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#116 - "That Black Tech" (ft. Kham Ward)
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In this weeks episode the Jay and crew sits down with Kham Ward CEO and Co-founder of BLK Men in Tech.
We kick off the conversation by discussing the impressive growth of BLK Men in Tech, an organization that champions diversity by creating spaces for black men to interact and build strong communities. Shifting gears, we get into a candid conversation about the pressures of diversity in corporate settings, the impact of nepotism in professional sports, and how power structures within organizations can influence team diversity.
As we round off our chat, we dive into a spirited debate about our favorite NBA teams, and the importance of self-taught individuals in hiring decisions. We continue to shed light on the organizations Thrive and Black Women Tech, their future events, and the paramount importance of mentorship. The episode concludes with a deeper look into the importance of grit and perseverance in achieving success, and the need for equitable opportunities in access to education and job markets. Join us for an episode filled with lively conversation, thoughtful insights, and a good dose of laughter.
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Speaker 2Welcome to this dot podcast. I'm your friendly host, Jay. Join by my friends. We got Co. Man, what are we talking about? And we got Big Flight, big man, big Red.
Speaker 3Big Spill.
Speaker 4Big Kool-Aid, he's here today, huh yeah, big Spill, big Spillage.
Speaker 5You know, when he was sitting in that chair over there by himself in the corner, he thought of that. What?
Speaker 2Oh, Big Kool-Aid. Yeah man, you looking rigged, you looking good.
Speaker 4Big drainage. Man, what are we talking about? Big drainage?
Speaker 5Big spillage. That's funny man.
Speaker 2Yeah, welcome to this dot podcast. This is episode 117, and we're at the beautiful Lawrence and Larimer. You could catch them at 3225 East Covax Avenue, or you could come, yeah, or you could check them online. Laurencelarimercom to get your hottest summer gear.
Speaker 5Black on the wrist.
Speaker 2Your drip gear. I took it back to the 90s. There we go, you know. Hey y'all, how's your week been? You were in Atlanta, I was. How was that?
Speaker 5Yeah, man went to a Braves game, that was cool. Got to see my daughter, that was cool.
Speaker 2Did you stop by any excitement? You talking about wing places? If that's excitement for you, I was thinking about something else, but if food is where you went, to you know I'll spend my money that way, what wing place you check out?
Speaker 5Man, it was called Crazy Ass Wings.
Speaker 2You had a good. Tell us about the, Listen y'all Okay.
Speaker 5I had, hey y'all, I had lemon pepper, Go ahead.
Speaker 2Can you get them some seeds please? I got some lovely ladies. Let's talk about the guests real quick, though, because we have an audience that came. We got some old friends and also the lovely wife of our guest, eric Award. We got Janelle Hayes to me, you, janelle Hayes to me, all right. And then Bobby Alexander is in the building round of applause Good to see you.
Speaker 4Look, y'all got your sunglasses on and looking nice. It's Bobby's second time man.
Speaker 2It is Bobby's second time I see shorts.
Speaker 5I don't see sun dresses. Well, sun dress, yeah, got them cut.
Speaker 3Yeah, daisy Dukes, them colors.
Speaker 2Yeah, all right Wings.
Speaker 5Crazy Ass Wings is what it's called.
Speaker 2Okay.
Speaker 5Lemon pepper sauce with honey, hot Mmm. Hey, jesus, take me home. My life is fulfilled.
Speaker 2Was this so good like you started sweating.
Speaker 5I didn't sweat because it wasn't hot.
Speaker 2Oh, okay, ac inside.
Speaker 5But you know when you like pause and you smile when you eat.
Speaker 4That boy was in bliss Boy. He was at better than sex wings Nice.
Speaker 5Much better.
Speaker 4That boy was in heaven, heaven.
Speaker 5And the things are still nice and hot.
Speaker 2Like woo Nice.
Speaker 5Like big, like big wings. Yes, here he goes.
Speaker 2Watch Big wings you had to beat him to it right, you had to beat him to it.
Speaker 5That's funny. No, it was bomb though, all right.
Speaker 2What about you, cole? How was your week?
Speaker 4man, oh man it was cool, man, it was cool. Yeah, it wasn't much. It wasn't much. Going on Just work and football.
Speaker 2Nice peanut butter, yeah, football. What do you mean? Just getting ready 7-on-7s.
Speaker 4No, you know, Park Hill, pirate stuff, y'all starting up, you ready? Yeah, what's the team.
Speaker 2You going to bring it back home this year or what man, shit man.
Speaker 4Our 10-U won it last year. 11-u, the 10-U is not 11-U. I'm pretty sure they're probably going to win it again. Our flag level is strong. I think our 8-U is going to be pretty good. Our 10-U is going to be good as well. So I think, overall, I think we're going to be pretty solid. We're shaky numbers-wise at the 13-U because for some reason in the hood or at least here in Colorado, I know, in Florida, man, it's not an issue At the 13-U level we struggle with getting kids to play football In a gentrified neighborhood. Yeah, in a gentrified neighborhood, it's not the same.
Speaker 5Got it. What age are you coaching?
Speaker 4I'm not coaching anything, I'm just doing the work you shouldn't, because y'all lost last year anyway.
Speaker 5I didn't coach. I didn't coach You're talking about. You look like it on all your Instagram.
Speaker 2Hey have you ever won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4Wait, wait, wait. You know what I did.
Speaker 2Well, I do work for the Pirates, See here it goes.
Speaker 4I do work for the Pirates.
Speaker 2You ever won the Super Bowl as a coach?
Speaker 4As a coach. No, no, I didn't coach, since we were born lost.
Speaker 2Sorry. You had a nice team though, right.
Speaker 4What you win. Damon the Wings, God damn I'm on a win contest. God damn, god damn, nathan's Glyzzy, nathan's Glyzzy. I didn't want to Super Bowl Glyzzy, yeah, glyzzy balls. Nathan's, yeah, nathan's Glyzzy ball. Anyway.
Speaker 2I heard y'all, my week was good, but it ain't about me. And we got this wonderful guest that is joining us from Fort Lauderdale, florida, florida is in the building. Talk to him. Huh, florida Two Ways is in the building. We got Fort Lauderdale and Orlando in the house. Shots for the yeah. Yeah, I used to be in Florida for a couple of years.
Speaker 5I don't know that you should use shots for Florida. That's probably it. It's a little bit too close to home.
Speaker 2A lot of shots in Florida.
Speaker 4Yep, some school shoots out there, you're some school students out there, man.
Speaker 3Paul.
Speaker 2That's a shout, paul. Yeah, let's do that again. This boy's been a got a shadow band.
Speaker 4I don't think so, but hey anyway, this world's pretty sensitive man.
Speaker 2No, well then that'll be good for us, because then we could get our views up To get viral. Right, get viral. Anyway, we got a diversity and inclusion executive with 12 years of experience leading diversity, recruiting, engagement and social impact strategy, and he's CEO of Black Men in Tech. Give it up for Kim Ward, yes, round of applause.
Speaker 6Hey thank you all for the new part man.
Speaker 2I remember you saying that.
Speaker 5And we get that through the slow clap yeah. You need a new joke, man no but anybody I invite gets a slow clap. Why? Just because they're lukewarm.
Speaker 4He's such a hater that corny joke he's corny he just won't let nobody live man.
