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So I definitely"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":157.22,"endTime":160.1,"body":"admire your work very much,"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":157.22,"endTime":160.1,"body":"which is why I'm also excited to"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":160.1,"endTime":165.46,"body":"have you and excited to be here,"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":160.1,"endTime":165.46,"body":"yeah, but before we dive into"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":165.52,"endTime":168.4,"body":"your beautiful work, do you mind"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":165.52,"endTime":168.4,"body":"telling us a bit more about who"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":168.4,"endTime":169.84,"body":"you are and what you do?"},{"speaker":"Kim Casebeer","startTime":170.979,"endTime":176.139,"body":"Yeah, I'm Kim"},{"speaker":"Kim Casebeer","startTime":170.979,"endTime":176.139,"body":"casepier, and I am primarily a"},{"speaker":"Kim Casebeer","startTime":176.139,"endTime":181.499,"body":"landscape painter. 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And on Facebook, I'm Kim"},{"speaker":"Kim Casebeer","startTime":3438.66,"endTime":3445.52,"body":"K spear, fine art. And on blue"},{"speaker":"Kim Casebeer","startTime":3445.52,"endTime":3450.02,"body":"sky, I'm just Kim K spear. And"},{"speaker":"Kim Casebeer","startTime":3445.52,"endTime":3450.02,"body":"why all the different ones? I"},{"speaker":"Kim Casebeer","startTime":3450.02,"endTime":3452.66,"body":"don't know. I wish I had an"},{"speaker":"Kim Casebeer","startTime":3450.02,"endTime":3452.66,"body":"answer for"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3452.66,"endTime":3455.48,"body":"that, but"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3452.66,"endTime":3455.48,"body":"you still Kim K spear, which is"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3455.48,"endTime":3458.3,"body":"what counts? I'm still Kim K"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3455.48,"endTime":3458.3,"body":"spear, right, yes, right, yeah."},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3458.66,"endTime":3460.9,"body":"And I'll include all of your"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3458.66,"endTime":3460.9,"body":"links in the show notes so"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3460.9,"endTime":3463.78,"body":"people, okay, check out. Okay,"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3460.9,"endTime":3463.78,"body":"you sound good and sign up for"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3463.78,"endTime":3467.8,"body":"your newsletter. Yeah, um, so,"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3463.78,"endTime":3467.8,"body":"yeah. So, thank you so much, Kim"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3467.8,"endTime":3472.42,"body":"for all the awesome advice you"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3467.8,"endTime":3472.42,"body":"Yeah, thanks for having me. This"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":3472.42,"endTime":3474.52,"body":"was fun. Yes, it was. Yeah."}]}