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Good."},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":2358.24,"endTime":2363.76,"body":"Yeah. This year, of course."},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":2364.33,"endTime":2364.9,"body":"Thank you."}]}