Speaker 2Well, welcome to the show, Cam man. I know you're coming from Florida, you know, and we're glad to have you. We've been. I think you were supposed to be on maybe a while ago, but you're super busy man and we're glad we could get you out this time.
Speaker 6So yeah, I appreciate it man. Yeah, this is cool, Like it's good Coming in. Even appreciate what we just hanging out. Man, this is cool, so I really appreciate it, Nice man.
Speaker 2You could tell he's from Florida because see it's not. It might be cool to you right now because he got the hoodie on like it's cold outside man, we all feel yeah, it's hot to us, but he's like nah, I'm used to that Florida weather.
Speaker 6And it's 100 degree weather. Man, that's lovely.
Speaker 2It's lovely.
Speaker 6Everybody brought a jacket, just in case.
Speaker 4Man, your thighs is dry right now. You're just dry heat yeah.
Speaker 5Look at that Sun's out knees out.
Speaker 4Them thighs. Yeah, you know you getting. Well, you go down south. You got to really get in between them.
Speaker 6Yeah, you got to get in between them thighs when you take the shower.
Speaker 5Yeah, you got to get in between them, whatever they know man, yeah, hey, because he wears tidy whitey.
Speaker 2So real quick, since we talking about.
Speaker 4They be white too, boy, and they stay that way. Last. Caroline Talk to us, talk to us. They stay that way. Shit, they don't fucking be pristine. I take them, I take them all they be pristine boy.
Speaker 2No streaks, right?
Speaker 4No streaks, maybe just like you got them out the package.
Speaker 3Just like you got them out, the package man.
Speaker 2If I Caroline, can you?
Speaker 5go get the tie pin.
Speaker 2Can you go get the?
Speaker 5tie pins. Can you go get some oxy clean?
Speaker 3He's like all right, I'm sorry, cam.
Speaker 2Back to you, man. But yeah, I'm excited about this because I'm in the tech industry. Ok, also, damon is too. I don't know how techy he is, but like I'm for real tech because I'm like a software engineer, oh, so you're going to pull that card early.
Speaker 5Yeah, I'm going to pull that early, man, because no, he's a senior manager at Salesforce, like somebody who needs to come speak at your conference.
Speaker 6Yeah, that's what I'm saying, so you're going to pull that card early though.
Speaker 2Yeah, I'm going to say that, but yeah, I'm doing a little bit. Thanks for putting me on the spot, but tell us a little bit about why black tech, black men in tech and why you decided to start that 100 percent.
Black Men in Tech and Outreach
Speaker 6So in November of 2020, right Post, george Floyd a lot of people were asking a lot of diversity officers to stand in spaces and have these conversations. The thing was that we wasn't protected. I couldn't go to another black man and say man, now this day has been telling, this day has been rough, right. So I decided that, out of my own selfish needs, decided to start this organization, and it's basically an organization where we make a space for black men to have conversation, we give them a point to have this camaraderie amongst each other, and it's a space where we're just trying to grow the community, not taking away from anybody else's space, but growing our space. We started two years ago with eight people.
Speaker 3Got it, that's over 12,000 people.
Speaker 2Both men and women.
Speaker 6But it came out of pure need. Honestly, I was looking for a space after I clocked out or closed my computer where I could talk to brothers like y'all about what I'm going through, and not even just job, good, bad, different family, anything we got going on and the organics that I wanted about our organization. So that's why we started, man. It was a space where we just wanted to do good work. It was no plan and we could talk about the bumps in the road and along the way, but it was all about giving back and then making sure that we have a space for us.
Speaker 2I like how you put that, because I did have a question for you when it came to why you created it, and I was listening to the Work Human podcast I think you were on there maybe roughly a year ago or something like that and I like what you said about for your community and why you wanted to start this or what the ambition was. Is that for us, we tend to focus on two areas right, sports, entertainment and you said you would like to make a third option, which is tech, and to bring that into the community. I think a part of that is because of being your authentic self, so when we're in those spaces, we can be black. When you talk about tech and corporate, it seems like we have to curb our blackness.
Speaker 2The version of yourself to bring it to work, Exactly to make it work. Tell us why that's so important.
Speaker 6It's a learning skill, right? So as a diversity officer, you deal with all the things of the company, and sometimes corporate executive leaders. You become part of them, so they say the stuff to you that they wouldn't say to you. Oh, it's just, you're part of us, right? It's important because you want to be able to show up as your authentic self, like accessibility and inclusion to two things that we pride ourselves on access and education as well. It's nothing like you walking into a space. They want to walk into a space. You walk into a space and you can be who you are, what you are, and then later they learn what you do, right. And that's important to me because access is one of the first things. I read a book called Making White People Uncomfortable, and in the fourth, bre said if Aquaman was in the hood, a lot of more people would know how to swim, because they have some visibility to an individual. We have no superhero that look like us.
Speaker 6I want to take us in a tech space. Black man, we have our fun, we do a hangout and chop it up, but then we can go out into the community and say you know what? You boy, you girl? Tech is an option for you and everybody in technical like you. Now Some people work like myself, absolutely. They're more in a space where we just do the work as well. But it can change your generation.
Speaker 6And that's the most important piece is that we want to bring out in Black men in tech and I named it that intentional because I wanted everybody to know Black men running this organization.
Speaker 4Yeah, remember. So what are you guys doing? Man for outreach, what does that look like? You know what I mean In terms of trying to get like you talked about. So James Jay talked about.
Speaker 2It's James, jay, it's one of the hardest things when she nails hairs, James.
Speaker 4Yeah, james, all day. You know what. You know what the hardest thing about doing a pod man is. You know when you with your guys you grew up with Right.
Speaker 2Yeah, can I tell a story real quick, go ahead. So when I told people at my job that you call me killer, right, so anyway, I'll tell them this story. And then white dude, he tries to throw that out there. Killer, yeah.
Speaker 5Oh, so we're in the meeting, right Head killer.
Speaker 2He was like hey, killer or a killer, I can't remember, I was just. I was like nah, man, you're good, Just chill. Sorry, I asked you a question.
Speaker 4Stop no, no oh man.
Speaker 4But so we talked about, you know, sports entertainment, right, and it's funny because I saw a pod where a guy was talking about how it's crazy how African-American people are taught through and heavily influenced by music. So you put anything in the song and we going to connect to it. You know, like back in the day, you know, a lot of the rap was conscious, right, and then now we're in the space where we're like Pound Town. I knew it was going to say that, yeah. So that being said, man, what are the outreach efforts, man, for young African-American people out there from the tech industry?
Community Outreach and Philanthropy
Speaker 6Yeah, so Black Men in the Tech and the Whole. We have three pillars. We focus on care. That's our outreach pillar. We give back to schools, we feed students, we go out and do these things called real men can read. It's about being in the community and in the school we always adopt a couple of third grades, because third grade is that first time that students go from learning to read to reading, to learning Right. So we want to capture them at that space and then we give our scholarship to students Like we try to be on every scene where we can give back. Because if it wasn't for my Kappa League advisor, I wouldn't probably be sitting here tonight today. And the way he crafted my path is because I saw him as a person Right and I wanted to be like him Again. Access and education Right.
Speaker 6I played sports all my life. I was going to college to play sport and I was going to UF. So imagine taking me from South Florida to UF. If I didn't have someone to help me navigate, I couldn't be where I am today. So I'm big on philanthropic efforts. I'm big on showing up in the community. I'm big on taking care of community. I'm a firm believing in to who much is given, how much is required. So much been given to me, so many things been implanted in me at my outreach. I'll say yes more than I'll say no, and sometimes my team killed me because of it.
