#109 - "The Holly" (feat. Terrance Roberts)

This episode former blood gang member turned peace activist Terrance Roberts joins the show. 

Jay and crew talk about there weeks were (01:07),  Jay asks Terrance about growing up a gang member and being shot twice (00:07:52),  then Damo asked about "The Holly" and events that occurred in the documentary (00:24:19),   Jay then asks Terrance about the affordable housing at the Park Hill golf course (00:50:26),  This or That segment (01:00:26), then they talk about Terrance's campaign for the Denver Mayor (01:04:31), and MORE!

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Speaker 1 (00:00:00):
This, this podcast, busing busting.

Jay (00:00:05):
Welcome to this dot podcast. I'm your friendly host. Jay joined by my friends. We got co

Jay (00:00:12):
Man, what we talking

Jay (00:00:13):
About? And then we got Uncle Damo.

Speaker 1 (00:00:15):
My name's Uncle Damo.

Jay (00:00:17):
What are you showing off the, the sneaks you got on the sneaker app, man. Tell the people what you got. Come on. Uncle Damon.

Uncle Damo (00:00:24):
The, uh, the Clunkers <laugh>.

Co (00:00:29):
He being all elitist since

Jay (00:00:30):
Shit. The Air Jordans that almost went outta business to Nike.

Uncle Damo (00:00:33):
I like them, man.

Jay (00:00:34):
What are those? The tubes?

Uncle Damo (00:00:35):
Yeah, the tubes.

Jay (00:00:36):
All right. Shout out to the incredible Lawrence and LaMer. This is episode 1 0 9 of this dot podcast. You could catch Catch Lawrence and LaMer at 32 25 East Colfax Avenue. Or you can go to Lawrence and larimer.com and you could catch us on all streaming platforms and video on YouTube. Hey y'all. We back, we on a Saturday. Beautiful. Saturday. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, right? It's nice outside.

Uncle Damo (00:01:04):
Would you, would you qualify it as beautiful or just a Saturday?

Jay (00:01:07):
Well, it ain't raining like it was the last couple days, so I'll take it.

Uncle Damo (00:01:11):
I haven't been here, so I didn't know.

Jay (00:01:13):
I know you've been traveling. What big

Co (00:01:15):
Time? He, he just can't, he just can't wait to Flex came.

Jay (00:01:18):
He came, man. Whatcha talking about, did you fly first class this time? I

Uncle Damo (00:01:21):
Did. Oh, would you want me sitting next to you on the plane, <laugh>? Hell, Hey, you remember Courtney was talking about when we got in, the dude was like,

Jay (00:01:29):
He couldn't even put his tray down.

Co (00:01:31):
Yeah, man. Please give him first class ASAP so I can fucking be comfortable in my freaking economy class.

Uncle Damo (00:01:37):
Please

Jay (00:01:38):
Upgrade him.

Co (00:01:39):
Please. Please upgrade. Fuck it. I'll pay for it. The big as.

Jay (00:01:43):
Nah, that's cool. You were in, uh, you wanna tell the people where you were at?

Uncle Damo (00:01:46):
Uh, Atlanta and San Francisco?

Jay (00:01:47):
Yeah. Oh, you went to Atlanta first, then San Francisco came home? Yeah. All work Or did you visit, uh, your daughter out there? No,

Uncle Damo (00:01:54):
She's out. She's back out here. Oh, okay, cool. And we were like this, so,

Co (00:01:59):
Oh, you stopped by Magic City? Oh.

Uncle Damo (00:02:00):
Uh, you gotta get some wings. Oh, okay. To go,

Jay (00:02:03):
Man. Man. What were we

Jay (00:02:04):
Talking about? <laugh> Co. How was your week, man?

Co (00:02:07):
Oh man. You know, um, it was good, man. Honestly, man. It was, uh, it was, it was, it was slow. Oh man. But, you know, I got to watch my son break about a, a 60 yard touchdown, man. And

Jay (00:02:18):
Fly. I saw that on the ground, man.

Co (00:02:20):
Shock shocked me, man.

Jay (00:02:21):
Shot out to Chimp. He took off too,

Co (00:02:24):
Man. He was out of there, man. I, you know, I kind of, I was like, man, this is it. It, it looks like me, man.

Jay (00:02:31):
It's that ten one in the Macon. Yeah.

Co (00:02:33):
Not, you know, you know, I can't start watching it.

Jay (00:02:35):
I bet. So proud. Right?

Co (00:02:36):
Yeah. You know, it's funny. So he had to g honestly, he had the game.

Jay (00:02:39):
Although I haven't seen you break like he did, man. Like he,

Co (00:02:42):
Ah, yeah, he did. He, he

Jay (00:02:43):
Was

Uncle Damo (00:02:43):
Gone. Corn, pull up in his hamstring. Be hurt. Yeah. I, I'll take that man. Take good

Speaker 1 (00:02:49):
Demo.

Jay (00:02:50):
No, that's dope. Take that.

Co (00:02:50):
I'll take that. But, nah, but nah, man. Uh, yeah man. You know, my son, my son had a great, had a great football game. You know, things were pretty slow, uh, at the house. You know, I think things are kind of, you know, they're slow, but they're also just kind of, just kind of figuring his life out without my father-in-law. You know what I mean? Just, just kind of trying to navigate this, but, uh,

Jay (00:03:13):
And see what that looks like. Cuz he's a big part of, uh, the family. Yeah. Yeah. Like, he was very involved with the grandkids and Yeah. He, it's gonna be different.

Co (00:03:20):
Yeah. So, so, but you know, other than that, man, the things are pretty good, man. Good,

Jay (00:03:25):
Good. Yeah. Mine went well. Uh, I won't get into it too much because we have a great guest tonight and we're excited, man, about this guest. I mean, this man has seen and endured a lot, man. All right. He's made transitions in his life more than a stick shift on a city, city roads, man. That's how much he shifted and transitioned in his life. Was

Co (00:03:51):
That supposed to be good analogy?

Jay (00:03:53):
It was a great analogy. I'll let you ride with him. What you got? You got one?

Co (00:03:57):
I wasn't the one.

Jay (00:03:57):
You're just a hater man. Let's get to the guest. This man went from CK Showbiz. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> to anti-violence activist, peace activist, and ran for, uh, the Denver mayoral candidate seat. And he decided to join us today. Big shout out to Terrence Roberts for coming on the show. Big shout

Co (00:04:20):
Out. Big

Jay (00:04:21):
Shout out. Thank you. It's been long in the making, man. Uh, we've been trying to get you on a while. You've been busy, uh, because you were running for mayor, but, uh, now that is over and you got a little bit of time. Yeah. So thanks for coming through, man Park Hill. Legend. Legend that we got right here. Yeah, no,

Terrance Roberts (00:04:40):
I appreciate the invite, man. I'm glad to be

Jay (00:04:41):
Here. Yeah. How's everything been going for you?

Terrance Roberts (00:04:43):
That's good. You know, um, back to working, getting back to, uh, property inspections. Um, got it. I was doing more residential inspections when I first became an inspector. I'm doing more commercial inspections. Um, you know, that's, even though I'm certified to be an inspector for commercial properties, but being an inspector's more of a hands-on, you learn real time, not on paper. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, that's one of those knowledge by doing type of careers. Yep. Got it. So I've been, uh, the company, I was working for them while campaigning. Mm. Okay. Wow. I was living on my 5 0 1, um, not five. I was gonna say five. One. [inaudible]

Jay (00:05:16):
<laugh>. We gonna get into the nonprofit stuff.

(00:05:20):
Whoa. Whoa. Hey,

(00:05:22):
Check the taxes. Check the taxes,

Co (00:05:24):
Irs. We know we can't live off five. No, absolutely.

Terrance Roberts (00:05:28):
I was living on my 401k from Zillow and campaigning, cuz you gotta have money to do that kind of stuff. Yeah, absolutely. But I was still working to supplement that too. Good. Got it. Um, just came from San Francisco working LA mm-hmm. <affirmative>. I've been into San Francisco a couple times. My dad lived in the Beto. Okay. So I grew up going to the Bay. Yeah, absolutely.

Jay (00:05:44):
I

Co (00:05:45):
Was a special

Terrance Roberts (00:05:45):
Place man. Oh yeah, it is. Definitely. Um, but I was just out there a couple times. I was just in San Francisco a few weeks ago. Oh, got it. Got it. You know, working, walking through the tenderloins. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> went to my homeboy, Rudy's, um, um, um, United Players. Uh, they got a, a youth center out there. Went by there. I walked there from my hotel room

Jay (00:06:03):
And Nice man. Yeah.

Terrance Roberts (00:06:04):
You know, just, just working man and getting back.

Jay (00:06:07):
That's dope. So you stay in everybody's communities. You just like to feel of like, you know, seeing what's going on in the vibes in different areas no matter where you're at.

Terrance Roberts (00:06:15):
Well, I mean, so since I became a community organizer, that's been my

Jay (00:06:19):
Job.

Terrance Roberts (00:06:20):
Yeah. No, it's like your mission. Like when I was in a gang back in those days and we ran into somebody from a similar <laugh>, you from LA Oh, what's up <laugh>?

Jay (00:06:28):
No, no, no. Absolutely. Oh, you,

Terrance Roberts (00:06:29):
You, you this from there.

Jay (00:06:30):
Yeah, absolutely. Come on. We had a party

Terrance Roberts (00:06:32):
Tonight. You

Jay (00:06:33):
Don't even know him. These

Terrance Roberts (00:06:34):
Killers and everything's

Jay (00:06:35):
Not Absolutely

Terrance Roberts (00:06:35):
Go to my mama's house, you know what

Jay (00:06:37):
I mean? Nah, definitely. Mama's

Terrance Roberts (00:06:38):
Cooking tonight. You know, Hey mama, this is my homeboy. You just met him at the mall. Just cuz they, you know, so we did the same thing as organizers, man. We got like a little national network. Absolutely. Where, you know, we kind of connect, um, Los Angeles, Denver, uh, brothers in the Bay Area. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> <affirmative>. Um, I met, uh, Rudy, who's from United Players in the Tenderloins in, um, so they did the Trus nine Deuce for Watts in 2012. Mm. Got it. So I, him, I actually met him in Watts. Okay. We were staying at the Watts Art Gallery. Uh, my brother named Ala Shells, who was a grape streete crib, started the Arts Gallery. His son was killed by some rolling sixties. He became like a big time activist. Got it. Um, stopped him brothers from going to war. He's been working internationally. He helped organize the Trus and Nine Deuce in in in 92. Yeah. Which was actually organized to before the Rodney King beaten. People don't know that. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But as soon as they organized it, the beating happened like a day or two after they had already organized it,

Jay (00:07:34):
And then it got kind of polarized and it was like, well then coincident.

Terrance Roberts (00:07:37):
Yeah. Well they it is kind of polar. Yeah, exactly. Got they got it kind of made it seem like it was off of Rodney King's beating, but it was not because of Rodney King's beating. Cause these brothers in Watts was just like, let's go over there. You know what I mean? Yes. Wow. I wonder what happened if we go over there. It was like, let's go. Yeah. You know what

Jay (00:07:52):
I mean? Well, let's take it back because, uh, dang, you just unpacked a lot in that little segment of like your history and things like that and, you know, to quickly to rewind of like your upbringing and how you former gang member and then got into community organization. I wanna say real quick that in the Holly Dock, and we'll talk about it, but you have always been a person in the community. Right. And I was listening on the dock to, I forget the gentleman's name, Hassani or Hasser. But anyway, he mentioned how the Black Panthers and the Holly specifically used to be a headquarters or, you know, uh, stomping grounds for Black Panthers. Right? Yep. Had you had grown up in that time, you probably would've been a Black Panther. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> didn't have that because of what has happened and how the FBI dispersed the Black Panthers lack of guidance in the community. So ended up being a gang member. So I would like to talk to you a little bit about your upbringing and like how did it get to that point in your relationship in the home where you turned towards the Bloods?

Terrance Roberts (00:09:02):
Um, I mean, well growing up in Park Hill back then, you know, I'm, I'm about to be 47. Right? So when you're talking about the mid eighties mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, to to to late eighties, early nineties when you got DJ quick second to none, you know, you got NW too short. Lll cool. J Mama said no, you out. All of it was rough

Jay (00:09:24):
Like that aggression,

Terrance Roberts (00:09:25):
All of it, man, you know? Yeah. Gangsta rap, you know, uh, f the police, just everything. And we were going through that. The crack cocaine era was there. We already have Bloods and Crips that had already been like the OG Crips and the OG Bloods had already been gang banging. That had been some homicides. If you wasn't running with Hans and them crew or, or Courtney and them busting through the line doing <laugh>

Jay (00:09:46):
Running for six <laugh>. Absolutely. If you wasn't lucky, Courtney. Compared to,

Terrance Roberts (00:09:51):
I wasn't, I wasn't running No. 60 yard <laugh>.

