#134 | Tom DeGiuli |

Welcome back to Rizzology! In this episode, Nick and Tom DeGiuli are hanging out in the studio. We kick things off talking about live podcasting, crazy travel schedules, and how Hyrox is blowing up as the new CrossFit.

From there, it’s a wild ride: they swap stories about fitness cults, the Liver King scandal, influencer marketing gone rogue, and just how weird social media can get—yes, including selling bathwater and OnlyFans drama. There’s plenty of joking around, some surprisingly deep talk about chasing trends, being real with yourself, and what it means to actually be happy with your body and your life, even as the internet keeps changing the game.

00:00 Live Streaming & Travel Reflections

07:25 "Wrestling with Authenticity and Persona"

14:56 Marine Biologist's Thrilling Passion

19:54 AI Creations Need Watermarks

22:22 Social Media Overload Impact

27:13 Fragmented Follower Engagement Issues

32:08 "Lion or Sheep Dilemma"

38:24 "Seeking Connection and Attention"

45:16 Gym's Next Chapter: Jiu Jitsu?

47:44 Training Girls in Self-Defense

57:24 Finding Personal Happiness in Fitness

01:02:37 Life Choices and Expansion Dilemma

01:03:27 Expanding for Business Growth

01:12:40 Transformative Late-Night Workouts

01:16:10 Designing an Innovative Gym Space

01:19:31 "Consult God Before Church Visit"

Transcript

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Reporting to you live from Rizzles podcast studio. Studio. This feels good. May 29th at. Hold on, wait,