Speaker 5Yeah, I got one for you. Did you see, like when you talk about much is given and much is required and then being blessed, right, did you all see? Did you specifically see Magic Johnson in the interview with your dude from the Today Show?
Speaker 2I didn't.
Speaker 5So his financial group was a part of the Washington Commander's Purchase. This dude was literally in tears like talking about, like hey, I've been blessed, and like I just want to show, like you know from my family, and he talked about the philanthropic efforts and all that and it was powerful to see.
Speaker 6Cause. Think about this now. Think about this real quickly. We say athletes, we say entertainment, we didn't really talk about it, but the drug dealer.
Speaker 2The drug? Yes, right, so think about those three.
Speaker 6Those three cats always come back to the community and give back right. So if the ballers come back and do football camps, you know actors sometime come back and help out the drug dealers. Give you a dollar or two to go to the ice cream store. Thanksgiving Turkey or something you want to be like them, like I remember in Little League. You know I was an athlete in Little League so I was a baller right, and I remember air quotes yeah.
Speaker 6And you remember and I remember cats used to come up to us and be like yo, if you score this next touchdown, I got $20 for you. Yeah, you know you score that next touchdown y'all. On our street. It was all the boys, y'all. I'm gonna buy y'all the four wheeler to be able. And you saw him. He had all the gold you like. Who is that Right? Why can't we do that in time?
Speaker 4Man is it. It might be access.
Speaker 5It's it's, it's, that's what you just said. Yeah, yeah, that's what.
Speaker 4I'm saying I'm saying cause computers cost Right.
Speaker 3And, and and the kids. That's as far as what he's doing, yeah.
Speaker 4And the kids, and the kids would rather have to. Playstation five Come on. A Mac computer Come on.
Speaker 5Sauce one thing Talk to him. Yeah, so one thing that that he, that Cam and Tamonte Tamonte he has like an entertainment side and gaming side to his, to his conference, that he puts together and it's like okay, you really like this game, I'm going to give you access on how this game is put together, Right, and so he's teaching kids how to code.
Speaker 2Right, that's dope.
Speaker 5You know what I'm saying? The stuff that goes into the game to make whatever game that you're playing.
Speaker 6Right, really strong. And then also you monetize game. I met a. I met a mom at one of our events that said my five year old is bringing in not my fifth graders, I'm sorry is bringing in checks for $2,000 from gaming.
Speaker 6So so when we teach them things like that again access and education when we teach our students that at a very young age, then they can say you know what? I can be the software engineer. You know I can work in diversity, I can do the things that we do, but we have to be, we have to show up in the community to make that happen.
Speaker 2You're right, man Cause for me math major right, so I didn't really have access to the coding part until I got to high school there we go Right.
Speaker 2So when I thought about cause, my dad would always say, hey, instead of playing video games, why don't you learn how to make them? Right? And it was like cool. But there's an element of there which you're plugging that gap where you have a center somewhere to go to, even go play in that area, Right, so I'm good at math, but I don't know how to apply it cause I'm not in those spaces and things like that. So that's dope that you're trying to provide those opportunities for those kinds of kids.
Speaker 6And then it's cool because it's not only the kids, those little adults as well. So I thrive conferences for the adults piece, cause we need each other as well, like I send a demo of a guy in a text message hey man, check this cat out, he might be good for his job. Boom, they on call, they talking to each other. Right, it's the power of networking that's really important in this space, something that we don't do very often. Right? Women, black women do it often. They get together, they have a good time. Black men really don't.
Speaker 5We don't just do it different.
Speaker 6Right, right. It's not for the purpose of like socializing, it's.
Speaker 5Hennessy and hot wings.
Speaker 4That's how you do it Football.
Speaker 6Football games right, no, no you write that one.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's alright.
Speaker 6This is our opportunity to do that as well. You know, do both. It don't have to be either, or it's yes or no.
Speaker 2Got it. Well, let's dive into that a little bit, and I would love to hear your aspect too, cause y'all basically do the same thing. Sure, when it comes to D, e and I.
Speaker 6Yeah, I gotta say that.
Speaker 2Cause I always say D and I, but it's like now there's an E in there. You talk about the pipeline, yeah, of feeding said company or those opportunities, networking, so you can get black people in the door. Black men, black women tell us understand why it's so important. But when you look at things, maybe you I could throw affirmative action in there. You know, like it kind of I don't think it's affirmative action, but it just people tow that line right.
Speaker 2They think that's what it is can you tell us just how that separate similarities, or what are your thoughts when people throw that out there?
Speaker 6man. Let me just be clear and say this piece immediately that affirmative action helped more white people than black people talk to what?
Speaker 3white white women.
Speaker 6I am one of the people that's why, yeah, so so when you talk about a demo, definitely get into this. When you talk about pipeline and for diversity, automatically people go where we got a Lord of all. I tell them you never. Lord of all, we are excellent, we dominate everything. You think. If we learn how to play lacrosse at a young age, we want dominate that sport. What about yachting, you know? What about selling that sort of thing? Black people dominate everything, they do so pickleball that's next, but we dominate everything.
Speaker 6We just need access and opportunity to get there and our access and opportunity are is honestly forced in society and systemic oppression, like we haven't had the chance right. But when we show, we show up approved. So that's why a demo role is so important, because he provided the gate, he let the floodgates open, letting people know these are chances for you. So when you talk about that's all he do all day man, it's a, it's a, it's a this job is for you.
Speaker 3I would have known what he do.
Speaker 4Wait, hold on.
Speaker 2I'm so glad you're here breaking down man, I wouldn't know what he do all day because he like Tommy, he just a. I'll help.
Speaker 6Like you, I tell people color out my lunches I buy lunches and breakfasts yeah, kind of describe what this man does and what you do so so demo role, honestly, is probably one of the most important roles that is at his company because he's allowed to get a set budget to go out and and help on nonprofits and help groups and build partnerships and pipelines. So so honestly and this just true story, and I always give him his flaws when you talk about it like he believed in black men and tech and I'll thrive conference in this first year when there was a vision and energy. That's all I had. I had nothing else.
Speaker 1I had nothing else, but he came in he saw it.
Speaker 6He said you know what? I'm a partner with you because I see what you trying to go right and you need more black people, especially in the corporate tech space, that believe in that way. You know they may be at every conference. You know he texts him and he'll put through a job break, that sort of thing. You need that type of brother at the door telling you how to get in these companies. So I mean probably about box box lunches, box lunches too, but it's all about and that's important and that's what we need. But we need real people in those roles. You know people like him that's gonna go in and say, yo, you need to look at this candidate for real and no he's not a he's not a affirmative action candidate.
Speaker 2This candidate is top quality yeah, it's not somebody that just checks a box.
Speaker 6Right, right, I got you so yeah, so, yeah, so you could have said what you know.
Speaker 2Thank you sir yeah you don't want to add nothing to that well, no, like.
Speaker 5I think there's many dynamics, but it's not like today's, not about me and, in the bottom line, is like what? What we do is like open up the floodgates for the pipeline but how does the decision on affirmative action affect your it?