Jay (00:09:54):
Yeah. Touchdown. Yeah. Absolutely. I pulled off a

Terrance Roberts (00:09:56):
2025 or

Jay (00:09:58):
<laugh>.

Terrance Roberts (00:09:59):
I wasn't busting through the line for 60. And I, I can't, I've never dunked a basketball man. So. Got it. You know, so, you know, it got to the point to where it was really just like, okay, well these other brothers is going this way, so what? You know, like it wasn't, no one forced me. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. It was just like a, if you was from Park Hill back then, if you, you definitely couldn't cross Car Boulevard going west of Party. That's a fact. So I used to hang out with brothers over there like Yeah, yeah. Shout out to ABA Collins and Yeah. Yeah. You know Robert Craig McGee and you know, all them brothers

Jay (00:10:30):
Tko all Northeast. Right.

Terrance Roberts (00:10:32):
We used to go over there, but as they started gravitating towards the Crips was really forming and there was Bloods in Park Hill, but we were in middle school. We were kids. I used to be an honor roll student. Yep. So we ended up moving outta Parkhill, going to to m I went to mlk, we moved to Green Valley Ranch. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, we were kind of that first migration to start pushing East. Yeah. Yep. But I grew up in Park Hill and I lived with my grandma and everything. So we moved out there, then we moved back. But I hung out on the east side and it got to the point to where, even though I wasn't even a blood, they was telling me like, you can't even come over here. It was used to be hundreds of Crips because

Jay (00:11:06):
You grew up in Park Hill because you grew up

Terrance Roberts (00:11:08):
In, just cuz I was from over there. They'll, to beat you Absolutely anything they, you know, it, it could be nothing or it could be anything. But they really like me over there. So they'd be like, so, but then I also would have to go the Park Hill and it was Bloods everywhere and driving up and down the street. Yeah. Jumping out on people. Yeah. So I started wearing like gr it started off with, at that time Green was more of a blood color. Yep. So I would wear green just to move around Park Hill. Cause I was still in Park Hill more. Got it. And then it went to me. I'd go over they house sometimes and I'd be wearing green or burgundy or something and they'd be like, bro, you

Jay (00:11:42):
Can't wear that. Can't

Terrance Roberts (00:11:43):
Be coming over here. And I was going over to Alden Brothers houses and stuff cause I wasn't a blood, but it's like, I'm over here today. But man, you don't, some of them bloods in Park killed them. Dudes is, a lot of 'em. Brothers is in prison for homicide brothers. Dangerous. You know. So, um, it was violent. I've worked in worse than Denver. I've worked in worse than America. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, it was bad. It was bad in, in, in the late eighties, early nineties. So it just, it wasn't like someone forced me or you better be from the hood. It would just like, man, we can't go to the east side and party. We can't go downtown or go to the clubs. Or like, we would go to like the um, like, um, Metro State would have parties. Yep, yep. And we'd go to them parties. We'd get jumped on there. We can't go to Aurora

Jay (00:12:25):
Typically because

Terrance Roberts (00:12:25):
That had to like the La Crips. Yeah. Like what the five points in the We Car Boulevard had like the Denver Crips, but we knew them. We all grew up together. We hooped with 'em, played football with 'em. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> Pirates. Um, prince Hall. Prince Hall, all of that. Yep. Yep. But it kind of intensified the violence cuz people shooting up each other's mother's houses and jumping on each other, beating on each other. God was more personal like, oh, how you gonna do that to me? Right. I know Right. Where your mama stay anyways, you know. Yeah.

Jay (00:12:52):
Because we all know each other. We all grew up small black community. Okay. You know? Absolutely.

Terrance Roberts (00:12:56):
But I happened to have lived in Green Valley Ranch, like I told y'all, so I knew a lot of the Raymond Avenue Crips and a lot of the Crips. They really formed in Green Valley Ranch and like out there in Aurora. So I knew kind of everybody a little bit. Got it. But I'm from Park Hill. Yeah. You know what I mean? So as they became Crips, you had to become, become, we just naturally, it wasn't even like we was trying to be, it was just like, we just be, it was almost like we just became the Bloods <laugh>. You know what I mean? Right,

Co (00:13:21):
Right. You

Terrance Roberts (00:13:21):
Just, cause the original bloods was locked up. Right. And it was like, well you, if you wanna go to a party in Aurora, we tried Absolutely. When we go out there, then it'd be full of Aurora Crips and we leave up out of there lumped up or somebody. Definitely. You know, so it was after a while we were just like, well y'all can't come over here then. Mm-hmm. Absolutely. And then, you know, when we seen these other brothers who've been getting beat up by Crips and they older than us and they little brothers is hanging with us. So next thing you know, it was just,

Co (00:13:46):
It's all link up.

Terrance Roberts (00:13:47):
We, we wouldn't even notice it man. We just, by the time we looked up one day, like if we, if it was 15 of us together, everybody had on a little bit of red. We wasn't even bloods yet. But if you was a group of cribs, you definitely thought we was was cause everybody was just wearing red or burgundy. So it was kind like a natural progression of being from the community. That's why I said like, even in the dark, like it wasn't about wearing red. Like I was from Park Hill and I couldn't even believe like how somebody not like the Holly or how

Jay (00:14:14):
You not Dahlia

Terrance Roberts (00:14:15):
Not like Chow's Kitchen. Yeah. Like you got a

Co (00:14:18):
Problem,

Terrance Roberts (00:14:18):
You want to kill me cuz I'm at Chow's at Chow's Kitchen. That was how we felt. And even though, man I'm gonna say like it's always been rougher on what we call the East Side Park Hills. The east side too. Yeah. It's more east than the East side. We don't say

Co (00:14:31):
Don't say they was rough. The rough East Side <laugh>. I mean it's rough. It

Terrance Roberts (00:14:35):
Was rough talking about Capitol Hill down there. We're talking about the

Co (00:14:37):
Triangle. Like

Jay (00:14:38):
Yeah. The Five Points

Terrance Roberts (00:14:39):
Really started. I mean that LA style gangs, you know, the projects were down there. There was real projects down there. Like Park Hido doesn't have no real projects.

Co (00:14:46):
They was rough over there. Yeah.

Jay (00:14:49):
Like the Curtis Park

Uncle Damo (00:14:50):
Projects. No, no, no. They were rough over

Jay (00:14:52):
There. No, I they were, yeah. Like they were super rough over there. We

Uncle Damo (00:14:55):
Wasn't just going over to the east side to just

Jay (00:14:57):
Oh no, I was killing hang out. No, no. Ab absolutely not.

Terrance Roberts (00:15:00):
So yeah, it was, it was, um, it, it, it, you know, it, we, once it was got to the point to where it's like, well they, they've established the fact that we can't go that way. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And it kind of got to the point where it's like, we wasn't even official yet, but it's like, well we gotta be safe.

Jay (00:15:15):
So y'all had to form together and it just,

Terrance Roberts (00:15:17):
We gotta be safe somewhere. Got it. Because you know, we, even though it was rougher over there, but our appearance was going through the same stuff. Yeah. It's rough in the Dahlia, bro. It's rough in the Holly tub. Absolutely.

Jay (00:15:26):
Like I couldn't really go to Skyland. Like I would go to Skylin but it'd be in Skylin. Yeah. It would don't hang out outside the park unless you were playing football or something like that. Yeah. But yeah, you're absolutely right.

Uncle Damo (00:15:36):
That actually ha that's not what I was gonna say. But that actually happened to me cuz I lived on the east side and I used to have to go to, uh, you know, cross Colorado Boulevard. Yeah. To skying. I couldn't tell you how many times I got sweated. Yeah. Just like, oh yeah, they tried to steal my starter jacket. I'm on my bike. I'm like, ah, no, you ain't taking that. I was serious. Yeah. Anyway. It's been

Terrance Roberts (00:15:56):
Ho it's been homicides.

Uncle Damo (00:15:57):
No. Yeah. Real talk. Yeah. So, um, couple questions for you. The first one is like, you know, I, I hear about like, the dynamics and it, it, it seems like there's a lot of relationships involved in what made you kind of like, stay out the way for lack of better words. Like, you were in it, but you stayed out the way. Um, what do you think helped you thrive in that environment?

Terrance Roberts (00:16:23):
Well, you, I stayed outta the way of what? The gang stuff?

Uncle Damo (00:16:26):
Well, no, like, but you were in it. Right. But you didn't get, you weren't succumbed to it. Right?

Terrance Roberts (00:16:31):
Well, I got out of it. Mm-hmm.

Uncle Damo (00:16:33):
So how, okay, let's go there

Terrance Roberts (00:16:34):
Because I, I gotta say, when I was in it, um,

Co (00:16:37):
You was in it. I was

Terrance Roberts (00:16:38):
Very much, I was a little too involved. Got it. You know, my grandmother's house was getting shot up. Uh, so I used to have my hands healed up very well, but my knuckles used to stay busted. I used to stay in a lot of fights. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. It was always a Crip or two.

Jay (00:16:51):
<laugh>. You've been shot a few times.

Terrance Roberts (00:16:53):
I've been shot twice. Yeah. Um, yep. So, um, well, once my hand got so infected, it was just dripping puss. Oh yeah. It was infected for like two or three years. Damn. When I was selling dope. Jeez. I had a brand new Ben Davis khaki. Yeah. Carl on D's. Busted eye. Busted in <laugh>. Dangerous. Like, it was just gold change. Jerry curl. It was rough man. Um mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know. So I got, you know, involved with that. I start, I was getting locked up. I got shot in my back in the summer of violence in 93. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, was going to physical therapy. I got shot again in my arm trying to go shoot some other brothers. Um, they shot me. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Wow. You know, um, just going through within there. After that I got locked up. So I'm locked up, shot up. Barely healed up. I'm healing up still. Yeah. I still need to be in physical therapy, but now I'm in prison. So,

Jay (00:17:38):
Can we unpack that a little bit? Cuz when you, when you get shot the first time, like mentally, like what's going through your mind? Like where you're like, I don't care. Like that's a part of it. I'm back in these streets. Like, I mean

Terrance Roberts (00:17:51):
That's, I'm a so I, I was out there. So, man, like I said, I've worked in Watts, I've worked in Compton. I've seen worse in Denver. Watts is worse than Denver. Got it. La um, the west side of South Central reminds me more of how Denver is. Um, but it was a war man. That's just what, what what it was at the time. It wasn't like a, it made me angrier or tougher. Nothing neither. It was like, I had avoided being shot, but we had already had homies who had been killed, shot, all kind of stuff was going

Co (00:18:20):
On. Man. Man. Terence. And that's, and, and just, and I know we don't wanna stick here cause there's so much more to your story. Yeah. Um, I really want to get your perspective on, on, on the summer Violence, man, because, you know, there's, people have so many different perspective. Like, I have my perspective, you have your perspective, you have people's perspective from the east side, you know what I mean? Like, what was your perspective in terms of what that time felt like and what did you do to survive during that time? Because yo, it was hectic in 93. It was

Terrance Roberts (00:18:51):
Thick. Yeah. No. Um, I just think that man, um, gangs are movements, you know, and we like to downplay African American gangs. Um, even Latino gangs. Psycho was just a bunch of dummies on the street corner with they ass hanging out their pants. But that's not true.

Jay (00:19:09):
Like, it's normalcy. Like Yeah. Keep that over there. That's what they

Terrance Roberts (00:19:13):
Do. Let this podcast get big towards somebody. Offer y'all a couple million dollar deal or something. Or, or Charlamagne say, Hey, I'm gonna pick y'all up and I'm gonna need y'all in la All y'alls security's gonna be from rolling sixties. Just trust me. Gangs are big. <laugh>.

Jay (00:19:28):
Got

Terrance Roberts (00:19:28):
It. You know what I'm saying? It's huge. Gotcha. Because if you going advance in the entertainment industry, if you going to Cali, you going, you, you going to run into some comp pie rules, something

Jay (00:19:39):
That's fascinating.

