Suicide Squad (2016) with Kara

Kara and I complain about the sexism and character assassination in Suicide Squad (2016). Kara has read most of the comics, so she is a wealth of knowledge when it comes to source material!
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Hello, and welcome to movies I've seen. It's not a fashion podcast, but I do complain about all of Harley Quinn's outfit this week, Kara, and I watched Suicide Squad 2016. And we both hated it. I have a lot to complain about. Throughout the recording, we keep saying the Suicide Squad, which is the name of the movie that came out this weekend in 2021. So that's wrong. And for that, I apologize. But we mean Suicide Squad. 2016 directed by David Ayers. Because Kara has read all the Suicide Squad comics, she was able to inform me about the background of some of these characters. And some of them I knew from other comics or other DC media. But I still felt like I had a lot to learn from her and I was really happy to learn it, you will notice some sounds of rustling papers because we took notes. It's kind of a confusing movie, if you haven't seen it. So there was some stuff to keep track of. So while we have a lot of complaints, we still had some nice things to say about the movie. I'm recording this intro on Sunday, having watched the brand new the Suicide Squad movie this weekend when it came out. And it was much better. They basically fixed all of the things that we complained about. So that was great. The new one is really good. I should see this more. But there's spoilers for the movie. This is not the podcast to listen to. If you just want a light sprinkling of what to expect from a film, I have a lot of trouble holding back in all my conversations. So spoilers for this episode, and every other episode, unless it's specifically labeled spoiler free. 

Alright, Kara, you're here to talk about the Suicide Squad. I am here to talk about the Suicide Squad. Wow. It is a movie. We watched it. We didn't watch it. It was not my first time watching it probably the third time watching it. I think I haven't watched it for fifth fourth or fifth. I haven't watched it that much. We that's surprising. Yeah. We freshly opened my DVD that I got for like $5 at Walmart and

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undetermined amount of time ago.

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Yes. I was like I'll buy this and then maybe watch it again someday. Yeah. And today was that day. Wow. Yes. So where do we begin? First of all,

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it was bad. It was pretty bad.

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I sent you the folding ideas video. Yeah. About the art of editing and the Suicide Squad. Yes. And I think that's a comprehensive video about a lot of things that are wrong with this movie. Absolutely. I think by far the editing is the worst thing about it. I totally agree. I don't think I don't know how much work you need to put into this movie to make it suddenly become a good movie. But I think some proper editing would have really, really saved a lot of scenes in it at least, right? Because so many parts of it are jarring. Yes. And there's hardly a smooth transition. stuff just keeps happening to the point that I've seen this movie several times. And I remember when it came out, and I was still really enjoying it had my rose tinted glasses on. And I was like I'm having a good time. I don't care what anyone says. That's all I really need for moving. But even then I would there was stuff where I was like, Oh, I don't know what just happened there. But I guess we're moving on. Yeah. And that happens a lot. I know how hard you try to enjoy movies while you're in the theater watching them? Yes, because I paid money. I'm going to enjoy it. Dammit. I respect that, honestly. But yeah, I felt like there were a lot of moments where I was like, What happened? Why does it matter? Next thing is happening? Yes. And then a bunch of times it actually didn't matter. I like I missed stuff and it didn't matter. I thought that we're not even going to comprehensively go over the plot. No, because just go watch it You

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all know you all

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know the plot, you know have applied or just go watch it and not a waste of two and a half hours you can have fun and get angry simultaneously.

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And that's its own fine.

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Um, but watching it this time, the part where the Suicide Squad is on the roof, and Joker has hijacked the saving helicopter and picks up Harley. Yes. And then I thought he pushed her out of the helicopter. I thought that's what happened. But no turns out it didn't happen. On screen right there. I guess in initially it was supposed to be hardly saying oh, well, we got to go back for them. They're my friends brigade deleted team. Yeah. And that would have so effortlessly explained what happened there. And what went wrong with him saying, Oh, I was just here for you. You're betraying me by liking Aaron else. Yeah, caring for anyone else and then pushing her out and that would have been so good. jarring. Cuz you know, they built up the whole movie we've tried to build up the whole movie, right? Him and her being you know, we're inseparable. I'm gonna do anything to get her back and she was gonna do anything to go back to him. Yes. And then him on a dime, betraying her great would have been good.

