in the night, you know, because I'm trying to get topics for his allergy oh my gosh, need topics, man. We just talk and have fun.

Speaker 1 2:18:36

I got shit for that too. Yeah, this is two hours and 20 minutes, oh way. So I got bro it's 11 o'clock at night, right now. Whoa that's what I'm saying. This is your first time doing this with me. This is, this is what happens with everybody. Yeah.

Speaker 2 2:18:48

I have classes six o'clock in the morning. Well, so we're gonna end it right here.

Appreciation for Audience and Guest

Speaker 1 2:18:51

Anybody. I appreciate all y'all for fucking with us and hanging out Joe Ciliberty, amazing human being, one of my boys for 10 years now. I appreciate him. He's an amazing soul and hopefully you guys got some great topics from this great conversation, as usual with my Guess, I always appreciate all the dialogue that I get with them. If you can, please share, like, subscribe, comment all that Fucking dandy bullshit, whatever it is, only because you want to, yeah, if you want. If you don't want to, don't fucking do it, I, you don't like me, don't do it.

Speaker 1 2:19:17

Yeah, if you don't like me, if you don't like Joe, don't fucking do it. It doesn't really at the end of the day it's, it's cool. I don't want you to have to feel like you have to do things if you don't like me and enjoy me and my content. But I appreciate everybody for tuning in. If it's one view, if it's a thousand views, a million views, I appreciate every single person. So on that note, I appreciate all y'all for fucking with us.

Speaker 2 2:19:37

But for now, peace and Cut Whoo.