Ep 246: Healthy Kids Without the Overwhelm: Small Changes That Actually Stick with pediatric health coach Arielle Levi, PhD

Parents today have access to more health information than ever—but does more information actually make it easier to raise healthy kids?

In this episode of Your Child Is Normal, Dr. Jessica Hochman talks with Arielle Levi, pediatric health coach and co-founder of the Pediatric Health Coach Academy, about helping families turn health advice into realistic, sustainable habits.

They discuss what pediatric health coaching is, how it differs from the roles of pediatricians, dietitians, and therapists, and why simply telling families what they “should” do often isn't enough.

Jessica and Arielle also work through real-life parenting challenges, including picky eating, concerns about weight, relying on takeout, wanting to cook more at home, and helping kids develop healthier habits without creating guilt or perfectionism around food.

Most importantly, they discuss stepping back from the endless stream of parenting advice and focusing instead on the bigger picture: raising children who feel healthy, confident, connected, and capable of making choices that work for them.

Learn more about Arielle and the Pediatric Health Coach Academy:
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Visit the website for the coach directory or email:
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Link for Pediatric Health Coaching Skills Certificate

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Welcome back to Your Child as Normal. I'm your host, Dr. Jessica Hochman. So as parents, we are surrounded all the time by advice about how to raise healthy kids. We're given advice on what they should eat, how much they should exercise, how much screen time they should have, and honestly, it can be overwhelming. And the truth is, most of us don't need more information. What we need is help figuring out what actually works for our own families. Today, I'm talking with Ariel Levy, co-founder of the Pediatric Health Coach Academy, and we talk about what pediatric health coaching is and how it can help families turn good intentions into realistic, lasting habits. We talk about how pediatric health coaches can help support families struggling with things like picky eating, family meals, exercise, and guilt around food, and why small changes often work better than trying to change everything at once. I especially loved Ariel's emphasis on looking at the whole child when we think about health. How our children are thriving physically, emotionally, and socially matters so much more than any single number on a scale. I hope you enjoy this conversation with Ariel Levy. And before we get started, as a quick reminder, if you are enjoying your child is normal, I would be so appreciative if you would take a moment to leave a review. It really does help more people find the podcast. Okay, now let's get started. Arielle, thank you so much for being here. I am so excited to learn from you. Oh, thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited to talk with you. So you are a pediatric health coach, and I know you co-founded your own company. Can you explain to people and myself what exactly is a pediatric health coach? So, pediatric health coaching is this collaborative partnership between the coach and the child and the parents or the caregiver to make sustainable behavior changes that can improve health and well-being. So, coaches aren't really telling families what to do. They're helping them identify what's getting in the way, help them build confidence and self-efficacy, develop practical skills, and create realistic plans that can fit in their lives, which is going to look very different for each person. So, we're combining evidence-based behavior change science with child development and family systems. We're using some motivational interviewing and different coaching strategies that help families make these changes that can actually last. So not just surface changes or oh I'm going to do this this week and then never do it again, but things that last over time. And what's really great is that coaches can work within the existing systems, so you know if you have a child that's told that they have pre-diabetes, they can work with the doctor or with the nutritionist, and everyone's going to play this different role. But the coach can really understand the child and help them improve their eating habits, help them exercise more, but through different ways than what we're traditionally seeing in medicine or in therapy. So what you're describing sounds amazing, and I really want to understand it completely because, as a pediatrician, I talk to so many parents and families that are frustrated because their kids don't have the best eating habits, or they are not exercising the way that they would like, and they have a hard time implementing changes. And as you mentioned, there are therapists that exist. There are nutritionists that exist. How is a pediatric health coach different from seeing a pediatrician, a therapist, or a nutritionist? What void do they fill that doesn't exist already? So you know, all of the professions that you mentioned, they're all playing an important role, and they're all doing different things. So pediatricians are diagnosing. They're treating medical conditions. They're providing medical guidance, and then dietitians-they're experts in nutrition. They're experts at helping people follow certain micro and macronutrients, getting specific numbers so that they can meet clinical needs. And therapists-they're addressing mental health concerns and psychological disorders. It's not exclusive, but therapists are often working in the past, like what happened in your past that is making you are the way you are now. Whereas coaching is very future focused. It's very much okay. This is where you are. This is what we're working with. How are we going to get you from where you are now to where it is that you want to go? Let's visualize what your best life is going