Ep: 185 Healthy Kids, Real Life: A Pediatrician Mom’s Honest Approach with Dr. Padget Skogman

In this episode of Your Child Is Normal, Dr. Jessica Hochman sits down with pediatric hospitalist and mom of three, Dr. Padget Skogman, for a refreshingly honest conversation about raising healthy kids in a very imperfect world. They dive into the real-life challenges of nutrition, screen time, and daily routines—offering practical, judgment-free advice for families who want to feel better without burning out.

Dr. Skogman shares how her experience as a physician and a mother shaped her views on food, wellness, and the importance of small, sustainable changes. The episode covers everything from lunchbox negotiations to decoding wellness trends, helping parents cut through the noise and focus on what really matters.

Whether you're overwhelmed by wellness culture or just trying to get your kids to eat a vegetable, this episode is full of relatable moments and empowering guidance.

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Dr Jessica Hochman is a board certified pediatrician, mom to three children, and she is very passionate about the health and well being of children. Most of her educational videos are targeted towards general pediatric topics and presented in an easy to understand manner.

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Hi everybody. Thank you so much for tuning in to today's episode of your child is normal. Today, I'm joined by fellow pediatrician and mom of three, Dr Paget skogman, and in today's episode, we're going to talk about practical ways to help kids build healthier, not perfect, habits, even in the chaos of real life. So from food and screens to sleep in connection, this episode is full of honest and doable tips. And if you enjoy what Padgett has to say and you want to learn more from her, I recommend checking out her Instagram page at Dr Paget COVID. I'm also linking all of her information in the episode description below. And before we get started, if you're enjoying this podcast, I would be so grateful if you could take a moment and leave a five star review. It really helps others find the show. All right. Now, let's get into it. Welcome Dr Paget Goldman, to your child is normal. I'm so happy to have you here. Oh, I'm so grateful to be here. This is like, such an honor. So tell us a bit about yourself. You're a pediatrician. Tell me about where you practice and what your main pediatric interests are, yes, so I am a pediatrician in Iowa, right in the middle of the country. I'm a born and raised, actual Iowa farm girl, and I practice in general pediatrics. I'm now a Pediatric Hospitalist, but started in a clinic and worked there for about four years and ran a pediatric obesity clinic, and then transitioned into the hospital world because I missed some of the acuity and also wanted more flexible time to be able to kind of like, help grow this platform that's amazing, and just to envision what your life is like. You're a mom and you work. How many kids do you have, and what is your schedule like? Yeah, so I have three kids like you. I'm married. My husband is a lawyer. I have a nine year old, a six year old and a four year old now, and I love being their mom. Our schedule. I'm a community based hospitalist, so I'll work a couple weeks on and then have a couple weeks off. I like that schedule where you can be on for a couple of weeks and off for a couple of weeks. I'm sure your kids love that flexibility. I think, yes, it's hard because it's like, kind of an all or none, you know what I mean. So I'm either, like, total, full blown mom or totally not. But I really love it, because it was hard to get as much hands on mom time as I wanted with the constraints of clinic. So like, I was never able to drive for a field trip or go in and read the book or things like that. Because when you're in clinic, it's, I mean, busy, full days. So this affords some flexibility with that. And always, I tell everyone, it takes a village, right? So I would not be in the position I am without a loving family that helps. My nanny is like sitting in the background because I couldn't do anything without Sophie, like, she is a godsend. So it's really awesome that, like, I'm able to kind of, like, do a lot of my passions and still be a mom, which is probably my greatest passion. How do you balance it all? Because that's, I mean, you can edit this out if you want. But I was like, yesterday when I was asking Dr Jessica and I met briefly, and I was asking her about, like, how does she fit in this? And I thought you would be like, a full time podcaster, like, you were like, No, I rounded at newborn nursery, and now I'm gonna go to clinic and I have this lunch hour tomorrow. And I was like, what, what are you? You're amazing. Like, that's so like, how do you make that work? Thank you. Well, like you said, it really takes a village. So I have a very involved husband. He's a doctor, but he's very involved with the kids. We literally split the pickups and dry. Pickups