SPEAKERS
LILY, JENNY
JENNY 00:04
Let's talk about my waffle maker. Because I was thinking of Archie as I ordered it online.
LILY 00:13
[Laughter]. How that was his request from the Queen for his second birthday. A waffle maker. It's probably one of the funniest and most bizarre things they've done. Onjust like, so many levels as like, because obviously she wanted the waffle maker. Oh, we're talking about Meghan Markle
JENNY 00:32
We've talked about it before this. Yeah, we have because we were I was like, they've got so much money if she wanted the waffle maker, why did they not just buy the waffle maker number one, then number two? Why did they have to make it for Archie's birthday as a present? And we talked about wooden, you know, you'd think that she would be the one wanting the wooden toys and all the eco stuff. Why a maker waffle?
LILY 00:58
I don't think she would want anything for him. I don't think she'd want any toys- you know what I mean, like because it's about him then. I do think she's like a hands down narcissist
JENNY 01:06
Yeah, if you haven't picked up yet, we are down on MM
LILY 01:10
we are not a fan. To an extent. But you know, and Harry
JENNY 01:15
and Harry now has- not that he was in that- I didn't hold him in high esteem. I was probably fairly neutral. But I did think he was sort of like seemed like a fun, quite a good guy for a royal. But he's so down. I mean, he's even more down now. But yeah, we are royalists. we'll just, we'll just put that out there. We are royalists, we'll get some hate mail over this, maybe our first hate mail.
LILY 01:42
And the way I look at it is like, and it's so funny, because I've had a lot of conversations with people, especially in the house about this, and particularly around the Oprah interview and everything. And it's like, I like the royal family, just like I like reality TV, you know what I mean? And I also like history. So those two things come together very well for me. And I'm like, I like this concept of an institution that holds a lot of history, it has a lot of tradition, has a lot of pomp and circumstance, because those are all things I enjoy, and I enjoy watching and engaging with. And I love seeing all the fashion. And I love the fact that they're called Your Majesty, like I just, you know, I love it. It's like it's a remnant of the old world that we no longer have anymore,
JENNY 02:23
Which for some people is a world that needed to die out long ago and be put to the side and that it is a world with terrible history behind it
LILY 02:31
100%. I will never, I will never defend the British Empire. Yeah, I don't think that it's, I understand the benefits of, say, the Commonwealth. And I also don't really like know a huge amount about how a lot of the countries in the Commonwealth feel towards it. But it does feel still wrong to have, say, this oppressive white institution as your head of state, when majority countries in the Commonwealth are not white countries. But I think the royal family in England makes sense to me, like you know what I mean, and a lot of people in England absolutely love them. And that is part of the history and that is a positive thing for them and something they can rally around and something that is an expression of their Britishness. I think that's fine. The royal family and the Queen is the head of state. For other countries, that's a whole debate, which I'm actually not that interested in. Personally, I'm here for the fun, fashion, and, you know,
JENNY 03:28
and the entertainment for me. I like the entertainment factor, you know,
LILY 03:34
I have a lot of respect for the Queen. She's done a lot, a huge amount I think for that country and just like for the- there's something to be said in the time of like politics where you have politicians in power for like 4 or 8 years, everything's very short. Everything's very short term. Yeah, there's something to be said for like this staying power of one person that is there to kind of carry a country or carry people through all these different things
JENNY 04:05
as a figurehead. Sure, withouht the political power and I mean, I always think that there should be that separation of
LILY 04:13
100% on percent because you know, what happens when you if you don't have that what happens when you get someone who's an absolute, you know,
JENNY 04:20
tyrant.
LILY 04:21
Yeah, exactly. And this, there's not that protection, but I think it's yeah, it just goes to show the kind of, I guess, the value that can be had of that kind of consistency, anyway, but what I was going to say is like, even though yes, I have a bit of a royalist in that regard. The thing about this whole situation isn't necessarily that I'm pro royal, even though I am, you know, and you could say to me, Hey, I don't like the royal family. So fine, but don't like Megan Markel just because you don't like the royal family and don't do your fucking research. Like you know what I mean, I think that's the most frustrating thing and this is like kind of what was saying before it was like that like wanting to know what's happened. And we've both done a lot of research.
JENNY 05:06
We've done our research
LILY 05:08
on everything that's happened
JENNY 05:09
deep dive
LILY 05:10
deep deep dives on everything that's happened since she's joined, since she met Harry. And there's so many inconsistencies. And so many blatant lies in the Oprah interview as a great example of that of them just like you. I don't care what you think about the Royals, but don't just turn around and be like, Well, I hate the Royals, I think they're racist, therefore, I support Meghan Markle. Because she's no better than them, like, hands down, they're better than them.