to look like, and let's take the tiny steps that are needed each day to help you get there, and really breaking it down in a very practical way. And of course, there's going to be challenges that come up as you're in the pursuit of those goals, and so the coach can help you work through those challenges as they're coming up, so that you don't fall into the self-sabotage pit. So the pediatric coach is really focusing and helping families bridge that gap between what they're doing and what they want to do, or between their understanding and action. So we spend a lot of time exploring motivation and navigating barriers and improving communication, we help build routines, and we build a lot of empathy because through that empathetic process, kids and adults just feel seen and heard more. And once they have that space, they can actually move through the blockages that were typically keeping them from not being able to move forward. So I'm still. To understand, so for a pediatrician like myself, we can guide families and give them advice. But it's true we don't have the time to really sit with somebody one on one and spend the time that they would actually need to make changes. I can admit that. I can see that absolutely. And then a dietitian, yes, they can provide dietary advice, which is great. And a therapist, yes, you can delve into the past and feelings, and and working on tools. But I can see how, for so many things in life, I feel like having a coach is useful-someone to look to the future, someone to be by your side to advocate for you. So it's making sense that a pediatric health coach can really fit a niche. Don't you wish you had one when you were a kid? Yeah, I mean, I'm thinking I wish I had one right now. Well, that could happen. Yeah, true. And also think about how many people, including yourself or myself, where we have sub subclinical issues. Like we don't feel like the need that we need to go see a therapist, or I don't need to get like that level of professional guidance. So, coaches can work with just helping kids use a growth mindset, helping them build habits that build that resilience and self-efficacy. And you know, I always say parents can try and do that work at home, and it's great that parents are attempting, or if they're doing that, that's amazing. But often kids will hear their coach differently than they hear their parent. It's just the nature of the child-parent relationship. And also, if you're a parent who you just don't have confidence around how my child should be eating, it's going to be even harder to get the child to listen to you as a parent. Coaches can make it fun and they can make it come from a different perspective, and we all kind of know what to eat, but we're not doing it. So why why is that? Let's break through that barrier finally and let's stop piling on information for people. People do not need more information. They need to know how to work with their specific circumstances to overcome the challenges that are keeping them from eating or exercising or doing the things that they know that they should be doing. I love that, especially we live in this age of information overload, and I think more information. You're exactly right. Is not actually what we need to move the needle. No, no, we're in the too much information age. So tell me, what kind of families usually come to see you? Yeah. So I just want to clarify that at the Pediatric Health Coach Academy, what we realized is that coaching works, but there's not enough people that are appropriately trained to deliver the care that's needed for true habit and mindset changes to happen. So we're focused on training new coaches to become board certified, and we're also upskilling doctors, nurses, social workers, teachers, educators, community health workers-you name it. Anyone who's already interacting with children and families to gain those skills to be able to work with kids, teens, and families. I'd say a big thing that parents come to coaching for is because there's a lot of issues. They're struggling with picky eating. They're seeing emotional eating happening. They don't have any control over screen time. Their kids aren't getting enough sleep. There's some sort of family conflict around food. Maybe there's ADHD-related routine issues. We also see confidence and stress, or some families who just want to work on some type of prevention. So they realize that their child or the family isn't terribly unhealthy yet, but they can see that it's headed in the wrong direction. So the coach is really there, not to just tell them to eat more broccoli, but to help them broaden the understanding of themselves, because we take this whole person approach. So when you're working practically with a kid, their issue that day might not be, oh, my mom wants me to eat more broccoli. Their issue might be someone was really mean to me at school, and that makes me feel really sad. And so, helping coach through that can actually eventually bring it back to how do we get more broccoli to be healthier and increase confidence and self-efficacy, and recognize that I have agency and it's actually fun and delicious to eat broccoli. The whole thing is interconnected. So it sounds to me like the role of a pediatric health coach is to meet a family and meet a child where they're at, find out what their goals are, and help them work towards those goals. Is that correct? Absolutely. And it gets really fun when the parent has one goal in mind for their child, and the child has a different goal in mind. So you want to have a skilled coach who can acknowledge both parties' interests and be able to mediate between the two and help both the parent and the child get what they want? And just to clarify for myself, Arielle, you're not a pediatric health coach. You are training people to be pediatric health coaches. Is that correct? Yeah, I mean, I do have my own clients. I am a pediatric health coach, but now what we're doing is training coaches to be able to deliver this work. But if parents went through this training, they