and drop offs, 5050, my mother in law is very helpful. My parents are very helpful. You know, I don't do a lot of extras, like, meaning I don't watch a lot of TV, but Thanks for, thanks for thinking that I do a lot. I appreciate that. Of course, I also always say, like motherhood, it's like the mess of the magic of motherhood, right? That, like my life, at least, is not nearly as like orderly or perfect as I thought it would be, but I kind of love the chaos. And I feel like the platform I'm trying to create is to be like, I do not have it all pulled together. And these are some of like, my teeny, tiny tips and tricks to show you that, like, I prioritize healthy eating and cooking, but in no way is it perfect, and in absolutely no way, shape or form does it take a ton of time for me. Because if it did take a ton of time, I would never do it. You know, so kind of trying to, like, debug some of that and be like, how do you do this in real life, because everyone knows what we're supposed to do. We just can't, as you mentioned, we all know about healthy habits. We know it's good to eat fruits and vegetables. The reality is, implementing those healthy habits is very challenging, and I would be a total liar if I told you I was a perfect eater and that my kids were perfect eaters, and it's something that I'm always trying to work on, because I do know that I owe it to them to try my best to raise them with good habits, because that sets them up for a healthier future. So I know that this is your passion. It is, that's it. It's like, the most boring thing ever, right? Like, I'm like, teach your kids healthy habits, but then also, like, how do you do that? Right? And that's kind of been my. My journey as a mom, I think when you're in residency, I don't know about you, but I did not have any time to think about health or wellness. So you come out of residency, and at that point, I had one, almost two children, and hadn't put a ton of like, time or effort or thought into getting them to eat. Well, I just gave them the very standard American diet, like what we had kind of grown up with. And then as I've evolved, I've kind of learned more and then started to do better, you know. So it's like, how do you take your kids from eating goldfish and fruit snacks and get them to, like, try more vegetables and eat more fruits that, you know? And I'm not saying that my kids don't eat goldfish and for sex, because they do, you know, but like, how do I move that needle and just teach and encourage and invite other people on the journey? And the same with screens, that's the other thing that I feel like. Both nutrition and screens, they were incredibly hard to talk about in the office, because naturally, I think as adults and moms especially, we all know almost exactly what we should be doing, and so it's easy to feel shame when you have a doctor that's, hey, how many vegetables do they eat? You know? And you want to say, like, oh yeah, they're great vegetable eaters or, you know, but like, the reality is that's not true for a lot of kids. And so how do I give them different ideas, or meet them where they're at or, like, just kind of be on the journey with them. But I think I just want to share that with other moms, because I feel like so much of us everywhere are in a similar, you know, boat and kind of like that. Health is always it's a journey, you know, and for me also, so much of what I want to teach my kids is that, like, your health doesn't have to be your healthy habits don't have to be perfect. They just have to be consistent in general. And I think health is as much good nutrition and less screens as it is, having a strong relationship with loving people around you and getting enough sleep. You know, I kind of think of like the five pillars of health in terms of healthy eating and nutrition, like real food. I kind of always say sleep movement, right, which? Like movement and sleep are closely related to, like screens, relationships, connection, and then I kind of always include spirituality, that belief of purpose and source and what that comes from, not that there's any right answer to it. I don't believe that at all, just that, like having a piece of each of those is a part of what makes a healthy person. If that makes sense, it's true. It's not just diet. It's not just one thing. I once heard someone say that the goal for health is to be is to think about 80% 20% where you want to strive to be 80% quote, unquote, good, and then 20% you can fudge a little bit and have the unhealthy foods. So I like that because it offers some forgiveness that you don't have to be perfect, but if you just think about mostly getting there, you'll feel good, you'll get all the health benefits. And I think that's really the goal. I think so too. Or like my kids, my daughter will say, like, Bob, you hate sugar. And I'll be like, No, I do not hate sugar. I just want to make sure that you're getting your sugar from the desserts, like we make real brownies, we have real ice cream, like we eat the good