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48pm My phone's right here. Oh yeah, I didn't see it. Look at my watch. So he's so focused on tick tock, YouTube, Twitch, fucking everything. Everything, everything, man. Tom de Julie, what's poppin? How we doing? We lied, baby, to see you. I don't know, maybe people jump in. You're gonna see people are gonna constantly jump in, jump out, jump in, jump out. Oh, we love it. Yeah. Awesome. Hang out, don't hang out, don't fucking care. So am I. I am the first live guest. You are the first live guest. I've been doing a couple of live stream videos to try to just get my feet wet with it and just make sure that the system that we built can actually handle the lives. And it's been good. It's been good so far and it's been a little rock steady. But then obviously with work and everything that I've had to do the last couple of weeks, the traveling to Vegas, Nish asked me to go to Toronto on Sunday for Regan and there's a lot, a lot of traveling. Maybe Dubai in July again. So Dubai would be cool, but last time I went in the winter. So I'm sure Dubai in the summer is going to be a very different experience. So what's your next trip coming up? Potentially it would be Toronto in on Sunday. Cool. Yeah. Because I got high rocks this weekend. I tried to locate Pooch on Sunday to try to get him on. Oh yeah, you told me that at. 5Pm I don't know if anybody, anybody that's in here that's going to watch the show or communicate or hang out. Anybody that is interested in tickets for Hyrox. So New York City hyrocks, they're reopening the queue for Spectator passes at 5pm today. Today. Cool. Today. Yeah, it's. It's pretty crazy how that has blown up to be like the new CrossFit of the industry. Like. Like. Cause everybody, every gym, every person wants to do it and I see it all over all the time. And like you can become a certified hyrocks coach now and teach people how to do it. I'm sure, I'm sure there's like a lot of techniques on what to do and how to do it, but it's pretty crazy how that has blown up. Yeah. Well, you see a lot of the CrossFit athletes that were very big in that space. They're actually coming Back over to Hy Rocks. And now that's their focus of training now. So it's like, as opposed to just training for the CrossFit Games, they're doing the Hyrox training instead. So obviously you have all these different athletes that have large reaches that are trying new sports and their fans and, you know, let's say they have 500,000 followers, million followers. They're going to be like Hyrox. I'm kind of interested in that. So now do you think it is so prevalent and so popular because everybody is doing it? Like, it's kind of. I think it's a lot of. I think it's a lot of people just being super interested of, like following the crowd of where the next fitness trend is. Yeah, know you kind of saw the birth of it lately in the last probably year to two years with like the run clubs and all that stuff. I think it's cool. I. I think it's cool to see different trends pop up. You know, for a long time it was like very, very cool to compete in bodybuilding. You know, men's physique, bikini. You saw tons of competitors in the mid-2000, mid 2010s, I'd say, so that scene was really popping off. And it's not that it's died down a lot. I think that sport has kind of weeded out the people that don't want to do the extra stuff to get to where they need to get to the Olympia stage and whatnot. Wink, wink, hint, hint. But obviously that still is pretty prevalent in CrossFit too. I mean, they don't test in CrossFit. So everybody's on gear, everybody's on something. Everybody in every sport, every single modality, whatever you call it, they're on steroids. Yeah, they're on a little something something. Oh, did you see topping the motor oil off. Did you see the Liver King documentary? I have not watched it with. Seen a couple of clips. I watched it with her yesterday and it was interesting because he was exposed, right. Two years ago by no more was it more plates, more dates. And I wanted to see what this guy did and how he did it in order to get this huge following and almost become a billionaire. Basically, he had a marketing team and they just use his platform and his message and just went nuts with it. Just like put it everywhere, did skits content, all this stuff. And of course he was on gear. Of course he was juiced out of his mind. When did he. I'm trying, I'm trying to cut in on You. I'm trying to figure out his net worth at his hiatus, like his high point. I mean, I think what they said on it was like 700 or 800 million, so. No, get the fuck out of. Yes. What point? Probably the height of his 2022. 2022? Yeah. That's when he was booming. Yeah. So net worth in 2025 is 310 million. I'm way off then. Okay. That's still a lot of money. I mean, who knows? Maybe it was higher at that point. And since he's obviously lost a lot of his steam, maybe he just sold a bunch of. And it used to be that much. It's very interesting because of what his background was. Like, he was already a scam artist to begin with. Like, he was, you know, Ryan Johnson. He was going into what. I won't spoil it for you or anybody because I want, you know, people to watch. It's pretty interesting. But he was a scammer to begin with, with what he was doing with gnc and, you know, know him selling drugs, apparently. But, you know, his whole message was him, you know, selling liver. Yeah, basically. And his whole message was, you can look like this if you do what I do, but no, it's. You're on gear, you're on hard drugs. He was on like, what was it, like $12,000 of a month, bro. Yeah, 12,000amonth stuff. Yeah. Steroids. What? Yeah. That's insane. It's pretty interesting. So crazy. And I wanted to see, like, what, what. How do these types of people get success and that much notice. Well, it's a sensationalism. It's. It's. It's unfortunately making the wrong people famous. And he and the marketing team behind him. So it was a lot of things. It was the marketing team, it was kind of preying on men, specifically of weak men and not knowing what to do with their lives or how to get a certain physique. And a lot of it was, you know, just the content and the craziness and the viral posts. And this whole time I'm wondering, I'm like, how is it possible for. For this guy to fool all these people? It happens all the time, though. That's the fortunate side of it. I agree with you wholeheartedly. It just. That's the unfortunate side of the entertainment industry and, and how much and how far a marketing team can actually go for you. Yeah. Where. How far they can actually push your public image, whether in. In the. In the light or the dark side of it, whatever it might be. And they can really just with. With a certain amount of marketing dollars behind that push, they could push you to be one of the most recognized faces in the world. Yeah. Whether for good or for bad. I mean, I hate to just like, I hate to bring up people like this, but like, take Kim Kardashian, bro. Nobody knew her before she fucked him on camera. Ray J. I don't even know that's who it was. Nobody knew her. I'm saying, how much is she worth now? Crazy. And people will feed into that name like it's the new thing is Josh. Block this kid on. On TikTok. I hate to just throw like all these names out there, but I don't have anything. I don't like, dislike the kid, but he's a kid who's like special needs. And these people fuck with him on the Internet. Okay, I get it. The videos are funny. They yell at him, put the fries in the bag. And he runs at them. I make more money than you and all this shit. Does he do it with his dad? No, no, no. He's like in the wild. Yeah, he's in the wild. And listen, I think a lot, some of it is authentic, or maybe in the beginning it was authentic. But then obviously, as the skit runs on, I'm sure to some capacity. I don't know how mentally challenged he is or not capable in that sense he is, but I'm sure at some point he's leaning into it to play that character. How many people have to play the character that they became famous on? How long could Liver King stay in skit? I wouldn't be shocked if he leaked his own fucking records to just, I can't do it anymore. I can't eat this shit anymore. Imagine he's just like behind the scenes. He's like, I can't. I can't eat raw liver anymore and pretend like I'm this person anymore. It's just not natural. Like, we don't live in the stone ages anymore. I'm not. I don't. Like, I'm very fortunate. We're very fortunate that we don't have to go in the wild and hunt a bowl and rip its testicles off and eat it. Like, you know, it's. It's pretty self explanatory. Like I can easily go to the grocery store and get a steak and make it like it's not that hard. But like, I get like the whole message behind it because of our roots, of us as human beings, but we're not in the stone. Yeah, it Ain't that anymore. It ain't that anymore. Although I do think it's pretty cool in terms of like being able to be self sustaining to some extent. Yeah. Live off the land, be self sustained. Yeah, that's cool. But I'll tell you what, man, if I see a cold stone, I want to stop and eat. I want to get a little cold stone, man. That's the throwback. That's the throwback. I actually want to hunt because I want to give. Get some meat for Kenji. For those that don't know if you're watching the live stream. The wolf underneath the. I have a wolf underneath the. The task of £100. Akita. Yeah. So he's just kind of hanging out down there. But I would love to be able to get. I'd have to do when I have a home because I don't have any room for it right now. But I'd love to be able to get just a chest freezer and just throw meat in there from a hunt. Have you ever seen my friend Thosh Collins? Nope. So shout out to Thosh. He is cool as can be because he, that's basically what he does. He hunts. He works out sick. He works out really well. Like he does a lot of fast twitch like workouts, but he basically goes out and hunts. This guy's like a modern day like Indian Native American hunter. Like it's, it's pretty cool. Does he bow hunt or is he shoot. Does he hunt with that? I think he, I think he bow hunts. The bow hunters are crazy. Yeah. So he basically hunts whatever it is, deer or anything. He makes videos about how he cuts them, how he serves them, how he does it. It's pretty cool. It's very interesting. Yeah, I don't know how I'd feel. I. I've had this conversation with Jamal before on the podcast. I don't know how I would feel about killing an animal. I feel like I would be a little about certain things. I think, I think if you're using it for food, I think then it's okay if you're just killing it just to kill it or if you're killing it just to get a trophy. I don't agree with that. I think like the big game hunters in app that go to Africa, they kill a lion. Yeah. That's in a, in a pen essentially. It's in like an actual reserve. Yeah, I don't agree with that. Like if you're like on a farm and if you're in somewhere and you, you know, you are Using deer meat to feed your family, then, okay, I could see behind that. But if you're doing it to kill a lion or an elephant, like, a majestic creature, like, and you're not eating it, you're just. You're just posting on Instagram, like, hey, I just killed this beautiful lion. Like, wow, look at me. Like, that's. Like that. It just goes back to, like, how animals, they kill each other because of natural selection. Like, if a crocodile ate a gazelle, all right, well, the crocodile has to eat. You can't. Like, you see videos like that on Instagram. People like, oh, well, why didn't they save the gazelle? Why did they. Why didn't they go in the water and try to save it? It's a crocodile. It's got to eat. That thing is going to rip your hand