would have a totally different perspective and a totally different approach to how they interacted with their children. And just the coach training alone could deliver so much support to parents. Parents are busy and they're overwhelmed, and they don't necessarily. Really have the confidence in themselves to be able to navigate the issues that are coming up with our children and their health today. So parents, I think, are just being bombarded with so much information all the time, and everyone is dealing with unique issues and unique circumstances. Being able to have techniques that meet each person where they're at is, in my opinion, a much more productive way than scrolling, reading like three sentences on social media. And again, we're not looking to give advice. We're looking to coach the person, not just the circumstance, so that means helping our kids leverage their own wisdom. It means leveraging our wisdom as parents to build confidence in everyone's decisions and develop practical solutions that make sense for each unique person. I completely agree with what you're saying, and when you talk about how parents feel overwhelmed today, and we're so busy today, and where we're getting our information is from a few sentences on social media. I completely agree, and I think it's so overwhelming. Do you give your kids protein? Do you give your kids juice? Is it bad to give them snacks? Is it good to give them snacks? Do you give them macros? Do you give them micros? Do you give them organic? Do you avoid microplastics? I mean, the endless amount of advice, I feel like it's too much. And if you really take it all in, you're going to feel like you're making mistakes all the time. And there are so many ways to eat well. There are so many ways to live your life in a healthy way. And I think because our health advice now is so microscopic, I think it's so easy to think that we're doing it wrong all the time. When in reality, nobody's perfect. And what seems so appealing to me about a health coach is that you're not giving advice all the time. I like that you can step back and look at the bigger picture and see what people actually are looking for. Yeah, and what I've found in working with parents who you know feel overwhelmed, there's so much information and it's so micro. I have a feeling you know exactly what's right for you and your family, and with the right questions and just the space to be able to explore what it is that you know is right for you and your family, you already have those answers inside of you. They just need to be teased out a little bit. You also mentioned that receiving health coaching is evidence based. Can you explain that more? Where have you found? In what way has the evidence shown pediatric health coaching or health coaching to be helpful? Yeah, so health coaching has a rather large body of research behind it. There's a particular publication called the Compendium for Health and Wellness Coaching, and that was published by researchers at Harvard, and it goes through a bunch of different chronic illnesses. The literature shows how health coaching supports those conditions like diabetes, cardiovascular disease, anxiety, depression, obesity, any of those lifestyle diseases, and then pediatric health coaching has some research. We're working on some at the Pediatric Health Coach Academy. We've partnered with UNC Chapel Hill's Public Health Department, and we're conducting a study right now, which will hopefully be published in 2027. In addition to that, health coaching in itself is its own discipline. So we're using evidence-based tools that you find in other places, like cognitive behavioral therapy, mindfulness, positive psychology, motivational interviewing. We incorporate some Jungian psychology, so there's a lot of different modalities that are out in the field that kind of all come together to make coaching its own unique approach to behavior change and mindset change. I'm just thinking we're a society that thinks about health all the time, but I think we can get lost in the weeds, and I'm curious when you think of a healthy child or a healthy family, what matters the most, in your opinion? So, when I think about a healthy child, the first thing I'm actually not immediately going to think about is their weight or even their nutrition. I want to think about a kid who's thriving physically, emotionally, and socially, and a child who has energy to play and wants to explore hobbies and is interested and passionate about something, and one who feels safe and connected and feels understood by the adults around them, they're going to be more confident. They're going to care more about themselves, which is we want them to care about themselves. And also, when I'm thinking about what is the most healthy kid, they're not even perfect. It has nothing to do with perfection. It's just about them having a foundation for lifelong well-being. I am such a big-picture person, so I love that you say that. That advice really resonates with me. Something that I think about as a pediatrician, we're often given advice on how to make our 15-minute visits worth it and worthwhile for families, and so one mnemonic that we've been taught is if we want to talk about health goals with families when they come in seeking our advice, is the 5210. We're supposed to say five eat at least five servings of fruits and vegetables a day, to try to. Have two hours or less of screen time. One get at least one hour physical activity, and zero is zero sugar sweetened beverages. And it's simple, and parents like a mnemonic, but I don't know how effective it actually is because I don't know to your point what somebody's struggling with at home. You know, they may be a great baseball player or really active all the time, and that one hour of exercise isn't the issue. It might be something totally different, and I like that I can give some actionable advice quickly, but at the same time, I'm not sure how much of a difference it actually makes, and so it feels like I'm not actually asking the