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And I set this time for"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":977.7,"endTime":981.39,"body":"that I'm to just as a human"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":977.7,"endTime":981.39,"body":"being I've embraced this about"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":981.39,"endTime":985.5,"body":"myself, I have a very abstract"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":981.39,"endTime":985.5,"body":"relationship with time, I'm not"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":985.5,"endTime":989.91,"body":"good at budgeting it. I just"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":985.5,"endTime":989.91,"body":"want to do everything I can to"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":989.91,"endTime":994.35,"body":"make it a priority, prioritize"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":989.91,"endTime":994.35,"body":"painting above all else. 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What"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":1035.48,"endTime":1039.92,"body":"tips do you have, you know, for"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":1035.48,"endTime":1039.92,"body":"someone shy, or someone who you"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":1039.92,"endTime":1042.89,"body":"know, they don't know how to"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":1039.92,"endTime":1042.89,"body":"talk to a prospective buyer?"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":1043.16,"endTime":1045.02,"body":"What do you recommend?"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":1045.619,"endTime":1049.069,"body":"Yeah, so I"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":1045.619,"endTime":1049.069,"body":"surprising little fact about me"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":1049.069,"endTime":1055.699,"body":"is I am inherently shy. 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So my artists pages."},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":2740.71,"endTime":2744.67,"body":"We still have offski artist. I"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":2740.71,"endTime":2744.67,"body":"do have a tick tock. It's very"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":2744.67,"endTime":2748.12,"body":"rare. I just had a meeting with"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":2744.67,"endTime":2748.12,"body":"friends up here in Newfoundland"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":2748.12,"endTime":2749.77,"body":"and like he got into Tic Tac Toe"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":2748.12,"endTime":2749.77,"body":"every now and then I'll have"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":2749.77,"endTime":2752.95,"body":"like a burst of TiC tock so that"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":2749.77,"endTime":2752.95,"body":"might be coming soon. That's"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":2752.95,"endTime":2756.7,"body":"also Lisa underscore Lebowski."},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":2752.95,"endTime":2756.7,"body":"And that's about it, I think on"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":2756.7,"endTime":2759.76,"body":"social media. And then my"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":2756.7,"endTime":2759.76,"body":"website, and I think the"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":2759.76,"endTime":2762.13,"body":"rest of your"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":2759.76,"endTime":2762.13,"body":"links, they're all on your"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":2762.13,"endTime":2766.0,"body":"Instagram, you have a link tree,"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":2762.13,"endTime":2766.0,"body":"which is really convenient. And"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":2766.0,"endTime":2769.0,"body":"it has everything there, which I"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":2766.0,"endTime":2769.0,"body":"will include in the show notes"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":2769.0,"endTime":2769.63,"body":"as well."},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":2770.62,"endTime":2772.48,"body":"And it goes to"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":2770.62,"endTime":2772.48,"body":"the different galleries and what"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":2772.48,"endTime":2774.85,"body":"works they have so you know"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":2772.48,"endTime":2774.85,"body":"exactly where to find my stuff."},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":2775.36,"endTime":2775.93,"body":"Yes."},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":2776.23,"endTime":2777.85,"body":"Thank you so"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":2776.23,"endTime":2777.85,"body":"much, Lisa."},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":2777.88,"endTime":2779.56,"body":"Thank you. Thank"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":2777.88,"endTime":2779.56,"body":"you for having me. Of"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":2779.56,"endTime":2782.8,"body":"course."},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":2779.56,"endTime":2782.8,"body":"Always and maybe who knows. I'll"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":2782.8,"endTime":2785.92,"body":"have you on the pod next year"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":2782.8,"endTime":2785.92,"body":"and then you can tell me about"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":2785.92,"endTime":2786.94,"body":"the crazy adventures."},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":2788.2,"endTime":2790.69,"body":"Hopefully it's"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":2788.2,"endTime":2790.69,"body":"all it's all just it's all fog"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":2790.69,"endTime":2795.28,"body":"right now. We don't know what's"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":2790.69,"endTime":2795.28,"body":"exactly going to surface so keep"},{"speaker":"Lisa Lebofsky","startTime":2795.46,"endTime":2797.56,"body":"keep the standby and let's see."},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":2798.31,"endTime":2800.23,"body":"Yeah, stay"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":2798.31,"endTime":2800.23,"body":"tuned, guys."}]}