JENNY 05:35
Yeah, and she's absolutely utilising that or, you know, like leveraging that sort of attitude. And playing into it, I would suggest but give one example from the Oprah Oprah interview of a lie.
LILY 05:49
Okay, so she essentially said that Archie should be named, should have been given the title of Prince, and that the royal family didn't give him that, because he was half black. And they didn't want that. And that therefore him not having the title of Prince means that he wasn't entitled to security, and that they were endangering his life. And they were just leaving him out to essentially get kidnapped. Just so you know, that was what they were implying. Yeah, this royal family essentially just abandoned him. The Queen's own grand- great grandson,
JENNY 06:21
a baby,
LILY 06:22
A baby. And compared with say the Cambridge children, so Will and Kate, Oh, they got the title of Prince and Princess, they got this they got that. So I'm going to launch into a bit of a history rant here. But that is literally the law. The law is -- and the reason that they did this --- and this is what King George did back in like World War One, because he saw what happened in Europe, with the Kaiser and the Tsar and these huge European royal extended families where everyone was a prince and that this and that, that the people were not going to support a really, really bloated royal family with everyone living off the money, the taxes of the people. So he decided to streamline the royal family. And ever since then, that has happened with every generation and every monarch, they have streamlined and streamlined and streamlined. So essentially, the law is that you've got the monarch, the essentially the first- well now it's the first child but like the first son would inherit, and then his children. Right. So that would be Queen, Charles, Will. By law, they will receive -- so Will and Harry, they will receive the title of prince or princess. And they will receive all the benefits that go with being kind of part of that inner family. They didn't make any provisions for children of the grandchild of the monarch, because this is World War One. People- monarchs weren't really living as long as Queenie has lived. So they really thought that by that time the grandchild had children, the monarch would have died, Charles would have essentially moved up to King, Will would be next in line. And that will automatically mean those children- do you get what I mean? So provisions for two generations after, not three. And so the Queen essentially changed that for George and Charlotte and Louis. Because eventually when she did die, and Charles became King, they would receive those titles anyway. And so it was the consistency, and the fact that George will be future King
JENNY 08:42
And when did she change that? Because that would be Meghan and Harry's thing
LILY 08:45
At birth. When they were born, she made that
JENNY 08:50
well before Harry ever met Meghan Yes. And it was only for them and she hasn't like changed the law completely. For them it was like a special thing. Anyway. So theoretically, when Charles become becomes King, Archie will be entitled to the title of Prince because he's a grandchild of the monarch. Yeah, however, and that's what Andrew Prince Andrew really pushed for Eugenie and Beatrice. But also side note on that, Eugenie and Beatrice, even though they've had the title of Prince and Princess, I mean, Prince and Princess, Princess -- Jesus my brain -- even though they've had those titles, have paid for their own security or their parents have paid for their security privately. They've never had state-funded, taxpayer-funded security. So Megan and Harry were like, We want taxpayer security for Archie. But he's essentially of the same -- and will be of the same rank -- as Beatrice and Eugenie. They could have waited until Charles was King and be like, We're gonna call Archie Prince then, but instead, they essentially had a hissy fit and was like, we're not going to call them anything. We're going to try and present this as like he's just a normal guy. So to do that, as if it was like their idea when he was born and like We're not giving him any titles, he's just gonna be a real person, and then turn around and be like, turn around, No, actually, we wanted that. But the only reason we wanted that, the only reason we wanted him to be Prince was because of the security, even though he would never have gotten security even if he wasn't a prince, even if the Queen- like it just it's not how it works. And I think it just shows time and time again, was very much relying on people's lack of knowledge about what especially Americans,
LILY 10:30
yes. What are the etiquettes? What are the laws, these are literal laws, Parliament had to approve Louis, and Charlotte and George being called prince and princess, had to approve, and the fact that they don't accept and then they're not, yeah they don't accept that. They are not part of the inner royal family. They're not anymore. Harry was growing up, but he will be uncle to a king, just like Andrew's uncle, you know, to a future king, like, and Charles particularly wants to streamline it even more so it will just be the monarch, child of monarch, their oldest and just kind of that and everyone kind of has to figure out their own shit. Anyway. So that's what frustrates me. It's like, I don't care what you think about the Royals, but just go do your research. And you will see how much they lie and how much she lies. And it's like, yeah, that's fine. You can also be like, fair enough. She's in a certain position. She's gonna lie to get what she wants. Sure, but there's just this look, holier than thou. Oh my god, she's such a good person. So charitable. So giving, so nice, so kind. No, bullshit. Anyway.