off and kill you instead. It's not thinking about, oh, the poor little gazelle. No, like, if it's natural selection, that's different. But, yeah, if you're. If you video of the. The gorillas fighting in the zoo and this woman in the background just goes, someone get the zookeeper. The fuck is he going to do? Yeah, jump in there and start slugging them, too. Tranquilizer. Oh, my God. Somebody go get Mike Tyson. Get Tyson in there. Just hitting the ribs of the gorilla. Just getting in there. Mike Tyson having tigers as a pet. I mean, evidently that's a trend with famous people. They just have these exotic animals as pets. I don't know, most of them don't even have regular dogs. You jump right to a leopard or some shit, that's a big jump. And animals are very interesting because them, they don't feed off money or nothing. They're just primal. They're just hanging out, not paying rent. We're out here, we're the fucking suckers. Word. We're out here paying rent on everything, taxes on everything. Lion's just in the safari, just chilling with his hands covered and looking at all these gazelles like, ah, look at all this free food. Yeah, I think. I think I'll chase one in an hour. Just gonna enjoy this sun on my balls real quick. Just fucking spread it out, man. I kind of. Kind of selling it for me. I mean, I may have to go to the Serengeti. You might. What happened to Nick? He sold everything. He's just laying out there with the lions. He's become one of the pride. What do you think about the ocean? Whoa. Okay, go on. What do you think about the ocean? I think it's terrifying. I think It's. I mean, I think it's the scariest place on the planet. Well, what's the. What's the statistic? It's that we know more about space. What percentage. We know more about space than, like, like 20% of our oceans or some shit? Yes. Yeah. So basically, we explore more of space than we do of the oceans and what's underneath and what's happening. Let's see. How much more space do we know than our oceans? Hopefully Gemini picks that up and he's like, dumb ass, this is what you meant to say? Oh, my God. Yeah, of course. The quote's not coming up. Unexplored oceans. Ocean depths are still 95% unexplored. That's wild. It's terrifying. That's crazy. Yeah. So I like the water. Like, when me and Sam went to Cancun for New Year's, like, the waves were like. There was like, a really bad rainstorm the night before, and the waves were nuts. They were. They were crazy. They were basically saying, don't go in the water. Like, do not do it. Like, and me, what do I do? I go in the water? Well, it's a Cabo thing. You can't go in the water in Cabo either. Yeah, it's very dangerous. So the lifeguards. It's Mexico. They don't. They don't give a crap. They don't care. Like, they're like, all right, whatever. All right, well, Sam's just, like, watching me. She, like, has her eyes on me, like, all right, if he gets sunken in, then I'm gonna go in. I'm gonna try something. So the waves are just crazy. They were so much fun. They were just like. It was like, adrenaline rush. Yeah. So I look back at Sam, and I'm like. I'm like 20, 30ft, like, going this way. I'm like, wait, wasn't I over there? And then all of a sudden, I feel my foot just get, like, caught. I'm like, oh, no. So I just started going back. It's not worth it. It was fun, though. Your mind starts playing games on you. And what could be in the depths of. Yes, the drift is crazy with. With certain places like that, Cabo, you couldn't go in the water. The. The actual current will just take you halfway the beach before you even realize. Yeah. And that's. You have a fixated location. And then people try to paddle against it as opposed to just go directly to shore where they are. They try to get back to their other location, then they tire themselves. Out they drown. I. You ever play this fishing game, Dredge? I've heard of it. You know, I downloaded on the PC because I heard it was great. It is so much fun. I want to replay it. It's great. It's like really simple fishing game. And you make money. Fish and you make money. But it's. It's really interesting because the ocean is so scary that you may never know what is beneath you. That's why it's like, so terrifying but amazing at the same time. My cousin from Argentina, she's actually a marine biologist. So this girl swims with sharks all the time. Like, yay. I'm just gonna go in and take pictures of sharks. Like, she loves it. She loves it. And it's so like, scary and amazing at the same time because, like, as 5% of the ocean has been explored, we found so many species of, like, fish and everything that's happening. Like, but what is really, really deep down below in the whole oceans or what's like the biggest fish creature that's ever. That is here today? Besides, like the whale? Maybe there's something deep down below that's. That's there. It's pretty crazy. Well, there are people that say the Meg, like the Megalodon and all different stuff. Yeah, there are people. I'm just trying to pull up this just to see. All right, there we go. Cool. There are people that say that that is still somewhat in existence. We've just not been able to see it yet. Now. I wouldn't be shocked. I wouldn't be shocked. The other lore is that there's. We haven't really actually found Atlantis and all these other cities, they're just staying kind of off the beaten path away from us because there is such. Such an ability to do so. I don't know. Where do we go from here? The Mariana Trench. Right? The Mariana Trench, or whatever it's called. Marianne Trench, whatever it's called. Yeah, that's that. I think that's off the East Coast. That's right over here. So we haven't explored anything besides putting down the cable that connects Europe to the United States. I forget what that is. It's a transatlantic cable. But is it. Is it for Internet? I think it's for Internet. I don't know. But anyway, besides just doing that, where do you go? I mean, they tried to send those fucking guys down to see the Titanic in that sardine can and they blew up. So we obviously don't have the, like, the correct technology to. To really. Well, that was also privatized but we also. What was it called? The little submarine of like the five people. Yeah, it was like Ocean Gate type. Yes, yes, the billionaires. And they like, imploded. Yeah, yeah, that's great. I just saw a new video of that where. I'm laughing. I'm not laughing at them. I'm just saying it's like fucking insane. The. The wife of the guy who owns the company or something like that, she was watching the actual radar and you hear the bl up. And she looks at the guy to her right, and she was just like. What was that? Like, they're just. And he. He kind of like looks around, looks at the other guy over his shoulder, bro. And then they. They drip. But the fact that you heard that and then they dragged that on for days. Oh, no, no, no. They're alive. We promise. We promise. No, they were. No, they were. They're very gone. They were disintegrated. Their insides and everything were just like. Like literally just like melted, like sh. That's it. Like pink. Pink? Yeah, just a mist. Dust. Yeah. Hello. What is that? Hello? I don't know what that is. Anyway. Telemarketer. How's your car insurance going today? Coming on my. My Tik Tok stream. That's crazy. We have a business opportunity. No, you're not allowed to join my stream. Get the fuck out of here. It's just me and Julie and Mr. Kenji. What was I going to say about that? I think the other crazy part about that whole thing is how many times they're going to make the same Titanic documentary. How many times do we need to see it? Yo, we get it. The ship sunk. It's down there. It sucked. We. We get it. Like every two years we got another documentary coming out. This new 3D scan, bro. I've seen the ballroom. I get it. I saw Leo on the ship too, okay? I saw him on the ship. It was great. It was redone perfectly. I don't need to see any more. Let that shit just like lay there. Unless you're gonna bring that up. Unless you're gonna bring it up to the surface. We're gonna make a museum out of it. And I can go. I go check it out. It's cool. We get it. Go. Go explore other shit. Go use those funds for some other crazy shit. Yeah, go find those airplanes that disappeared that we can't find. I want to see that shit. Bermuda Triangle? Yeah, Bermuda Triangle, man. The conspiracy theory is that is a portal to another world. I mean, I've seen some crazy Videos. But nowadays you can't believe jack shit because of AI. You really can't. The Google really just fist fucked us with Google Vo. That is just going to be the demise of any, of any type of belief system when it comes to what we see and what we perceive as real on the Internet. It's, it's, it's kind of over. It really is. Because today is the worst that like today right now is the worst that AI will ever be right now. Think about it. In a week, in a month, in a year. It's terrifying. I use Chat GPT just to make like the little cartoon animation stuff. Yeah. But sometimes like, I'll put it in like, hey, like, how can I market my business better? And I think that is a great. And juice. In two seconds it'll be like, well, this is what you should do. It gives me like 20 different ideas with just different niches. Or the Instagram algorithm. It's pretty cool right now. It is pretty scary though. It's, you know, it's pretty nuts how fast it gets everything done. But once again, it's the worst that it's ever going to be today. Yeah. So at what point do we start? Me personally, I think anything that's created with AI in terms of like video or photo renditions and what, or, or just the use of any of that, that needs to have a watermark on it. Created with AI. Yeah, you need to have some type of a worldwide understanding that there's a lot of really stupid people that aren't going to believe, that are going to believe what they see to a T on the Internet. There's even have. That, there's even sometimes where I'm looking at videos and it's like you could tell it's AI. Like some people may not see, like you could see like different things on the outlines or if it looks like cgi, it's like if you're watching a Godzilla movie, it's like, oh, well, this is clearly cgi. It's not a guy in a rubber suit. It's not somebody banging on toy buildings. No, it's literally an animation. But with AI, sometimes you have to like, look like, wait, is this real? Yeah, you gotta do that little double take. Is it real? No, it's not, but it's, it's pretty scary. Yeah. I mean, think about the rage bait that people put out nowadays. Terminator. Judgment Day. Oh, yeah, we're gonna have to fight these fucking things. That's really what I'm training for at this point. I'm Just training to be able to do these things. But none of my Jiu Jitsu training is gonna help me against a Terminator. So I guess, I guess I'm back to the sandbags with you. That's going to be the only thing. Just suplexing Terminator crush grip, baby. Just triple extend. Boom. Smash. That's it. Every Terminator smash. T1000. T. Now the T. Yeah. T1000, T1000. The, the villain one was, that was like a body shifting Terminator where it could match people's like identity, not creepy things up. T8000, T800. I think that was Arnold. That was like, just like a regular Terminator bot. That's scary. Yeah. I mean, once again, where do we go from here? That's, that's the question. Where does it go from here? And, and how, how crazy is it going to get before we all kind of just collectively say, all right, we need some regulation. We need some regulation with the amount, with what is being pushed out into the world. That's really what it comes down to. Human nature. It's never enough. I think there's going to revert us back. I think it's going to revert us back to a more not primitive