Terrance Roberts (00:19:40):
You, it's, it's not ev it's unavoidable. Got it. You know what I'm saying? Or just, or just don't go that big. Don't go that route. Gotcha. So it's not just a bunch of young dumb people. We talking about men in their sixties, seventies millionaires, people who own property now. Like this is, we talking about Crips formed into the late sixties, early seventies. We've had Bloods and Crips and Denver system system mid to late eighties even. Like, this is a big thing. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, at that time, Crippen was really a movement. Yeah. You know, like them brothers on the five point said, that's not no joke man. We're talking about it was thousands of Crips. You don't see it as much anymore due to gentrification. Yeah. They've gotten more older. But we're still dealing with the same amount of homicides as the early nineties too. Uhhuh <affirmative> gangs look different, but they, it is still young African American men and women and brown men and women mainly get murdered. But at that time, man, we talking about Crips everywhere you go to Cali or Denver, whatever, it could be a hundred Crips on the corner for hours.

Co (00:20:40):
How did, but so, but so that's what I'm saying. So how did you conduct yourself? How did you prepare yourself to survive? Because yo, that was like, that's because you were neat. 10 toes down in a gang in 1993. Summer violence where people was getting killed.

Terrance Roberts (00:20:56):
Nah, we was

Co (00:20:58):
Against. Yeah. But how did you, you move, like when you got up in the morning, like, yo, like what was like, like what did you, what one thing about contingency plans were in place for yourself?

Terrance Roberts (00:21:06):
One thing I have to say about the Park Hill Bloods is, um, it's, it's one of the most dangerous blood gangs in America too. So you had like a very, very violent, rough Crip gang on the east side. Right. Five point series. And brothers ain't playing. We're talking about some of the main, just read the statistics. Even the Elite eight Crips, they said, or one of 'em, they claimed to kill the Bronco. They had over 20 homicides. You, you go look at the wire, Snoop and Chris had about the same amount of homicides as they accused these Denver brothers. That having Denver's not getting that type of media attention, cuz you don't really want to hear about it from Denver. They wanna make a movie about gangs. The cameras is already in la they're already in Chicago. Right. But, but you know, that's why even stuff like the Holly, however people agree or disagree is still putting Denver on more of a map to say, no, there's youth violence here. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, we got a black community and there's poor and there's homicides, you know. Um, but yeah, you know, them brothers happened to be a particularly dangerous Crip gang and they were really into that spirit. And as we became bloods, you know, we like this Park hill, we can't drop the ball on the pH <laugh>.

Co (00:22:16):
So

Terrance Roberts (00:22:16):
We just became a battle with Will. Even our parents were kind of involved. Wow. And my grandma owned a restaurant on 28th and Fairfax, Ana Fish Market and

Co (00:22:27):
Ana

Terrance Roberts (00:22:27):
Cna. We didn't have the Crips a few times spray paint all over her stuff. I mean, she knew I was the blood. I stayed with her. I was selling dope. I'm getting shot. My knuckles is busted. She didn't have to run out in the parking lot and stop Lester and all the OG bloods from beating up on Crips brothers from the east side over there getting hamburgers and fish. So my granny knew her house was getting shot up. Um, my dad was living in Oakland at the time, so I would like go out there to see him for summers before I started banging. But then when I started banging, I didn't go to Cali as much, but when I got shot, he moved back to Denver. That's when my dad moved back to Denver. Got it. Because I would, you know, I used to, I, I've gone to the bay my whole life, you know what I'm saying?

(00:23:08):
So, but I was stuck in Denver. Now I'm a blood, now I gotta be here, you know, for the hood. But I mean, how I moved around was Mac elevens. I mean, tech Nines back then. Now, you know, everybody got a Glock with an extended clip. But back then our Glock was that, that Tech nine, you know what I mean? <laugh>, this clip was hanging out there. Yeah, yeah. Hanging right here. Or we had that Mac 11. I got caught with a Mac 11. I got six years in the pen to get getting caught with a Mac 11. I had a 32 round CL clip that was my everyday gun. Nine millimeters, whatever. We were having shootouts fights. It was fights a lot. It was a lot. Um, it was, it was a lot of violence. Okay. So,

Uncle Damo (00:23:44):
So to move, like this is, this is like where Terrence was, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then let's talk about where Terrence went. And there was some inspiration about the Holly. Uh, and specifically for listeners that don't know what we're talking about, there's a documentary on, um,

Terrance Roberts (00:24:07):
And a book too.

Uncle Damo (00:24:08):
A documentary and a book on, was it, is it Amazon?

Jay (00:24:11):
Uh, it's on Amazon now. Its going on Starz.

Uncle Damo (00:24:13):
And

Terrance Roberts (00:24:14):
It's on Hulu. Well, Hulu has a deal with stars, but it's on Yeah. Apple tv.

Uncle Damo (00:24:18):
A lot of

Terrance Roberts (00:24:18):
Platforms. Yeah. It's on, it's, it's

Uncle Damo (00:24:19):
Called the Holly. Yes sir. And there was some inspiration behind that. And you transitioned from what you just talked about to something that's completely different. Yeah. Let's go there.

Terrance Roberts (00:24:34):
Yeah. Nah man. So, um, I was, I had a, with the same Mac 11, I told y'all I got caught with, I had shot up a, a bloods car at that time who went to go grab a pistol on me over an argument over a Dayton hammer for, he had loan me for $40 and he was like a big old brother. So we was gonna get into a fight. I told him not to go to his car. He went to his car. I shot his car with my Mac 11. So the police came to get me. I got caught with the Mac 11. I got six years in the pen and I had a menacing with a shotgun case for another case. So I took a year for that. So I had a seven year sentence. I'm sent in the county jail and PBS was running a, um, a Martin Luther King special. And I seen that speech. I have been to the mountaintop mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Right. And I knew who Martin Luther King was. Of course. I I grew up off of Martin Luther King Boulevard.

Uncle Damo (00:25:19):
It runs through Yeah. Right

Terrance Roberts (00:25:22):
Now all the way to Ello. Right. Yeah. But, um, back then it stopped at Quebec, you know what I mean? But, um, I never had heard, I had been to the mountaintop and I didn't know that he had predicted his own death 24 hours before he was killed. Mm-hmm. So when he did that speech, he was killed like less than 24 hours later. Mm-hmm.

Jay (00:25:41):
<affirmative>. And I think that's a great call out because everybody's talked about the I have a dream rather than I've been to the mountaintop. Right. I think I've been to the mountaintop has here lately been surfaced a lot. But back when we were growing up in history, it was always, or in elementary, I have a dream. So why was that speech? Why did that touch you so much? Because he

Terrance Roberts (00:26:04):
Was going off.

Jay (00:26:05):
He was, he was

Terrance Roberts (00:26:06):
See man, people act like, oh, Martin Luther King was the sophomore that Malcolm X was the hardcore, Malcolm X was hardcore. But what Martin Luther King was doing, like the actions he was doing, the way he was able to gather, which man I, I man, I got a lot of love for, for Malcolm X too. He helped shape who I am too. But I, I started really thinking about activism because Mount Luther King, because not only was he going off on that speech showing like he wasn't playing, but man, if you look into his life, he was trying to shut down Washington. He wasn't playing. Absolutely. Like, you know, he was getting hundreds of thousands of people to go shut down Washington, which would've shut down our economy. We talking about the debt ceiling Yep. And all that. Yep. He was talking about surrounding the White House. Yep,

Co (00:26:46):
Absolutely.

Terrance Roberts (00:26:47):
And shutting down our country.

Co (00:26:48):
Poor people's movement,

Terrance Roberts (00:26:49):
Man, I'm telling you. Like, that brother was deep, but, you know, so people, you know, kind of rag on him like, oh, he had this, this non-violent tendency. Like we should have been shooting back. Like, okay, we'll go do it now, <laugh>. Nah, absolutely. Don't go for that then. Cuz I'm a organizer. It's not like you said about this podcast. Yeah. Organize a protest and see how hard that is.

Co (00:27:09):
No, yeah. No, you

Terrance Roberts (00:27:10):
A hundred. You don't know who got a pistol and the police is around this,

Speaker 1 (00:27:13):
This podcast. Yeah.

Terrance Roberts (00:27:16):
So, um, I, I just started really studying about Martin Luther King when I heard that he got murdered the very next day. And he told the people like, when you get to the mountaintop, I'm gonna be there, but God has shown me the vision. Right. And I was like, what? Then he dies the next day. So I was like, huh, that's deep. So then, um, you know, I started study. I got a, I got a hold of his autobiography. I started studying the Bible, just reading more about activists Malcolm X too. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. Um, I studied the Quran and everything. I mean, I believe in Jesus. I don't go to church mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But I, you know, man, I You're

Co (00:27:49):
Spiritual, not

Terrance Roberts (00:27:50):
Religious. Exactly. But I built with the Muslim brothers too. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. But it was just like one night brother. I was just like, you know what, I had enough man. I did all, I did so much for the Bloods, bro. My grandma fed all them brothers cuz the original bloods was in prison. And when them Crips was forming them tray trays and them rolling thirties mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it was me and my, I was fighting them brothers. Yeah,

Co (00:28:10):
No, absolutely. I was

Terrance Roberts (00:28:11):
Catching them fist and them boots and them bullets and they know it, they'll tell you. Right. They were like, oh no. Terence was out there. Yeah. I'm the one crossing. We caught it crossing the boulevard, going over there and they coming over there. Yeah. You know, so, um, I was just like, and I, and I liked a lot of them brothers, man, I, I grew a hatred for Crips at that time because of the propaganda and the violence mm-hmm. <affirmative> that we were doing. Yeah. But man, I didn't, other than us declaring Colorado Boulevard, the border.

Co (00:28:37):
Yeah. You had no other reason, other reason. You had no other reason to be doing what you was doing.

Terrance Roberts (00:28:41):
No, we all grew up. I was, some of my best friends was on from the east side. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so, um, but you know, I fell off into that and I would just start thinking like, man, I don't wanna, I don't wanna fight my brothers no more, man. Like, I'm cool man. Like, I'm tired of fighting, like Yeah. If I'm gonna fight somebody or kill somebody, it's gonna be, cuz you're disrespecting my, like who I am as a man, as a man. Like, I, I, I can handle my disrespect to my manhood. I'm man enough to be like, okay, whatever brother. But I'm saying if you're trying to attack me, threaten life or something. Yeah. And then I, it was a test to myself cuz I had been to prison at Showbiz. I was running prison yards and it was rough, man. It was hundreds of Crips and the brothers got hands and all that. Absolutely. So we have to be a little more violent and, and I was getting into tons of fights and I was like, I'm gonna do this last stint in prison. I had got a seven year sentence. I was facing habitual criminal. So I was like, God gave me another chance of life. I was like, I'm gonna go do this, do this next four years. Just, I'm, man, my name's Terence. That's scary. Yeah. Whatever happens just happens. But it's like, it it,

Uncle Damo (00:29:41):
You didn't stop fighting. It was a different type of fight.

Terrance Roberts (00:29:44):
Exactly.

Uncle Damo (00:29:45):
You, you put your energy in a different place. Yep. You know what I'm saying? Yep. Like that's, that's what I take from it. Yeah. And Oh, go, no go. No, I,

Jay (00:29:54):
I wanted to let you cook actually. Yeah. Uh, go ahead.

Uncle Damo (00:29:58):
And when you think about the different type of fight that you put out there on the streets of Park Hill, uh, what, what was like something you wanted to like anchor on and say, Hey, this came from Terrence.

Terrance Roberts (00:30:14):
I mean, so initially, man, I'm gonna be honest, I was so happy just not to be gang banging. Mm-hmm. <laugh>, I was in prison. I had my couple little incidents mm-hmm. <affirmative>, like the bloods want to jump on me. Yeah. You know, that never happened. I went and talked to 'em. I grew up with all of them. But you know, in the black gangs, it's not so much as a blood in, blood out as much. You know what I'm saying? Got it. They, they tried to pull it out one on me, but hey, you know, it's kind of like a get beat out. But I was like, man, I'm not following those rules no more. Nor am I checking in. But them brothers have respect for me. Man. We all grew up in Park Hill back then most of the bloods was off from Park Hill. Yeah. Right now all the blood, now it's bloods from everywhere you mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah.

Jay (00:30:50):
You might have, that's like the new movement black man while coming around. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

Uncle Damo (00:30:53):
Yeah. But you mind if I ask one more? Um,

Jay (00:30:55):
Yeah, go ahead.

Uncle Damo (00:30:55):
Yeah. And then, so then during the doc in like during the news story and the doc, which was woven into the documentary mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, there was some friction between, you know, you and the people, excuse me, the, the community as to why you were there and you got into an argument. Yeah. Like what was the catalyst for that? So

Jay (00:31:17):
Go wait, go ahead real quick because I think this will lead into that. Okay. So I do want you to talk about, cuz I think this goes into the timeline of you creating prodigal, prodigal son. Right. And like tell us a little bit about when you got outta prison and then that movement of Prodigal your son and then it gets to that I thing.