Speaker 5doesn't. It doesn't affect my role any, but long term it may. Okay, let's talk about that. So we're talking about Harvard University and we're talking about University of North Carolina, right, yeah, got it so long term if that goes up. So I won't get into the history of it. So, long term, what happens is a flywheel effect and it says, let's say, university of Virginia once, let's say, you know, said other Ivy League wants to do it. Then it starts to create a ripple effect, right, right. And then what happens is somebody raises some noise and says, hey, I can't get into corporate America because of quote unquote affirmative action, even though but I don't even, I couldn't even tell you the last time I heard the word affirmative action that's what I mean.
Speaker 2Yes, that's my job that's so it's not about that.
Speaker 5It like people like oh, you have goals and you have targets, um, no, like we measure what we do. Yeah, like that's, that's, that's all we do. But it isn't like hey, um, this software engineering role needs to be filled by a black woman, absolutely not. Like that's a class, that that's a lawsuit in the making. You can't do that right. But what you can do is say, hey, I went to thrive conference. I have 25 high level software engineers that just happened to be black women.
Speaker 5Yep, we have 10 wrecks open. Yep, absolutely, let's get them interviewed so like that's the lens you have to look at it through. So, like, when you think about, like what y'all were talking about with affirmative action, there's some things that could trickle in the corporate America and I could see it happening three, five, seven, ten years from now. But, like, if we're intentional and we're progressive about the way that we do things and the actions that we take to be successful, we're gonna be alright this is demos like overly optimistic point of view.
Speaker 5You know, like I am, I'm an eternal optimism, right? Right um, but we we've all been blessed in certain ways and doing the right things on a daily basis right you guys ever feel do you guys ever feel handcuffed at any point? No like handcuffed. For what?
The Challenges of Diversity and Inclusion
Speaker 4no, say more. See a lot like this.
Speaker 6A miss little too dark in here yeah, I've been said, I've been told that before.
Speaker 4Yeah, yeah yeah, see, see, they won't go say that.
Speaker 2Yeah, thank you, it's too dark in here, really absolutely my who like. Where, where does that pressure come from?
Speaker 6oh, my executive staff, but I've been told that before, literally been told that a a cam. I need some more diversity on your team and I was like, oh cuz, you think my team is all black, but you don't know. This person is Jewish, this person is part of LGBT community, this person and I walk it down right right literally like a cam. I need you. I need your next hire to be I'm like no that's interesting that's interesting.
Speaker 5Let's think about the other way around. Let's think about when said company hires. Let's say a company goes through a major riff or something like that. Yeah, that's in a force, and then they are stacking to build their leadership team. Yeah, are they asking any questions about how the leadership team is built? It could be all white males and they nobody saying nothing. It could be all white females. Ain't nobody saying nothing? No, because females are diversity yeah, no, yeah in tech. Yeah in tech too, but not like, but I mean it's always.
Speaker 2The majority is usually all white males, so that's why nothing's really said. Yeah, in most companies like if you go across the board.
Speaker 5That that's cool and you know what. So I'll even take it even further. Even in professional sports, I've heard that nepotism is frowned upon with black coaches. I like somebody that I know is highly qualified to be in this position, and I'm not talking about anybody that we know. Yeah, I know somebody that's how highly qualified to be in this position and I cannot hire them right away because of the handcuff.
Speaker 4Okay, but you're too dark in here, wow, okay, but yes, but the vibe was, you wouldn't really vibing with that. That's that's kind of I came off at first no, I don't vibe with that light.
Speaker 5If that, that, if that so so. So you have it blacked out, like that thing out there. Let it be blacked out, okay. So let me be clear.
Speaker 4No, so let me be clear the question why not like?
Speaker 2but they won't. They won't, that's an instrument. No, I'm with the question.
Speaker 4Interesting, the question is have you ever got to a point to where you felt handcuffed, to where they say like, look, hold up man, hold on, hold on man. This is. This is getting a little too ethnic up in here. I have gone to bring it back.
Speaker 5Right, I haven't experienced that.
Speaker 2You haven't personally.
Speaker 5But like, even if it's ethnic, it doesn't mean it's homogenous. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2So like yeah just like can't explain yeah we're not a monolith dude.
Speaker 4Yeah, no, no no, but I'm not speaking, just I'm no. So when I say I'm not speaking, dress black people. Then what are you saying? It's a little too clear. It's too many hues up in here.
Speaker 4Yeah, and the hues are still got you diverse, yeah, and so that's so. That's what I'm saying. They most so the power structure is what at pretty much every corporate company? Okay. So when, when they started saying, hey, you're starting to have started to have too many lgbtq plus people in here, they started to have too many black people in here, you start to have a little too many indian and people in here, how to me, ispanic people like let's, let's kind of bring this back to baseline.
Speaker 2That's a lawsuit, but no, but, but, but it's Never heard.
Speaker 4It can't. No, no, out loud. It's a lawsuit. But but like we talked about, we talked about nepotism. We talked about, like, for example, the NFL owners saying hey, wink, nod, nod, wink, wink. You know I mean let's not Fuck with Kaepernick. Yeah, you know, I mean like being the fact that you guys are in D, de, ai, de AI.
Speaker 2DE and yeah, yeah, diversity equity and inclusion.
Speaker 4Okay, there it is, um yeah we're dea.
Speaker 5Yeah, that's the airport. Yeah, accessibility Okay, okay.
Speaker 4Since you guys are in the in the uh, in the uh realm of accessibility. You know what I mean. Like Do you guys ever feel the push not to be radical and the push not to have it as equitable as it should be?
Speaker 2on the work? I don't. So, speaking from my team, I don't, because I got. So my team consists of uh for women, four guys, black, two I'm the leader, so two black people on the team, brown, asian, uh, then Rest are white. Okay, so I mean, I mean Just speaking from the company. I work for it. This is to your point. The first time, though, that I've been at a company that kind of uh encourages or, you know, looks for quality engineers in the diversity. Right, they're not concerned about color or whatever it's like. They throw whatever at you, but they do recognize like, hey, it's a lot of uh, white males, yeah, and white people, yeah, in general. So I hear you like this is the first time and I've been in the industry for 20 years that I've been at A point where I was like, all right, you know what. It's all right, like I could, I could deal with this, you know.
Speaker 4I mean I just position is young.
Speaker 5No, it's not what do you mean what do?
Speaker 4you mean Young ish. Okay, so it's like we're not young.
Speaker 5What you said. The position is young, yeah, the position.
Speaker 4The position is to have a specific that have a specific young to you like?
Speaker 5define, that is it 20 years old.
Speaker 4Yes, yes, at what level? Yeah, so yeah, that's great. No, no, no, I didn't know. So I need there, no, no no, so?
Speaker 6so, um, diversity spawned out of this concept in uh you're they talk about like not seeing color, but seeing people, right? So 20 years ago or more, like in the 80s, right, something like that it was like, oh, we don't want to see color, we want to see people. And that was a thing, right? Um, fast forward, moving forward as it progressed, and it's fastly progressing now because of all the things that's happening in the us, in the world, people like yo, it's not about seeing color. I want you to see my color, I want you to see me. Uh, lgbtq, ia, plus, in at every other leather. You see, it changes every day. They take back words, they give for us. They say this is bad, this is not bad. Talking to black people, you say, well, you are you African American? Are you black? Are you Hispanic? Are you latina? Are you latino? You know, you know it's so, it's so progressive. But it is over 20 years old because they started with this rhetoric about Not seeing people by seeing the quality of work. But that shit didn't work too well.
Speaker 4Yeah, but the idea, the idea versus the position.