state, but I think it's going to revert us back to a more neutralized, less, less dependent on the Internet for everything. Because at what point are we going to not, like I said, not believe everything that we see? So people just are going to start going outside and touching grass instead. Fake video after fake video. It's okay. I'm good. Yeah, I'm all set on my Internet consumption today. Well, it's a lot of, it's a lot of saturation with what we're seeing on social media, like what we always talk about. People are just mindlessly, like looking at stuff all day and they don't even realize they're doing it. So that's why I'm big on whatever you allow yourself to see on Instagram or Tick Tock. Like that's very vital to your health and your mentality, you know? But even like what I do with kettlebells with everything, like, it's very saturated. Everybody's doing the same thing. It's like, basically, who's better than the other or who's teaching better than the other? It's like, it's very saturated. So most of the time people are just getting shoved so much stuff in their face and they're like, well, I don't know what to believe. I don't know what to do. Like, why am I. So many contradictory contradicting points. One guy says you should hold the kettlebell like this. You say you should hold the kettlebell like this. Yeah. Sam says you should hold the kettlebell like this. And then somebody just goes, I don't know what the to do. And then they have a paralysis by option. Yeah, it's a lot of. It's a lot of saturation, and that's even in regular gyms. Because in regular gyms, what differentiates you from other trainers or from the manager, from what they're doing? Like, do you know a certain skill? Do you know how to use sandbags? Do you know how to, like, I don't know, fix back pain? Do you know how to. Well, it comes down. It also comes down to the actual person themselves, because people buy into people. It's hot in here, right? That's all right. It always gets hot in here. Yeah, it's okay. It's because the computer, the lights, everything. It gets hot. Hot as hell in here. I need to, like, bust a wall open. And I mean, it's also going to be June, so I should have wore shorts and a T shirt. But I also have a hoodie on, so I'm a dumbass anyway. You always have a hoodie on, so show your muscles. No, no, it's too. Hide my love handles. I have love handles. Yeah, but you're different. I can grab them. No, that's different. They're still love handles. Yeah, different, though. So when you could pick up a almost £400 sandbag, it's different. 380, 383. 80. 380. Me. Yeah, all of us. All of us. Heck. So. Yeah, so it becomes very difficult. It becomes very difficult to, like, separate yourself and listen. Everybody wants to be an influencer now. How many people have podcasts? So people buy into people and like to watch people that they just. That they enjoy to watch. Yeah, you know, it's. No. Somebody could watch me right now. You can watch me on TikTok, and you might hate everything that I'm saying. You may hate my voice, may hate what I look like. Don't matter to me. It's cool. But then the next person that comes through, they may like it. And the person that left already because they couldn't stand me, they may f. They may scroll and find another guy that does a podcast they really enjoy. It's just. It's all personal preferences on the side of, like, the straight influencer base, where a lot of these influencers probably just people will say, you're just saying that even though you're sort of like in that space with the podcast, I'm not really pushing anything. I'm just hanging out. But anyway, a lot of the influencers that I see nowadays though, with the AI, they have AI influencers now and that. Oh, yeah, it's. Dude, not real, bro. It's exactly like the influencers that you see that you just wind up scrolling past. You just go. You can almost not tell the difference. It's so crazy. There was a video of a girl vlogging at Coachella, and obviously it's not updated to what Coachella looks like right this second. It's an. It's a. It's a. A prompt and something that was conceptualized within the AI itself, but probably gathering previous year photos and videos and whatnot. I'll tell you, man. Ah. If you are an influencer and you're not really like, interesting and you don't really bring any value to the table to stuff like that, that is scary. That shit's gonna replace you in four seconds. I mean, it's just like entertainment. It's just like, what are you doing that I cannot see in a movie or a TV show? It's like I watch TV shows. I watch movies to be entertained. Like horror movies, Avengers movies, TV shows, comedies. Like, that's what I watch to be entertained when I'm on Instagram and when I'm doing stuff, I use it. We both use it for business. I use it to create and to teach people and to show people how to get really strong. But it's like what I'm intaking is, you know, I don't want to look at skits. I don't want to look at stupid stuff all day. Maybe here and there, like funny memes and stuff. Yeah, of course. But like my. I don't want my whole feed to just be of nonsense in this of, you know, garbage. Like, that's why I can't do Tick Tock. Because Tick Tock is like just mindlessly scrolling and looking at different skits of people and what they're doing. It's. It's just like melting my brain. I. I can't. I can't do that, you know? Yeah. One of the hard things about Tick Tock and you know, if anybody's here watching, listening, whatever. I don't know if they are. I can't even see. But anyway, one of the difficult things with TikTok is because it is such a quick hit platform. Like, just quick hit with the clips. Yeah. They don't really build some. Some creators they will. I'll say there are some creators that they definitely do. But I would say most of the people that follow accounts, they don't really build, like an actual engagement style relationship with the person that they followed. Yeah. Especially with like a channel like mine, with the podcast clips. Some people may follow because they saw a clip of you. Some people may follow because they saw a clip of that, of the dude Beethoven that I trained with at Sarah's. Some people may follow because Jamal. And then when I do a live, they go, oh, I thought it was the other dude show because I saw that clip of him or something like that. And then there's really no correlation sometimes and they don't really stick around. And a lot of these, the 53,000 followers that I have on here, how 52, however many I have, that doesn't really correlate to 52,000 subscribers on my YouTube that are actually going to watch the full episode and chill and like give feedback and ask questions. We. We watched. Me. Sam watched another documentary yesterday. It was a Deadly American Marriage. So basically a guy from Ireland had two wives. One was from Ireland with his two kids, biologically, and another one was from America. So the first wife died from an asthma attack. Asthma attack. And they were saying that he probably strangulated her or they. He killed her. And then when he moved to America, to the States with this other chick, she was basically trying to prove that he was abusive, he was aggressive. She put cameras all over the house. She found proof of him being aggressive, and they ended up killing him. Because there was like an altercation that happened between the d. The guy and his wife. The woman's father came there, he beat him on the. On the head with a bat, and they just like, beat him. So merc. Mercifully Merc. Mercilessly. Whatever his skull was in was in pieces. Like, the amount of force and trauma you need to put to a human skull to do that is a lot. So they just brutally murdered this dude. But in the trial in the thing, these people got 20 to 25 years in prison. But then new evidence came out that maybe the other guy was the aggressor. So they got them out of jail. But it was like a topsy turvy of, you know, new evidence on this side. New evidence on this side. Oh, the dad's bad. Oh, the mom's bad. It was so back and forth that, like, we were just like, oh, my God, I'm on the guy side. No, wait, now I'm on the wife's side. Long story short, when the kids finally testified against these people, the judge with the second trial, they had another trial, they got arrested again, put in trial, got like three years in prison. And even the judge, he's like, honestly, like, I don't even know what's happening. I. I can't different differentiate who's in, who's in, who's guilty or who's nice. I gotta know what to believe. So he's like, all right, do some time in jail and that's it. But, like, even with this type of stuff, you. You don't know the truth. You don't know what to believe. Or, you know, like, they could be looking at. At me like, oh, it's Tom Show. Like, no, it's not. I'm just a clip of the guest. Like, it's Nick Show. You know, it's. It's just funny how, like. Well, it's the perception of whoever's watching it and viewing it and what they. What they're seeing it as. That's really what it is. That's what you're saying? Yeah, yeah, it's. I don't know. It's. The social media thing's an interesting world. Like. Like, we kind of started with. It's almost like making the wrong people famous in a lot of different areas. And then you just. Then. Then, you know, four years down the line, they're just like, okay, yeah, I don't know why we fed into that person or the. The Liver king and all this stuff. I. It's, It's. It's a very interesting world of who people gravitate towards. If it's the sensationalism, if it's because they rage bait, if it's because they're entertaining, it's just very weird, the psychology behind that form of entertainment. 2012 is when I think Instagram and social media really started popping off. Snagging the energy drink. Keep talking. Yep. Is when social media really started popping off with Instagram, with Facebook, because there was like, MySpace and there was Facebook, but then I believe I had Instagram when I was 16 years ago. So whatever year that is, because I remember making it. I was in Maine and with my family. I can't remember the year. So, you know, that's when a lot of these famous influencers start coming out. It was mainly bodybuilding, it was mainly fitness. So now, that was a long time ago, but these people are still on drugs. Like, they never stop. So now. Thank you. So now all those problems and all those health issues they're coming out and about today. So, you know, they did all this fame and all this stuff for fortune and views and selling supplements, but now it's like, was it really all worth it? Because now your health is in shambles. You're not really the next shiny red ball thing. Like the shiny new shiny red ball, like, you know, oh, wow. It's another shiny thing. Oh, wow. That's another of this. Oh, well, you know, I don't give a crap about Johnny Walker, John, sky, whatever his name is. Because now he. I remember seeing him now he has. He's a kid who was famous on YouTube and Instagram. He looked ripped. He looked. He looks sick now. He has swelling in, like, his hands and his feet. Like he has congested. Congestive heart failure. But he's young, and now he's having these really bad health issues. So it's really all those drugs and all that fame worth it when you're gonna die in 15 to 20 years, you know, relative. It's nuts. I hear a lot of guys. I've said it countless times. I. I hear a lot of guys say, I'd rather live 40 years as a lion than 80 as a sheep. And then they're fucking begging for people to hit their GoFundMe because they don't want to die, because they're having organ failure, because they've pounded steroids or pounded. You see all these food influencers throughout all social media. These people that are 3, 400 pounds and they're just plugging