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Perfectly"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":737.16,"endTime":739.38,"body":"fine. I'm"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":737.16,"endTime":739.38,"body":"here for the for the very lovely"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":739.38,"endTime":742.28,"body":"ride you're taking us on,"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":739.38,"endTime":742.28,"body":"because you have mentioned a lot"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":742.28,"endTime":746.48,"body":"of really excellent points. So"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":742.28,"endTime":746.48,"body":"I'll just go down a bit of a"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":746.48,"endTime":749.24,"body":"list here. 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That's all"},{"speaker":"Warren Chang","startTime":3749.78,"endTime":3752.54,"body":"that's on the horizon."},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3753.74,"endTime":3756.2,"body":"That's so"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3753.74,"endTime":3756.2,"body":"exciting. Yeah, and I mean, I"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3756.2,"endTime":3760.42,"body":"think anyone could learn so so"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3756.2,"endTime":3760.42,"body":"much from you. You have such an"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3760.66,"endTime":3764.02,"body":"amazing amount of information"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3760.66,"endTime":3764.02,"body":"that you have learned from you"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3764.02,"endTime":3767.8,"body":"know, your experience and your"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3764.02,"endTime":3767.8,"body":"life and from experimenting. And"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3767.8,"endTime":3769.96,"body":"of course, it's very visible"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3767.8,"endTime":3769.96,"body":"through your work. So I think"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3769.96,"endTime":3774.64,"body":"anyone would be very happy to"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3769.96,"endTime":3774.64,"body":"learn from you. Thank you. Thank"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3774.64,"endTime":3777.88,"body":"you. Yeah. And then where can"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3774.64,"endTime":3777.88,"body":"people see more of your work?"},{"speaker":"Warren Chang","startTime":3780.46,"endTime":3783.54,"body":"Well, my website,"},{"speaker":"Warren Chang","startTime":3780.46,"endTime":3783.54,"body":"obviously. And then I'm"},{"speaker":"Warren Chang","startTime":3783.54,"endTime":3787.68,"body":"represented by, if you want to"},{"speaker":"Warren Chang","startTime":3783.54,"endTime":3787.68,"body":"see my work in the flash beside"},{"speaker":"Warren Chang","startTime":3787.68,"endTime":3792.18,"body":"it, I'm represented by the"},{"speaker":"Warren Chang","startTime":3787.68,"endTime":3792.18,"body":"Winfield gallery in Carmel and"},{"speaker":"Warren Chang","startTime":3792.18,"endTime":3798.78,"body":"Hawk Fine Arts in Pacific Grove,"},{"speaker":"Warren Chang","startTime":3792.18,"endTime":3798.78,"body":"as well as the American legacy"},{"speaker":"Warren Chang","startTime":3798.78,"endTime":3802.52,"body":"gallery in Pasadena, California."},{"speaker":"Warren Chang","startTime":3798.78,"endTime":3802.52,"body":"Awesome."},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3802.7,"endTime":3804.2,"body":"Yeah. And"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3802.7,"endTime":3804.2,"body":"then, of course, your Facebook,"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3804.2,"endTime":3808.64,"body":"but we can include all of those"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3804.2,"endTime":3808.64,"body":"links as well in the show notes."},{"speaker":"Warren Chang","startTime":3809.12,"endTime":3810.5,"body":"Sure sounds good,"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3811.04,"endTime":3812.84,"body":"awesome."},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3811.04,"endTime":3812.84,"body":"Well, thank you so so much"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3812.84,"endTime":3815.12,"body":"Warren for being a guest on the"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3812.84,"endTime":3815.12,"body":"show."},{"speaker":"Warren Chang","startTime":3816.44,"endTime":3817.76,"body":"Oh, you're"},{"speaker":"Warren Chang","startTime":3816.44,"endTime":3817.76,"body":"welcome. It's been a pleasure."},{"speaker":"Warren Chang","startTime":3817.76,"endTime":3821.74,"body":"You've been just a delight. I'm"},{"speaker":"Warren Chang","startTime":3817.76,"endTime":3821.74,"body":"just I really enjoyed. I mean,"},{"speaker":"Warren Chang","startTime":3821.74,"endTime":3825.04,"body":"it's very rare for me to talk to"},{"speaker":"Warren Chang","startTime":3821.74,"endTime":3825.04,"body":"someone as knowledgeable as you"},{"speaker":"Warren Chang","startTime":3825.46,"endTime":3828.82,"body":"and so receptive in such a"},{"speaker":"Warren Chang","startTime":3825.46,"endTime":3828.82,"body":"kindred spirit. You know, it's"},{"speaker":"Warren Chang","startTime":3828.82,"endTime":3832.3,"body":"been, it's just a really rare"},{"speaker":"Warren Chang","startTime":3828.82,"endTime":3832.3,"body":"occasion. So it's been a real"},{"speaker":"Warren Chang","startTime":3832.6,"endTime":3834.58,"body":"pleasure for me to converse with"},{"speaker":"Warren Chang","startTime":3832.6,"endTime":3834.58,"body":"you."},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3835.36,"endTime":3837.7,"body":"Yeah, thank"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3835.36,"endTime":3837.7,"body":"you so much. Yeah, thank you."}]}