JENNY 11:42
So that's our position. And it will no doubt rear its head. You know, I won't say repeatedly, but it will come up again. No doubt.
LILY 11:54
Well, we definitely go through phases of being involved. And I just had to stop being that in it and reading all the stuff, watching all the videos, hearing all the things, because it just made me so rageful. And I just comfort myself with the knowledge that like Meghan Markel, it's for a lifetime, but the monarchy endures, it literally, it outlives her. That's the thing, like, whatever. No one will remember her in a few generations, really,
JENNY 12:23
When are we going to see the daughter, that's what I want to know, like, why? I know, it's, I know, it's them sort of saying our privacy,
LILY 12:30
they're going to sell a huge photo spread to like Vogue or something. That's what they're gonna do.
JENNY 12:35
Yeah. It's really bad.
LILY 12:38
It's so trashy and so bad. And I'm just like, Oh, Harry, you fool you absolute fool. And it's so interesting, because he's like, kind of like Edward, like the parallels between him and Edward. Her and Wallis. Like, it's kind of interesting to see that history, like repeat itself a little bit.
JENNY 13:00
It really is. And reading that Queen Mother, book by Lady Colin Campbell, also the parallels about mental health and I'm now I'm putting my scathing, my scathingness to the side, and I'm speaking sincerely and with empathy. But yeah, the idea of mental health issues coming down the lines as well. And Harry, if we're talking about Harry, him, maybe receiving from genetically or whatever, from both both sides, from Diana and down from Charles's line as well, with the family histories.
LILY 13:37
Yeah, Diana, obviously, was a very, very interesting character. And I think that extent of maybe her mental health issues, you know, everyone kind of talks about the bulimia and stuff like that, but like, how she was and who she was as a person, and how that would have affected the boys, either yes genetically, but also in terms of like, environmental, you know, being kind of exposed to her as a person.
JENNY 14:02
Yeah. And her as a narcissist, Lady C, says she was a narcissist. And so that would make sense for Harry to either seek consciously or unconsciously or be a prime target of another
LILY 14:16
100%. And there's been a lot about that, a lot of not just like, Oh, here's, like a lot of experts just like, breaking down. The mothering that Meghan does of him from very early on, the way she's touched him, the way she's kind of been in his space. It's a very kind of maternally mothering thing. And it's interesting, because that probably happens with a lot of people, and it's subconscious and it kind of works for both parties. And so what I guess, you know, everyone's got their trauma and shit, but I do think, yeah, I do think there's kind of like a conscious element, on her part. She is so controlled, always and there's just like so many conflicting reports of her from so many different people and you kind of see that anyone who's sort of use to her, she's some way and anyone who is working for her, or lower than her, or whatever, she's another way. And I think that that's when you really start to see kind of the the narcissistic tendencies and people, is when you've got that kind of disparity between accounts of them. And that touching I think is also can be quite like it's probably what cult people do. There will be whole psychological stuff around well it's like grooming in a way
JENNY 15:34
And I was gonna say grooming as my second thing. And part of the love bombing.
LILY 15:41
Yes. Which there's been a lot about that. And also just like the fact that her social media presence changed so dramatically leading up to her meeting him. Like, she had never shown any interest in activism, or conservation or Africa. And then suddenly a few
JENNY 16:01
African bracelets, they're like, Yep,
LILY 16:05
and that was someone like broke it down. And they were like, it's so what you do is you mirror and this is part of catfishing
JENNY 16:10
Mirroring
LILY 16:12
So like, she went from this like super slick- she kinda used to dress like she- like the character Rachel in Suits like she was in all of these like super slick like stiletto like, you know, LA put together. Yeah, to like, baseball caps, and T shirts and T shirts, like jeans and flats. And like she started wearing these bracelets, like Harry does. And she went to Africa and
JENNY 16:35
wearing Diana's perfume.
LILY 16:37
Yeah, she wears Diana's perfume [laughter]
JENNY 16:40
Crazy.
LILY 16:41
And she's there being like, Oh my God, I didn't even- I would have... She'd just be like, He's like, Oh, my god, that's my mother's perfume? And she's like: It's meant to be, I didn't even know, Oh, my God. That's so weird, I've worn this for 15 years, my dad got it for me, you know, it's just- And the first lie was in their engagement interview when
JENNY 17:00
Where she said she didn't know who he was. But as long as he's kind.