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So instead, she's just like, guide your back baby and she's like, glad to be back something about a bear skin rug, and then he pushes her out of the helicopter before it explodes to save her. I guess that's Bridget she jump. I think he pushed her to, apparently to save her. And then she, well, somehow she ended up outside of the helicopter and and he is presumed dead.

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But editing is the culprit for a vaccine. Yes,

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this is a mess. And again, I'm still talking about it. I really just kind of was like, I don't know, I'm sleepwalking through this. And I sort of whenever the Joker comes on screen, it's a combination of like just zoning out completely because I don't care at all. Yeah, I'm like boiling with rage. Because I hate this joker so much. Oh, yeah, a lot of my hatred of this joker comes from Jared Leto. That's fair come from Jared Leto being a legit sexual predator. Yep, abusing his cast members using his cast mates. Yep. And also being a cult leader, an actual literal cult leader. So I used to be a fan of him. And I now despise him for all these things. And when I see him on screen, I absolutely do not feel any responsibility to divorce what I know about the actor from that character, and even if you did, it's very difficult. And he's Yeah, sometimes you just can't regulate it. And also he made such weird choices with he's not a good Joker. And the Joker is a controversial character. And he's only become more controversial as time has gone by. I remember when I was young and watching Batman The Animated Series, and I was in high school and I was like, I love Harley. I love the Joker. I think he's interesting and cool. Mark Hamill did such a fun. I love that Joker. I genuinely love that Joker and now it's 2021 and I feel awkward saying like, Oh, I can't I can't have that same pinion. I loved seeing their high jinks them. I mean, it was never a healthy relationship. But they were two supervillain so I wasn't expecting it to be great. Um, and I like seeing them. You know, if fighting Batman, and it's goofy and comical, and they're clowns. And it was it was fun, but it was can't be a little bit. Yeah, there were jokes that paid off. It had funny punch lines, jokes. Yes, exactly. Point.

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But this Joker's just very. So self serious. I remember when the design came out. Again, people freaked out about the desire. And I did not I was like, it's the 21st century the Joker can have a grill he can have a sad Who's that isn't bothering me. I didn't hate the design. I didn't love it. But I also didn't love Heath Ledger's Joker design either. And people say why? And I'm like when it came out. I was on my animated series. You know? I was expecting to look like a gangster. But clown themed. No, that's not and then he looked like a dirty animal that came out of trash and had bird poop on his face. And I was like, Alright, that's a choice. So wasn't my favorite design. Right? But then you you get you know, now it's part of the lexicon. Everyone recognizes that version of the Joker. Yes. So him having the tattoos and having the grill they're trying to go for like a modern day gang kind of guy. In the grill. I kind of thought was clever. If you thought like, Oh, well. Batman's punched his teeth out so many times. He's got some metal one. I thought so too. I thought that was kind of clever. Yeah, but it's your letter. So I'm also looking. I'm like You disgust me. Right? And I don't think this joker acts like a gangster at all whatsoever. No, he acts totally weird. Actually. I wrote a note down that says Joker is acting like Harley. Yes. Yeah, like a nasty or edgier Harley. Basically, he's just like, silly and weird. And like, keeps touching people. Yeah, very touchy and weird. I have my note here that just says Joker very cringe. Because, as well. Yes. As we were watching the movie, I was like doing that thing I do when I'm showing somebody a movie even they've already seen it. Yeah, but when I show somebody a movie that I like, or enjoy parts of and then there's parts I'm like, Oh, this is really embarrassing. I like look away. I can't look at my the people in the room with me. They're gonna think that I like that and I don't

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I know you don't but I'm glad you wrote it down to prove it. You don't