Terrance Roberts (00:31:36):
Yeah. So yeah. So after I went through my first little I incidence in prison, it became love after that. Yeah. So I got baptized in prison. I had all the Bloods, Crips, the Northo, CNOs, everybody came. It was crazy. Absolutely. So they were moving me around. I stopped a riot in Fremont Canyon City, which is the old shadow mountain. Um, I had influence man, but positive influence and brothers like me man. Like, I was just chilling man. So I was like accepted in, in the community in prison. But I was a gang dropout and I am a gang dropout. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I was a high level blood gang member. Now I'm not. And it was a little weird for all of us cuz even from Park here, everybody just kind of knew me as showbiz.

Jay (00:32:15):
Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And that's hard to break. Right. Because that's what they know you as. I'm

Terrance Roberts (00:32:18):
Terrance and you know, I'm nerdy looking. Yeah. I got my glasses on, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's like, I'm on on purpose. I'm nerdy looking. I'm just cool. Um, I get outta prison, man. I was in the halfway house I had a job at at Einstein Bagels. Mm-hmm.

Uncle Damo (00:32:32):
<affirmative>. Okay.

Terrance Roberts (00:32:32):
Started working at Einstein's and the first poor kids I started working with were actually Cherry Creek High School kids. Wow. Because there's so many poor Polish kids. Yeah. There's poor people everywhere. Yeah. But it was some of the poor kids who went to Cherry Creek who didn't fit in with John Elway's kids. Got it. Who didn't fit in with some of them rich realtors kids in Greenwood Village. And they were getting bullied by some of those kids. Okay. So I let 'em come into the, you know, I was starting managing the, um, the shop. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Cause I got out of the halfway house mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But I, I stayed there for three years. So I started managing that and I started letting 'em come in cuz you know, at the end of the shift and at Einstein's it's like five gallons square things of coffee. You gotta dump the coffee. Yep. And you got bagels. You got bagels. So I was giving 'em away the women's centers, all that stuff. Cause all that stuff you either wrap it up if it's time to dump it like some of the meat or whatever. Yeah. Somethingm throwing away all kind of food. Got Yeah. So I told him, man, like after school, if y'all want to come into the shop,

Jay (00:33:28):
Come on in. I got you. Yeah.

Terrance Roberts (00:33:29):
It's nothing like, I got you. You get a bagel, man. It's nothing like I'm about to literally throw it in the garbage. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. If you want somebody that coffee, hurry up, come get it cuz just make sure you get it before I need to dump in and be gone. Yeah. Right. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So that's when Wildling out came out on mtv. Yeah. Yeah. Man, I started off with five little poor kids from Cherry Creek. Man, we had 30 some kids in there,

Jay (00:33:50):
<laugh>.

Terrance Roberts (00:33:51):
But they was in the front long as I was mopped. And, and it was cool. They wasn't no big deal. They was in there doing welling out trying to rap. It was black kids, Asian kids, Latino kids, white kids. That's dope. Dope. So then some of the rich kids started coming. So Einstein's almost, they pretty much fired me. <laugh>. I didn't get fired, but I got fired. Yeah. Well cause

Jay (00:34:11):
It's on my day off school program. Yeah.

Terrance Roberts (00:34:13):
Yeah. They don't have afterschool program insurance, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Right. Right. But one of the parents didn't complain, but they, they said something. Yeah. They asked about it, but it was a good thing for their kid. So they actually kind of called and was giving me like a, uh, like props, like Yeah.

Jay (00:34:27):
Oh. And that's how they called. So like Oh, tell us more. Yeah, absolutely. Oh

Terrance Roberts (00:34:32):
Yes. Every night

Jay (00:34:33):
He has the kids <laugh>. They're like, what? Every night? Yeah. He kills. This might be a liability. No, I got you.

Terrance Roberts (00:34:38):
So we, we, we, we had the kids in there one night cuz it was me and another coworker. Yeah. Um, and they was knocking on the door, boom, boom, boom. They had they badges. They looked like the fbi but it was Einsteins

Jay (00:34:50):
Einstein. Fpi the bagel ba a bagel bagel bagel bands. Bagel bandits.

Terrance Roberts (00:34:55):
Yeah. They beating on the door. Boom, boom, boom. I'm like, they like, yeah, nah, come on. They like Terrance. This is our story. Cuz um, the Denver Post had written like this, this or the Rocky Mountain News had written like a article on me. So like the parents. So they was giving me money

Jay (00:35:09):
And everything.

Terrance Roberts (00:35:09):
Got it. I raised $40,000. So I started product with son working there, but I only got my 5 0 1 Cun [inaudible] to take kids hiking G Grafton. Mm. Because I had took kids to Chatauqua Park in Boulder. Yeah. I spent like two 50. I didn't have that kind of money. I was still on parole. $250, two 50,000 took no $250. Oh, okay. But I didn't have $250 to be.

Jay (00:35:30):
No, absolutely.

Terrance Roberts (00:35:30):
So I file for my five one CUN [inaudible] Just to get to get a few hundred dollars. Yeah. Yep. But when that article came, some of them Greenwood Village, the first money I ever had was from them white parents in Greenwood Village. Mm. Yeah. I raise like $40,000. Which was good though because So what happened was they came in, the restaurant was like, Terence, we appreciate what you're doing. We've heard good things. We can't have all these kids in here, so

Jay (00:35:53):
Unfortunately we can't have these kids, but we'll help you out elsewhere.

Terrance Roberts (00:35:57):
So then a couple weeks later, my manager, who was there, who was like above me, he was like the, the the district manager. Yeah. Yeah. Got it. He comes into the store and was like, um, man, like you getting too big for us. You know what I mean? Like Yeah. You, you might need to, you should probably like, man, you don't want to work here.

Jay (00:36:14):
Absolutely.

Terrance Roberts (00:36:15):
Should probably, you should probably go. Yeah. Yeah. Like get your Big s Sw Penitentiary.

Jay (00:36:21):
<laugh> afterschool

Terrance Roberts (00:36:22):
Program. Afterschool program. But that ain't

Jay (00:36:26):
Really what we wanted. You look too scary to be serving bagels. Man. It

Terrance Roberts (00:36:29):
Was weird cuz some of the kids like, cuz I used to be sw like I used to be like, cause I

Jay (00:36:33):
Was fresh out. Used to be You still look like you Well I'm trying again. I'm trying like you're in shape 10, but Uhhuh. But, um, over there looking like Courtney. Oh shit. <laugh> shoot. Courtney two linebackers, huh? Yeah. Yeah. But, um,

Terrance Roberts (00:36:46):
But um, but nah man. So they kind of was like, man, you getting too big first. That was his way of saying Liket. Start looking for a gig, man. Got it. I hadn't done nothing wrong, but it was just a lot of attention. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So we shut down that. So two weeks later, man, this sister named Melody, who was from New Orleans, but she worked for the, um, for the Denver Children's Home and another brother, uh, it was a white dude named Matt. They both worked for the Denver Children's Home. They read the article about me and they had came into Einstein's before and seen me interacting. I didn't even know they had come in there. Got it. They literally came in there one day, was like, Hey man, you think what you think about working for the Denver Children's Home? Mm-hmm. I was like, what I gotta do?

(00:37:23):
They was like, so what's the program? So this is how my activism really got started. I have my five one [inaudible] three where Product sons. Yep. So I was saving that money, but I started working three fourths time for the Denver Children's Home. The school or the residential? The residential over there. Okay. I got you. I got you off a cofaq in Albion. Got it. Okay. Yeah. And that's the first nonprofit. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> in Colorado's history is the Denver orphanage. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So even though I'm a felon, they, the executive director made me write like an excuse for all, all my crimes and they had to give it to the board of directors. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, all that. They gave me a job as an educational liaison. Yep. And there were seven of us. Yep. So my job was like the truancy cop. Like if a kid who wasn't 16 yet wasn't going to school, it was my job to try to get them to go back to school because they could get charges their parents could get charged. Got. Which is gonna ruin their, their Cause once your mom or dad get a ticket, it's in the courts now. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> ain't no nah, nah, you gotta go to court. You don't go to court, you get a warrant.

Jay (00:38:18):
Gotta get processed. It's

Terrance Roberts (00:38:20):
School to prison pipeline. But it wasn't school to prison just for the kids. It's school to prison. For the parents. For the parents. Yep. So our job was to now they've changed that for the most part. I don't know how much, but I know they, they're not just directly giving parents tickets like that. So my job was to just really get the, uh, get the kids to go back to school without the all seven of us. I was the most successful. So I would go pick up kids and take 'em to school. Like, man, come on fool. Like, get up. You

Jay (00:38:44):
Know? Yeah, absolutely.

Terrance Roberts (00:38:45):
When I had little rocker kids, I had all kind of emo kids, black kids, little Crips,

Jay (00:38:50):
And didn't matter.

Terrance Roberts (00:38:51):
Come in. It was all good. So I couldn't take 'em to school all the time. Some of 'em failed, but I was getting a lot of kids in the school and working with 'em. I had a case. Um, I had a caseload about 55 kids. But even, even if you made a difference in one kid,

Jay (00:39:04):
That's this podcast.

Terrance Roberts (00:39:05):
Dope busting. That is dope, man. So what happened though was Oprah was doing the Big Give. Okay. I don't know if y'all remember that. She went on this activist tangent for a while. Like outside of her show where she was giving them like a million dollars. Oh yeah. Yeah. So she picked the Denver Children's Home. She broke the Denver Children's home off. So they Wow. She broke us off so much. Yeah. So I was buying my clients beds. Yeah. Nice. So it was like a warehouse full of clothes from a different grant at the same time where I could go get like dock pants and um, button up shirts. And it was like fake starter gear. It wasn't fake. It was starter gear from Canada. <laugh> fake, like the mob Ducks and

Jay (00:39:40):
<laugh>

Terrance Roberts (00:39:41):
Like thes

Jay (00:39:42):
And stuff. Yeah. I got you a

Terrance Roberts (00:39:44):
It wasn't, it wasn't fake, but it was fake. The

Speaker 8 (00:39:46):
Montreal Archs. Yeah. Malo, Montreal az.

Terrance Roberts (00:39:49):
It was

Jay (00:39:50):
Not ex

Terrance Roberts (00:39:50):
United States teams. Yeah. But I, I had access to it. Got it. At that time I had a white pickup truck. So I was loading up the pickup truck. Going

Jay (00:39:58):
To Baltimore back home. Huh?

Terrance Roberts (00:39:59):
Going to the Park Hill barbers, going to Hollywood Barbers pulling up just like, Hey, if y'all want some pants,

Jay (00:40:05):
Here you go.

Terrance Roberts (00:40:06):
You know what I'm saying? As long as you wins up 49 or like a 58. I got you. Like, I got all the sizes, but like, this is what I got today. So I was handing out all that stuff, but I was still at the different children's home. I, man I was paying my clients electrical bills. Yeah. Cause we had to give the money away. So I'm like, Hey, you need a new bed? It's probably 5 5 1. [inaudible] get a bread. We bought one of my clients a used car. Yep.

Jay (00:40:28):
Damn. So, so it seemed like you was just doing a lot, giving away. Naturally.

Terrance Roberts (00:40:32):
I was a conduit

Jay (00:40:33):
Raising money. Like it, was there a gift for

Terrance Roberts (00:40:36):
That? Well, I wasn't raising money there. I was getting paid a salary.

Jay (00:40:39):
Yeah. Oh, to, oh,

Terrance Roberts (00:40:41):
I was getting paid a sa Oh, I don't know. Somebody knocking at the door. No,

Jay (00:40:44):
No,

Terrance Roberts (00:40:44):
You're good. Okay. Um,

Jay (00:40:46):
It's your store, man. What are you looking at us for? I'm not security. Um, but let, let's fast forward a little bit because I think that gets into everything that you've done as far as a community organizer, which are, uh, 5 0 1 [inaudible] as far as nonprofit raising money, the Miracle, the Peace Courts. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, I was part of that. Uh, you know, that movement when you were, uh, doing that and then creating the, uh, boys and Girls Club at Ans Schultz. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Right. And then DMO had a great, uh, segue into like, you started having trouble with that because you're naturally for the people. Right. Like you're a people's champ. As you were going through that, you started to notice changes in things like, uh, when it came to raising money and funding how people expected you to spend money. Yeah. And you talked about the cba, I believe, which is the Oh,

Terrance Roberts (00:41:43):
Community benefits agreement.