away, just eating, eating, eating, and then one of them dies. I want to live 80 years as, like a gorilla or as a rhino. Just want to hang out, bro. I don't know how many years we. I just want to hang out while I'm doing it. I just want to drink a couple energy drinks here and there, drink some water. I want to live to be home. Spring's not my favorite, but it's better than purified water. Spring water is better than purified water. Word. I want to live like a hippo. Just, like, fast. Like a hippo. Like, it's fast. It's brolic eats food. It's a little chubby. So you're already living like a hippo? Kind of. Yeah. So you already embodying it? Literally, I'm embodying a hippo. Cause it's very powerful and very tough, but it's also soft and, you know. Yeah. Run fast. Yeah. Before we change topics to trainer, I actually wanted to. I told you when you walked in, I wanted to get your take on this because I. Yes, yes. I was scrolling on Reddit and I couldn't believe it. You know Sydney Sweeney? You know this? That is Blanchard. Yeah, she boobs. Euphoria. Yeah, Blanchard. Big boobs. So everybody knows her. Okay, Sorry, I mean your mo. What? You've leaned into pile by always having them out. Sydney Sweeney releases a limited edition soap made of her actual bath water. That's gross, brother. What? Yeah, I don't know. She posted. You kept asking about my bath water from the Dr. Squatch ad. So we kept it. Introducing Sydney Sweeney's. That was Jennifer. No, the chick who played Iron Man's wife. Gwyneth Paltrow. Yes. She sold her vaginas Smell Candle. That's fucking crazy one girls. That is so crazy. One girl sold her farts in a jar. She made like 250 a year. All right, I gotta speak to the men of the world right now. Gentlemen. Now that's. That's like. That's like some only fan stuff. That's like. That's like if somebody DM'd her. I was like, hey, like, you know you had a ad on the soap thing, but I want like your personal like body odor. I want your personal skin. Like I saw your leg day. I saw your leg day routine and I just couldn't help notice that your socks were drenched. Do you mind sending them? See, Kenji agrees. He wants the socks. But that's. That's kind of what it is. That's not like a product that you should sell. That's like something that she would just do on her own. That's very weird, brother. Let me tell you something. Yeah, that's very. Let me tell you something. One of the. One of the hardest things for me to understand is the. I'm gonna use it. The simping that these dudes do. Thank you, Kenji. The period on that just to be. Just to try to be noticed or just to be creepy in general. Oh, they want. They want intimacy, they want love, they want romance. And they think that buying something like that is going to give it to them. Oh well, if I buy her soap, her body odor soap, then she'll notice me. Like now that's. There's a website called Ensemble. My man Tom's on there. Go buy yourself a kettlebell. Get his training. You won't be lonely anymore. At least you have Tom yelling at you about proper kettlebell form. And I'm. Listen, I don't talk a lot of shit about Onlyfans Girls. I just am not a fan of that morally Wise, I mean, I don't hate on them. Do what you're gonna do. This is your choice. The Internet's forever. So if you are naive enough to think that your asshole shot is in ever going to be scrubbed fully from the Internet, it's always going to be there. It just is. It is what it is. That's just how. This is how the Internet works. So that, that's what you have in that, in that stance of it. The problem though is it's not the girls that you have to like reprimand and yell at. It's the guys that feed into that shit. It's the dude that sends a random chick just because he's attracted to her $5,000 for just existing. That's the problem. And that is we got to, societally, we got to like start bringing back shaming of the dudes that lean into that. You're paying 299 to see this girl do basically what she does on Instagram, just without the top. Now, come on, bro. What do we. What are we, what are we doing? It just goes back to that. Men as preying on weak men. Like weak men, they want love, they want interaction. They want a woman that's going to cherish them and is going to take care of them and bring us back to our roots. Like it was in the 40s and the 50s. 40s. The 30s. The 40s and 50s is where men went to war and they had wives. And you know, there's the famous picture of the soldier kissing the woman as he's literally taking off on the train. That's love. Like that. Or when they came home after Times Square. Yes, but that was. They weren't. That was a random chick, I think. I think my man just planted one on her. Oh, then no, then one of the pictures, I think that's the. That was the start. That was the start of it all right there. But like they were looking to come home to these women and these women were looking to cherish them and love them and cook for them and when they are coming back from war, literally. So, you know, they would get married, they would build a family. And that is deep down what all these people want. Hi, Kenji. How are you, buddy? Yes. How are you, buddy? Can I pet you? Sorry, Kenji break. I can pet you. This is the first time I'm ever petting his dog. They're not gonna be able in like five years. He's like a shark. He's like just like moving around. Yeah, he's just figuring shit out. He's big as hell for those that. That can. Well, you can't see. But you make an Instagram for him. I wanted to. It's just more shit to post. It's just exhausting. Hi, buddy. How you doing? You good? You good? Yeah. Where is it? There he is. He's right here. He's literally right here, right next to me. He's a big. Just a big floof. Here's his tail. It's a big ass dog. There's his tail. Touch that. Oh, okay. You might not like that. I mean, he's chilling, right? Yeah. He wants you to pet him. So anyway. Yeah, so. Yeah. What I was going back to. Yes. So how. Going back to. You were going back to a more. A more traditional type of household and role. Yeah. In society. Yes. And that is what all these people are craving now with women, with what they're doing. Some of them are just doing it for the money, but some of them are doing it for the attention, for the connection of these men and men. It's the same thing. They are doing it because they want a woman in their life, Somebody that they can talk to, somebody that they can be with and that they want to cherish. And it. It's unfortunate with social media, with the Internet, that it is easily ac. Accessible to them if they have money to pay for it. So I believe that everybody needs love. Everybody deserves love, Everybody needs God, everybody needs faith in their life. And they need to get back to that traditional route because that is ultimately what is going to give them happiness. If you give a man a home with his children, with his woman and with his family, he will be a lot more happier, the happiest he has been in his life. Rather than him just sitting on the couch and just looking at only fans and giving all his money and his savings towards that girl. Because that unfortunately does happen. Oh, it does happen. It is. I know people that. I know people that not. Not have spent their life savings on it, but I know people that have actively. What are you eating? Hey, leave you Paula. That have actively paid for only fans memberships. And I just. That's. It's a roast session. I just. I can't do it. I can't. I can't fathom just spending money on a random chick like that. It's just insane. Just, just. Just for existing. Now, there was some. There's some girl that makes a ton of loot. I forget her name. Some of them make a million dollars a month. A month? A month. Well, there was one that. That said that One guy has spent like 4 million on her, and they've never seen she. They never, like, actually seen each other at that point. I'm pretty sure that's a money laundering scheme. I'm pretty sure my dad. My dude's washing money. Oh, yeah, Yeah. I think it. Was that a write off entertainment? Is that what it's probably. Maybe we're doing it wrong. I think one of the UFC fighters, he started doing only fans too, and he said he makes more money doing that than he does in the ufc and fighting, it's nuts. But sex sells. That's the sad part, you know, that's why on Instagram, you know, women who show their bodies and show their shoulder routine, but it's really just there, but, you know, people feed into that shoulder. Day, but the camera's pointed directly at her ass. And that's what people. That happen. Why is that like that? Oh, the cat. Oh, the tripod sags. Oh, my God, I hate when that happens. Was like really high up and then it just went down. It's. I swear. Yeah, it's. It's. I swear I didn't. I did it for me. I did it for me. And yeah, it's just, It's. You can laugh at it, but you could just like, kind of ponder. It's like, you know, it's. It's crazy how that sells and that will get people going. Same thing with Deliver King. Like, he looks great on. In the eyes, you know, Like, I mean, some. Apparently to people, he does, you know, not to us, but he, you know, he. He looks gross. Like my guy. My guy looked like he needed to stretch and have a bath. That's what he looked like to me. Every time I saw him pop up my. On my. For you or whatever, I was just like, man, we got to get this guy a bar of soap. And people are looking at, like, his body and like, wow, I want to look like that. Like, oh, my God, it's scary. He's one of the guys that looks uncomfortable. Like when there are just muscular dudes that you could tell. I don't know if it's Synthol, I don't know what it is, but they're just uncomfortable and they're just always flex. It's like, brother, relax. Relax your ass cheeks, bro. It's big insecurity issues. Yeah, they're never happy with how they look. And, you know, bodybuilding is that, oh. I'm never happy with how I look either. So let's just face that demon head on. Why? I don't Because. Because I've. I've swung on all spectrums of weight and size and looks. So it is very. It does become difficult for me to have a good relationship with food. But at the same time. Except that there are seasonal changes in my body where sometimes I may be really lean, sometimes I may be a little heavier. My imaginary glasses. Okay. Would you like to dissect this? It's psychological shit, bro. It's psychological when you go from 270 pre diabetic in 10th grade to 190 over the course of the next four years back to 240. 240 in a year to 150. 