Speaker 6No, we've been. We've been in position forever. It was just highlighted now because of all the mess that the world is going through, like, like, oh. For instance Of somebody I say hey look, hey look, guys, I gotta I got one and it's like Right but they're trying to promote it more, because it's it's seen in social media. It's seen through social media. You know, we handcuffed to our phone, we do everything internet.
Speaker 6That's what makes it more prevalent, but we've been around for forever you know some of the older people have been in diversity from mid 80s, but it's not, it's not been a publicly social thing, because it was just someone at the job.
Speaker 5So there's a consultant that we work with and I know, I know that she's been in the industry for 35 plus years. Yeah, got it as a as a practitioner.
Speaker 2Because I feel like when I was out, uh, lockheed, it was like ee, o kind of position. Yeah, it was yeah, but it was more like government compliance, especially with Lockheed Right.
Speaker 5I think you have to it's yet and it's so much different. Yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2So anyway, all right. Well, uh, we have this game called this or that, all right, and I think it's a good time to play it because we've been super serious. Yeah, have a little fun. I like this up.
Speaker 5Yeah, absolutely so, uh we gotta pull our black socks up with the white chuck tailors on.
Speaker 2Yeah, and he got them tight.
Speaker 5Hey, pull them up, pull my socks up as high as I can.
Speaker 4Hey them balls, hold them balls against. Squeeze tight Paul.
Speaker 5Hey, them things look like my compression socks yeah.
Speaker 4Them copper fits, them copper fit specials. Hey, look like.
Speaker 2That boy don't want no more kids, right they're none, none.
Speaker 4I didn't want to put a laptop in my balls. Man, get them tight.
Speaker 3I.
Speaker 4Had with that temperature, like like uh, over 130 degrees. Heat them up. Heat them up, man.
Speaker 2All right. So with this or that, you get to choose either. Or all right, no context, like you can't explain, like Because of that, now you just stick with the answer, or you can pass, all right man, no consequence.
Speaker 4That's the important part.
Speaker 3Yeah, you don't have to have you drink.
Speaker 4We're not gonna let you sniff. No hair on or nothing, damn.
Speaker 2That's nuts Like coke. But I'm with you, I got you. I got you the most extreme. All right, here we go. Yes, paul, okay, all right, we're gonna try to get geeky too. Techie All right, iphone or android. Iphone, all right windows or mac os, chrome or firefox. Call threads or twitter Instagram.
Speaker 4But he's what he's diversity, equity inclusion position in tech boy.
Speaker 5They just don't fit.
Speaker 4Hey, hey, man, hey. But jay J Lo J Lo keep you turning his nose up at y'all, because he really want to know what they won't do all day. I'm sitting here cold. He's in up here just talking about a. I think you, I think you're good. Yeah, you're black. Yeah, yeah, I think you're good for the job.
Speaker 2He said he could give me a job. I still ain't got no job. He said this all about network.
Speaker 5Tommy Fumart.
Speaker 4Man, I've seen Killa practicing on his code for hours. Man, he can't give you a job. Come on, man.
Speaker 2Instagram Snapchat.
Speaker 6Instagram.
Speaker 2All right, cheese grits or sugar grits.
Speaker 6Don't know what sugar grits are. Cheese grits all the way.
Speaker 2Miami or Tampa.
Speaker 5Miami.
Speaker 2All right.
Speaker 5Damn. That took a little bit.
Speaker 2I know the answer to this one, fort Lauderdale or West Palm Beach?
Speaker 6Fort Lauderdale All right. On base.
Speaker 2Denzel Curry or Kodak Black Kodak OK. Rick Ross or DJ Khaled.
Speaker 6Ross, you know my Ross.
Speaker 3You going with Ross? Yeah, go ahead, yeah.
Speaker 5Breakfast burrito or empanada Well, I don't know either of them. Things hey.
Speaker 3Wait wait, you don't know. Empanada.
Speaker 6I think it's like the thing where the album my wife is going to kill me man. I can see like I love empanada.
Speaker 2Is empanada Cuban though?
Speaker 5No, oh, beef patties, you're making beef patties.
Speaker 4No, it's, it's it's, it's, it's basically what it is.
Speaker 2Is that Cuban Empanada?
Speaker 6So, cuban, it's good what you, what you putting yours.
Speaker 4Man potatoes, eggs and cheese.
Speaker 6Hey, real quick. I don't know how that work.
Speaker 5No, real quick. Cam doesn't know what a breakfast burrito is.
Speaker 4Man, potatoes, eggs and cheese.
Speaker 2It's mushy, that's a good audience Breakfast burrito. Yes, sir, get down with him.
Speaker 5Do you eat breakfast burritos, yes or no? Well, breakfast tacos.
Speaker 6Would you call? Would you call the burrito bread Burrito bread?
Speaker 4You know you cut your burrito bread, mexican bread. Okay, go ahead Ask the question.
Speaker 5Burrito. Is a tortilla, a form of bread? Yes or no?
Speaker 2No, yes, yeah.
Speaker 6You compared it to like a French toast, though.
Speaker 5No, no, no, no no. We were talking about next door. I had nothing to do with this. Oh, okay, I had nothing to do with this, like that was two separate conversations.
Speaker 3All right.
Speaker 5Cam said he's never heard the concept, concept of a breakfast burrito.
Speaker 4Maybe because he's from the south man, that's maybe a west like a west southwest thing. Breakfast burrito.
Speaker 6Do you?
Speaker 2put serve on it, sir. I don't know, janelle, you live in Florida. Can you get a breakfast burrito or have you had one recent?
Speaker 3Yeah, that's what I'm saying Eat me down with breakfast though I don't.
Speaker 2I do, but you can't go.
Speaker 4But, no, but I can't.
Speaker 2I guess down with breakfast Go part of the floor.
Speaker 6See, that's not really south Florida, yeah, but so you think it's just a south Florida thing.
Speaker 4No, no, no, so, so, so to agree with you. So to agree with you. You can't go to New York and go to a bodega and get a breakfast burrito what I've never been there, I've never gotten that. I've gotten that, I've gotten, I've gotten a roll Like a sweet roll. No, like a breakfast sandwich, you either get a roll or a hero.
Speaker 2Well, yeah, I mean, I could see that in the car.
Mexican Food and Sports Teams
Speaker 4I've never. I've never been a tortilla. I've never been. No, you get a tortilla? Well, like, like Mexican food isn't. Isn't is now starting to pick up, but for all the years I've been in New York City, I never see they don't have a lot of Mexicans. They don't have Mexican restaurants in New York City, that's not a.
Speaker 5Thing.
Speaker 4So so, like, so like to go to somewhere and buy a breakfast burrito. No, no, no no, atlanta you can, atlanta you can, oh, okay.
Speaker 5Hey, so it's moving your way, brother. Oh, hopefully Get ready.
Speaker 4So no, but so here's my, before we end KOD or Tootsies.
Speaker 6Pre-marriage Wait, wait, wait, throw it out there.
Speaker 2That's the safety net. No, I'm not. I'm not mad at that. I have a couple. Hey, listen, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 4So go ahead. So can I get some of that sand right. So KOD right, but also Tootsie got really good food. Like lobster like lobster, crab lobster.
Speaker 6Oh baby, I was going to have lunch. Oh, baby, I was going to have lunch, so I'm going to have lunch, so I'm going to have lunch, so I'm going to have lunch.
