The Chasing Daylight Podcast
Four amateur golfers in Las Vegas talk weekly about the game. This show is for the obsessed golf fan who likes to nerd out on the game's different topics. Look for interviews from insiders within the industry and banter from their opinions on golf's current state. And discussions about headline topics like the Major tournaments and the hot new clubs hitting the shelves. Real talk from real people who play the game.
The Chasing Daylight Podcast
312: Krank Interview Recap, Golf at Revere, TGL, and Unforgettable Course Deals and Disappointments
Join us as we explore the thrilling experiences of achieving personal bests in golf while celebrating the journey with friends. We discuss the emotional ties to various courses, the essence of community in the sport, and the lively atmosphere of events like the Waste Management Open.
• Celebrating personal bests and memorable rounds
• Exploring the camaraderie and joy of golf
• Debating the culture surrounding the Waste Management Open
• Discussing the essence of “soul golfing”
• Comparing experiences at iconic golf courses
• Humor and anecdotes shared from various rounds
• The importance of enjoying the game beyond competition
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what is up everybody. Welcome to another episode of the Chasing Daylight Podcast. Thank you so much for hanging out with us on your Tuesday evening. We know there's a lot of places that you could be and things that you could be doing, so, those of you who have decided to come hang out with us, thank you so much. We are live on X, formerly known as Twitter. We are live on Instagram, we are live on YouTube and this pre-recorded episode will be out tomorrow on all our podcast platforms. So thank you again, everybody for tuning in, and thanks to our show supporters, the Golf Stop, roars Golf, las Vegas Golf Superstore and all of you that like to chime in and leave comments. We really appreciate it. So yeah, number 312 boys 312 dude.
Speaker 2:All right, 12, since we are on 300.
Speaker 1:That's crazy no, right, uh. So uh, how many raise your hand if you listened to the Crank interview?
Speaker 2:I've started.
Speaker 3:I mean, I feel like Crank should have been 312 and this episode should have been 311, and then we could have just been like Amber is the color of your energy.
Speaker 4:I didn't even realize it was 311.
Speaker 3:That's's yeah, my bad.
Speaker 1:I should have been at 310B no, it was really good yeah, very informative, very interesting. The. It's a hard thing to do to take on the majors. We also hit the club too at Revere.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what I was going to get to take on the majors. We also hit the club too at Revere.
Speaker 1:Yeah that was going to get to that. It's tough to take on huge money and he's doing it and Lance is being very successful at it. It was a blast talking with him about it. The feedback from the episode has been great. It's one of our best long-form YouTube videos we've ever put out. The feedback from the episode has been great. It's one of our best long-form YouTube videos we've ever put out. So much love for them for sharing it and helping send people to it to watch it. Yeah, and Lance sent one of the drivers and it's the conforming driver. They have two the long drive and then the pro that's meant to be played.
Speaker 3:Three no.
Speaker 1:Oh, they have more than that.
Speaker 3:Pro X and then double X.
Speaker 1:There's two that have thinner faces that they have not submitted to be conforming, and they have two that are conforming. One's a long drive driver that you could play on tour if you wanted to, and the other one's the one that we hit on, uh, sunday. So it's, uh, it's different. I'll say that uh, you know it's, it's. I had a hard time hitting it at first. I kept hitting it low and, uh, if you don't hit that thing on the sweet spot, it everybody knows because it's loud. Um, it's, you know it's an all titanium head it's. You know there's. I'm gonna have to ask him if, if you know, some rag glue could be put in there to help deaden the sound a little bit. Yeah, I'm sure it could, because it's got some weight ports in the back, so anything's possible with that stuff. Uh, but uh, dan, dan was just absolutely ripping it. What do you think, sir?
Speaker 4:and you hit everything well, though yeah, it feels good and it's uh definitely a little different. On the sound, it definitely sounds like you know, mid-2000s pings on the uh, on the uh, full titanium heads. But, um, it felt good.
Speaker 1:Like I said, I hit it pretty good, I hit it high, but and you hit it far, it felt, yeah it felt nice, so I got you know, I mean that was my furthest drive of the day that I hit, because I played the back to you with you guys on that hole and I was. I was like wow, I couldn't believe where I was you know you're with me right there, like you know yeah and feet yeah, it was. Uh, it's I mean, and that one I caught right in the.
Speaker 3:It's so funny, everybody's reaction whoa well, like I didn't hit a drive good all day, you know I mean, if you listen to the, the, the episode, it's it Roland Bolge, which is huge, I mean, and that's what Bryson's been on forever and that's even translated to his irons, and Roland Bolge, it doesn't spin off axis very much, you know, like I didn't feel like I hit it very well, but it didn't like slice or cut, it was just like a little softy, little left to righter, you know, and it stayed fairly straight. So I think I mean there's something to that rolling bold shit. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yep, absolutely, Absolutely. Yeah, I'm going to. I'm going to. Wasn't a big fan of that shaft, Just didn't feel good to me.