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doubt him with his. I wrote something about his little arts and yeah, I like his fine arts and crafts project with his gun and knife collection. With additional baby clothes, although so cringe. It was so great. Everything with the Joker feels like it's from a different movie where nobody has a schedule to stick to there's no sense of urgency. Everybody's just dicking around spray painting intricate hahaha on the walls. Save For a different movie, because it shouldn't have been in this one, it had nothing to do with Suicide Squad. I understand. They probably thought, Oh, well, this is the first live action interpretation of Harley Quinn. We got to give her a little bit of connection to the Joker because there's no Joker in this franchise right now. Right? Um, because we wasted a lot of time with these other movies. There was not the build up and that's a big problem with movie too. There's no build up for these other characters. They have to shove it all into like 15 minutes. Yes. So including the Joker just felt like you could have given us a taste but they put so much of this Jared Leto Joker in there and he felt like a completely different character. Yeah, it just felt unnecessary. And a waste of time. It did. I have one more note about Harley and Joker and it just says What the fuck? that's valid. Because it's just really bad. I don't want to talk about the Joker forever, because he fucking sucks. Yeah, so that was the Joker portion. I think that's enough about the Joker. What's next on your list? Let's do another character analysis, I guess. Okay, because the characters are the important facets of the movie to me. And we can go straight to Hartley agreed. So we can mention the Joker tangentially, I guess.

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In the never again.

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The first note I have about Harley Quinn is tramp stamp confirmed. Yeah, she has a tramp stamp in the film, and I don't love that I actually had. So I took notes during the film. And then I went back and I highlighted all the things that I thought were misogynist. Yes. And a lot. That's one of them. Hartley is delightful, and lovable. Yes. I'm so glad her personality does shine through even through all this mess. I did like Harley's You know what, like it's hard vibe after the elevator fight. Or do you think that's a cool fight or not are necessary? Um, she's doing her own acrobatics and stunts in that which I remember when the movie came out. I was very impressed by I think it's a cool fight. I think it's very cool fight. I think it's fun, a fun little showcase. She gets to do it solo. Yes. And I think it's important in these movies to have. Again, team movies are very difficult as our team comics to give each character ample time to grow and have moments but also have a lot of teamwork fights, and I think Harley needed to have an elevator fight theme for a little bit of showing off just her individually. That was better than any of the like flashback Joker stuff really.

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the elevator fight scene has a cute song. I liked it. I don't have any complaints. But the elevator fight scene I thought was cute and quirky and fun. She got to do a cool little wall walk and like flip over the guy. I love seeing her acrobatics in this movie. The only complaint I have which is more just like a perspective thing is, is that it doesn't ever feel like Hartley's in danger because the cool music starts before the fight starts. So there's no there's no tension. Yeah, the better thing to do editing wise.

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We're gonna say the goddamn editing.

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So hold off on dropping the music until she like does her first hit back. Yes. Maybe she's about to get hit dodge the Dodge whatever attack and then as soon as she whacks with the bat, music kicks in. Yes. Perfect. Isn't it much better? Yes.

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we're always gonna come back to the editing.

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It really is criminal. Um,

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what else did I write about Harley? I really liked her love hate gun. I thought that was really cute. Yeah, um, it felt iconic for her in this movie. I thought it was nice to give her another cool weapon. She needed to have it because as some people and as we can, you know, other people bring up is we could bring up um, hey, what's Harley doing on this team? She seems a little bit over element when there's a bunch of like, super powered beings. Yes. Um, well, one. Well, she's popular. So she has to be on the team. So how are we going to justify it right. And even in the comics, they have to do this too. How are we going to justify her being on the team? Well, she's very smart. She's unpredictable, which is in measurable in battle. And okay, so she's got the bat. She's got a mallet, right? We got some melee stuff. She's got her acrobatics, but I have no problem with him giving her some guns and her knowing how to use them. I think it's cool. I think it's a really good way for her to be equal on equal level to some of the other characters who have maybe better weapons or stronger abilities. I think so do and I know that they don't focus on the emotional support that Harley gives the rest of the team but that's really there. Yes. And it's again, it's in the comics, she she really, she's the heart of the team. And she can also be the brains as well, which I really think is important to have with Harley. I think they could have focused on that a little bit more in the movie instead of wasting it with the Joker. But we're not going to talk about him anymore. Here sucks. Anything else cool about Harley. I did like during the helicopter After rescue seen her, the blind trust she had for not getting shot at. I know it was based on it being home I put in, he's not, he's not going to shoot me. But I also like that it kind of goes with her unhinged narrative like she she doesn't care, right gunfire left and right and that she could get Take a bowl at any second. She's like, No, I'm doing this now. Exactly. And I trust that I will be fine through it. And she is. I forget what part then one of the scenes in the city. Rick Flagg says something about the crazy ones. And Hartley just turns and goes, yes, yes. Yes. That was I believe, after the bar scene when they're all suiting up. Yeah. And she's just like, someone was talking about I think I think it was Rick Flagg in Captain Boomerang. We're talking about Katana. Yes. And then she they mentioned the crazy thing. That was cute. Yeah, I also really liked when they were talking about their escape earlier in the movie. Deadshot was like, here's my plan of how we're gonna get out of here and or you're, you have a guy you have a friend who's going to help us get out of here. And she's like, you're my friend, too. I thought that was so cute. It