150 back up to 180, bro. It just. It's the rollercoaster ride of just seeing how different your body has been in all of these different areas. So it stems from childhood, which most stuff does. Like me, I was bullied. So when I was young and I wanted to off myself, I put a knife to my throat and that. It doesn't affect me today, but that was a big thing in my childhood. So usually. Sometimes with that, it's. Usually it stems from something within between ages of 7 and 13. That's when you start to more impressionable ages. Correct. Yeah. So. All right. So it stems from childhood. So the food and the weight fluctuation, that's what's kind of like. Well, yeah, I mean, listen, when I was doing. Oh, you know, OG and I was going to. You shouts to Taylor last class. That was cool yesterday. T Fresh. That was a scorcher. T Fresh, but a mean Darth Choke like seven years ago. I'm trying to get him back on the mats. He was savage, dude. Yeah, he was really good. Trying to get him back on the mats. He looked like. He literally looked like Captain America. He's awesome. Yeah, he was just brolic and he had a sick dark choke. Really good. Yeah, I gotta. I gotta. I keep trying to hit your move and I keep it up. I gotta show you. Yeah. Stuff in the head, throwing the arm through. Yeah, it's. It's really. It's really going over the head. I'll just say really quick going over the head while they are covered up in half guard as you're going over the head. Snow gee night tonight. So I need this. So as you're going over the head, right, you're stuffing their. Their head with your bicep. You're grabbing on the inside arm as you do that, you have that control. Just start to slide that hand in. Start to slide that hand in and Grab. Yeah, grab here and then just let go and then alternate. Just do that. I get anaconda chokes that I like. Anaconda jokes are fun. I like those Josh hanger, especially when. They go turtle and you just. You just shoot it through. For those that don't know what we're talking about. It's. It's Jiu Jitsu stuff. Josh Henger, when he did a seminar back at my. My gym years ago, he had a sick guillotine series. And I actually got his DVD and I watched it and his. It was sick. You could hit guillotines from so many different positions. And the anaconda choke, that was one of the things that he showed us and like went into an anaconda. You could transition to the darts. It's pretty cool. I gotta get you to Sarah's, man. You know what it's. I want. I mean, I realized, like, because over the past five years I've been like getting into conversations about it of going back to it with different people and like, you know, just like go randomly. But it's like my. I've realized I'm like. My head isn't into getting into it as much as I thought I was. So unless I am like fully driven to get back into it and live that lifestyle again, I'm not gonna do it. So. But what I will say is, you know, whatever happens or whatever decide with my gym, as I'm three years in and now it's like the next. Next story and next page in the chapter, what I'm going to do with it. It's either I open it up and there is a Jiu Jitsu gym around the corner or somewhere close to my vicinity or I make a mat. I think west side, west side barbell just made like a Jiu jitsu cage. Cage. Have that in my gym. And then I have a black belt come in and teach and give them opportunity. Then I'm their student and I'm big with just. If I'm gonna have a coach, I need somebody who lives and breathes and dies it. And they are what they preach. I don't wanna have somebody that isn't a savage. I don't wanna have somebody that isn't able to literally just like, you know, school me in every single possible way. Because I. I hold myself to an elite style standard. If I was gonna hire a strength and condition coach, he needs to be the top of the line line. So when I. And when I would go. If I'm gonna go to a jiu jitsu gym. Then it really depends on the coach and it really depends on, you know, certain factors of life. But. But it was. Listen, it was, it was great. It was such an amazing experience. I love it, dude. I fell in love. I fell in love. I never thought I would like it. And to be honest with you, before I talked to you about it, I kind of just went and signed up and then I realized, I remember I was like, oh, Tom used to compete. Totally forgot. Didn't even realize. Yeah, man, I used to be there. I used to live and breathe it all the time. Right now, dude, I go fucking out basically every. Basically every day. That's why last night was totally different training. I did, you know, they did, they did. They did two rounds, 50 seconds on, 50 seconds off. But it was alternating with your partner. So it was on the ski, on the rower, 50 seconds on. Then you get off there, your partner gets on, 50 seconds on, and the next set is 40 seconds. You go 40, 30, 20, 10, and then you go back from 50. So it's two rounds, 50 down. He did that on the ski. The erg one was Devil presses. Oh, it sucks. Yeah, Devil presses. And then the other one was running on the, on the assault, the assault runner. And then the other one was Bart. Toe taps with the bar and then thrusters. Yeah, that's what I want. I would love to have a gym where it has both. It has jiu jitsu mats and it has the strength and conditioning room. So. Yeah, man, it's. It was great. It was such a fun time and it was. It really molds you into a man. It really does. I recommend every single dude should do jiu jitsu. Women too, like, oh, it's great. Self defense. Yeah, women too. 100 girls that I roll with that. Sarah's man, I. Obviously you're respectful to them and yeah, you don't give them all of your strength and all like the pressure that you normally would, but every now and then you do a little bit. Just this way they can feel if they ever have to defend themselves against a full grown man, they feel what it does feel like. And you have to, you have to give them that, but also let them work. You have to be. There's a, there's a clear line and distinction of the two. It's been great, man. I, I just, I fucking love it. I'm talking about my ear for the last two weeks. I feel, I feel cool. I'm not draining it. You have to do. Why, bro? It's gonna harden up. It's Gonna harden up. Dude, let me say, what's up with this guy? Is he coming in here acting like he knows about ear drains? Where's your cauliflower ear? What happens? Because I knew. I knew I knew how to train. Whoa. What happens. Sir, the door is that way. What happens when you get the fuck out? It doesn't catch. All right, Purple belt one away. Dude, I did it for five years. I got no car for you. All right? Do you know why? Do you know why I've. I've gotten it? Like, the actual reason everyone keeps asking me, did I pull out of triangles or anything like that? No, Never pulled my head out like that. What I've been get the reason it started. I passed low on the ghee. My ears been rubbing against the ghee every time I pass. If Kai. Okay, if Kai. Flower ear isn't drained, the accumulated blood can harden, leading to scar tissue. Formation of permanent deformity of the ear sheet. This deformity is also per. Is often permanent. Is not treated within a week, the cartilage can die, leading to misshapen of the ear that may even flop over. Elaboration. Cauliflower ear blood accumulates between the skin and cartilage. I hear nothing about necro. Necrosis of the tissue. Cartilage death. Yeah, cartilage death. All right. Permanent deformity. You can die. So I don't get it again. So maybe it doesn't get infected. All right? I mean, I think truthfully, I think it gets infected if you drain it and then you go roll and then the. Oh, yeah, that's. Or they put a button in it. I think that's what they call it. To put a button stitch in it. Well, I mean, if you get cough area, then people will be afraid of you. So there you go. Yeah, I'd like some type of. You know, I smile at everybody on the street, so I'd like some type of a physical intimidation factor. Or maybe they just think I'm fucking deformed. I was like, oh, that poor child. That's true, though. When you go into. A mother must have drank. When you see somebody walking around, you're going to a place, you see a guy with coffee or, you know, not to mess with him. You're like, oh, he's. He's the real deal. That'd be nice. That'd be a nice feeling. That'd be great. What were we talking about before? Gigi, you were trying. No, you were trying to get deep into my roots of why I don't. I never appreciate how I look. Oh, oh, oh. You were trying to get in. The psychological difference of it. I mean, it's really not that it is that deep, but it's really not that deep. My parents split up. I go to my father's house, and basically he just fed me. Like an asshole. He just fed me. My dad had Ms. He couldn't really do a lot of stuff. He worked as an iron worker all week. He didn't really want to go out and do things, or if he did, he'd buy my affection, and he'd buy me, like, trading cards and shit like that. Video games to keep me occupied. But then on top of it, he would just buy a bunch of junk food, and it would be like a fucking smorgasbord. Every weekend that I'd go to my dad's house, I'd come back, my mom would be like, are you. Are you heavier? What's going on? So it's. Yeah. So it's a childhood parent type of thing. So then how can we get you to be happy in your skin? I mean, I'm. I'm generally happy, but I feel like there's always more that I should or could be doing. Like, even when I. I'll tell you what the. This is how I know I was fucked up psychologically for. Are you sure you want to get into it? No, we don't have to. We don't have. No, that's all right. No, no, no, I'm joking. I'm joking. I don't care. I talked about my ass surgery on here. Are you kidding me? Give a. Oh, my God. Yes. When you had hemorrhoids. It wasn't a hemorrhoid, Bro, chill out, man. Was it put out fake on the Internet? What was it? That was it. It was called a fistula. It actually sounds worse than hemorrhoid. Fistula. Fistula. Yeah, look it up. Yeah. Fishula. How do you. Fistula. It's horrible. First off, when the doctor told me what it was, I said, brother, we're gonna have to use a different term because. Fistula. Fistula. Fistula. Anal fistula. Okay. An infected tunnel between the skin and the anus. There you go. What happens when you have a fistula? Fistula is an abnormal connection between two parts of the body or between a body part and the skin that allows fluid or tissue to pass between them. Can happen in your heart. Glad I got it in my butt. Pause. No. Diddy, have you kept up the day trial? No. All I know is. All I know is if I hear that man behind me. I'm running. When a fistula develops, it can lead to a various symptoms depending on its location and the nature of the underlying condition. Fluid or pus, leakage, pain, discomfort, swelling and redness. Incontinence. Systemic symptoms, infection. Damn. So that's what you had. Okay. Horrific. Yeah, yeah, I remember it. You were suffering. It was bad. Horrific. Yeah, yeah. When I came in, I shot photos for you and Bronson. Yeah. The day after my surgery, I'm in traffic in Queens. I just had butt surgery. Yeah. I'm, like, sweating. I'm wearing a man diaper. I'm like, oh, God, why is it so hot out here? Yeah, you. I remember. You were. Yeah, that wasn't. Yeah, yeah. Good times, man. Yeah, Good times. Never again. Yeah. That just fucking happened, Boy. What was I saying? I remember what you're saying. Why aren't you. How can we have you happy in your skin? Oh, yeah. I mean. Yeah. That. The. The tough portion of that whole scenario and fiasco was the fact that it was. My dad would pick me up. He'd pick. And, you know, I'm sure he has different viewpoints on the whole situation, but he'd pick me up for whatever. The weekend that I'd spend with him. We'd go get trays of sushi, Ben and Jerry's ice cream. I'd eat the whole pint. Now, there's a kid. Not active. Different. If you and I eat a pint of ice cream after we've rolled and done jiu jitsu or trained with kettlebells and sandbags and, like, that. Ran like pooch. Ran halfway across the world and came back just in time for lunch. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just. Dog, bro. He's a dog. So it's just. It's. It's different. This is a. This is a. A sedentary child that you're feeding thousands of calories to in an evening. And then he'd go to sleep after. I would be playing PlayStation 2 and just hanging out in his apartment. And then I'd. I remember I just go into his kitchen. He'd have chips, he'd have Hot Pockets. I do the whole thing. Hot Pockets. Like four or five Hot Pockets on top of more ice cream. So what I. What I do is when I see myself getting a little bit pudgier than usual, I go into just a little deficit. I just eat one less meal. So for people who are listening, if you want knowledge on nutrition and how I do it doesn't work. For everybody. But this is how I do it. I just eat one meal, one less meal a day. So if I'm going from eating three or four meals a day, I will eat two or three. So like today I just ate

