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Wherever you"},{"speaker":"Thao","startTime":4887.09,"endTime":4890.6,"body":"may find yourself within our"},{"speaker":"Thao","startTime":4887.09,"endTime":4890.6,"body":"island agricultural economies,"},{"speaker":"Thao","startTime":4890.78,"endTime":4894.65,"body":"if you would like to share your"},{"speaker":"Thao","startTime":4890.78,"endTime":4894.65,"body":"story in our podcast, please"},{"speaker":"Thao","startTime":4894.65,"endTime":4895.73,"body":"contact us."},{"speaker":"Thao","startTime":4896.66,"endTime":4899.66,"body":"Thank you for listening to the"},{"speaker":"Thao","startTime":4896.66,"endTime":4899.66,"body":"Seeds of Wellbeing \"Voices From"},{"speaker":"Thao","startTime":4899.66,"endTime":4903.14,"body":"the Field\" podcast featuring"},{"speaker":"Thao","startTime":4899.66,"endTime":4903.14,"body":"their perspectives of ag"},{"speaker":"Thao","startTime":4903.14,"endTime":4906.35,"body":"producers throughout the Hubei"},{"speaker":"Thao","startTime":4903.14,"endTime":4906.35,"body":"islands. 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