Speaker 4So let me tell you about what would happen if you try to use your P card at KOD? Oh, what's your P card? What is that? Oh, okay, okay, Like there's a merchant code that's associated with the P card, so you know you can use it. You can use it, you can use it, you can use it, you can use it, you can use it, you can use it, you can use it.
Speaker 3You can use it.
Speaker 5You can just negotiate it with somebody trying to oh what is that code? Who knows?
Speaker 2what it is Entertainment right.
Speaker 5But you swipe it and that thing declines. It will not go through food or not Its like you're at the wrong location. So no Tootsie's, no Kings diamond no, nah yeah, they serve good food Cool go on your own dawg.
Speaker 6Listen, tootsie got some amazing food bro.
Speaker 2They made you a stack.
Speaker 3A.
Speaker 2Pterchus code. Oh God, yeah.
Speaker 5Yeah, so my, my, this, or that is Miami Heat or Denver Nuggets.
Speaker 6So when I got there, no, I don't know.
Speaker 5I heard your coach talking.
Speaker 6So why is he talking? Why? Why can't the mayor talk?
Speaker 5They did. The mayor used to talk all the time. We just got a new mayor, ok.
Speaker 2So answer the oh you're talking about through the terminal and train. I got you, Got you.
Speaker 6I'm a heat fan through and through man, I go for the 14.
Speaker 2Ok, so, yeah, oh wait, Tampa Bay Bucks or Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 6Definitely the dolphins.
Speaker 2Really.
Speaker 6Really, and they're great man.
Speaker 2Ho, ho, ho, ho ho, they won a Super Bowl twice.
Speaker 6They had a perfect season yet, but Charlie won a Super Bowl 72.
Speaker 2They went and they went before he was.
Speaker 6Yeah, yeah, that's always the card to play like oh, I had a perfect season.
Speaker 2Yeah, brady, almost got it.
Speaker 6But no.
Speaker 3OK, Tampa Bay.
Speaker 2You ain't got no more. I thought you had another one.
Speaker 5Fifty dollar bet or a hundred dollar bet. Honey, it's got it. I got my fifty dollar gift card to me.
Speaker 6So so we make this random bet right in. Atlanta and he was like Denver and five or something like that and I'm like why would you go for Denver, burry black, I forgot to live here.
Speaker 4I seriously forgot he lived here.
Speaker 6You ain't see his haircut.
Speaker 4But those definitely go for the.
Speaker 6I was like why would you even care about the Denver Nuggets?
Speaker 2Forgot to tell by his haircut.
Speaker 5Specifically my hair a lot.
Speaker 2Welcome to the Rockies.
Speaker 3But welcome to the Rockies the.
Speaker 5Rockies In all fairness. Yes, I don't have to give card on the campaid up on a bet. Thank you Respectfully lost.
Speaker 2Yes, Ah, yeah, because he was going for the heat. Airbnb gift card yeah who's the best player to ever come through the heat?
Speaker 6The Brown James or the way away.
Speaker 3Yeah, come on now. Who's the? Best.
Speaker 6Yeah, the Browns. Yeah, this park, that was a long distance.
Speaker 2That was we got into the burrito yeah the burrito really. We're going to have to take you. We might just, tomorrow morning, get you some breakfast, burrito now.
Speaker 5They're going next door tomorrow morning.
Speaker 2They have to, they have to, they got to check. It's like that though huh, that's fine.
Speaker 6Oh, it is the same the person, the biscuit company.
Speaker 2Yeah, absolutely. Before I go, do y'all have a question about anything? All right, this plays in a little bit about the position of the E and I. I'm curious because we talked about the value and why we need it. In a utopia, are you going to put yourself out of a position and out of business, right, like where there is no need for what y'all do? Is that? Is that the goal? I think that's you for it.
Speaker 6Yeah, I think that's the goal, but the problem is humans like it and probably never happen, because there's always going to be a need for us to be in the space telling people why it's important for people like us to be on teams, like they talk about you know AI and all the stuff that's come with AI, like you know whatever, but you need people like you at the table that's saying, hey, this product needs to do this because it don't represent the black culture or don't represent women or don't represent LGBTQA, whatever the diversity is, and that's what we're moving towards more. So, not only pipeline and getting a man, but now we like yo, they need to sit at this table because you don't want to have an incident like Dove, where you, you know you take a shower and everybody turn white. You don't want to have an incident like like like you know or H&M with a monkey shirt or the soap this remember?
Speaker 6soap dispenser didn't see black hands at first because, nobody on the team thought about it, yeah. So I think it's going to be in the medical talk about it. I think it's going to be a shift from not only just saying, hey, we need more people. It's like, hey, this is why they need to sit at the table, so I don't ever think we're going to work or I'll set fire to a job.
Speaker 4Man, but so so is there any? Like you know, I think one of the illest things I've seen was I listened to Joe Rogan interview at Rosnoda and you had a white man who had the whistleblower yes the whistleblower. Whistleblower, you had a white man.
Speaker 2I had to hit you with your own medicine.
Speaker 3Hey.
Speaker 4I ain't blowing the whistle. There's no, there's no blowing the whistle. Too short, that's too, yeah, too short blowing the whistle Not me, oh man.
Speaker 2So now, this is how I go.
Speaker 4Yo. So I'm listening. I'm listening to Edward Snowden, the whistleblower man, and I watched this. I watched his white man raise, like kind of rise up in the governmental system without a degree he just had. I'm not going to say he had a basic train of computers, but he was kind of self taught in terms of how to use computers, how to access tech, and he got in the government and he was able to obtain all of these top secret clearances and get all of these jobs right. Right, do you guys have the power to take a chance on just a raw self taught? Hey, I've just been playing on computers since I was seven years old. You know what I mean. I know how to code. I taught myself how to do this, but I don't have a degree and his talent is proven. All again. Can you guys?
Speaker 5do you guys have the power?
Speaker 4to say like look man, this dude is a savant at can, at computer programming. Maybe he doesn't have the paperwork, but he's. He's gotten under a killer, he's gotten under this guy, he's learned how to code, he's taught himself. Can you guys kind of bring him up and give him an opportunity without the actual paperwork? That's a great question. Yeah, no, that's a great question.
Speaker 6And I think yes, and you have to find the right hiring manager, the team and the company. So if you got my man's over here that's going to coach him up, we can get you in the door. But you got to show up and most of the people like that, that grind, they got that guy, they tip on their shoulder so they ready to go 100%. They just probably need to be polished a little more, you know, to be able to talk the language of the individual and that's why you got senior managers here that does that. So for me, I was able to do that once. Oh, it actually worked out really well for the individual because he didn't have the credentials stacked up. But what he had is that grit, what he's had, is that, that, that in it in them. You know, I'm saying they got to do it like, like kind of walk us through it. So it was a. It was a guy that was self-talk, okay and but he did a lot of other cool projects On the side. So he worked with some celebrities and did another app, he did this and that. So he had a stack resume.
Speaker 6I went to he was looking for a job. I went to a hiring manager said hey, listen, this boy right here, this cat right here, he going to be the next one. I said you had Google, you had all these other companies fighting over him, but I said this going to be the next one for you. The hiring manager looked at it and was like, hmm, let's talk now, because I had a relationship with the hiring manager. It wasn't a hard sale because you know we bring top quality canons. They won't know. You could call a higher manager that you know and say, hey, you got to open it. Here's one for you and they'll take you because you're your situation. That cat excelled at the job. Wow, that's awesome.
Speaker 4Yeah, that is awesome, that's awesome.