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was really sweet.

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Love that line. Yeah, she's the first person to jump into saying, hey, let's maybe these are also my friends. Yeah. I like it. She's got a very like, we're doing this together. attitude. Yes. She's the heart of the team. I have technically a Harley complaint. Yes. Which is, there's a lot to complain about about her costume. Yes. One thing I haven't seen anyone else complained about that I noticed just this time while watching is that in the club scene where Hartley is dancing like a stripper in common has all those face tattoos. I'm so sorry. Common. They looked her off look rough. Her jewelry is that she's wearing wristwatches on her upper arms. That is her upper arms are the same width as the wrist of most men. I just wanted to point that out. Someone in costuming said this seems like a good It wasn't one. There were three wristwatches as a jewelry on her upper arms. I don't know how that's supposed to make me feel but I can't really put into words but I feel icky about it. I highlighted that under the massage me as well. Okay, that's fair. That seems appropriate. Oh, wow. Hong Kong scene was also I know and keep using the word cringe. But like, it really was cringy Oh

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my god, I'm

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so embarrassed to be watching that scene. Everyone is acting so skeezy and weird. It feels like something from like a really lame early 2000s movie.

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I tried to keep in mind Okay, at this point in her life she is doesn't even realize she's in a low point. You know, being with the Joker and how screwed up the situation ends up being and we all know. Yeah, um, where it's headed, but I can't excuse everything, you know, in all of her behavior and all the way that the lens that she's viewed through, it's just kind of like, okay, I mean, we can all have some fun and be like Harley is hot. That's fine. And she's crazy. She's a hot crazy girl. We can make some little jokes about that. Yeah, but that club scene was rough. Those aren't jokes. No, there's no joke, right? There's no self awareness or comedy about it. And I like that. We just watched birds of prey. Yeah, because it makes this much easier to take. Yeah. Because at the time when this came out, like this was kind of devastating that I held Harley in such high regard and treated so poorly. And at the time, like nobody really had a problem with it. No, no, that wasn't number one thing people were really complaining about. There's some complaints about her costume and that was really bad it I remember at the time when it came out to her. I always liked Harley but even when I was watching the movie when it first came out, I was like, why are we spending so much time on office? Like I maybe I wasn't upset as I should have been but I was definitely like, let's move along. We're spending a lot of time looking at her but and I just feel weird about it. Yes. Yeah. Also, we

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spent a lot of time looking at Enchantress, his breasts.

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Yes.

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There was a lot there was a lot of

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interest. You want to talk about Enchantress next.

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Yes, we can talk about Enchantress now.

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Yes, the villain of the piece. Apparently air quotes

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air quotes the villain of the film.

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I mean, waller's, the villain of the movie.

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And I love if that were actually what they did on purpose. Yes, but it's kind of not what they did on purpose because they didn't really know what they were doing on purpose. Realistically, Amanda Waller is the villain of just about everything that she's in Amanda Waller is the villain of the Suicide Squad comics. Yes. And I love her.