family where their issues lie and helping them achieve those goals, and I feel like a pediatric health coach is doing just that. Yeah, you nailed it. By the way, I love that. I think it's a great concept, but it's like, okay, how are you going to get there? Do you find that small habits can add up to making a big impact? Oh, absolutely. That's the only way to do it. We have to start with small habits. You know, I think the most important habit is cooking. But I think for some people that sounds really overwhelming. Telling people go home and cook if they have no cooking skills, if they can't figure out time to get to the grocery store, if they don't know what to cook-that's very overwhelming. But we can break that down into very, very small habits. Like, okay, where in your week can you get to the grocery store? Okay, when can you look for two to three recipes that look interesting to you? And each of those become the weekly goals with the health coach. And that might sound very silly and sounds like it moves very slow, but you're going to get a lot farther approaching it this way than just beating yourself up every week. Oh, my doctor told me I need to cook, and I'm not cooking. Arielle, I think we do need a pediatric health coach in our family. My kids have been telling me recently that they want to start cooking more in our house, so maybe this is the way to make it happen. I'm here, available for you. This is why we were meant to talk. You're my motivation, my coach. What do they want to cook? What do they want to cook? I think the truth is just because they have two parents, you know, two professional parents. So unfortunately, cooking gets put by the wayside. But that's definitely something that we all agree we want to do more of. So amazing! I'll be reaching out to you. Oh, great! Well, something that I we work on a lot with people who come to us is batch cooking. Have you are you familiar with this term? If I could guess, it would sound like cooking ahead of time or preparing food ahead of time. Yeah, not just one meal, but maybe a week's worth of food. So I go to Costco and I buy-I don't know-it's three pounds of flap steak, and I grill it, and I undercook it a little bit, and I slice it, and then every day of the week that I want to serve my kids' steak, I just heat it on the pan and serve it with some cucumbers, and they have dinner. And it's very quick and it's very easy. And you can batch cook vegetables too. It's great to just take out a big pan and roast a bunch of vegetables with olive oil and salt because then you can throw it in salads. You can serve it as a side. You can put it in eggs. There's just so many ways to use these ingredients that you've cooked ahead of time in bulk. Thank you, Arielle. These tips are definitely helpful. I'm going to implement them, and especially because you use the word Costco. That's really my love language. I mean, we are we speak the same love language. So I thought it would be helpful to throw out some real life scenarios just to deepen our understanding of what a health coach can do and what role they can play in a family's life, is that okay with you? Yeah. All right. So these are some scenarios that come up a lot in work, and so I would love to hear your advice. The first one

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let's say there's a 10-year-old that's gaining weight, and the parents notice that they're gaining weight and they want to make changes, but they have no idea where to start. So, what would your first step be? Yeah. So the conversation is going to look different depending on the kid and what the situation is. I would first tell the parents there's no need to panic. This is fixable. We can work on this, and we can change habits. So just to ease them out of this fear or concern that their kids gonna keep gaining weight, and in fact, holding the weight might actually just be the right goal. And then I would also ask the parents a lot of questions. I'm not actually gonna give a ton of advice. I want to find out what are the family eating habits, what's the family's relationships with food, what do meals look like, what's their goal, what's their ideal scenario for their family, and go from there, and find out what's important to them. And then I would also, of course, want to speak with the child because if you have a child who's completely uninterested in changing some of their habits to have a healthier weight, then we're going to have to take a different approach and kind of go through the back door. And maybe we're not going to focus just on weight, right at the beginning, in working directly with the child. Of course, working with the parent on the back end, you know, we can change the foods that are being served. We can talk about replacing red light snacks with green and yellow light snacks. It's going to be a process. It's not going to be a one visit solution. I like that. I think it's always good. To remind families not to panic, nothing is forever, and we can change course. And then I think that makes sense to ask the family and the child what their habits are and figure out where you can best serve them. Yeah. Now this scenario comes up daily in my practice, talking about a child who's a picky eater. So yeah, let's say a child has a very, very narrow palate. They're only eating thino nuggies, mac and cheese, butter noodle pasta, slices of apples, and an occasional grape. And this is causing so much stress for the family that every meal turns into a battle, into a fight. What would you tell those parents? So first, I'm going to tell the parent, this is so common. This happens a lot, and this is not a fixed situation. And actually, five foods is pretty good. I've seen kids that are not eating five foods, so let's congratulate where we're already at. But we're gonna want to take all the pressure off of mealtime because we want the child to feel safe exploring their food, not feel like it's being forced. And the more that we can make it fun, the better. So I'm always going to encourage families to