Speaker 2I think there's yes.
Speaker 1And the vast majority of hiring managers are going to say no to that.
Speaker 5Exactly the vast majority yes. But you're going to have to go to the top, but you're going to find somebody who was the dark horse. Yeah, that.
Speaker 2I know I was qualified. That's what you're talking about.
Speaker 3He's like hey hey, hey, hey, hey, hey hey hey.
Speaker 4I was going to say you dropped out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just dropped out. Oh yeah, the dark horse, he dropped all, he dropped out the grade here we go, j-mos going on his rent no, but like yo the Madrid because when he ever says dark horse, he talked about himself. No, that's what I was, yeah, yeah, he's been self-loathing.
Speaker 5But nine out of ten managers are going to say no, but you're going to get that one manager that says yes, and there's just art. So let's think of it from a different perspective. Let's say a old girl who was on the show that started the Lemonade Company.
Speaker 6OK gotcha.
Speaker 5She started a lemonade company. How?
Speaker 3old 10. Yeah, seven, seven, something like that, seven.
Speaker 5And then she has lemonade being distributed all across Denver, Colorado.
Speaker 2It's like 10,000 hours of being a businesswoman at that age, at that age.
Speaker 5Yeah, and you mean to tell me she shouldn't go through some accelerated entrepreneurship program. Right, but there's going to be so many people that say no, but there's only one person that says yes. So that 10 percent or the one percent or 10 percent, whatever that says yes, if it's the right person, she's going to go.
Speaker 4Nobody's ever going to how do you guys transcend that? No, no, no, no. How do you to?
Speaker 3transcend that, because we talked to.
Speaker 4OK, sorry.
Speaker 5I'm not done, sorry.
Speaker 4Sorry, yeah.
Speaker 5Sorry, no. So you have to have the right person to his point. The right manager Number one you have to have number two. The right company Number three you have to have the right individual Right.
Speaker 2Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 5Number four you have to have the right resources. And number five, you have to have a plan. And if you, if you have all of that, then you get your answer.
Speaker 4Yeah, so the trend. So my question falls into are you willing to do that? I'm willing to do it. I did it. Ok, let's talk about your story. Let's talk about no, it's not about me man. No, no, no, no, but. But we're trying to get the message out.
Speaker 4OK to people who, I think, don't have the paper because, because we had this conversation yeah, I love it About two months ago with the guy who was the educator, and we had the conversation in terms of if a college degree is necessary or not. Yes, so so that's what's driving this question in terms of you guys, of being over diversity, equity and inclusion.
Speaker 3Yes.
Speaker 4How far are you guys willing to go for? A person who is self taught, self trained, who doesn't specifically need the paperwork because he demonstrates the fact that he knows how to do the job, but the job requires him to have to produce this in order to get this Matisse more junior. Ok, let's talk about it.
Hiring Process and Inequities in Opportunities
Speaker 2Well, real quick before you go, though. But I think the part that we don't acknowledge is like, if you think about if a person wants to go to an NFL, yeah Right, think about that journey of trying to get there, right. Usually is the person that has been playing young, takes the steps. The next thing you know he goes to a major, a major college, because he was top ranked, and then from that major college, those are the creme de la creme, right? You do have those instances where it's somebody that didn't go that route Might have came from a juke code, just had a rougher path and just has the time is the grit, there you go and then next thing you know they just they're there, but they just took a different path.
Speaker 2I think and I'll let you talk about T's is that you can do the same thing of what they're talking about, right, but it has to be the right opportunity. You got to be right.
Speaker 6It's like everything got a line it does.
Speaker 2I couldn't do that, as where I'm at right now Right Like I couldn't just be like oh, you have no, just high school and that's it. But you're a beast. You got to go to another company that'll give you that opportunity. Maybe smaller startup prove, get that on a resume, then come talk to me after you got some experience from them, then we can have that conversation, or your GitHub got to be tight, or that.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, no like your hacker rank your lead code, like all that has to be superior where you're like, oh, you're like the top 10% coder at high school or whatever, Then we'll probably consider you.
Speaker 5So, courtney, tight in from the Saints. What was his name? To play basketball? Kin State.
Speaker 4Like, like, no charges. Oh no, jimmy Grant. No, no, no, no, not the same.
Speaker 6This is the charges you're talking about To this he played with your breeze and you talk about 10.
Speaker 5No, Tony basketball in college. Tony Gates he, OK him to will use him. So he barely played a lick of basketball or football. Got to NFL, right system, right. Personally, you see what I'm saying Everything lined up. That doesn't happen often because you have some of the great people who go into shitty systems that don't exist so or don't make it. Yeah, and it's the same. It's no different in our world, man. If you get the right resources with the right person, they're going to succeed. Man, but for people, right.
Speaker 4But for there's no, but for Caucasian people that's kind of ultra-perm Well see they didn't them jobs. So I'm saying how much juice? How much juice do they allow? Y'all know, it's just a little bit less.
Speaker 2It's a little yeah.
Speaker 5And then you look at those.
Speaker 2That's honest. But they're doing the code at that age, like, if you look at Zuckerberg, steve Jobs, anybody that Bill Gates, like they was doing that when they was 10, of like just messing with a computer, didn't really know what they was doing, opening up the console, hit, run, execute a program, and it's like, oh, dad, look what I did. And it's like awesome, son, keep doing that, right. Next thing you know he's on there for hours.
Speaker 5Here's somebody in our network we can connect you with.
Speaker 2Absolutely, it's going to get an internship. Black and brown.
Speaker 4It's black, it's black, it's black, and it's black, brown and yellow kids doing that too. That's what I'm saying. So so you guys just position.
Speaker 5Accessibility isn't there.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's when they come into play.
Speaker 4So that, so that and that's, and that's where I'm at Right, that's I'm at you guys's level. Do you guys have the autonomy to say I believe in this young man or woman hiring? No, because, as as they're not the hiring manager. No no no, no, but they're not the hiring manager. But I'm saying how much weight does y'all work? They trust me. It's like that was all there for it.
Speaker 2I'm with y'all are the gatekeeper to make sure I'm trying to figure out what his mate is, because he's like I got you guys are the gatekeeper to say this.
Speaker 4This is where it's our job to make this job equitable, right, listen.
Speaker 2I talked to this man. I thought I had I was in. I got zero calls. I was like man, you're the director. Man, what do you do? If you can't give me a call? What do you do? I bring the way. So your resume, your resume's format was off, but I'm at a comparable company.
Speaker 5It actually worked. And now you are.
Speaker 4Oh, that boy double spaced.
Speaker 5It's good to see you Probably a level up now. Slack Come on.
Speaker 2No, you weren't there for the size of the company For the size.
Speaker 5You were a placeable dude.
Speaker 2No.
Speaker 5Yes, you were.
Speaker 2Was I? Yes, but that's my point. I went from placeable to slack.
Speaker 5Because somebody believed in you right.
Speaker 2No, because I went there and killed the interview.
Speaker 5Got it Point taken.
Speaker 2You didn't give me an interview.
Speaker 3That's my point this is your resume format. I'm sorry, hey.
Speaker 4Hey you said that shit fell flat. But I threw Davis' Dave out there and made you. It was like who the hell are you man?
Speaker 5You don't win them all. Dude, I'll take it.
Speaker 2I didn't get a chance to win one. That's my point. You the pipeline, I didn't get any calls.
Speaker 5It happens.
