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Like, you know, I"},{"speaker":"Kai Lun Qu","startTime":1985.91,"endTime":1990.77,"body":"was like Uber hiring like, can I"},{"speaker":"Kai Lun Qu","startTime":1990.77,"endTime":1993.56,"body":"just drive for Uber? Like, I"},{"speaker":"Kai Lun Qu","startTime":1990.77,"endTime":1993.56,"body":"don't I don't want to, you know."},{"speaker":"Kai Lun Qu","startTime":1994.43,"endTime":1997.94,"body":"So then I went, it was like my"},{"speaker":"Kai Lun Qu","startTime":1994.43,"endTime":1997.94,"body":"most depressing state. I think I"},{"speaker":"Kai Lun Qu","startTime":1997.94,"endTime":2004.57,"body":"gained 40 pounds. One month, one"},{"speaker":"Kai Lun Qu","startTime":1997.94,"endTime":2004.57,"body":"to two months. Like it was bad."},{"speaker":"Kai Lun Qu","startTime":2004.6,"endTime":2009.01,"body":"I was almost 200 pounds. 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