stuff. But I'm like, I don't want you eating sugar, like dessert for breakfast, dessert for lunch, dessert for dinner, and then having dessert. It's true. It's really easy to let sugar, for example, get ahead of us, where we're having too much, and then taking a back step and trying to retrain ourselves is really hard, and I find what I've struggled with a mom is kind of, I don't want my kids to feel like they're on a diet or like I'm like, I'm giving them an eating disorder, right? Like, you hear all the kind of anti dieting kid stuff, but I think that's like a fear that a lot of Americans, myself included, kind of have. But then there's a huge gap between teaching them. Food is nutrition, food is energy. Food is like the fuel that like feeds the cells in your body. And it's like no one food is bad. But as humans, we have to think about what we put in our body, because that fuels our cells and helps us live our best, longest life. You know, I think that a lot of parents are worried that if we say no to our kids, that it will backlash, that the rebel later, that they're going to overdo sugar later on in life, because we were so restrictive. But I think if you approach it where you're educating them, where you're telling them that this is good for your body, this is good for your health, because I do think all of us really do want to be healthy. If you talk to your kids, they are motivated to take care of themselves. I think if you frame it in such a way that you're doing this for their health, so that they can be stronger, so that they can have more energy, so that they can do better in school and concentrate better, I do think that goes a long way. Okay, I hope so, right. You're always like, I mean, because my kids are little, so admittedly, I have not actually seen how it turns out, but we're forever just trying to, like, evaluate what's working, see what's not, that sort of thing. Like my nine year old came home from school. This was a couple weeks ago, but she's like, Mom, all my friends have really fun snacks, and I don't feel like I do, you know. And I was like, Okay, let's talk about that. So we talked through, kind of, like, what they all bring, you know, like, we made, like, a whole list of like, snacks that she wanted, and then we looked at the different nutritional aspects of them. And then she and I totally compromised and, like, added a couple of them in that she wanted. She opted to, like, leave the Oreos and candy out of it, which I was really proud of, because when we went through the nutritional aspects of it, she was like, Yeah, Mom, that's probably not going to be my best fuel. And then we still agreed to, like, keep some of the snacks that I love, which are, I mean, most of you do like, nuts, popcorn, fresh fruits and veg, you know, like, pretty classic, standard stuff that, like, we all know we should be eating all the time, but like, isn't the sexiest option, especially with the fact that we have so many Ultra processed foods. You know what I mean? So and I think you're not alone with the snack comparison. I think every mom has been there and we've been there. I remember as a kid being very envious of what other kids had in their lunch compared to what I had in my lunch. Had in my lunch. And it's okay, but I think you're right. The way I've approached that with my kids is we just talk about it. I say on Sunday, in particular, when I have time to shop for food, I say, What do you want in your lunch this week? And these are my constraints. You know, I you can have one treat and then the rest. I'd like to be I'd like to see a fruit. I'd like to see something that's healthy for your body, maybe something with protein. We talk about it so that it's about it so that it's a well balanced meal, and it's okay. I think it's just the way of parenting is that they're gonna compare us to others. I think that that that's just part of life. I think so too. And I would say to them, like, Hey, your mom's a pediatrician, so this is just some of your reality, because you got me as a mom, you know. And then I talk about, like, all the great things that I great things that I do, they're still little, so they kind of buy it, but, but to try to always have that conversation, and I use almost any part of it as, like, an educational opportunity, right? Because I think food and nutrition are interesting. Exercise is interesting, you know, like teaching her that, hey, running is hard. It is really hard. Like, but how good do you feel at the end? Like, have you ever noticed, like, how good your body feels and how good your mood is and how strong you feel? You know, because she said she, like, hated running, wouldn't do it, and they had to run the mile in PE she came home and was like, Mom, I do I feel so strong. And I'm like, Yes, Drew nobody loves running. I mean, sometimes you kind of do. But I'm like, I think the more we could just teach a just teach a little bit of that, right? And, like, empower them. You're being honest with her. Not everybody likes to exercise. Exercise