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So now I want to know if"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3407.8,"endTime":3413.26,"body":"you have any exciting, maybe"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3413.38,"endTime":3416.26,"body":"upcoming, things happening in"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3413.38,"endTime":3416.26,"body":"California that you want to"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3416.26,"endTime":3416.62,"body":"mention."},{"speaker":"Brienne Brown","startTime":3416.62,"endTime":3419.5,"body":"Yes, I do. 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And then where can people"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3456.56,"endTime":3460.78,"body":"find more of your work."},{"speaker":"Brienne Brown","startTime":3460.84,"endTime":3464.44,"body":"So you can find"},{"speaker":"Brienne Brown","startTime":3460.84,"endTime":3464.44,"body":"on my website, which is Brianne"},{"speaker":"Brienne Brown","startTime":3464.44,"endTime":3471.04,"body":"M brown.com Also my instagram"},{"speaker":"Brienne Brown","startTime":3464.44,"endTime":3471.04,"body":"handle is just Brianne M brown"},{"speaker":"Brienne Brown","startTime":3471.16,"endTime":3478.36,"body":"artist, and yeah, and I also"},{"speaker":"Brienne Brown","startTime":3471.16,"endTime":3478.36,"body":"teach. So my teaching website,"},{"speaker":"Brienne Brown","startTime":3478.42,"endTime":3484.98,"body":"for anyone who's interested, is"},{"speaker":"Brienne Brown","startTime":3478.42,"endTime":3484.98,"body":"traveling colors studio.com, you"},{"speaker":"Brienne Brown","startTime":3484.98,"endTime":3487.5,"body":"can also through my website, but"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3489.48,"endTime":3495.06,"body":"yes, yes,"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3489.48,"endTime":3495.06,"body":"and your social media, yeah."},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3495.18,"endTime":3498.06,"body":"Well, awesome. Thank you so"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3495.18,"endTime":3498.06,"body":"much, Brianne for all of your"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3498.12,"endTime":3501.56,"body":"excellent advice. I will be"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3498.12,"endTime":3501.56,"body":"taking a lot of that. 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