keep serving the foods, even if their child is resistant to it. I was actually listening to your podcast with the historian yesterday, and I loved what she said because we've always said a child needs to be exposed to a food between 10 to 15 times before they can truly understand if they like it or not, and she said, actually, maybe it's more. So maybe it's more times than that. Just keep serving it without putting too much pressure. I would encourage the child to take a bite or two bites, and I even think giving the new foods alongside the foods that they already like, so that there's an association with something that they already enjoy is another helpful way to approach that, but a lot of the advice would be patience and keep holding the line, keep putting the foods out, and don't back away from it. That sounds like very sound advice. What I've noticed is that the older kids or the teens who come for picky eating, they actually don't want to be picky eaters. They want to have an expanded palate. Usually, that starts coming up when there's some sort of social pressure. Teens who start to have romantic interests, they want to have different food choices. Or I also see feeling embarrassed that they'll only be able to eat a bagel when their friends are eating lots of different types of foods from different countries, and they feel embarrassed around that, and they want to change that. So, I think the picky eating when they're little is where the parents really need to be more involved and just keep serving those foods over and over. But the older the kids get, the more they actually have their own internal drive to become less picky eaters. I think it's true. A little bit of social pressure isn't always a bad thing. I'm remembering when I was in high school. The very first time I tried eggplant, a food that I refused to try at home, was because my friend Jason's mom made it at lunch. I went to their house for lunchtime, and she cooked it in such a way. And you know, I remember she fried it on the stove, and it looked good, and everybody else was eating it. So I tried it, and ever since then, I've continued to like eggplant. So from my own personal experience, I can remember that definitely helped expand my palate. Yeah, great social pressure for the win. The win. All right, here's one that may or not be personal for me, but here we go. Let's say both parents work full time. Dinners often takeout. Everyone's too tired to cook, and parents feel guilty about this and they want to cook more. So where should we start? So I'm going to just ask you personally: What are you currently doing to do any sort of cooking at home or food preparation at home? We're really fortunate. My mother-in-law lives nine doors down, so my kids get home-cooked meals a few days a week at her house, and then I would say the other days we might go out to eat. I might get prepared foods at the local grocery store. You know, I will make simple meals. So we'll scramble some eggs. I'll make sandwiches. I made hamburgers last week, but nothing fancy. Okay, so it sounds like you actually are already doing some cooking. You're scrambling eggs. You're making hamburgers. That's not nothing. Thanks, Jacob. You're reliving my guilt. Amazing. So you're cooking a couple things a couple times a week, and your mother-in-law is also making some meals. So from where you are now, what's the ideal scenario in one or two weeks? Like, how many more meals would be home cooked? What would look different? I think I love to cook two meals at home. My mom used to cook dinner every night, and I have really nice memories of foods that she cooks, certain smells that take me back to having nice family time. And I just want that for my kids. I want them to smell something in the air and know mom's cooked dinner, and we're going to build nice memories. So I think that's what it's about for me. Is I want to make sure not just that they're eating healthy, but that I'm building a home environment that they want to come back to, and that even when they're grown adults, they want to come home to our house to eat together. Wow, that's so beautiful! You're already coaching yourself. You've already discovered your why. It's so important for you to have home cooked meals because you want to create memories so that your children want to come back home. Because they remember the smells and the feeling of having a family meal. That's it. That's really beautiful. Great. Okay. So, what's something you can do between now and next week that could help get a home cooked meal? So, I think your advice is great. I'll look up a couple recipes with my kids, see what sounds interesting to them, make sure it's not too overwhelming and too difficult for me. Maybe maybe we'll go to Costco together, do some batch cooking, and make a meal happen. I also just want to encourage you to also work backwards. Like you could go to the grocery store or Costco and see what looks good, and then come home and make the recipe. I coached a woman one time. She lost 40 pounds working with me, and the part that she had been stuck on with the cooking was she thought she had to get recipes and then go shopping for the recipes and was keeping her stuck, and instead she's like on Sundays I have an hour to get to the grocery store, so she just started going to the grocery store, buying whatever looked good, and then coming home and figuring out what to make. I love it. It sounds like in that scenario, Coach was perfect for her because you were meeting her where she's at. Okay, another scenario that comes up a lot is when I talk to families about their nutritional goals. They say they know what they should be doing. They know that it's important to not have snacks all the time. They know that chips aren't ideal every day as a snack. They know they should be having fewer goldfish or ice cream or fast food or whatever it is, but they don't know how to actually implement lasting change. So, how do you help families create change that actually lasts? So, there's several pieces to that