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I love her. I

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love Amanda Waller. I know we just we're gonna talk about Enchantress, but I love Amanda Waller she's one of my favorite comic book characters. Because even though she is a Can you hear the air quotes a good guy. She is so you know, self serving in a lot of ways. Yes, devious. scheming. She is smarter and more villain Most of her villains Yes. Um, even like she's worked with Lex Luthor before and they make a great team they really do. Was that in Batman, Superman, Public Enemy Superman, Batman, yes, enemies and they teamed up in the Suicide Squad run that started in 2016. A movie came out this movie, she had a there was like a short arc where she was teaming up with Lex again, and he was very good. And he was like, super into her. And I was like, this is a fun relationship is a very fun relationship. She is so secretly powerful. And people always assume that she's not. And I did like they did have a couple moments in the movie. I got very on the new nose because subtlety was not even a thought for this movie. She had some they have little comments where someone said they implied that they didn't expect that from her. You wouldn't expect her to be like this just looking at her. And she said something like, oh, nobody does, right? Yes. And so she's aware of that. And I love that you have this character who's a older black woman? Yes. In such a position of power oversight in the comics and the animated stuff. She's also humungous. Yes, she's kingpin sized. She's like comically obese. She's a heavyset. She's not played for humor. No. And she's usually shorter, too, which she's all of the things that would be the opposite of what you'd expect. And you think like, oh, powerful woman, Wonder Woman. She's tall and muscular man dollars, the opposite of that. There was one other several comic runs, where they make her skinny and I hate it. Even if the writing is good. I'm just like, no, it's it's sort of missing the point on one of these things. Yeah. Is that heavy black women are treated really badly, especially by white government officials. Yeah. And it's just nice that Amanda Waller gets shit done. Yeah. And she is always steps ahead of these white government dudes who think that they're more powerful or more whatever than her. And she doesn't even argue with them. They're so beneath her. She's right. Yeah. And this is actually where I think the movie did her another disservice. I think the crimes in the movie are the editing and what they did to Amanda Waller. One of the crimes they did to Amanda Waller is that she gives her presentation twice. Yes, she has to ask for permission twice. And not only does that suck because this runtime is jam packed full of weird garbage. But she did not have to give two presentations to two different sets of white dudes. Yeah. I and we said this during the movie, I think he would have benefited from starting out perhaps with some of the squad already formed. Yes, not her just starting from ground zero starting with there being like a very small team or very weak team. And then you see some of these new heroes being introduced. So then she's already been approved. We don't have to listen to her approval speech. She's already got it done. She's already started doing it. I did like her binder skills though. I did like her binder skills. She's very organized she's on top of it.

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I think

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was Viola Davis.