is hard, but things that are hard, they're worth it. There's payoff at the end of it. So that's such a great example, noticing how you how that endorphin rush that you feel after exercise, what a great, what a great feeling to appreciate from a young age? Yeah. I mean, I think so we'll see. And you know, most of health happens in all the things outside of the office. I totally agree with that. My husband always says 99% of health he believes has nothing to do with going to the doctor. And at first I think, hey, wait a second, I'd like to think that we're making an impact, but he's right. I think, as you mentioned, the way you eat, the way you sleep, who you interact with, what's your work life is like, what's your what's your day to day stress level is like, all of that makes a big impact in your health. I think so too, and that's been a big part of my journey. I'm a type one diabetic as well, and so I was diagnosed from the age of five. I've had that kind of like disease all my life, but I I know when I go to the doctor that they like want my a 1c to be right, like in a certain age. But in order to implement that, my best likelihood of getting my a 1c in that range is to take care of all the things right. So if I'm sleeping well, if I'm moving my body, if I'm eating, well, if I feel good, my agency is magically always in the number, you know, and yes, I have to take my insulin, but so much of hitting that target is it's so much more than just my insulin. If you're not mentally well, you're not going to take good care of your diabetes. So I want to ask you, because I know, as you mentioned, you're very you're passionate about spreading tips about health and healthy living to families. Can you give us maybe three favorite pieces of advice that you'd like to share with families on how to get started? Okay, good idea. So I recommend that parents write down without changing a thing your daily habits or schedule. So you wake up at this time, the kids watch TV from this time to this time. Then you eat breakfast. What is breakfast normally? And kind of do that for, like, the whole day. Do do it over a couple days. To do a couple days of like, where your habits are, and you'll see the patterns. Of it, you know, like, oh yeah, we are kind of watching TV at this time, or we are eating mostly cereal for breakfast, or we go to the gas station after school and pick up a snack there. And then, from that kind of thinking of those five pillars of health, right? And then I recommend picking one thing to change and starting small. So if say you're gonna say, eat more fruits and vegetables, is like, always a great one. So I would say, then look at your daily habit list. Pick one meal or one snack to add a fruit or vegetable to pick one to change. You know what I mean, to just kind of start to move the needle. But then look over then a couple weeks and see, was it successful? Did it stick? Did it not Was it too hard, you know? And if that was good and it worked, then you pick one more thing, and if it wasn't good, then you kind of go back and say, okay, like fruits and veg for an after school snack. It's too big of a jump, like we're not there, you know. So maybe then you'd go from Cheetos to siette chips that are made with avocado oil and have some flavoring, but no artificial dyes. And that advice, I think, is really practical. I think when people have these huge, grandiose ideas, I'm going to cut out sugar completely. I'm going to wake up at 5am and we're going to have vegetables at every meal. It's just not sustainable. It's not practical. So I agree that having one small habit change. If you incorporate that into the day to day, and you keep adding on to that before you know it, you can really make some huge changes, huge, huge changes, and the goal is to to feel empowered and be successful. So it's like, if I wanted to run a marathon, I'm not just gonna go from like sitting on the couch to training for a marathon, right? Like you might buy tennis shoes and then start to wear them, and then you're starting to walk outside five minutes a day. Well, then you're setting yourself up for success, and that makes everybody feel good. Yes, yes. Do you have any goals right now that you're working on with your family? Oh, yeah for sure. Like when we anytime we eat out, it's like chicken strips and french fries, or like, cheeseburger and french fries. And so even if we're at a nicer restaurant, if there's, like, a kid meal, it's where we go, you know. And so I was talking about it the other day, but I'm like, I'd love to, like, explore that we order different things when we're eating out, because kind of my solution to that as a mom, which is going to sound maybe so controlling, but like, then I feel like the only thing I can control is that we just don't eat out that much. So that's kind of like one of ours that we're like working towards. At the moment, it is true that eating out, it's really hard to eat healthy out, because there's so much temptation. So I agree with you. It's harder to