answer. So, number one, connecting to the deeper meanings, like connecting to the why, like I just did with you with cooking, right? You could tell yourself all day, "Oh, I should have more home cooked meals, but now that you've identified that you want to have a home where your children want to come back to, how does that feel compared to oh, I need to get more home cooked meals on the table? It's a different feeling and it's a different motivation when it's about something deeper for yourself. So when you can anchor someone's desired behaviors to a deeper meaning. They're going to have more motivation over time. I think it's really smart to think about finding your why, because or else you're going to make the changes for a week or two, and what's going to sustain you, what's going to keep you going. So that's right. And the why can't be oh I want to lose weight. That's just it's not meaningful to the human brain. Oh I want to lose weight. Number two, the nature of meeting with a coach every week means that you have accountability built in. So if you have a goal of being able to grab a hard-boiled egg instead of eating a bag of chips, and you're not meeting that goal, then you can actually come back to your coaching session with your coach and work through what came up? Was it something physical in the environment? Was it that you weren't prepared? Was there something going on in your mindset that kept you from believing that you could actually do it? Your coach is going to start prodding into what's going on. Why isn't the goal being met? You keep saying you want to do it, but it's not happening. Should we explore what's happening? So the coach can actually help you work through all those different levels of challenges, which is very different from just saying to yourself, "I should eat the chips instead of the egg, and then you just don't do it. All right, a few more quick questions. Are you ready? Ready. If I were to ask you, what is one healthy habit that almost every family could start this week? What would you say it should be? Start cooking and go outside. If I were to also ask you, what is something that parents should stop feeling guilty about? Because I find that so many parents are ridden with guilt. Stop feeling guilty. Right. I think replace your guilt with self-compassion, and you're going to get a lot farther. What is one piece of advice that you find yourself giving over and over again to coaches and families that you work with? Be very curious. I want coaches to talk less and listen more, and ask really powerful, meaningful questions. One parenting habit that you wish every family prioritized

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family meals together, cooking together. What do you think is the most underrated part of child health? Going outside. I agree. Get outside. Everything better happens when kids spend more time outside. Do you think parents should ever use the word diet when it comes to their children's health, no, never. Do not use the word diet. Let's talk about foods that help us grow, foods that help us feel good, foods that don't make us feel good. Let's not say diet. That doesn't help anybody. For you, what is your favorite easy, healthy snack to give your kids? String cheese and apple slices. I like string cheese and apple slices. That sounds delicious. So easy. So now tell me if families are listening and they'd like the services of a pediatric health coach. Where can they find you? Tell me what can you offer them. Yeah. So we have coach training. Coming up in October, it's a 20-week program that makes you eligible to become a nationally board-certified health coach. It's a really amazing program because not only you learning how to be the best coach, you are discovering your own self, and you're doing a lot of practice. And so, by the time that you've gone through the program, you know exactly what a child or a parent is going to go through because you've gone through it yourself, and then we also have an asynchronous program that we are just launching now, and this is basically an adapted version of that big 20-week live program. This is completely self-paced. It's about 35 hours. If you're already a board-certified coach, then you can get 25 continuing education units from it. But it's also designed to upskill healthcare professionals, so professionals who want to bring this work into their workplace. So whether it's in the clinic or in the school or in a community setting, and that will also equip you with the skills and confidence to be able to work with kids, teens, and families. And what about for people listening that want a health coach for their own family? Can they also reach out to you? Yeah, you can go to pediatrichealthcoaching.com, and we will have a directory of health coaches, and you'll be able to find a coach. If you go to our website and don't see the directory, you can always email us at info@pediatrichealthcoaching.com, and we'll connect you with graduates of the program. Well, Ariel, thank you so much. I know there are so many families out there that are looking for guidance and they don't know where to turn to. So I think knowing that pediatric health coaching exists is really a plus. So thank you so much for spreading the word, and thank you so much for doing the work that you're doing. I know you're going to make a big difference in a lot of families' lives. Thank you so much for supporting this work. We need more pediatricians like you that see the value, and I really appreciate you. I'm going to put all your information in the show notes below, so definitely take a look if you are interested in connecting with pediatric health coach. Great. Hope to see people in class in October. Thank you for listening, and I hope you enjoyed this week's episode of Your Child Is Normal. Also, if you could take a moment and leave a five-star review wherever it is you listen to podcasts, I would greatly appreciate it. It really makes a difference to help this podcast grow. You can also follow me on Instagram at Ask Dr. Jessica.