Speaker 2No, I'm not mad yeah.
Speaker 5I forgot what I was going to say.
Speaker 2Some bullshit no.
Speaker 5I was an aggressive dude over you. No, no.
Speaker 2No, that's what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 4No, honestly, the question was.
Speaker 2The question was for YouTube and then Cam. We'll get back to you.
Speaker 4No no, so Cam. The question was for YouTube and I know Damo, he's the first person to say this isn't on me, but you guys are in the same field. You know what I mean. You guys do the same work. Oh, I don't know what I'm going to say Go ahead.
Speaker 5Oh dude, it's like a credit score OK. So if I tell Jay, say hey, I have somebody for you, you need a higher, Give it and I'll hire him. Give this person a look.
Speaker 2I was at Ibotta, not placeable.
Speaker 5But go ahead yeah.
Speaker 2Kupon's great, do you use?
Speaker 4that. I know you use that. I used to yeah All the wings you could get hey you got fired and I was like I'm done with it Bogo wings.
Speaker 5My bad.
Speaker 4Go ahead.
Speaker 5No, so it's like a credit score. So you're a hiring manager and I go to you and I said I have somebody and that works. My credit score with you now is 800. Thank you, you see what I'm saying. I go to you hey, hire, like hire, talk to this person and it works out that they get hired 800 credit score. I go to this dude and they don't get hired. My credit score is zero. Why, though, dude? It's human nature, because you're black. No, I'm just pushing you. I'm just pushing you. No, it's because I'm saying you need to spend time with this individual and you the hiring manager.
Speaker 4Each of them at the hiring manager.
Speaker 5Yeah, you said time is the most valuable asset. Yes or no? Yes, got it Got it.
Speaker 3You see what I'm saying, as far as referrals.
Speaker 5Yes, I'm with you and you spent 30 minutes, 45 minutes or an hour with this individual and they failed. They literally didn't prepare. That's part of your role.
Speaker 4So what is you guys' role in terms of hiring the hiring managers?
Speaker 5You don't hire the hiring manager.
Speaker 2No, but you put them in the pipeline.
Speaker 4That demo what you do. That's what I'm saying you put hiring managers.
Speaker 2So what is your Seeing? Your engineer managers? You put them in the pipeline. I would imagine that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4So what is the yeah? So you have input on who the hiring managers are, because that ultimately affects your ability to hire the people that you feel is mobile the hiring manager. No, no, a demo. You're going to the extreme, no not stupid. You're going to the extreme.
Speaker 2But that is part of your job to have a pipeline that qualified individuals that come through.
Speaker 3They're not being hired.
Speaker 2Then there is some performance attached to that of like demo. You're not getting high quality people Hiring managers.
Speaker 5I miss that point.
Speaker 4That's my point, because you guys are supposed to have a say in all of that right In terms of, but not only, the software engineers.
Speaker 2Well, no, he's like the scout he doesn't have a say, but he'll tell you.
Speaker 4yo, this is a great player to come through, and that's what I'm saying. You guys are the scout, so I'm saying so it's all about. So what is you guys' role in terms of building the juice in order to create a level platform across the board? To say, hey, I'm going to make sure or hold my company accountable to hiring, hiring managers that are going to make my company diverse.
Speaker 6So I would say immediately that frozen middle is the hiring managers right. Most of them have already been there before we got there. Most of them already got there the way they think and operate, so what?
Teachable and Reachable
Speaker 6you're saying is that we're going to have to reshift all the hiring managers. Now, they won't know, like I know we can count five or six that we can go to that we scouted and say, yo, that's the one you know, giving them a good look, and they and they teams are going to flourish. They're going to be in the product meeting and the engineering meeting, and the CTL going to be like well, why is J team doing so? Well, blah, blah, blah, because you got a dope scout. That's not the hunt for you. What you're saying, though, is that we're going to have to. It's going to be a long shift that we can't control.
Speaker 6Yeah, you know, like we, we can only do so when we get to the company, to where we want to take it. We can only influence that piece. Yeah, outside of that, some of them. You ain't going to get like diversity. Every time you do a program, 10% of the people you're not going to get, so don't worry about it.
Speaker 3It might even be more than that. That's a good point. I was being nice.
Speaker 6But yeah, you know what I'm saying, so you just leave that alone, but you focus on the people that are listening, that want to get with you, and you build the juice, the credit score with those people. Y'all continue to run it up.
Speaker 5So that's one point there the consultant that we work with. She says I will not work with anybody that's not teachable and reachable. Yes, Mm. Yes, got it Like if you're teachable and reachable, she's going to mess with you. Yeah, but otherwise like that that, whatever percent is not reachable, yes.
Speaker 6She did.
Speaker 5Like it's. So think of it as a spectrum. Zero being hey, you don't believe in diversity, equity, inclusion? Yeah, all right. 10 being you're all the way in. Yep, if you're at a three, four or three or four, maybe even a five, she might not even work with you. I got you, but if you're at five through seven, she's going to pull you to a 10. Yep.
Speaker 2Word. Hey, I'm not mad at them this podcast. All right. Well, daniel, I should question man.
Speaker 5Hey, kim had a good time. Man yeah, pre-podcast and during the podcast. Absolutely, we're kind of a little all over the place, but it was fruitful. Man yeah, who would you invite to be on the show? Who would you want to sit in that?
Speaker 6seat this cat named Marlon Avery. Oh tell us more. So Marlon Avery is a self-taught engineer. He worked with Ha Ha Davis on his app that became the number one app in the world overnight, oh, ok. He worked with different. He worked at different companies. But I don't have a degree, but he's super solid in what he does.
Speaker 6That's dope and I think Marlon perspective is special on this AI workshop there so that they know what's going on. It would be really insightful. You know y'all can geek out on the engineer side of it, but his story is so cool, so raw, so real. You know we need more of the Marlon Avery's of the world to come and be on podcasts like this and come in and, you know, tell a story for access and also for education and for the people that watch it to know that you can make it too, you could go different routes, you don't have to go to school and that, and you could do your own thing and get there. Yeah, that's awesome, and this podcast.
Speaker 5The audience and the viewers. With one last thing about Thrive and Black women tech about what we're doing through or what you're doing through the end of the year. Tell us about it.
Promotion of Blkmntechcom in South Florida
Speaker 6Hey, listen y'all. Thrive is back October 19th through the 22nd in Fort Lauderdale, florida. We're excited. We work from his speakers, companies and we're trying to get people hired. Last year, honestly, four people got offers from Thrive on the spot from a company and it's absolutely amazing. It's an opportunity for us to get together as people black people as a whole and really have a good time for a couple of days. Outside of that, at the end of the year we always do our givebacks and that sort of thing. We do our winter give back and we're really looking forward to the conference. Man, I'm excited because every year you learn something new and they may have been through it all with us. So he knows, you know, the levels that we're trying to go and take it and he's a believer. So definitely excited about the conference. Follow us on all socials at blkmntechcom. It's our website and we look forward to welcoming you all to South Florida.
Speaker 4Oh man, that's awesome, that's awesome. That's awesome.
Speaker 2Well, big round of applause for Cam Ward. Thank you for coming through. Shout out to the audience Janelle Hayes, bobby Alexander and the lovely wife of Cam Ward, erica Ward. Thanks for coming through. Y'all fine out there, sorry.
Speaker 4Cam, they look good in Florida, don't they? Hey, hey, make sure you go. She let them know.
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