say no to dessert, it's harder to say no to the French fries, and you don't know what all the ingredients are in those foods when you eat out. So I do think eating at home, that's a good move well, and that's like, so some of our habit stacking has been like, eating more at home. And I've come up with, like, quick, easy things to make, because I don't always have time to cook. But yeah, I think just so much of our culture, and especially we live in the Midwest, so there's not a lot of organic things, or, yeah, and not even, like, it has to be organic, right? But like, we're kind of meat and potatoes, or meat and french fries, and so that just is some of where we are, you know, which I think will evolve as we're becoming more healthful as a society. It feels like, as a nation, we've kind of recognized like, hey, what we're doing isn't working. It is really hard. I think, I think we live in a world with so much temptation, and I wish I could say I had that. We all are born with fantastic willpower, but it's just not the reality. So I agree, if we can have foods around us that are healthier options to pick from that hopefully will make a difference. One, I just want to share one, one of my big tips that I have to do if, if I want our family to eat healthy, I have to make sure that I time to keep good food options in the refrigerator at home, because if I don't have good choices for them, then that's on me. So for example, my kids were snacking on leftover cake that was in the fridge. And I said, Wait, guys, that we haven't had dinner yet. What are you doing having cake? And they said, well, mommy, there's nothing, nothing to choose. There's nothing to eat. Tell me what else I should eat. And and they're right, like you really have to be prepared. And so I think about that a lot. Where I even for myself at work, I like to pack my lunch. I like to prepare ahead of time, and when I do that, I can feel the difference with the choices that I'm making for myself and for the kids in that tiny bit of prep. Or like, as an example, part of what I did when I was becoming more aware of like, health and food and things like that was like a pantry audit, right? So, like. Like just looking at what do I have around in our environment? Because I can't control all of American culture. I cannot control what happens when we're on a road trip unless I've packed all my snacks, right? But like, I can control to what you're saying, like, what's available here. And then for me, it's been like, a tiny bit of meal prep on the weekends goes a long, long way, and I can do that pretty quickly. And then we kind of, like, developed Monday night is salmon night, Tuesday night is fish taco night, Wednesday night is pasta night, Thursday night is burger night. So like, we kind of have our kid friendly, approved meals that then, like, grocery shopping is easier, and then I'll prep, like, once a month, protein balls and bubble bars and like, kind of some real food snacks to have in, like, the freezer or whatever, so that we've got that available. And just those little changes, I feel like the quality of what my kids are eating is significantly better. And then where do you do your shopping? I saw a really cool post that you had on Instagram about how you go about your shopping for your family. Can you describe that for everybody? Yeah, yeah. So I am very cost conscious and always really want to teach people that eating healthy doesn't have to be super expensive. So I go to Aldi, usually for where we live, highest quality ingredients, best best price. So we get, like, the weekly stuff from Aldi, and kind of have like a running list. And often we'll Instacart that like, Thank God for the people that work for Instacart. And then about once a month, sometimes every other week, depending on my schedule, I'll run to Costco and buy some of the bigger bulk stuff like to get, like, the nuts that I want, or the oatmeal, or some of their meat, like, we'll buy it, and the fish. I love the fish at Costco. I think it's great price, great quality. And then I also love and try to do whatever I can to go to the farmers market and have the kids come with me, you know, like, meet the farmers and see where it's locally sourced in Iowa, that's only like May through September, sometimes October like so it's kind of a short window that we can get fresh produce, but I love that. And then we'll try to, like, inspire try new things. Based on that, I really appreciate taking my kids to farmers markets. It's, it's a, it's a, definitely a happy place for me with my children, yeah, and kind of piggyback on to that the best way I have gotten my kids to try new things is I include them in the making of it. So, like, I just posted something today that was, like, my six year old and I having a conversation while we're making, like, a pasta primavera. That was the first time I'd ever made that. But I was like, We love pasta. We have all these veg we were out of salmon because I didn't grocery shop this week, you know? So, like, I was