LILY 17:04
Yeah, she said that her friends set them up on a blind date with Prince Harry. She didn't Google anything. She said, firstly, she didn't know who he was, which is bullshit. But even if you didn't, but you feel like you got to be set up on a date with a prince, you Google him. Like there was no chance you would not Google him.
JENNY 17:23
I know. She was just such
LILY 17:25
Just from the beginning, she's just created- trying to create this narrative of how it all happened. And there's also been so many so many proven facts that show that they met way earlier than they said, in a very different situation than they said. So. It's all lies.
JENNY 17:41
Did I end up sending you that the Melissa McCarthy thing and Meghan's video for Meghan's 40th Birthday where she wanted to do mentoring thing, where 40 women mentor 40 young people. And Melissa McCarthy, the comedian.
LILY 17:59
Yeah, what happened?
JENNY 18:01
Okay. Maybe we should pause and you have a we have a look at it. Sure. Pausing now.
LILY 18:11
Okay, so I've got a few questions or comments. [Laughter] Firstly, I love how she can't just say you know, I'm asking 40 amazing, incredible women to donate their time. 40 *friends*, it has to be her *friends*. Secondly, she's not a very good actress at all. That was so awkward and stilted.
JENNY 18:32
How was she in Suits? You watched Suits?
LILY 18:35
Yeah, I actually want to go back and watch it and see if I hate her. I did watch Suits. She was fine in Suits but I don't think Suits was like the best-acted show ever you know what I mean, right? You know. [Laughter] Melissa McCarthy is very funny. Also, I love her she says it's like if we just like if we do this in like 40 minutes of your time I believe we can create a ripple effect, there's no actual like outline of how they're going to help these women. How does 40 minutes with a celebrity help them?
JENNY 19:02
Do you know it's fallen over, it's gone nowhere.
LILY 19:05
Oh, really?
JENNY 19:06
Failed to launch
LILY 19:07
[Laughter] Yeah, that's the thing. It's all and then and then the end where Harry's doing his little juggling the background, a cameo. I love how she doesn't use it in the actual video.
JENNY 19:17
Yeah, no, no because he's just so sideline, he's a side act. He is a side as a circus act going
LILY 19:27
Was it in The New York Times, the cover and he's just there perched behind her, clutching her like some weird barnacle.
JENNY 19:37
[Laughter] So bad.
LILY 19:39
A parasite. It is so bad.
JENNY 19:40
And then recently they were in New York, and he's- he was there in his like pale chinos, and his like
LILY 19:48
his brown shoes.
JENNY 19:50
His Dexter his Dexter kill shirt. Like it's buttoned up long sleeve T shirt, it was definitely the Dexter kill shirt. Probably totally 60 bucks all up and her, I will put a link in the show notes. Her outfit was worth 10s of 1000s of dollars and her jewellery was apparently more than $200,000 worth. And he's walking behind her and she's got some woman ushering her, explaining something to her with her hand out. And Harry's up the back with the who the fuck knows. Like she is- she's a central. But what did you notice about that video you just watched and we'll put the link
LILY 20:33
I would also just add on that when they went to New York, people were also like It's so hot here. Why is she wearing that? She's in like a turtleneck. And she's got this coat on? Yeah, it was like 80 degrees or 90 degrees right?
JENNY 20:47
So it was a different time, the photograph was at a different time then
LILY 20:51
Maybe or she just really wanted to wear that outfit for whatever reason, because it's like, so much money and it's partly for merching
JENNY 20:59
Commission
LILY 20:59
And commmission. I don't know. What did I notice about that video?
JENNY 21:03
You missed something quite significant. I believe that Melissa McCarthy did and I think it was a dig at Meghan.
LILY 21:11
Oh, what?
JENNY 21:13
When she puts on her hat and she goes No yacht parties? or something like that.
LILY 21:17
Oh true!!
JENNY 21:18
Yeah.
LILY 21:20
Yeah. Yeah.
JENNY 21:22
Not a yacht party?
LILY 21:23
No yacht? You're saying no yachts? Yeah.
JENNY 21:26
That was good.
LILY 21:27
That is good. She was good. She would know, because all Hollywood knows. Everyone knows.
JENNY 21:32
Yeah, we'll leave listeners to do their own research into the yacht connection.
LILY 21:37
Yeah, just Google Meghan Markel yacht girl and you'll figure some stuff out. Yeah, we're gonna get sued. By them
JENNY 21:44
please don't sue us.
LILY 21:45
I know Harry and Meghan will try to sue us they sue everyone.
JENNY 21:49
Because we're such a you know, we have such a big
LILY 21:51
a big global reach. I wouldn't put it past them. Actually, so petty. Ugh. Anyway. Yeah, interesting times.