Jay (00:41:44):
Yes. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And your, the thing that you were starting to realize is that, hey, as I'm building this stuff, I want to contract work to my own people. Yeah. Right. And those that are disenfranchised. And you were finding out that was hard to do, getting a lot of pushback. Can you talk about your experiences with that and why you think things went a little bit sour as far as where you imagined as you were raising money and getting into this dream of yours?

Terrance Roberts (00:42:15):
Well, it went sour because it was such a good program. They didn't want me to be the face of it. Hmm. And it is not me because of your background. Cause of my background. Got it. Cause I wear nuggets. Hats. Yep. Cause I dress just like we dress right now. Yeah.

Jay (00:42:27):
Authentic. Yeah. Just yourself.

Terrance Roberts (00:42:29):
I'm from, I'm from Northeast Denver. Like I, I listen to hip hop, I wear Nikes, I wear Jordans, I wear Chuck Taylors, I wear bands. Yeah. And what's wrong with what I'm wearing? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And so I was dealing with like the Denver Foundation, some of these other foundations. And I'm gonna just tell y'all right now, Denver does not like to see strong black men who's not going with the flow. Like, we're not used to that type of revolutionary, nor was I trying to be a rabble-rouser. Yeah. Nor was I playing the game. I, I wasn't thinking about playing the game or being a rabble-rouser. But once we brought in the Anschutz once, you know, I was already had the Denver Nuggets coming cuz uh, one of my board members worked for Croy Sports. So, you know, we was already bringing Rocky to the Holly. We didn brought the real Rick Ross t everybody. Absolutely. You know, so, um,

Jay (00:43:14):
Yeah, real connections

Terrance Roberts (00:43:16):
Was check. We was the positive check-in. If you come to Denver, we was like, come to the Holly or come to the Five points. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Um, so we was already doing all that. But once it got big, once the money came, the $5 million came. Um, once everything started going up, you know, it, it was just like, well, we don't really want you to be the face of it. We want Albert Brooks. I'm like, Albert Brooks has <laugh>. He said Albert Brooks <laugh>. Yeah. No, and no disrespect like

Jay (00:43:41):
Commercial. No, no. I got you. We

Terrance Roberts (00:43:42):
Got our own. Yeah. Disagreements politically, but I'm being honest. Yeah. Like, I'm not going like, you're not gonna sugarcoat it. There's not no disrespect to Elvis, but it was like, is for one, he's not from this community. He knows nothing about Bloods and Crips. I, me and Mike Johnston, y'all interviewed him. Yeah. We, we had our office over there. We dealt with them people every day. Yep. Just, just trust me brother. You don't wanna be in the H when somebody's drunk aunt come up in there yelling. You talked about this man in the dock. Yeah. You don't, and that's thing, you know, you disrespect hers. 12 bloods coming in there, they'll beat your whole Mm. Your whole office up. They, they'll burn your office down, bruh. That someone could get killed anything. Absolutely. So, you know, black people in Northeast Park Hill, they want quality five points.

(00:44:24):
Like they want quality stuff. Like, you know what I mean? Because our people come from Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Texas running these businesses, moving to Denver. These were very astute, like well manicure black communities before the gentrification and the poverty and crack came. Yes. Yes. So people was coming in there like, what's going on? What's up with this, with this, with this arson building here? What's going on with the violence? Yeah. Because I did start getting media attention. So people were questioning me like, well what's up Terrence, since I seen you on Fox 31. Right. What's up with that though? Right there bruh. Yeah. Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. We got 25 bloods hanging out all day. 50 bloods. They might, it might be a hundred. And next thing you know, you be sitting at the table with our kids and little so and so from LA is here. It's a hundred cars been pulled up for. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Shootings. My, I was there with my kids when there was shootings in the Holly. Yeah. Right. So then once we get the project going, it's going well. We get national attention. Uh, I've done the work to get it cleaned up

Jay (00:45:23):
A lot of positivity.

Terrance Roberts (00:45:25):
The You Urban Learning Conservancy purchased it, but I got a land use agreement. Yep. So even though U c purchased it, I had, that's how I even beat my case. I had a land use agreement for the Holly that I had to relinquish to even to give the rest of the development. Because e even though I didn't own the property, like you may not own your house or your apartment, but you're renting it or leasing it. So all of the equipment that was on there, those tables, cuz Zebo Playgrounds, the basketball courts was owned by Prodigal Sun. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you'll see bought the land. But I, I was in control of it. I ensured it everything. Right. So it was like, that was our furniture

Jay (00:45:59):
Donation from the nuggets as far as the

Terrance Roberts (00:46:01):
Hoops, all of that stuff. Oh man, I, I, man, I, I spent like almost 400,000 on that, a land use agreement. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> <affirmative>. So, um, and that was just me just renting it or leasing it to say, man, let us do these courts until a development or something happens. Absolutely. Yeah. But that also put me in control of what kind of development

Jay (00:46:19):
It's

Terrance Roberts (00:46:20):
Happening there. So. Cause I could have, so I kind of played a little bit <laugh>. Yeah. Because I was like, no, but if we don't want no wig shop here, cuz you ain't about to have my people, man. Cuz I love Park y I love the east side. Like, nah, this is a strong black community.

Jay (00:46:33):
And you know what the people need and want though.

Terrance Roberts (00:46:35):
We needed a youth center over there. Yes. More than babies. Yes. Yes. And that's what we got. Um, and, and that was a little bit later, you know, but once we started getting that and then we got the youth center and all that stuff started coming, um, people wanted control of it. They wanted to be in the media, they wanted to. So, you know, they started bringing people like, you know, Hancock and Brooks. Yeah. And it was not to be disrespectful to them, but I'm from the community we had in Park Hill had been working on that stuff. And

Jay (00:47:03):
Where were y'all at before

Terrance Roberts (00:47:04):
All this? And that's, and, and, and I wasn't, I was just being honest about that. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And it's like, no, you could work with us, man. You're the honorable councilman. Yeah. Like, like no one's tripping on you. Yeah. But if you gonna speak like, you didn't even believe in this. Okay, now you got elected, but now you speaking because the Denver foundation's here, we might as well let so-and-so from Park Hill speak or so-and-so who these other brothers speak, who's from the east side also came to help us stop the violence. Right. Because they wanted to be heard. They wanted to talk. Mm-hmm.

Jay (00:47:34):
<affirmative>, they should be given the credit. But I'm

Terrance Roberts (00:47:35):
Telling them like, you can't talk, but, but Elvis is talking. Right. And so we started having them kind of issues. So then we had this community benefits agreement for the development of Holly. Oh yeah. We'll hire the people. Right. But it's like, if one person from the five points of Park, he'll make one mistake. It's like, oh, we gotta get rid of Donnie. But we got this dude from Lakewood pulling up.

Jay (00:47:59):
He might make the same mistakes. Was

Terrance Roberts (00:48:01):
Making the same mistakes. They was over there getting drunk, bro. Whistling at women. I had to flash on them like, bro, don't whistle at no women walking through here. Not, not even one. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Right. She don't know who's mom or

Jay (00:48:12):
No. Absolutely. To be my mom. No. Absolutely. Like,

Terrance Roberts (00:48:14):
You know, so like, it is bloods everywhere. It's Crips rolling through there shooting the bloods. The bloods is running up on cars, popping in the cars. It was all kinds of stuff going on over there, man. Like it's the holly. Yeah.

Jay (00:48:26):
Right.

Terrance Roberts (00:48:27):
So, you know, we was just starting to have those kinds of issues. Like they didn't want me, they started having meetings without me. Mind you, I got like a quarter of a million dollars of property

Jay (00:48:37):
<laugh>. No, absolutely. Sit

Terrance Roberts (00:48:38):
On the space <laugh>.

Jay (00:48:40):
But I can't be at the meetings or in the rooms y'all are talking about.

Terrance Roberts (00:48:42):
I had done nothing wrong. Even when I disagreed with him, I wasn't belligerent or cursing. I, I know when to wear a suit. I know how to act. I had a board of directors. I had been raising millions of dollars with prodigal son. It was racism. A lot of what happened to me. And I just from white people, our own people will get with white people to hold their position and be like, all right, I don't like what Courtney or Jay, I don't like his energy. Or Jay asked the wrong question in front of mm-hmm. <affirmative>, Mr. So-and-so mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Right. And so we started having that type of energy, but then there was other black leaders, people's moms and stuff was involved. So it just got kind of messy. But then I was honest about what I felt was happening to me because our, our com you know, you go to the Holly's like, man, that, that's no representation of nobody from the east side. Nobody from parking <laugh>. Yeah.

Jay (00:49:29):
Nobody, if they won all the crew, that's what

Terrance Roberts (00:49:31):
Made you walk out the room. Yeah. Well, I mean, so they still, I still had a lease that they had the honor that I was moving into the building since I raised the money for free rent. But that's when I was like, you know what? It's already going happen. So the product with Sun kids got to pick the colors. If you look at the colors on that building, you'll see it was my campaign colors, which is mainly like the green green, the brown or you know, the camo. Yeah. All that. So they, it is like a camo. We had the camo building. Absolutely. So people don't understand. So we picked the color scheme and everything, but it was me

Jay (00:50:03):
And her had the shirts on. I'm remember. Yeah.

Terrance Roberts (00:50:04):
So that was like about the last power move. I got to pull. I could have stayed though at the table. I could have stayed, but it was like, no, I'm gonna be the voice of the people who feel left out because it's going up. It you

Speaker 9 (00:50:16):
Ready to bug you with that bath. But nah, that's dope. I could have this podcast.

Terrance Roberts (00:50:20):
I couldn't do no bigger than a hissy fit other than, and now I'm being harassing or I'm being ignorant.

Jay (00:50:26):
So real though. Cuz I think and co brought up this question, uh, pre-production, the, uh, park Hill Golf course. Cause I think this is a perfect example of what you just took this through and you have the experience of like, Hey, there's land here that people want to build on and do something with mm-hmm. <affirmative> for whatever reason. You know, like you were doing positive things with that and you were trying to empower your people and give them jobs. Yeah. Because when people are working statistically it shows less violence. Right. So with the Park Hill Golf course, I feel like that's an opportunity for that. You've been through it though. So like how realistic is it? Like yes. If we start to build on the Park Hill golf course, if you agree or disagree, I would love to get your thoughts on that. How can we, how can it benefit the people that live there and provide jobs, et cetera and all that. Like what, what are your thoughts on raising the easement on the golf golf hill golf

Terrance Roberts (00:51:28):
Course? I mean, so I was a no on to up at the beginning. I was one of the first people that was a no on it. And this is why. So I know we need more affordable housing, but the way affordable housing, if you listen to my campaign, we need more public housing, then people can go to attainable housing <laugh>, then people can go to affordable housing. So affordable housing is two steps away from what they were, from what we really need to, to make a dent in our homeless population. So now African Americans make up less than 10% of Denver's population, but almost half of our homeless population is African Americans drive to to cofaq and downing. Look at them bus stops. Yep. And you'll see absolutely how many black folks up and down cofaq drive to the five points drive to the triangle. We make up less than 10% of this city's population. But, but 50% of our, almost 50% mm-hmm. <affirmative> of our homeless population. Wow. It's ridiculous. That's crazy. It's ridiculous. So,

Uncle Damo (00:52:26):
Um, why wouldn't one argue mental health on

Terrance Roberts (00:52:31):
That? Well, no, some of it is mental health is various reasons why. Some of it is, which is a form of mental health. Drug addiction. Yeah. Sexual addiction. Some people don't have no problems. They're like, yo, grandma died. My auntie, she crazy. Yeah. I'm just good. Yeah. I'm, I'm just, I'm cool.

Jay (00:52:47):
Right. Like, it's like, this is what I want to do. Sure.

Terrance Roberts (00:52:49):
I'm sleeping in here in the Platte River, my cheek. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We both kind of crazy. Anyway.

Jay (00:52:54):
We got some Bud <laugh>. No, that's

Terrance Roberts (00:52:57):
And they

Jay (00:52:57):
Don't,

Terrance Roberts (00:52:57):
Many

Jay (00:52:58):
Much

Terrance Roberts (00:52:58):
Counseling just can't. Yeah. They just can't afford. So I know we need more housing, but I'm saying we need more public, there's nothing wrong with public housing if it's built and managed well, plenty of African Americans have made it to doctor them. N b NFL rap music, uh, from public housing out of Denver as well. We have public housing. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, they've lowered our public housing for for profit for developers. I'm saying no, we need to add those units back and add more to help get our people off the streets. So what was, what what West side investors were talking about in the, in, in, in the golf course was adding from 600 to possibly 2,500 units. We already have the five points has been gentrified. San Francisco was the number one gentrified city in America. But you know why that place is shit hole. San Francisco though got gentrified because, and it is downtown. Is downtown is, which extends Yes. But

Jay (00:53:58):
Downtown is nice. Like the mission. Yeah. Soho. But yeah.

