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No, I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3220.4900000000002,"endTime":3224.42,"body":"can't really think you covered a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3220.4900000000002,"endTime":3224.42,"body":"lot. And I thought you had some"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3224.42,"endTime":3226.73,"body":"really good questions. So I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3224.42,"endTime":3226.73,"body":"don't got anything for you"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3226.73,"endTime":3227.06,"body":"there."},{"speaker":"Philip Pape","startTime":3227.33,"endTime":3229.52,"body":"That works. That"},{"speaker":"Philip Pape","startTime":3227.33,"endTime":3229.52,"body":"works. All right, man. So where"},{"speaker":"Philip Pape","startTime":3229.52,"endTime":3232.76,"body":"can people learn about your"},{"speaker":"Philip Pape","startTime":3229.52,"endTime":3232.76,"body":"program and your work?"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3233.93,"endTime":3237.41,"body":"So you can go"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3233.93,"endTime":3237.41,"body":"to court balance training.com,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3237.44,"endTime":3242.06,"body":"you can go to YouTube and just"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3237.44,"endTime":3242.06,"body":"search for balanced training."},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3243.17,"endTime":3248.2400000000002,"body":"We're all the same names on"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3243.17,"endTime":3248.2400000000002,"body":"Instagram, Facebook, whatever."},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3248.2400000000002,"endTime":3252.17,"body":"But I think the best resource"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3248.2400000000002,"endTime":3252.17,"body":"that I can recommend anybody is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3252.86,"endTime":3256.64,"body":"the master class, I just took"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3252.86,"endTime":3256.64,"body":"all the most kind of valuable"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3256.64,"endTime":3259.88,"body":"information that I could and I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3256.64,"endTime":3259.88,"body":"tried to pack it into the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3259.88,"endTime":3264.17,"body":"smallest video possible. So it's"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3259.88,"endTime":3264.17,"body":"15 minutes. That explains"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3264.2,"endTime":3268.64,"body":"explains with illustrations."},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3264.2,"endTime":3268.64,"body":"What I was talking about, you"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3268.64,"endTime":3272.81,"body":"know, the underlying muscle"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3268.64,"endTime":3272.81,"body":"imbalances that often lead to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3272.81,"endTime":3277.67,"body":"chronic lower back pain, and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3272.81,"endTime":3277.67,"body":"then the solution that that I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3277.67,"endTime":3284.0,"body":"believe, is the best way to long"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3277.67,"endTime":3284.0,"body":"term address this muscle"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3284.0,"endTime":3287.6,"body":"imbalance and get get back to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3284.0,"endTime":3287.6,"body":"doing an active lifestyle."},{"speaker":"Philip Pape","startTime":3288.71,"endTime":3290.69,"body":"Awesome. I will add"},{"speaker":"Philip Pape","startTime":3288.71,"endTime":3290.69,"body":"all those in the show notes. And"},{"speaker":"Philip Pape","startTime":3290.7200000000003,"endTime":3293.78,"body":"your approach is refreshing and"},{"speaker":"Philip Pape","startTime":3290.7200000000003,"endTime":3293.78,"body":"makes a lot of sense to me."},{"speaker":"Philip Pape","startTime":3294.17,"endTime":3297.29,"body":"Always looking for solutions to"},{"speaker":"Philip Pape","startTime":3294.17,"endTime":3297.29,"body":"this because it is so prevalent,"},{"speaker":"Philip Pape","startTime":3297.56,"endTime":3299.42,"body":"and I really appreciate you"},{"speaker":"Philip Pape","startTime":3297.56,"endTime":3299.42,"body":"coming on the show, man."},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3299.6,"endTime":3301.25,"body":"Yeah. Thanks"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3299.6,"endTime":3301.25,"body":"for having me. Philip really"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3301.25,"endTime":3305.18,"body":"appreciated. And I look forward"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3301.25,"endTime":3305.18,"body":"to checking out more episodes of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3305.18,"endTime":3305.96,"body":"your podcast."},{"speaker":"Philip Pape","startTime":3306.35,"endTime":3308.2400000000002,"body":"Yeah, man. Check it"},{"speaker":"Philip Pape","startTime":3306.35,"endTime":3308.2400000000002,"body":"out. All right. Thanks for"},{"speaker":"Philip Pape","startTime":3308.2400000000002,"endTime":3308.7200000000003,"body":"coming on."},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3309.05,"endTime":3310.01,"body":"All right,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ryan Peebles","startTime":3309.05,"endTime":3310.01,"body":"you're welcome."},{"speaker":"Philip Pape","startTime":3312.41,"endTime":3314.96,"body":"Thank you for"},{"speaker":"Philip Pape","startTime":3312.41,"endTime":3314.96,"body":"tuning in to another episode of"},{"speaker":"Philip Pape","startTime":3314.96,"endTime":3318.5,"body":"Wits \u0026 Weights. If you found"},{"speaker":"Philip Pape","startTime":3314.96,"endTime":3318.5,"body":"value in today's episode, and"},{"speaker":"Philip Pape","startTime":3318.5,"endTime":3321.44,"body":"know someone else who's looking"},{"speaker":"Philip Pape","startTime":3318.5,"endTime":3321.44,"body":"to level up their Wits \u0026"},{"speaker":"Philip Pape","startTime":3321.44,"endTime":3324.65,"body":"Weights. 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