like, okay, what can I do with what I've got? And honestly, none of my kids loved it, but all of them ate it. I just think the more, the more they're involved. The same with, like, having a garden. I don't know if you've ever done that, but like, if you have time to grow anything with your kids, I promise they will eat it. I promise, like a kid could hate tomatoes, and if they grow cherry tomatoes with you, they will love them. It's universal. I swear. Yes, we, we've grown tomatoes before, and I found that that my kids do eat it when it's off our own vine the house that we have now my husband, it's a little bit of a it's a discussion right now, because my husband wants to, he started this big, big garden that's taking up a lot of our backyard space. We don't have a huge backyard, but he really wants to have a garden, because he says, and this is true, that the kids will get they're getting their hands in it. They're getting involved. And gardening is a healthy activity for the kids. So I do agree that as much as as much as I might not like the esthetics of how it looks right now, it is true that the more you involve your kids, they will eat the food that you grow. And even more than that, you're building memories together. What a healthy activity to garden together, to cook together. Kids remember the smells in the kitchen. They remember that time with you. It's, it's quality time, for sure. Yeah, that's a great way to look at it. And I think just to, like, teach and educate them, of like, Oh, these little seeds, like, grow into something. And then, like, we've had this discussion too, of like, where do you think they grew? Cheetos, you know? And then the girls were like, wow, that's a great question, you know, because you're just like, kind of trying to get them to recognize a little bit that ultra processed you don't. I mean, like, where what fruit are fruit loops from? You tell me, does anybody know, what are Froot Loops? What are pirates corn? Are they wheat? I actually don't know either. But some of that kind of stuff, we're like, we've gotten so far away from the source, so to bring a little bit of that back and just educate I think is cool. Now, there's a lot online right now. There's a lot of noise, especially I find on social media about the wellness space. Are there any points of contention that you have with this wellness movement? Do you think that there's any misinformation? Out there that you'd like to bring to light. I think there's a ton of misinformation. The current wellness movement is so well intended for the most part, right? But you have to recognize supplements are profitable, so if anyone is giving you advice, but then also pushing an item is kind of bullshit, right? Because you're like, that's also profitable. And just be careful, because the reason our food is so awful is because it's profitable, right, to make more and more products and get Americans to buy more and more and so, like, that's just a real a real thing to be aware of. As you said in the beginning, there's no easy solution to a healthy life. It's really the big picture items that make the biggest difference, and that's hard to do. Totally it is hard. It's just like, it's not easy. I'm trying to make it as easy as I can, but it's not and with regards to supplements, I don't think, in all honesty, there's much harm to most supplements, but at the same time, do I think they're doing a whole lot? No, I don't unless a kid is truly deficient in something, you know, unless they're found to be low in iron or found to be low in vitamin D. Okay, that makes sense. Then, you know, to advise a supplement. But do I give my kids vitamins? No, I much prefer them getting vitamins from the real food, getting the vitamin D from being outside. We have the luxury of being in Southern California. We have no excuse not to get our kids outside most days of the year. And then, on top of it all, when it comes to multi vitamins, there's never been a study that I'm aware of with children or even adults that have shown an improvement in any outcome. Do kids get fewer colds? No. Do kids live longer? No. Do they grow taller? Do they have higher IQs? Do they sleep better? Any measurable outcome that we're looking for we've never found? Yeah, so I agree with you. I agree with you that it's fine to give a kid a vitamin, but I don't think that's really where the crux of health is coming from for your children. Yeah, I think I agree with that. And I think as a parent, kind of one of the other things you said that I think is so important, or that I feel like I want every parent to know, but that, if you say as an example, you're a family that does choose to not vaccinate right, like I I want them still to feel heard and understood and not judged for that, because I understand each family protects their own children as best they can, and I just want to empower them with as much knowledge education as I can. And I think that's some of where that gets lost, also, because people don't feel heard, and then they feel judged or