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Yes

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I think she's perfectly cast her Amanda Waller I think she she did a really good job. I think she did a really good job. She looks like her she's got this like the look on her face. I Stoney Stoney disinterested almost you don't know what she's thinking unreadable? Yes. And I like that. That's how Amanda Waller should be she's always got something going on. And I don't like seeing Amanda lose her cool. And even at the end when she comes out surprise, she's alive. She's got their little brain bombs on her phone. And they're like, Oh, are you kidding me? And then they say can we at least get a thank you. She gives them that and then they say you know I need to I want at least see my daughter's what that shot says And she's like, okay, you know she's just she relents concede a bit. And I felt that that was very in character. She still does have humanity. Shoot. It's very easy to lose sight of Amanda Waller humanity, right? Because in that same scene, Captain Boomerang says 10 years out three life sentences. He shit. Yeah, he steps up on her. She's unafraid. Yeah, she sends me down. And he backs down. Yeah, he is like many of them afraid of her and rightfully so. Yes. I think Amanda Waller is one of the most amazing characters in comics. Yes, ever. I like her a lot. Yeah, I she's so like, gray aligned. You don't know. Is she evil? She bat? Is she good? You know, right? Actually, that's one of the things I also noted was that the reality of the bombs is worse than having them be ambiguous, proving that they work by killing someone named Scorpion Navy who wasn't properly introduced. That his name flipped not yet not okay, killing him to prove that the bombs are real is dumb. And knowing that the real is worse than having the characters continue to evaluate their own personal safety in any given situation. It's tough because that's almost a formula. For a lot of the Suicide Squad comics and in some of the animated movies where there's always I don't know if I want to say like, Oh, well, it has to be there. I feel like I expect it. I have to make an example of somebody, they always the Suicide Squad, they're always gonna have the whole point of is, hey, nobody's safe. These characters don't get too attached. I think that's the tagline for James Gunn's movie. Don't get attached, they're going to be main characters are going to be dying. Some of them are gonna be dying. They're heroes. So expect this but they do almost always start off mean like, Oh, we got to prove that the bombs are serious. She's serious. She's not you know, we're not just lying and intimidating. You people are going to get their heads blown off. But Slipknot was so he's such a non character that had him punch a lady to be like, look we're choreographing for everybody, and especially the babies in the audience, that he is bad and he will die soon, is really bad. And it was worthless to Yeah, because having some ambiguity about the realness of the bombs, which anybody who has read the comics or seen the animated stuff, yeah, would know that it's real. But like, I guess, because everything is so different in the live action movies, we would still only think like, Oh, it's probably real, that I would have just assumed it's real. Yeah, me too. But like having some ambiguity would have been better and then someone actually tests it and then they die. Maybe if they had not blown his head off so early in the movie as well. I think that they wanted to establish Oh, hey, there's serious threats here. But I think we would have as an audience assumed it was serious from the beginning but there's no reason to believe that the movies lying to us right so to have it kind of hanging over their heads through most movie. Oh, is this true? Well, I don't want to be the one to test it and then later on in the movie that happens it would be so much more of an impactful shock when a character we've seen for most of the movie gets his head blown off instead of a character we've seen for like six minutes right and then it could change the behavior of the rest of the squad Yes,

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so that they work together better Yes,

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we're like a team some kind of suicide squad Oh when it came out it was painful to Yeah Okay, so those those are the crimes of Amanda Waller

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does the crimes done to Amanda wall and by Amanda Waller Well, we did talk about her shooting her own guys I think it was very good character moment to have her before she shot her guys be revealed to have been the person they're trying to extract from the city. Yes. Very muddy plot. I don't know I always forget that that was what they were trying to do for whatever whatever reason I don't know why she stuck around but at the moment they come to see her she's like I can take care of myself. I was like what not really though. What that was silly, very muddy. But I loved that she when Rick goes talk to her flag is like why are you here still you should have evacuated and she says well this is fascinating Look what they're all doing they're able to just take bullets and not go down these like creatures she's turning them into regular people old lady she's turning them into super soldiers Yeah, think of the possibilities and that is so Amanda Waller to be always looking Oh How can I use this? How can I use this to my advantage to help my cause right that's very in character is very immoral in gross and I love how Amanda Waller that is, but then she's like, oh, we're done here pulls a gun out and shoot six guys why she shoots six FBI agents in front of red flag flag and dead shots. The one who goes Whoa, that screwed up. And Rick Flagg who is just saying manda that is so immoral that you're standing here I'm I'm the good guy. I'm a good American boy. And then she shoots all these guys. And then she's like, you get used to it. What? The whiplash and why? Because it Rick Flagg have trust issues. Yes. Watching her do this. He should. He should. He should that should be maybe a moment where he's like, Hmm, maybe my boss is bad, actually. And it seemed like he was almost on that track when she was explaining why she stuck around. Yes, but then immediately it's that scene as a race. That was too much thinking for the movie. It was too good. Had to mess it up. By making her shoot some FBI agents in front of Rick Flagg and him just deciding, actually, I don't care anymore. Yeah,

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I didn't even know that.