Terrance Roberts (00:54:02):
But they got a trillion dollar tech boom. Yeah. That's the difference. You know, where the, we don't, you know, we got a bunch of apartments, <laugh> mm-hmm <affirmative>, which has made Denver the number two gentrified city in the entire nation. Wow. We're talking about Oklahoma City, Seattle, Portland, uh, LA talking about, name it, thousands of cities. DC we're number two. That's crazy. We're number two. Not cuz we got a trillion dollar tech boom cuz we got a bunch of apartments. A lot of 'em are sitting empty. But a bunch of billionaires became richer. But black people in Denver we're struggling, brother. So they pushed all these people off the five points. There are no surviving businesses right now. Melody's market is gone. Coffee on the points is gone. Um, all the businesses is gone. Street market's gone and everything's gone separate.

Jay (00:54:51):
Check. Well the street was almost gone.

Terrance Roberts (00:54:53):
Almost. Yeah. Yeah. All all of those businesses. Absolutely. So, so we've decimated the five points with gentrification because of apartment buildings. So now we want to do right on Colorado Boulevard, we have one third of black people still left in Northeast Park Hill. It was almost 100%. Now it's, that was even unheard of. Especially crazy. See like Denver, it's crazy. It's black culture. It was like Los Angeles or Oakland in Northeast Park Hill when the five points. Yes, absolutely man. So now it's, now it's one third African American, which is still a high number. <laugh>. So what is adding 600 to 2,500 departments on Carl Boulevard is gonna do, it's gonna add a bunch of young white couples. This was, it's gonna add a bunch of young white couples. Who's to say they would've given those jobs to black construction companies or black workers? They didn't do it in the Holly.

(00:55:47):
We did have issues with black contractors having the insurance, having their stuff together, unfortunately to get some of the bigger contracts that they probably could have gotten that didn't have the equipment. This, and some of that stems from systemic racism cuz a lot of white men's daddies and mamas had, and it got handed down truck and it got handed down. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But we didn't have that. Right. So it's still, even though we had a community benefits agreement, it's all that money still went to white people and some smaller Latino companies who had they should be the resources to, to, to do, to do the work. Got it. So now we adding two. Let's just, let's just go, let's just, let's just do a middle ground on what they wanted to add. Let's say now we got 1500 new units mm-hmm. <affirmative> at scale. A portion of them are supposed to be low income <laugh>. Right. That's not gonna move no Black Park Hill people back like, oh, I left Park Hill. They just built some apartments. I'm moving back to Undeni the community. No. That would've added thousands of more white people to further now intensify the remainder of Northeast Park Hill. And I just don't see, they didn't do a traffic study on Carl Boulevard. It's already too hard to go north or south in Coral Boulevard. Mm-hmm.

Jay (00:57:03):
<affirmative>, I, I understand that point.

Terrance Roberts (00:57:04):
You know, Martin Luther the King Boulevard. So that was my only reason. And I'm not against development, I'm not against developing in black communities. I fight for black people, but just that particular, nor do I want it to just be a golf course. Yeah. Like Northeast Park Hills, a food desert. I, I'm down forward to, to get a food market there where it's fresh food. Yeah. I'm down forward to to, to have the, the, the Prince Hall and the Pirates. And I got you have a water fountain there and, and gardens. And we can go and kick

Jay (00:57:31):
In athletic fields or something like that

Terrance Roberts (00:57:33):
In the park. I don't want to just be a dried up golf course, but I, I don't, why do I care about West side investors making a billion dollars off of 2000 extra units in Northeast Park Hill? Cuz a few brothers was gonna make a little money off the top when it was just going to totally wash out the rest of Northeast Park Hill. And that's why I stood against it. Cause I'm like, okay, how's Northeast Park Hill gonna benefit other than now we got thousands of white people who moved the blacks off the five points going east. Now they going to do it again. <laugh> on Carl Boulevard, move these black folks. We can't all live in, in, in Green Valley Ranch. Man,

Jay (00:58:11):
This

Terrance Roberts (00:58:11):
Part. So that's my reason in the behind it. Um, I just think that there's better areas. If you look at an aerial view of Denver and you go to the Park Hill Golf course and you span out, you could go to Google Earth. There's no more green land over there except for Skyland Park. And that's not really no park where we can just be kicking it and hanging out. And that's a good one. You could, but if you're not really from Park Hill and that's not your area or your community Yeah. You're not really gonna be over there.

Jay (00:58:38):
Yeah. Well, I, you know, and you know more about it than we do. And it, I think the way that it was sold, like, I'm glad we're getting your perspective. Yeah. Because we're, we're civilians, if that's what you wanna call it. You're a civilian too. But you're in politics and you're just in that world of like, we thought of it different in the way it was explained to us. It's okay.

Terrance Roberts (00:58:57):
Cause so many brothers, I mean, I know that it could have brought equity and people was like, yo, we could bring home ownership. My thing was just for who? But there's steps to who to that ownership. My But that's what you, that's what I told you. That's what I'm saying. Because if somebody's chronically homeless, so we have about 8,000 homeless people in Denver. We got about 14 to 1500 people sleeping on the streets every night. Half of those are black people. And that other 8,000 is people sleeping in people's basements, sleeping in hotels. Like, I can't get a, like we live in a hotel, so we're not homeless, homeless, but we paying this rent every week at this extended state. No

Jay (00:59:34):
Ownership and just

Terrance Roberts (00:59:35):
Not no ownership. And those are mainly black people and Latino people in Denver. You're right. White people have a lot. There's poor white people too. There's poor homeless white people, but white people make up over 60% of Denver's population right now. Right. And they're not representing in our homeless population. Yeah. You know, talk to, so my thing is this, even if somebody is not chronically homeless and they're living in somebody's basement, man, I've been in that situation where me and my homeboys was in, we done ran away. We in the homie's basement. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And they mom, she bipolar, she tired of us. We didn't ate the chili <laugh>.

Jay (01:00:09):
When y'all gonna get out my house, even though I love my food.

Terrance Roberts (01:00:12):
Yeah. We, we ain't cleaned up upstairs and she's slamming the cabinets. She's

Jay (01:00:15):
Like, get out Gaos your homeboy. Shit.

Terrance Roberts (01:00:19):
I got two ball.

Jay (01:00:20):
That's like another family. Two

Terrance Roberts (01:00:21):
Ball. Yeah. We were stealing cars, bro.

Jay (01:00:24):
This car

Terrance Roberts (01:00:25):
Stealing

Jay (01:00:26):
Dance. Well, let's have a little fun, man. We got this game called this or that. All right. And it's just two, it's a choice. No context. If you want to pass, just feel free to pass. Okay. All right. So welcome to this or that. Yes. This, this part. You'll see how this goes for you. First question, and think of questions, y'all, if y'all got something right. All right. Malcolm X or Martin Luther King Jr.

Terrance Roberts (01:00:51):
Uh, Malcolm X. Okay.

Jay (01:00:54):
Stokely Carmichael or Fred Hampton.

Terrance Roberts (01:00:58):
Um, I'm gonna say Fred Hampton.

Jay (01:01:01):
Okay. Ice Cube or Snoop Dogg

Terrance Roberts (01:01:05):
Ice Cube.

Jay (01:01:06):
He's riffing him off. E 40 or too short?

Terrance Roberts (01:01:09):
E 40. I like short, but

Jay (01:01:12):
No, no, no. Yeah. Hey man. Hey. Don't be that

Terrance Roberts (01:01:15):
Federal over there. I

Jay (01:01:15):
Still <laugh>. Uh, LA Russell or Simba?

Terrance Roberts (01:01:21):
Who's La Russell?

Jay (01:01:23):
Uh, nope.

Terrance Roberts (01:01:23):
So just say Simba <laugh>.

Jay (01:01:25):
He's, uh, Katherine Oakland. Yeah. Rapper.

Terrance Roberts (01:01:28):
Okay. You know, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not familiar

Jay (01:01:30):
With either of Okay.

Terrance Roberts (01:01:32):
Both. I, I'm, I'm more familiar with Simba. Okay. But hey, make that decision until I know more about La

Jay (01:01:37):
Russa. All right. Okay. We'll count that as a pass. Uh, Nicola Yoic or Carmelo Anthony.

Terrance Roberts (01:01:43):
Oh, YOIC. Ooh. Ooh. You said that was,

Jay (01:01:49):
Hey,

Terrance Roberts (01:01:49):
I am mad at you.

Jay (01:01:51):
I'm mad at you at all.

Terrance Roberts (01:01:51):
You winning right now? 24 to 10

Jay (01:01:53):
Up.

Terrance Roberts (01:01:54):
<laugh>.

Jay (01:01:55):
I'm disrespected. Hey, talk to him. I'm,

Terrance Roberts (01:01:58):
I'm partying with him downtown. That might have been a problem. Carmella. What are you doing right now? Hey, I am mad at, yeah,

Jay (01:02:06):
I'm not bet. All right. Uh, that's the easy one. The Holly or Fairfax?

Terrance Roberts (01:02:11):
Um, I'm gonna actually say the Fairfax. What?

Jay (01:02:15):
What? Okay. Oh, okay.

Terrance Roberts (01:02:16):
Grandma. My grandma owned the restaurant.

Uncle Damo (01:02:19):
That's right. Fish marketing.

Jay (01:02:21):
My bad. Talk to him. Alright. Uh, Chow's Kitchen or Madeira's? I should, I didn't know your mom, uh, or your grandmother owned Ana. I would've said that part. So I grew up

Terrance Roberts (01:02:31):
Going to Meiers too. Cause I grew up in the Red Bricks in the, in the, yeah. In the, in the Elm Street apartments before I, before we moved to, uh, Pontiac. But, um, I'ma say Chow's kitchen cuz I mean, the Holly is all of that's my home. But, you know, Chow's kitchen, we mama son. She used to drive me to my house and everything I done ran in there from the Crips, from the police and

Uncle Damo (01:02:49):
Everything. That's, that's

Terrance Roberts (01:02:50):
What, yeah. So say Mama

Co (01:02:52):
Son mean the flies were wings. Way a a But the flies were the, was the, the determinate factor. Amen. Had to be <laugh>. The flies and Madeiras was just utter lynching. It

Terrance Roberts (01:03:00):
Was them chicken wings and chow's kitchen bars. Man.

Co (01:03:03):
Which level?

Jay (01:03:04):
Classic in the, the hood.

Uncle Damo (01:03:05):
There isn't a chicken wing that can match that since to this day,

Terrance Roberts (01:03:09):
Since I survived on them. Chicken wings. Dude. Selling drugs in the holly standing on the, we call it the red

Jay (01:03:14):
Wall. Absolutely. Sitting up

Terrance Roberts (01:03:16):
There, you know, south of 33rd at, uh, miss Wilson's and hanging on that wall. Boy, we get some money and go in the child's

Jay (01:03:23):
Kitchen. Come on, man. 12 wings for like eight bucks. Was it like 12?

Uncle Damo (01:03:27):
Like, it was like 6, 5, 6

Jay (01:03:30):
Or something.

Uncle Damo (01:03:30):
This is when chicken wings were like unheard of, bro. And you get fried rice and chicken,

Co (01:03:35):
Sweet and sour. That's in the world, bro. Sweet and sour baby too sweet and sour. Hot.

Uncle Damo (01:03:40):
That's it. And they used to make you cough. Like you

Terrance Roberts (01:03:43):
Yeah. Madeiras had them burgers. So she had them sack lunches,

Co (01:03:46):
Sack lunch.

Terrance Roberts (01:03:46):
But my grandma had bigger.

Uncle Damo (01:03:48):
Oh

Jay (01:03:48):
Yeah. It was Nas was the

Terrance Roberts (01:03:50):
Shit. I like Madeira. It was, it was, it was different in

Co (01:03:54):
About this thick boy,

Jay (01:03:55):
Boy on a Friday. Yeah. That thing ain't packed. It take you like hour and a half to get your burger. But true. It was worth

Co (01:04:01):
It. And they might tell you, I'm flight making no

Uncle Damo (01:04:03):
Burgers. Exactly. <laugh>. I never, we done the kitchen. You

Co (01:04:07):
Go in there, be like, listen, we ain't making no hamburgers today.

Uncle Damo (01:04:10):
That's funny.

Jay (01:04:12):
All right, last one. And this might be a tough one. You could pass, uh, Mike Johnston or Kelly br.