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42. I have to go back to the gym. I have to work. I'll probably eat like one more big meal and that's pretty much it. Like I'll just eat twice. And that helps me cut weight, that helps me cut, trim fat and that helps me just has my muscles pop a little bit more. You don't have any problems with the way that you train, energy and whatnot? Nah man, I don't have any. Nah. I mean there's some days I do like some days I just. It's whether if I don't sleep enough or if I'm tired but I still do something. I still. The days that I know that I'm fatigued, that I didn't get enough sleep, or if I just feel shot, I'll just do like a cardio based workout. I'll just do mad reps of stuff. Because my body cannot physically or mentally output that much power to deadlift 700 or to do a 150 snatch overhead, I can't do that. But for the most part I could train every day. Like it's, it's, it's just more of like a mental thing. It's more like a psychological thing. Like a lot like how a lot of things are with people. But it's to where what we're talking about now, like psychologically like with me, like I know that I like being lean ish. But I enjoy food. I love food, you know, so I'm never gonna be like so ripped and so like shredded that. Cause I know it's just not worth it. It, it just doesn't make me happy. Like it makes me happy. Just like being lean, being cut, being big, but also being strong. If I. As long as I'm strong that everything else will come with it. The, the physique, the feelings. I just focus on strictly strength. That's it. I don't care about my physique to where it's like, oh, I need to do bicep curls because I want better arms. No, my arms are the biggest and most defined they've ever been just by doing what I've been doing. But I know, I realize that I know when I'm, when I'm getting a little bit pudgier, I should like you know, lay off just, like, just certain snacks, certain foods, but it's a quick switch. I'm not gonna, like, you know, my headspace. I'm not gonna, like, make it the end. You know, just make it a big thing. I'm like, all right, I don't like how I look. I'm gonna just kind of lay off some food, like, just kind of be in a deficit. So. But it's hard for some people. A lot of people, psychologically, they. They suffer with that. And with me, with training people, it's. I've had to deal with that a couple times. But people with those kind of eating disorders, it's like, how do you help that person? How do you try to tell them what to do? It's like, okay, you have a bad relationship with food. You know, do they work well with constantly having to text them, like, hey, like, did you eat your meals today? Did you hit your macros? Or is it telling them, all right, well, you know, what you're eating obviously isn't working. It's not right. So, you know, you need to stop eating like crap. You need to stop eating garbage. But they either go to food as a source of happiness and they can't get rid of that dopamine hit, or they just don't want to eat at all. So it's between being anorexic, really skinny, or being. Or being overweight, like, bulimic. Yeah. So when I. When I talk to clients, or when I'm, like, binging, binging, or when I'm thinking of it within myself, I'm like, all right, well, obviously what works for me could work for other people, or, you know, it could not. But it's. It's really finding that fine line of having to, you know, finding that happiness within yourself on how you look or how you perform or whatever. Because a lot of people, they do, you know, they do suffer from that. But I guess when you find. When you find your niche and what in your training or your diet and you are getting to a point where you are happy with how you look, how you perform, then I, you know, that's the goal. That's the ultimate lifeline that I get. Everybody should experience. I felt good when I was doubling up on hit classes and jiu jitsu. The problem was I was fucking killing myself. You were tired. Yeah. Your body was just still tired. I'm still tired. I'm, like, training like that. I'm still tired. Tired as in, like, you had, like, you know, just. Overall, I was fatigued, and my My tendinitis is still not alleviated in my right arm. I still can't straighten out my right arm. Totally. I also played handball for years. I love handball, bro. I played handball for years, like very competitively. And with, with our group and I. Running around all the time, dude, I'm. Hoping that I don't, I don't have like Tommy John issues like that where they need to do Tommy John surgery. Did you ever like, swish your. Swish. Switch your hand like when you played? I did, but I was righty, so I always hit power. Yeah, no, it didn't work out very well. You're like Michael Fel. So you're right. And then just like with your left. Yeah, yeah, my right. When I write, I'm like, okay. My handwriting is not. It's terrible anyway. But when I write on my right, I'm like, okay, good. And then my left, I'm just like. He's lying about his right hand being good though. No, it's. Well, for me it's good. All right. For me it's good. Looks like the ancient hieroglyphs in Egypt. I told you that Pharmaceutical handwriting. Yeah, just without the degree. Yeah, without the degree. Never happening. Yeah. I'm not that smart to do that now. You're smart in other areas. In other areas. We're smart in our, in our respective industries and areas of work. Yeah. So what's, what's training been like for you lately? Are you going to be doing World's strongest Man again? I. Today I like doing time sets. What? I realized that that was fun today. So I put on a 30 minute timer. 100 reps of everything, 100 snatches at a 62 pound kettlebell. 100 rotational slams. You're getting a call. 450. Oh, it's Countdown. Keep going. So, okay, so yeah, warm up was 100 snatches at 62 pounds, 100 med ball, rotational slams, 100 met ball sit up and 100 cows on the ski. So I wanted to put a 30 minute timer on and be okay, I need to Finish this within 30 minutes. Like I need to get this done because if I didn't, I'll probably kind of drag a little bit and it would be getting it down like 35, 40. But I got it done in I think 27 minutes. So that's good. As long as I get it below 30, I'm happy. I don't need to do it in 20 minutes and kill myself. That's fine. So I realized that I really like that. I like having a time Set. But training has basically kind of been the same. There are some days like I'll do a lot of volume and some days I'll just max out and see what I can do. The other day I had five working sets of a squat workout. So squat, bench, kettlebell, snatch, and one other movement. But it was 10 reps of everything. So 10 squat, 10 press, 10 snatch, and 10 swings or whatever I did. But my last set I did like one to three reps of everything. I'm like, all right, what? Let me see how my body feels and what I can do in that moment. Cool. So that's so top end sets then. Yeah, yeah. So first four sets are the volume and then last sets are the kind of max out efforts type of the ways. And it's been pretty good. I mean, my numbers and everything have been going up. I did £80 on the mace today. I shouldered my 360 sandbag. Right now training is just coasting. Just keep doing, keep doing what you're doing. Yeah, I want to compete, but I don't know what I want to do. Are you re qualified for World's Strongest man or you got to do it? Yeah, no, I'm not doing it. It was just too much, too much in the body. A lot of guys got hurt and it was just like, all right, I win. And then what? That's the sad truth about it. Well, that's, that could be said about a lot of different things at the, at the entry ish level, you know what I'm saying? It was a fun. You win and then what else? That's the same thing with like a local jiu jitsu tournament. You win and then what else? It was a fun experience. My father loved it. He, he had a blast because, you know, he's older, he's 68, 69, and he, you know, he's just a home man. He's a family man and he doesn't really do stuff like that. So to bring him to another country and to show him like what a community is like of savages, he, he had a blast. He never took his eyes off the stage. He was talking to people. He had a great time. Yeah. And it was cool to see another country. It was cool to experience that. I, I hit weights. I never thought I could do 660 on my back. I thought my spine was going to snap in half. 600 pound timber carry. A 300 pound Husafell metal coffin carry. It was ridiculous. But it was fun. Now, like, just my priorities is just like, you know, my Personal. My personal stuff that's going on and just what I'm gonna do with the business and with the gym, you know, and then I know you've been kicking. Around a couple ideas. Yeah. What the, you know, what the universe and what God is showing me and what to do with my personal life and how to move forward. It's still, it's still like options. It's like, you know, do I go to Brooklyn to live with Sam and you know, to work in the city? Do I expand in Long island and hit up my investors and bring her on the team? And we kind of created team together. What is the best. Al, what is the best choice? What's the best thing financially? What's the best thing that's going to give both of us, give us that light and give us that fulfillment? I would love to have a bigger, slightly bigger space so I can deck it out with all that stuff. Rowers, ski ergs, assault bikes, Just better equipment, more areas to do stuff. Because the gym, my gym is very small, but I've outgrown it. And now it's just starting to get. Annoying, which is a positive thing. Positive thing that you've outgrown it. Yeah. And I believe that if I expand then business and people will come because of just having a bigger space and having more opportunity to do stuff like have coaches hold workshops, have Sam hold her certifications, have coaches come in, have pooch. Oh, Furley, my guy Mark. Just people coming in and building a solid team. So right now I just think that like we talked about, I think the space is holding me back a lot. I think that's what's been happening in the past three years. So now it's just having that shift and that mindset business shift. Like, okay, do I go bigger? Is that going to give me the leverage and what I want to do? I think it is, you know, because I'll have a lot more to work with. But then it's the risk. It's the risk of people not coming. And that's everybody's fear of you open up anything. And people not supporting or people not coming. That's just, that's just the truth that people are not willing to tell or not people are not willing to. No risk, no reward. Yeah. No. Yeah. So, you know, but I believe, I believe that if I expand then things would definitely pop off a lot more. So, yeah, my. Right now my focus is just in my personal life and business wise. Training is still good. I will always be a savage. But competing and everything, it's not really on my to do list yet. I want to do it, but it's. It's like kind of at the bottom of the totem pole. Yeah. Yeah. Cool, man. Yeah. What about, what about you? Oh, fucking take. Yeah, don't point to, don't point to the tactical game sign. It's been tough, man. In a positive way. It's been tough because business has been great. I've been very busy. I've been very blessed to be very busy with an and performance and subs. For those that don't know. It's been awesome. I've been doing a lot of work with them. I've been culling through a couple of retainer clients. Clients that I just. That just don't suit my business anymore. And unfortunately, we had that conversation the other day. As a business owner, you have to have that conversation openly, wholeheartedly sometimes. Yep. Where you just go, it's just not worth my time. It's not worth the time. It's not worth the stress is great. But you have to sometimes just go, yeah, I just, I can't keep hounding for money. I can't keep doing this and that. So I've cut a few people out as, as reoccurring clients. It sucks to do that because you like having money come in, but other shit comes in instead. If it's funny how like the universe just kind of replaces people and things when it needs to. If it's not worth it, if you, if you have to say in your head this is not worth it, then it doesn't matter. The dollar sign you'll. You'll have your peace of mind is just more important than dealing with that stuff. And as business owners, yeah, as you elevate, as you progress and as things change and you start to give better service, yeah. Some people aren't going to like it or they're going to be like, oh, well, you change. It's just like, no, I'm trying to get better. I'm trying to elevate. Like, you guys have a job. You guys have a consistent paycheck. Like, most of the time it doesn't switch for you guys, but. Which is cool. You want that lifestyle. But with us, we have to constantly reinvent and constantly figure out ways to provide better service because we're not guaranteed a paycheck. We're on the clock all the time, 24 hours. You know, you could have a new client hit you up at 8 o' clock at night, like, hey, I have a $5,000 a month gig. Do you want to do it? Oh, sure. Oh, sure. Okay, let's talk. You know, you send them an email. You set up a Zoom call. So Steve Harvey said, once you start to elevate, that's when you're going to start losing people, because they're going to be either jealous or they are going to be insecure in their own ways, and they're going to be, oh, well, Nick is doing a lot better than me. Or Nick is thriving right now. Like, why aren't I doing that? Why aren't I getting the things that he's getting? And it's the sad truth. You know, you. You would think that people close to you want to see you succeed, but no, it's the complete opposite. They want to see your downfall. They don't want to see you happy at all. At all. I get to see a stranger. But then strangers make you rich. Strangers will support you no matter what. People in. In Australia support me. I did a session with a guy a couple years ago. This guy. I think his name's. I forgot his name. Jared. Australian guy. We did a session on Clubs and Landmines, and I never met him before in my life, but he's like, hey, I love what you do. Like, I want to support you, you know, and he's still. We still keep in touch. His fiance at the time, she hit me up like, hey, like, Jay's birthday is coming up. Like, would you want to give a. A gift? I go, yeah, absolutely. I never met this guy, ever. I did one session with him, and he keeps in touch with me, but I. I'm like, yeah, of course I'll support him. Like, I don't know. I'm not. I'm probably never gonna meet him. Maybe one day I will. But he was a really nice guy, and I support what he does. And it's just crazy how the people closest to you will want to see you fail and not be happy. Well. Cause they don't want to see you do better than them. And that's the. You know, it's sad. That's the quote that you hear all the time. They just. They want to see you do well, but not better than them. And it is very unfortunate that a lot of scenarios play out that way, but you also have to understand that, like, as the podcast grows for me, as my business grows, you know, you put out more and more clips. You focus more on the live streaming side of things. You focus more on, like, whatever your business thing is, and you just put your head down and work the people that you thought would spend the money, the people that you thought would share the clips, the people that you thought were going to like every video because liking costs nothing, but it helps. The algorithm and engagement, they never show up. But once you make it, and once you are at maybe not the top, but you're rising, rising, rising. All of a sudden, they're gonna be like, I know Tom. I know Nick. Like, I remember when they first started. I remember when Tom was, like, putting up videos in his backyard. And now he's like this big dude. He's got this huge spot that everyone goes to for jiu jitsu and clubs and this and that and all this. It's gonna happen. Yeah. Or it's the same thing with me. So it's just. Yeah, it's just such an interesting thing to see. You have to just, I guess, kind of just the. The moral of the story is you have to just stay unapologetically authentic to yourself. You have to just continue to do the things that make you happy, like having the conversations. Listen, there's no script for today's episode. We're just hanging out. We're just. We just free balling, baby. Free balling. I got draws on. I can't freeball too much. Is that what free balls? Yeah. Too much friction, man. You get chafed. We were just going live, just having fun. I didn't know that meant that. Yeah, he's free balling. Yeah. That means your testicles are swinging, but. Oh, yeah, you know. Oh, well, now I know. Let me tell you something. I had when I lived in the hat, my old. My old development, there was like a community center and gym and sauna and everything like that. I look, I think back to some of my earlier experiences. What's the matter? We got a nat in here? No, no, it's just Kenji's hair. Okay. I look back to some of my earlier experiences and I just go, man, that was creepy as fuck. I had one of the neighbors in my development, Me and my friend were just like, in the hot tub first off. I don't know why we were. It was like boiling outside. We should have went to the pool. I don't know why we're in the hot tub, but this old dude just came into the locker room, balls swinging. Oh, yeah. That's like one of those things on. People'S desks that's every gym's locker room like this. And he was just like, having a full conversation with two young dudes in the hot tub. And I'm brother, go somewhere else. Yep. I don't want to see that shit. I got my own. I don't want to see yours. It's cool. Anyway. Talking about free balling. Yeah, dude, Sorry I brought that up. Nah, the Internet's happy, so it's just staying authentically true to yourself. Putting your. Putting the stuff out there. Put value on yourself. Put value on yourself. Just believe in yourself. Listen, if it goes somewhere great. If it doesn't and you start to not enjoy it anymore, that's literally a post I put up the other day. I used to. I would not miss a chest day or an arm day at the gym. I could not wait every single week to train those two body parts. Couldn't wait. But now I couldn't be fucking bothered. Could care less. I could care less. I actually had this conversation with my dude, Don. He's an older guy in his 40s. I actually want to bring him to your gym. Cool. He would love it. I. I've been. I've been trying to get him to come down, but he can't break the mental cycle. Don shredded, bro. Don's test levels are like almost a thousand. How old is he? 40, mid-40s. Never taken anything. He's just like that guy. But he is still stuck in the mentality of hitting those bro splits. Yeah. Of hitting the. The arm day and the chest day. I'm like, bro, you got to, like, do some functional shit. It's going to help you immensely at Jiu Jitsu. And he just can't get out of his own way mentally of thinking that. So I used to be like that. I couldn't think of anything else. I'd wake up and be so excited to go to the gym. Then I started training with you. Then I did the OG stuff, which is like the group fitness, high, high intensity interval classes and stuff like that. Then I started the Jiu Jitsu. I can't be bothered going to a regular gym anymore. I just. Oh, no, you will never. Like, like by myself. I just canceled my membership, which Vinny's a nice guy. He owns Revolution Fitness over here. He actually is supposed to come on the podcast, but I canceled my membership with him. And of course they're just like, well, we require a 30 day notice. Here's my notice. Take my extra 50 bucks. Whatever, bro. You will. But I can't do it again. I can't, like, by myself to just, oh, yeah, hunky dory. Just go in the gym. No, like, I. I cannot deal with it because people there, it's just the atmosphere. I just Can't. I can't tolerate anymore. The best workouts I ever had was in the Synergy basement in Franklin Square. Years ago, next to the movie theater. Right? Those were the best workouts I had as a kid growing up in training, I met some great guys and they were just savages. And we always see each other every day, 11 o' clock at night, just hanging out, lifting heavyweight. It was great. It was fun. But now, I don't know, just now just how I train, it's just amazing. I feel incredible like this. I'm in the best shape I've ever been in my life. And trying to get these people to see it of what the benefit is, it's like pulling teeth because it's like what you said. People are so stuck in their ways. Oh, well, you know, how's a kettlebell clean going to be different than a bicep cleaned? Bicep, Bicep curl. Bicep curls are easy. That is the easiest thing in the world that you can do. So y' all watching this? You dudes? Bicep curls. That's easy, bruh. Cleaning a kettlebell at £100. Talk to me then. I don't care about your 25, 30 pound bicep curls. Anybody can do that. If you want to learn a skill, if you want to get really strong and being able to build your grip strength and be powerful, kettlebell cleans and all that stuff is going to benefit you in so many more ways than just regular bicep curls. And I'm doing my best to show these guys what's good and show them the light. Yeah, show them what's good. Speaking of the light, I see you have your navigation on. Yeah, I got a couple more minutes. You got a couple more minutes? Okay. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, so you had. I just had this on because sometimes I just lose track of time because that's okay. What time