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I'm actually fine with it. And Deadshot of all people in the room going this is a little messed up. And he says you get used to it. What? Rick, what have you seen her do this? Right. I maybe tell someone? Yeah, literally anyone would believe you. I would love to have seen Rick Flagg visibly losing trust with her and him being the one who say I don't listen to your orders right now. Yes. But they didn't really have implemented that and for them to like, turn away and let her get captured. And then ultimately, they're actually secretly good guys, even though they're bad guys. Yeah. So they save her. Yes, that would be better. Yes, and nothing. You Yes. And in the comics they always kind of have I liked it. They did have a little moment of you know, we're not Deadshot saying I'm not listening to you when she says, kill Harley kill Harley, if you want to see your daughter again, kill Harley, and then he still chooses to take the shot but say he missed, right? She at that point is like, fine whatever we moving on, but in the they always have this antagonistic relationship with her because of course they do. The squad hates Amanda. Amanda hates the squad, but she uses them. But there's always kind of a sense of Oh, but we know her that she's the enemy we know. Yes. So even regardless of her having a bomb in their head and saying you guys have to defend me. Sometimes in the comics, they just defend her because like, Well, we know her. She's our awful abusive mother, who are you?

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Yeah, exactly.

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And that and that kind of natural human behavior feels real. Yeah. Even when it's happening in a ridiculous circumstance. Yes, it feels real. And I just It is a shame. It feels like a missed opportunity with Rick Flagg just brushing her actions off completely completely. Yeah, so those are the crimes of Amanda Waller and done to Amanda Waller. Um, I don't know why she liked Enchantress or why she made her transform in that war room scene. I guess to again proof of concept for her team look so powerful. We could have use if we put these people under our control. It was weird. Again, it was one of those problematic scenes of her having to do this like appreciate approval, approval speech, song and dance. Yeah. We should not have done it twice. I don't know why they did it twice. It was redundant. I love the visual. It's cool. Chandra's transition Yes. Very cool transition. I think that stuck with me for a very long time when I first saw it, get a little handhold and then the flip and then she's all of a sudden blog which is great. I love that. Yeah, Enchantress has like cool look. Very different from the comic and the comic. She's wearing a little green outfit. She has a little green witch hat. A little red scarf. She's actually very cute.

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But other than that she

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just looks like a normal lady. And this they really went in a different direction she's she's creepy and weird and animalistic omo a lot of clothes no clothes wouldn't have been my choice that's another thing I my massage me list. Yep, that should be on there. Um, the things I did like about her look were the again that transition. I like that she always looked like she was kind of smoldering like she had like a fire her eyes especially in the final her final scenes looked like little flames almost just like this like reflective like a cat's eye sort of. Yeah, it's cool. And she always had kind of the the ashy, smoky effect on her other than that, just kind of like a half naked lady.

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Yes.

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Kind of weird. Yes. not my first choice. I think she could have been wearing a long dress or something. Or maybe maybe like one of those. It's a dress but it transitions into their skin kind of weird clothes. That would be great. Then she would have been covered. No, she just wear a bikini. Because when women are completely powerful and are powerful enough to destroy the whole planet, they electorate to wear nothing. That is what Powerful Women want to wear is a bikini. That's her choice. That is actually feminism. Girl Power.

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I'm doing it wrong.

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Actually, to be a powerful, selfish haired woman is to wear less clothes.

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Yeah, that's what the 90s taught me. Oh, yeah.

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Got one. Another massage. mystic thing that is related to Enchantress is when Rick Flagg is explaining his relationship to her. Instead of saying like, that's my girlfriend. I love her. I met her and I didn't know how I would fall into this. I thought it was gonna be a professional relationship, or anything. What they wrote for this man to say was, she was the only woman I ever cared about. My first thought was, what about your mother? That was my first thought to? Maybe he was an orphan? Can we? I don't know. In this case, easy massage honey. That makes people right, that the military man only wants to save a woman because she's the only woman he ever cared about. It is dumb. Yes. Stupid line. Bad, unnecessary line. We get that he cares about her. If you wanted to have more scenes show us a scene of them looking into each other's eyes, or some seeds that I did like, towards the very end was when Enchantress was putting these thoughts in their heads and thinking, oh, look what I can give you. Yeah, and he had that moment was So simple no dialogue him and June in bed together and her saying it was all just a bad train. That was so sweet. I would have been fine. That would have been enough for even earlier in the movie. I know this movie wants to be a sexy movie. Just have a nice sex scene. Just have a romantic cool sex scene between the two of them instead of him eating fried chicken in a window and then her journey into Enchantress. I don't know, Was that supposed to be a romantic scene of them together? It was bad. It was bad. Not romantic. We get sex instead. Yes, consensual sex between two attractive people in your Suicide Squad movie would be it wouldn't be feminist. Exactly. It would be better than you were the only woman I ever loved. She loved and cared about. But that is really bad. I know that he's really bad. Okay, Rick Flagg is a boring character. Alright, just in general, in the comics, people can disagree with me fine, but he's always kind of been the least interesting member of the Suicide Squad because he's kind of just like the Suicide Squad, like straight man. Sort of, but also kind of like they're like babysitter. Um, so he gets stuck with a lot of just the I'm the boring guy who's here to have a gun. Okay, cool. Good enough. We guess you need to refill that roll. That's fine. I think it was a good idea to give him a love interest because it helped him be more interesting. I wish it was executed better.