Terrance Roberts (01:04:18):
I already endorsed Mike. I,

Jay (01:04:19):
So All right. I already endorsed him. Thanks for playing tears. Y'all got one

Co (01:04:24):
Busting,

Uncle Damo (01:04:24):
Busting. I do. I'll save it though. You'll save it. Yeah, I'll save it, man. All right. It was good. But like that, that was good. Yeah. Cool.

Jay (01:04:31):
Yeah. Well, that last question gets us into your run for, uh, Denver Mayer. Yeah. Which is interesting. Uh, and you're one that always shakes things up. Uh, you have done amazing things within the community, so that makes sense why you would be a valuable candidate or a viable candidate for Denver Mayor. But I want to ask you personally, when you were making that run, because within, we keep referring to the Holly Dock, you've definitely stress, you've definitely pointed out, hey, you're not the most like by the city's finest when it comes to politics. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, police, public service. I'll say what gave you the where

Uncle Damo (01:05:22):
The courage.

Jay (01:05:23):
The courage. Thank you. That's the word I'm looking for. To run for Denver Mayor.

Terrance Roberts (01:05:27):
Sure. I dreamed a little dream. You know what I mean? It's like, because it was 58% undecided, really going up until where, you know, it, you know, Michael raised three and a half million. Kelly raised two and a half million. We seen the demographics of who voted people mainly over 55. I mean, that they voted by landslide over everybody, other agents combined. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Wow. And that's who got Mike and Kelly both into the runoff, mainly white people over 55 to 65. So, but we didn't know. We thought I had a chance. We didn't know what would happen. Um, I didn't know. I knew I wasn't gonna be able to raise two and a half or $3 million. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Um, but we've done so much organizing. Um, we figured, shoot, even if I don't get elected, we need to bring up, we need public housing. Yeah. Affordable housing is a buzzword to get people to say, Hey, let's build these apartments over here that Denver really don't need that's gonna move these Latinos out. Right. But it's owned by these rich developers. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, we've displaced these people, but we have affordable housing. Affordable for who? So we coined that term. Um, but

Uncle Damo (01:06:32):
Wait, let, let, let me, let me push on you just real quick. Yeah. And not on you personally, just on the situation. Like, when you think about like a mayoral race, um, there's so many factors involved, so many mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then, like, when you think about you running for mayor, the re the relationships like, nice. That's what it's all about, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it's all about relationships. So you're missing out on not missing out, but you have to build relationships. You have to tell your story. You have to show people why it's important. But at the end of the day, Denver, as we know it now, doesn't connect with your story.

Terrance Roberts (01:07:19):
I know. It's watched. We, we, in a lot of ways, we washed up. And this election kind of showed it a little bit.

Uncle Damo (01:07:23):
It did. No, that's my point.

Terrance Roberts (01:07:25):
We have a black mayor now, just so y'all know. Yeah,

Jay (01:07:27):
No,

Terrance Roberts (01:07:27):
Absolutely. But now we have a, a white man and a white woman who are, who are who've made the runoff. And it is not just about race. I'm not a racist. I, I, I just told y I'll endorse Mike. Absolutely. I'll shared the office with Mike. Absolutely. I'll put my name on Mike.

Jay (01:07:39):
Y'all have a great relationship.

Uncle Damo (01:07:40):
No, and Mike is, Mike is solid, right? He's solid. However

Terrance Roberts (01:07:43):
Solid it goes to show the demographics of voting in Denver. It does. Because we have every progressive candidate that has gleaned off of my platform that just didn't wanna see me do my platform.

Uncle Damo (01:07:53):
So that goes, see what I'm saying? That goes

Jay (01:07:56):
Ran from

Terrance Roberts (01:07:57):
Mayor. They would've treated y the same way Black men. Men

Uncle Damo (01:07:59):
Goes into my point. That goes into my point. So when you think about when, when you're running for mayor, um, there's a lot of hate Yeah. In, in, in like this, this the crab in the bucket syndrome. Oh, yeah. Right. And trying to pull you down when you're trying to lift up. I'm not saying you're the best candidate. I'm not saying saying you're the worst, but like, at the end of the day, like, why not support somebody or at least listen to somebody who's trying to make a difference.

Terrance Roberts (01:08:31):
Yeah. I mean, so we, I felt like all of them should have supported me <laugh>,

Uncle Damo (01:08:35):
To be honest. No, absolutely.

Terrance Roberts (01:08:36):
I got the story. I've done development work, the story, man, I've raised millions of dollars. I've shared the office with Mike

Uncle Damo (01:08:42):
Show

Terrance Roberts (01:08:42):
Improve. We built the Holly, the youth centers there. I beat my case. Yeah. I, I I'm not stupid. I knew there was a big chance I could lose. Absolutely.

Uncle Damo (01:08:50):
No, dude, you're not a stupid dude. You're not at

Terrance Roberts (01:08:53):
All. But, but, but, you know, but we was like, well, let's, and even if I don't win, we gonna make him work harder. Yeah. That's what happened. I mean, so, you know, even the fact that I ran a successful campaign, successful meaning I finished with no scandals. I completed my campaign. It's done. I, I ran, I got my votes. Even, you know, it was 22 people running from mayor. I, I finished in the top 50%. That's my game fame. <laugh>. No, I

Uncle Damo (01:09:18):
Got two. Whatever.

Terrance Roberts (01:09:19):
I finished it. Some people dropped out, couldn't make the runoff. I mean, couldn't make the cut and everything. Absolutely. We hit all our benchmarks. Um, I brought up, like I was saying earlier, public housing. We need a public banking system in Denver. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. All right? Because we were just at the Pepsi Center for a avalanche game a few weeks ago. Do you know that in the Pepsi Center, you can't even use cash. You could drop a bag of cash on the counter. You can't even get a couple. They're

Uncle Damo (01:09:42):
Like, Nope, nope. No. That's across the nation.

Terrance Roberts (01:09:45):
Yeah. So how are you going to get an apartment for affordable housing if you can't even get a bank account? So these are the things I was, I was fighting for. Okay, y'all wanna build the park your golf course for affordable housing, but y'all don't want a public banking system, which generates millions of dollars for our extra infrastructure. You know, I said that Denver needs to be a 24 hour city. Hmm. If we want to, to bring the film industry to Denver, which I'm advocating for the music industry, not just rap music or trap music, country music, Tao music, pop music, all of these things need to come. The artists need to come to Denver in a significant way. And they can't come to Denver in a significant way if we're not operating as a world class city. You can't say you're a world class city if your city shuts down at 1230 and then when your city shuts down, it's known for being violent. We can't even get LA artists to come to Denver sometimes. Wow. No. They're like, I'm cool. Cuz they already know that some of these spots aren't as safe. The flyer looks good. Yeah. But you don't want to be on the five points man at the Roxy. And your security's not tight. Denver's really like Los Angeles in a lot of ways, or like the Bay. But we just don't have the concentration of black people like they used to. Yeah. Like they do still anymore. That part. But it's violent things happen. It is what

Co (01:10:53):
Is So, but so Terence, like, what is your greatest strength, man? So two questions. So what is your greatest strength? And then the next, the next to that is, uh, your greatest worry man for our city. So, so what's, what's Terrence's

Uncle Damo (01:11:07):
Greatest strength come up in the night,

Co (01:11:09):
Right? No. No. What what, what is it inside of you that makes you valuable to the city of Denver? And then what is your biggest worry for our city?

Terrance Roberts (01:11:20):
I mean, my greatest strength is I do know the city and I care about East Denver. Like I, I, I don't have a desire to move to LA or to move to the Bay or I like those places. But when I'm in LA or the Bay, I'm like, okay, <laugh>.

Co (01:11:33):
Yeah,

Jay (01:11:34):
Yeah. Homie in Park Hill. No, absolutely. Walk

Terrance Roberts (01:11:36):
Through the five points like good for y'all. Like I don't, I don't, I'm not impressed. You know what I mean? No disrespect to them. Yeah. They got that history and all that. But I, I got that love and that culture that I got for black people in Denver, you know what I'm saying? Um, and I'm still here for the people. It may not look like me pumping a bullhorn with a camouflage bandana around my neck every single time. Right. But I'm here. I ran, I ran for mayor for black people and brown people in Denver. I didn't mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, like I said, I'm not dumb. I knew I could lose, but I ran to get our platform out there. Somebody who's from the street, somebody who's really from Denver. Really from the Five Points really? From Park Hill. I grew up in the Holly. Like I remember we couldn't get no one at Miss Wilson's.

Jay (01:12:19):
No, absolutely. You

Terrance Roberts (01:12:20):
Know, um, I had my birthday party. I remember Mike said on y'all show, he had his birthday party there. Yeah. Yeah. We got that stuff back popping. Cuz I actually had my birthday there. I grew up in Miss Wilson's. Yeah, right. I grew up going there like Yeah. You couldn't even go in there unless you was like 35, 40 years old. Yep. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? We started going in there to watch Nuggets games. Yep. That's how it started popping.

Jay (01:12:38):
Now you're right.

Terrance Roberts (01:12:39):
Yeah. Yeah. We started going in there to watch Nuggets games and eating that, eating the fish there and eating the burgers there. Yep. And then it started popping, popping to where Mike could do as party to Word. Now, man, it's, it's going down every night in the horizon, you know? So, um, I care about those places, man. I care about the, the black businesses under the five points. I care about homelessness, I care about housing. I said we need rent controls. And then I studied my platform for a year before I even announced my candidacy, you know? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So we had, lets see, Hara, you know, know and, and shout out to Leslie. Um, you know, I drafted Senate Bill two 17, we took it to Leslie. We drafted that in my place. Seven Senate Bill two 17, the police accountability law. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> is the first, uh, police accountability law in the nation. So we draft you

Jay (01:13:18):
Were a part of that.

Terrance Roberts (01:13:19):
Well, we drafted that my place and we took her the initial draft, but she ended up getting it to Jerry POIs and he signed it into Law Juneteenth 2020. Which then we got House Bill 1250 passed. And we also got a no-knock raid band passed for all the organizing myself, Krista Bell and, and Frontline party for revolutionary action was doing in Aurora for Elijah McClain. They passed a no-knock raid bill, you know, auroras deemed as one of the most racist police stations in the whole United States. And they passed the no Nare bill. So what happened to Breonna Taylor can't happen here in Denver. So because of Breonna Taylor, we got our law passed because of Elijah McClain. Um, we got that, we got, um, Senate Bill two 17 pass, which was supposed to be the Elijah McClain Police Accountability bill, but it just ended up being called Senate Bill two 17. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And we got House Bill 1250 passed, which coincides with Senate Bill two 17 saying like, if we were cops, and if I, somebody I have a duty to report you, to say, man, I told Jay not to kill this black man. Your brother was down.

Jay (01:14:18):
Accountability,

Terrance Roberts (01:14:19):
Jay still shot him. Uh, yeah. Uh, you can't uphold the law and break the law. We're not against the police. Yes. Pause

Co (01:14:27):
Now your greatest, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold real quick, Dana. But now your greatest worry for our city.

Terrance Roberts (01:14:31):
Oh yeah. My, my greatest worry is that, I mean, we've lost the black community stronghold. You see black people like us milling around Denver now. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, we don't have any land. We don't, not a lot of black people. There's only a, a couple of cliques of black people who are doing even middle class. Well, no one has a mayback. No one, no one has a Bugatti, no one has a mansion. No one has a swimming pool. I'm

Jay (01:14:54):
Trying to,

Terrance Roberts (01:14:56):
Chauncey has it, I'm sure like, cuz he even live in Denver. Like he's in Portland maybe. I don't know. But he, he, he's a superstar. Like he has guaranteed he made his, um, you know, Robert Smith is a billionaire. We got, we got a few people like that in Denver. But you go to LA or the Bay, which are cities or Chicago, they have thousands, thousands of black people who absolutely, even though they got the thousands of her homicides and hundreds and all that. But man, they got so many black men and women who, who are doing exceptionally well. We don't really have that in Denver. Man. We've lost the five points. Even though the community voted no on two. Oh we still are losing Northeast Park Hill.

Jay (01:15:32):
You were losing Park Hill. Yeah.

Terrance Roberts (01:15:33):
Um, you know, Montello was one of the most violent communities in the United States per capita. That's mainly young, poor Latino kids and young poor black kids. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, the Latino kids are killing each other. The black kids as Bloods and Crips, the Green Valley Ranch is full of violence. I'm an inspector. Just no disrespect to nobody who owns a house in Green Valley Ranch. Those houses are not as sturdy as houses in Park Hill. Park Hill or Green Valley or, or, or the east side. And

Jay (01:16:01):
That's why the gentrification, right. Because people know that is more valuable, more sustainable. I'm gonna move closer in the city because that's better foundation for the house,

Terrance Roberts (01:16:11):
Man. It it living in the inner city.

