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Well, I've got"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3976.41,"endTime":3976.89,"body":"a page"},{"speaker":"Vicki Sullivan","startTime":3976.89,"endTime":3980.82,"body":"on my website,"},{"speaker":"Vicki Sullivan","startTime":3976.89,"endTime":3980.82,"body":"which is FASO website, which I"},{"speaker":"Vicki Sullivan","startTime":3980.82,"endTime":3984.93,"body":"really am happy with. So I made"},{"speaker":"Vicki Sullivan","startTime":3980.82,"endTime":3984.93,"body":"a special page just for the"},{"speaker":"Vicki Sullivan","startTime":3984.93,"endTime":3987.99,"body":"instruction video where they can"},{"speaker":"Vicki Sullivan","startTime":3984.93,"endTime":3987.99,"body":"read a little bit and click"},{"speaker":"Vicki Sullivan","startTime":3987.99,"endTime":3992.67,"body":"straight through to the page to"},{"speaker":"Vicki Sullivan","startTime":3987.99,"endTime":3992.67,"body":"buy videos. So yeah, it's all"},{"speaker":"Vicki Sullivan","startTime":3992.67,"endTime":3996.03,"body":"there. And my all my social"},{"speaker":"Vicki Sullivan","startTime":3992.67,"endTime":3996.03,"body":"media links are on the video on"},{"speaker":"Vicki Sullivan","startTime":3996.03,"endTime":4002.09,"body":"the website. And my website is"},{"speaker":"Vicki Sullivan","startTime":3996.03,"endTime":4002.09,"body":"just www dot Viki pheic kr"},{"speaker":"Vicki Sullivan","startTime":4002.63,"endTime":4006.11,"body":"sullivan.com. Wonderful."},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":4006.23,"endTime":4009.26,"body":"Well, thank"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":4006.23,"endTime":4009.26,"body":"you so much, Vicki for, you"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":4009.26,"endTime":4013.22,"body":"know, being a guest on the show"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":4009.26,"endTime":4013.22,"body":"and providing so much wonderful"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":4013.22,"endTime":4013.91,"body":"advice."},{"speaker":"Vicki Sullivan","startTime":4015.26,"endTime":4017.48,"body":"Oh, thank you"},{"speaker":"Vicki Sullivan","startTime":4015.26,"endTime":4017.48,"body":"for having me, Laura. It's such"},{"speaker":"Vicki Sullivan","startTime":4017.48,"endTime":4020.84,"body":"an honor to be asked and so"},{"speaker":"Vicki Sullivan","startTime":4017.48,"endTime":4020.84,"body":"lovely to catch up with you"},{"speaker":"Vicki Sullivan","startTime":4020.84,"endTime":4025.85,"body":"again. And hopefully I made some"},{"speaker":"Vicki Sullivan","startTime":4020.84,"endTime":4025.85,"body":"some ideas of, you know, things"},{"speaker":"Vicki Sullivan","startTime":4025.85,"endTime":4029.36,"body":"that they can try, and hopefully"},{"speaker":"Vicki Sullivan","startTime":4025.85,"endTime":4029.36,"body":"it'll work for them and happy"},{"speaker":"Vicki Sullivan","startTime":4029.36,"endTime":4030.53,"body":"painting everybody."},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":4031.1,"endTime":4033.47,"body":"That's"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":4031.1,"endTime":4033.47,"body":"awesome. Thank you."}]}