you have to be back by? I gotta be there by 3: 1:14:06

15, so I got another 20 minutes. All right, so we'll do another like 10ish and then, you know, whatever. But so you're asking training. So. Yeah, so the training. Unless I got to the gym every Single morning at 5am, the tactical games training hasn't really been happening. That's the problem. Five in the morning. Yeah, I have to go, I have to train, I have to get the weight stuff that they want me to do done. And then I have to. And some of it, honestly, I need sandbags. And I've been hauling my sandbags around in my Trunk. And it's just not conducive. Oh, that was me years ago. Yeah, it's just not conducive to being able to train the way that you need to and want to. Yeah. So I went to my mom's last weekend. I tried to clean the garage out and get that space set up so I can start training there a little bit. It's gonna suck in the winter again. But that's. Ultimately, that's what I want to do. I want to have. When I get my own house and I get my own spot, I want to have my training space within it. Yeah. Have all of that rogue equipment that's in my garage currently at my mom's house. I moved out. I live in my apartment, so she's about 15 minutes away now. But still, it's like, it's a hassle. It's a hassle. I go. But I'd rather go there to train, especially in the warmer months, than go and spend$50 a month at a gym. Yeah, I still need to. I told them, I said, yo, the gym is great. You got great equipment, all this shit. But, like, I don't really need all this equipment. And I'm paying for something that I haven't

even been going to because a lot of times if I don't get there 5: 1:15:24

00am I'm thinking, I'm looking at my clock, I'm like, okay, all day, I'm working, doing whatever I'm going to do, shoots, blah, blah, blah, podcast, whatever, and then

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30 hits, and I'm just like, oh, Jiu jitsu time. Okay, let's go. Yeah, I think if I didn't have my gym, I don't know where I would train. I probably just do jiu jitsu full time because, like, I cannot train anywhere else. Like, you know, with what I do and what I want to do. Like, that is. I can't do it anywhere else in where I live. I also wanted to leave the. The. The sandbags at Sarah's, but I knew everyone would start doing. I knew everyone would start using them when they're. When they're soaked with their rash guards. And then that's just a great way to get staff. Yeah. Now the sandbag will be black by the time. In like a month or two. Yeah. Now it's like. Yeah, it's. I, like, I start, like I was telling you before I emailed Soren Ecstasy, like, just get ideas of what a rig would look like or what's, like, the best possible design for a space or for A gym. Because like my brain starts working, it starts going nuts of like, oh, I'm going to put this here, I'm going to put that there. Like at this point it's like, what's the most efficient? How can I have like a 20 person class and making sure everybody's on top of their game and not just like wasting time or like waiting for weights all the time around. Yeah. And then it just bringing that old school, like, mentality or just like, just like having a new style of training in Long island in these areas to do because nobody's doing this stuff. And with all my friends on Instagram, none of them own gyms. So it's like, what is the proper way to bring this style of training to people and to have it accessible to them and have it, you know, just build and grow and just have savages in there and what to do? Because people, you know, trying to convince people to, to do the things that you're doing, some of them may be like, oh, that's good for you, but I'm fine. Like, I don't need to do that. It's like, why? You are bored with your training style. You're not seeing the results that you want. You're complaining about everything. So maybe what you're doing isn't working. At least come try it out, see what happens. You may fall in love with it. So obviously if you are doing something that is not working for you or something that is not giving you progress, then you need to go into some retrospect and be like, okay, maybe I need more effort, maybe I need to fix my diet. Or maybe I just need to do something completely different. And that's fine. I tell people all the time, listen, if my stuff's not for you, just tell me. You got to pivot. I'd rather, I'd rather these people tell me, hey, listen, like, it's just not for me. It's too hard. Okay, don't tell me you're gonna sign up in a month. I know you're not. Don't tell me that you're gonna do this, that you're gonna do that. I know you're not going to do it. You could just tell me straight up. I respect you more by telling me that than you saying, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna sign up in two weeks and then just completely disappear. Like, I'm good. I don't care if it's too hard for you, just let me know. That's perfectly fine. So. But yeah, the future is exciting. Yeah. There's A lot. A lot of cool stuff. I would love to see if we can get you involved with tactical games. Hey, listen, man, I'm. I'm open. They do use the sandbags and stuff like that, and they do a lot of that training. That would be cool. As it becomes more popular to get you as one of, like, the affiliate gyms. Yeah. Or even like a coach for them. Because. What is it? What is it? Sandbags and what else? Well, they. Guns. Yeah. I mean, the gun stuff we. We obviously can't do, but I ain't doing that. Yeah, that's a whole another level of insurance to shoot guns. Yeah. We're going to teach you, but, yeah, it's. They do. Cool concept, though. I love it. I'll show you some of the programming that they do off. Off. Off. Off air, but. All right. I think we're good. I think we're. We. We've. We've covered a lot of different topics. If any of you motherfuckers buy the Sydney Sweeney bath water, I will send Tom to your house to beat the living shit out of you. Just. It's not a threat. It's just a promise. Just go to a farm and buy goat milk. Goat milk soap, man. Just do that instead. Yeah, I think for them, the goat milk soap doesn't serve the same purpose. No, but like, just. Yeah, I don't think they're buying it for the soap. Have some morals and values, bro. Yeah, I think they need to go to church. Go find God. Yeah, yeah. Go do something. Because actually, maybe you should have a consult with God outside of the church first. If you buy the bathwater soap and then you walk into the church, you might just burn up right there. That might be. That might be it. So you may want to consult prior. Shame. Shame. So funny. Yo, Tom. As usual, episode 134 Resology Love you, bro. I appreciate you, everybody, for tuning in. Thank you. Please follow Tom. Tom. The Julie Monster. Are we. We're Maybe we're keeping the same name for the gym. We might be changing things. No, I'm gonna be okay. So. Yeah, just forget about it for now. Yeah, it's all right. We're gonna be rebranding Jack. Tom De Julie. Go check out all of his stuff. I appreciate you, bro. I love you. Love you too, my dude. On that note, I appreciate everybody for hanging out with us, but for now, peace. Peace.