Jay (01:16:13):
It and that's across the nation. I'm

Terrance Roberts (01:16:15):
Sure. Man. All these kids who grew up in the Subverse listening to rap music has some black friends. We're talking about white kids. And, and, and, uh, there's also, it is classism too. There's rich black people who are also moving who don't care about gentrification. Yeah, yeah. Living in the five points near downtown walkable downtown. That's, that's, that's pretty good living man. Yeah. That is, that's you look out your window and the whole, it, it was a murder zone Crap. It's still bad like that if you a Crip or a young African American male. Yeah. It's dangerous for young black kids on the five points, but it's literally a young white couple's heaven. It is. And and, and they seen the fun we were having. They seen the culture and they seen the music and they wanted that. Now they don't want to hear the music or see it no more. Right. They moved there for it. But now that they're there, they, now they have a five year old daughter and they have a dog. And now they I know. You're

Jay (01:17:05):
Absolutely right, man.

Terrance Roberts (01:17:06):
So they're pushing, I'm pushing that out. That we're losing black and brown culture. Literally. We're losing it in Denver.

Jay (01:17:14):
And you know what's, and this is what's sad, which plays into your whole story in your run for mayor, is that a lot of people don't realize that Denver are, is one of the few cities that have had black mayors and multiple, you know what I mean, in

Terrance Roberts (01:17:31):
Latino mayors

Jay (01:17:32):
Yeah. In a diversity when it comes to mayors city council. Absolutely. So it's

Terrance Roberts (01:17:36):
Like African American and Latino, uh, state senators.

Jay (01:17:39):
Absolutely.

Terrance Roberts (01:17:40):
Um, all of those things, man. Um, um, house district representatives is not all that. Not, is not like this is some racist Southern no state. A lot of it is, is is,

Jay (01:17:51):
And that's

Terrance Roberts (01:17:51):
What I get myself into trouble. It is, it's a lack of real stern leadership from people of color who we've, without to mention, without mentioning anyone's name in particular Right. Just saying, man, we've had leaders of color, but yet we're the number two gentrified.

Jay (01:18:05):
There it is. Wow. And then moving forward, those that have that diversity in council, uh, you know, in public service is just gonna diminish because everybody is not, there is no diversity. Right.

Terrance Roberts (01:18:16):
Are are what happened in this mayoral election. And some of the progressives who are still fighting for their seats on these runoff elections for city council goes to show Denver is a progressive white city That's actually pretty racist. So it is showing white people in Denver do like to smoke weed. They, they do all the fun stuff. They just don't want to see anymore black people

Jay (01:18:41):
Around there. <laugh>,

Terrance Roberts (01:18:44):
We might not call you nigger, but if you look on our Facebook page, it's all white people at the house. You know, just that kind of racism.

Jay (01:18:53):
You know what I mean? No, it does it.

Uncle Damo (01:18:55):
So, um, question for you. Did you have a good time

Terrance Roberts (01:19:00):
Running from air?

Uncle Damo (01:19:01):
No. Like today? Oh yeah.

Terrance Roberts (01:19:03):
No, this is cool, man. I, yeah. Like I said to Jay earlier, man, if I'm gonna be doing New York Times and other podcasts Yeah. For people who aren't from Denver and

Uncle Damo (01:19:11):
We really appreciate

Terrance Roberts (01:19:12):
That. Yeah. No man, it's all good. Like y'all from the town and I'm down to have the conversation. Yeah. I didn't do nothing wrong. <laugh>. So,

Jay (01:19:19):
And you didn't, yeah,

Terrance Roberts (01:19:20):
No,

Uncle Damo (01:19:20):
No. Yeah. That's your story. And then so with that, the plus one to that is, uh, if you, if you had the opportunity to, uh, recommend somebody to be on the show, who would it be?

Terrance Roberts (01:19:31):
Huh? Let me think. I don't know man. Y'all should probably get some sisters and some of the women in here who did some of that organizing in 2020. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Okay. Because that was mainly a women-led movement. People like Crystal Bell, we, we got Asian women, we got some sisters. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, Tammy, Kathy, um, cuz really, I got arrested. You know, I'm, I'm Terence Roberts, so I'm the male <laugh>, I'm, I'm, I'm,

Uncle Damo (01:19:54):
I'm,

Jay (01:19:56):
They're

Terrance Roberts (01:19:57):
Showing me on the camera. Cause I'm, I'm used to the bullhorn. Right. But meaning all the t-shirts that was made and all that behind the stuff, even ordering the bullhorn on Amazon. I didn't order the bull one on

Uncle Damo (01:20:07):
Amazon <laugh>. Hey. But

Jay (01:20:09):
Like glazed

Terrance Roberts (01:20:09):
It. But no, don't man, that, that will be a very interesting perspective. Um, some of these people running for office, she'll get candy in here. Get Daryl in here, man. Get she'll get 'em all in here. You

Uncle Damo (01:20:19):
Know? Yeah. And, um, tag them like when we put this out, tag them and let 'em know like, Hey, this is the platform you should be on.

Terrance Roberts (01:20:27):
Yeah. Nah man, y'all, there's so many never got the stories. The talent is here. The rap music's here. The, the podcast talent is here. It's just appreciate that man. It's just centered in, uh, and mainly on the West coast. Even if you from Atlanta Ed, I mean, just interviewed me for Vlad. Yep. He lives in LA bruh. Right. He don't live in New York. He from Jersey. All them dudes live in la All of them e everything. The Media Central

Uncle Damo (01:20:56):
Is LA

Terrance Roberts (01:20:56):
It is Los Angeles. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And that was like I said to y'all earlier, one thing I was trying to do was say, man, we need to kind of steal some of what makes all these cities great. This is bringing Denver. Yeah. You know, and that's why cause I think Mike's ready for that. I think Mike, you know, I think Mike is is because he was in the Holly because even we had our differences to it towards the end. All of those things. Which what brought us back together for I I know that he's ready to listen to. We don't just, if we wanna lower youth violence in Denver, it's not just big o Gs yelling, talking about I used to

Uncle Damo (01:21:29):
Be a crier. Yeah,

Terrance Roberts (01:21:30):
Yeah, yeah. And no one's responding well to that. Yeah, absolutely. You know what's going put, make a Crip, put a Glock down, giving them a Sony ass seven Mm. Yep. You know what's gonna make a young blood put that Glock down on that knife, giving them a cannon and showing, giving them an apple and showing how to edit.

Jay (01:21:45):
That's dope.

Terrance Roberts (01:21:46):
That I guarantee you they would trade them Glocks in for that. I guarantee you we could get some Crips and Bloods together

Jay (01:21:52):
And now you really could

Terrance Roberts (01:21:53):
Be like, yo bro, that's your camera. Yeah.

Jay (01:21:55):
You know, we could do some things that

Terrance Roberts (01:21:56):
Lincoln can, lemme show you what it

Uncle Damo (01:21:58):
Does. Absolutely. It's less than a thousand bucks,

Terrance Roberts (01:22:00):
Man. You can do that. Yeah. And lemme show you how to edit.

Jay (01:22:03):
Bungee Studios will help you

Terrance Roberts (01:22:04):
Out. Yeah. Nah man. So that and, and so that's what's gonna lower, that's how we lower youth violence in Denver for six years. We did it with the Holly. I was calling Crips, I was calling Bus cause I had three kids from my afterschool program. We started, I did a mission trip to Porter Prince Haiti. We came back, we started rocking the Camouflage cuz they had to black and the brown right in it with the green for the Earth and all of that. And then so the kids were wearing it with me and then the parents who were Bloods and Crip aren't wearing it. So then it became a movement. We didn't, we didn't have to push a movement. We didn't have to force it on nobody. We didn't have to deebo. Nobody. We didn't. We just wore man and was like, yo, if you want to come to the thing,

Jay (01:22:42):
Yeah

Terrance Roberts (01:22:42):
Just come brother. Like

Jay (01:22:44):
I was wearing it. We trust you. I look corny in it though. <laugh>.

Uncle Damo (01:22:47):
Yeah. So what we would ask is throw your dimes with the relationships that you have in LA so we could tell our story and bring Denver to life man. We appreciate you brother.

Terrance Roberts (01:22:58):
Yeah, no that's the synergy now man. This, so that's kind of my next move is I'm about to start getting involved with visual productions. It's kind of, I I never thought about being like a film producer or nothing like that. But the Holly is kind of,

Jay (01:23:10):
That's what I was gonna ask you with the industry, the Holly, the Holly dot gotta bring bringing some money in. Right? It

Terrance Roberts (01:23:15):
Well so it actually got, so it, even though it looks great. Yeah. But it's still a documentary. Documentaries don't make

Jay (01:23:21):
That much money.

Terrance Roberts (01:23:22):
They don't make, unless you like Michael Moore.

Jay (01:23:25):
Okay, that's what I was gonna ask.

Terrance Roberts (01:23:26):
Yeah. They don't make, he may be one of the only Alex Gibney, there's only a few documentary documentary filmmakers that

Jay (01:23:33):
Re reached like seven figures as far

Terrance Roberts (01:23:36):
As, because documentaries cost so much to make but they really don't get purchased it. The Holly actually, I'm gonna just say this publicly, it lost money. So everybody thinks oh so much money, all that. If I do a speaking engagement afterwards, that's kind of more even with rappers and stuff, to be honest with you, most of their money, it's not made off of their music. Once it's streaming, it's, no one needs to buy to Holly. It's,

Jay (01:23:59):
Nah, I'm with you.

Terrance Roberts (01:23:59):
It's not DVDs. Now if we were selling DVDs Yeah. It's a hard copy. Yes. Now once it's streaming. So the distributor buys it.

Jay (01:24:06):
So like you gotta go for artists, they gotta go out there and tour for you. You gotta go to see And

Terrance Roberts (01:24:11):
When they be having that stack of money,

Jay (01:24:12):
Yeah,

Terrance Roberts (01:24:13):
No one's buying music. When's the last time you bought a cd? So let's figure out how we can get you on tour

Jay (01:24:19):
Brother.

Terrance Roberts (01:24:19):
That's what we're gonna do. Yeah. So that's what, that's what I'm doing now. I've been doing speaking engagements, some for free, some some for paid. You know what I'm saying? It depends. Um, you know, we, man, we moving past the Holly though, to be honest with y'all man, we, that's whats up some other productions and you know, it's, it is about to be some stuff coming from the last election. Um

Jay (01:24:40):
Yeah, I know you've been filming. Yeah.

Terrance Roberts (01:24:41):
Somebody pitched me a theme to help produce a, a horror film. <laugh>.

Jay (01:24:48):
Okay,

Terrance Roberts (01:24:48):
Well let's go,

Jay (01:24:50):
Let's do it. I'm like, so

Terrance Roberts (01:24:51):
Shoot. You know, cuz they about to do it in Denver. So, uh, and you know, anybody could be a producer. You just gotta get put in the game. Yeah.

Jay (01:24:58):
Producer. That's the hard part.

Terrance Roberts (01:24:59):
Producing is like, yo John. Yeah. Y'all let us, let us

Jay (01:25:01):
Set up some cameras. Yeah. Let us come,

Terrance Roberts (01:25:03):
We let us come film over

Jay (01:25:04):
There. Nah, absolutely. Hey,

Terrance Roberts (01:25:05):
Who's the big blood? Who's Big Blood? Hey Big Blood.

Jay (01:25:08):
Can we who show Big? Yeah. Can we come over here?

Terrance Roberts (01:25:10):
You know what I mean? Without getting the camera smashed out. It ain't me.

Jay (01:25:13):
Yeah. Who's up? It's not me. They would think you were Big Blood. Yeah. I ain't Biggest Blood. No, that's, that's

Terrance Roberts (01:25:19):
All production is man. Enormous blood finding money. Enormous blood.

Jay (01:25:22):
<laugh>. My bad, my bad.

Terrance Roberts (01:25:23):
But no, it's all good. But that's what it is. Finding if you could find a donor. Cause those movies do cost man. They cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Jay (01:25:30):
No, absolutely.

Terrance Roberts (01:25:31):
You know what I mean?

Jay (01:25:32):
Well thanks Terrence for coming through man. It's been a pleasure. Let me give you a round of applause man. I know you're trying to get to that game.

Terrance Roberts (01:25:37):
We right now by seven two now.

Jay (01:25:41):
Thank you. And you never stumble upon the unexpected if you stick to the familiar. So go out there and work together. Be a part of the community and we out. Yeah, right.

Terrance Roberts (01:25:51):
Peace.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
This podcast busing, busing.