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Keith"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":103.3,"endTime":106.24,"body":"advocates for building personal"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":106.24,"endTime":109.24,"body":"relationships with the clients,"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":106.24,"endTime":109.24,"body":"maintaining an email newsletter"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":109.24,"endTime":112.12,"body":"and having a strong website as"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":109.24,"endTime":112.12,"body":"key marketing strategies for"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":112.12,"endTime":116.02,"body":"artists. 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And I guess if we all"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":5219.98,"endTime":5224.14,"body":"want to keep track and see if"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":5219.98,"endTime":5224.14,"body":"you complete these paintings,"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":5224.68,"endTime":5228.34,"body":"where can people see more of"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":5224.68,"endTime":5228.34,"body":"your work? So Keith bond.com"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5230.44,"endTime":5234.16,"body":"Yes, yeah. And of"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5230.44,"endTime":5234.16,"body":"course, I do want to give a"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5234.16,"endTime":5236.56,"body":"shout out to my galleries. They"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5234.16,"endTime":5236.56,"body":"are very good galleries. I work"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5236.56,"endTime":5241.38,"body":"with both the galleries and my"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5236.56,"endTime":5241.38,"body":"own clients, so I do both, which"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5241.38,"endTime":5243.9,"body":"we never, didn't talk about"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5241.38,"endTime":5243.9,"body":"that, but if you do that, you"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5243.9,"endTime":5247.08,"body":"have to treat your galleries"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5243.9,"endTime":5247.08,"body":"right and don't undercut them."},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5247.74,"endTime":5252.48,"body":"So I charge the same when I sell"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5247.74,"endTime":5252.48,"body":"direct as the gallery would"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5252.48,"endTime":5258.36,"body":"charge. So don't undercut your"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5252.48,"endTime":5258.36,"body":"galleries. But yeah, I have"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5258.78,"endTime":5263.72,"body":"Sanders gallery in Tucson,"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5258.78,"endTime":5263.72,"body":"aluminum. Gallery West in"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5263.72,"endTime":5269.3,"body":"Montana, wild horse gallery in"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5263.72,"endTime":5269.3,"body":"Steamboat Springs, Colorado. And"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5269.3,"endTime":5272.9,"body":"I just joined a gallery,"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5269.3,"endTime":5272.9,"body":"although they don't have"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5272.9,"endTime":5275.96,"body":"anything yet, I'm still working"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5272.9,"endTime":5275.96,"body":"on getting them some paintings."},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5275.96,"endTime":5279.86,"body":"Berkeley gallery in Virginia. So"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5275.96,"endTime":5279.86,"body":"I'll be sending them some"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5279.86,"endTime":5283.48,"body":"paintings soon. As soon as I get"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5279.86,"endTime":5283.48,"body":"them done,"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":5285.52,"endTime":5287.5,"body":"I believe in"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":5285.52,"endTime":5287.5,"body":"you. I believe in you. 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Thank you so much,"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":5298.54,"endTime":5301.62,"body":"Keith for Well, thanks for"},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":5298.54,"endTime":5301.62,"body":"having interesting conversation."},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":5301.62,"endTime":5303.54,"body":"Yeah, of course, this was great."},{"speaker":"Laura Arango Baier","startTime":5301.62,"endTime":5303.54,"body":"It"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5303.54,"endTime":5306.48,"body":"was fun. It was"},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5303.54,"endTime":5306.48,"body":"good. Thank you, of course."},{"speaker":"Keith Bond","startTime":5306.48,"endTime":5306.6,"body":"Yeah."}]}