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Okay, great.

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Because having him be a member of the squad is like, Oh, well, now you have incentive other than just doing your job? Yes. I think Joel kinnaman who plays him? Yeah. did a really great job. Yes,

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I do. I agree.

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I don't know how much I'm convinced by his handsomeness. He is a pretty good looking guy. I think he's webcasted as Rick Flagg Yes. I just think Rick Flagg is kind of a boring character and you have potential to make him a more interesting character by having a good actor play him and having him have another relationship with another member of the squad. They just did it so poorly. Yes. Which is not actually a fault of the editing. That's the fault of the screenwriting. Yes. 100% so point one for editing. Wow, great job. You didn't fuck that?

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That was someone else's fault.

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Any more complaints about Enchantress? Her brother is not necessarily about Enchantress, but he's related to her and I think that was pointless and domination event in the movie. Yes, I agree. He's not in the comic. As far as I know. I think Enchantress could have just been a villain in her own right if they wanted to do that. I don't know why they had to give her a secret brother.

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misogyny.

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Yes, that's why I'm gonna Yep, what put another checkmark on the board. That's another massage anything. I thought it was interesting that Enchantress chose a black man to embody her brother because I assume Where was the cave? The doctor June found her do they say? I don't remember if they did say I assumed it was a non North American place. That's what I assumed. So you would presume that maybe in Kansas was maybe not a white woman? Right? That's what I would think. Now. It's a little weird because Enchantress in June don't really have anything to do with each other until they meet essentially she possesses her basically. So presumably in Chandra's being in June's body, even when she's in her Enchantress form wouldn't look like any other person, she would look like June but spooky because she's in someone else's body. Right? Um, but your thought process was that maybe too? Why did she choose this guy to embody her brother? Right? I assumed that she sort of like found someone who looked like her brother that it mattered that he was black. I I think that it would have been better. It made more sense if she were going to choose somebody who embody her brother that it would be like oh, you look like him or you are loosely related to him or something or from the same area and then she could want to transfer consciousness into Amanda Waller who was a black woman. That would have been interesting, but it felt I think what they ended up doing is just kind of picking a random guy. I think it's just lazy screenwriting just picking some random guy by the subway. Yeah, to be embodying your brother or for some reason. I don't know. It just felt so random. I think he just didn't need to be in the movie. I have another misogyny Enchantress complaint to tell me about it. Okay. It was misogynist to Deborah Enchantress with a significantly deeper voice than could be achieved by the actress. I felt so uncomfortable every time she spoke because it felt obviously dubbed over obviously dubbed and it just didn't didn't suit her because the rest of the movie she was either talking as herself or she was speaking in a different language and had kind of a weird whispery effect over it right and that was about it and I love Love is a strong word. I like spooky weird bog which version of Enchantress Yeah, I think it's blood preferred strong. Yes, and having have a weird whispery uncomfortable like she's creepy kind of voice is very cool. She feels ethereal and bad. And then do have Her regular words be like I'm brutish, and deep voiced woman and I don't know how to put the right inflection on my word right. It's bad. It was bad and somebody might be wondering, but how's it massage? dentist? Maybe you just hate it. Yes. How? massage Enos is that women have high voices. Yeah. And Dr. Moon. What's her first name Juno? Joon moon has a medium to high pitched voice she just sounds kind of like regular woman. She's not a Powerpuff Girl. No, she's not like me.

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