like they can't even discuss vaccines with their physician or whoever they see, you know, and I just want to discuss it all and help you feel confident. As a parent, I'm sympathetic to parents, because I know there's a lot of noise out there, and it's the normal, natural instinct for parents to want to protect their children and give them the best health care possible. So I do agree as physicians, we should let them ask those questions in a non judgmental safe space. I want to know their questions, and I want to make sure they feel comfortable that it's that it is a good thing for their child's health and keeping them safe and protected. Yeah. And I'll always say, like, technically, as pediatricians, right? We're medical doctors and then also kind of an expert in our field. But I try to empower every parent to be like, but you're the expert for your child, so like, I will listen, and I want to know what you think, because I may do a better job if I get my information by listening really well to you, we're here to help parents and be on their team. And that's really, that's really the role that we want to play, if each parent, if each family can just live in what they're doing and like, listen to their own intuition, and keep just making culturally appropriate healthy shifts without all the fear, without all the shame, without all of the like, having someone tell you exactly what to do, that's where the wellness is found. Just keep making those little tweaks within your own environment, and it will work out. Which I know sounds so cliche, but I really, I really believe that I love that trust your gut. I believe that as well. All right, so I want to try something a little different. I thought it'd be fun for my listeners to get to know you a little bit better by asking some lightning round questions. Now, Padgett has not heard these questions, so I'm just going to ask you some questions, and if you don't mind just firing off your answers. Okay, you ready? Yes, all right, coffee or tea to help you get through. Okay? Coffee, that was fast. Always. Tea at night when I can't handle the caffeine. Favorite, go to healthy snack for your kids when you're on the run. Oh, dried mango. Most overhyped wellness trend in 2025 so many. All I can think of now is the colostrum powder. Because I'm like, God, they must be making a ton of money getting people to eat that. And I just, I think it's overhyped. I have no idea what the problem. Says even are. But I'm gonna say that one one parenting book or podcast that you would love to recommend, one of my very favorite parenting books that probably all of you have heard about, Dr Becky, good inside. But the other one I think parents don't think about as much is Carol Dweck growth mindset. I think life changing more of like an adult psychology book, but I think more we can teach that to our kids, the better they'll be. What's your guilty pleasure? After a long day, this is so embarrassing. So I hardly watch any TV. But for whatever reason, the Kardashians, I will watch. I will like it is mindless, and I do not know why I like it, but I think I'm just like fascinated by the level of wealth. And so occasionally I will watch that if you had a giant billboard in every pediatrician's office, what would it say you are enough One Health habit that you think is underrated but super effective, sleep. Amen to that. I agree with you your kid's favorite meal that also makes you feel like you're winning at parenting salmon. Well, it's not their favorite, but I feel like such a like hero that I've actually gotten them to eat salmon. You guys, that's been like a four year journey, just, you know, like four years of like consistently offering and we call it salmon ice cream night, because initially it was such a riot in my house that they had to eat fish, we had to offer ice cream. So it's a total mob win, and I feel like a rock star every time I do it. And last question for you, what's bringing you joy lately, personally or professionally, doing this, I feel like it's kind of solving a little tiny bit of the moral injury I had, of, like, being in the office, but feeling like I wasn't doing enough. And so the more I've, like, found my voice and put it out there, I feel so good. I mean, I'm gonna be on like, CLOUD NINE after we do this, even if it doesn't get published, I'll be like, I did it, and maybe it'll help one person, and that is all I want to do. Well. Thank you so much. Dr panchit skogman, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. Your energy, your your enthusiasm, it's all palpable. Thank you for coming on. Your child is normal. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Thank you for listening, and I hope you enjoyed this week's episode of your child is normal. Also, if you could take a moment and leave a five star review, wherever it is you listen to podcasts, I would greatly appreciate it. It really makes a difference to help this podcast grow. You can also follow me on Instagram at ask Dr Jessica. See you next Monday. You.