Speaker 3:I've never liked that shaft really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so I may. I may tinker around with some other options in that shaft. Really, yeah, and so I may, I may, uh, tinker around with some other options in that shaft, because it's, I mean, when you hit it, well it it goes far, and I think you know 80 fairway plus 20, 25 yards. I could get used to the sound, yeah yeah, yeah, the sound is different.
Speaker 3:It's not. It's not terrible, but it's it's. No, it's not, it's not terrible, but it's, it's. No, it's not, it's not terrible.
Speaker 1:It's not sasquatch, you know it's not, it's different, it's different.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just not what you're used to hearing. But yeah, uh, that being said, I I hit the elite very well on sunday. Yes, you did. I'm very happy with that, and the shaft that I have in it right now is is the new um tense a one K black. And you know, I I tell my boy, nick, at LAGP I mean, hey, you got to find something like this, cause this is really good right now. So, um, but it's, it's light, it's 40, almost 46 inches and you know that's a little bit long for me, but I was, I was playing it well, so I didn't uh, didn't have too many issues with it, but I, I'm really liking that driver, it's, it's going far, I'm hitting it well and uh, yeah, I, I had a personal best with you guys again at revere shot 72 for the first time in my life. Yeah, I'd never even ever shot par.
Speaker 1:I had five birdies on the day um started bogey, you know, and it's like but, uh, stayed with it and and played some good golf, so I'm pretty proud of myself for that yeah, yeah, career best birdie round too yeah, yeah, never had five birdies in a round it.
Speaker 3:I mean you gotta, you gotta, lay down some birdies to get the pb.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I was 200, 200 on the back, um with three birdies and one bogey. So that book. Oh, did I show you guys the, the video of the, the approach on 15 with the ball. It just it didn't bounce, it just did the tie spinner across the green.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I saw it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was wild oh my goodness, because Julian was out there with us. Shout out to you if you're hanging out tonight.
Speaker 3:That was a great surprise. I didn't even know he was coming. Yeah, I went up the entire round.
Speaker 1:My approach shot came in and it hit the collar perfectly. You know it came up. I didn't hit a great shot. It came up short um, and but it was low enough that it would have. It probably would have released to the back half of the green. I would have had an uphill putt for birdie. But this it like just hit the collar, didn't bounce at all and just zoom straight across all the way and then up into kind of a tricky spot one of the weirdest uh bounces I've ever seen.
Speaker 1:Right, it wasn't even a bounce it wasn't even a bounce as we because I was like I know I hit that well enough. It didn't come up short because we didn't know where it was and, you know, none of us exactly have brilliant eye vision you could easily hit a pebble.
Speaker 4:Those bunkers are a little pebbly, you know. You could easily hit a pebble or something. Yeah, very much like pebble shot across yeah it's it was.
Speaker 1:It was wild, but uh, I had a nasty little up and down on the 18th. Uh, to, to save it, a little sandy par and it was a big putt. It was a big putt and I showed the video to roars and he's like good thing you made it, because that was going to be further away than the first putt.
Speaker 3:I said I wasn't leaving it short.
Speaker 1:I wasn't leaving it short.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I told Dan I was walking across. I was like he told me this is for even par for his PB. He's like, oh really. I was like, yeah, he probably shouldn't have said anything because he might have ruined it, but you dropped it, you dropped it, he's clutch yeah, well, you know what?
Speaker 1:and I was thinking about because, uh, you guys all play the back tees and I played, I played the gold tees at 6600 yards out at lex um, and it allows, it allows me to kind of just get into a zone. You know, I'm up there on the box by myself yeah, you know I'll hang out with you guys when it's closed, you know.
Speaker 1:So I can hang out with everybody, of course. But, um, there's some boxes, that there's a you know pretty good gap, and uh, so, as I'm sitting there waiting for you guys to hit, I just kind of get into my own little element and it's, it's, it's really your little better help area, you just yeah, better help, you know this episode better health.
Speaker 3:We will welcome you.
Speaker 1:Just wait until better health finds out about us.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's going to be great.
Speaker 2:All right. So did you guys watch TGL tonight? A little bit? Not yet. Not yet which teams played Boston?
Speaker 1:and LA.
Speaker 3:Boston and boston la is the team to beat, bro. They're, they're, they're loaded, they're loaded for real.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I swear. I feel like keegan bradley's just always playing. Seems like I mean he's played like three nights right, three of the what five, no only two really yeah, their first week was last week.
Speaker 3:That was the first time that lori was on I mean, oh, okay yeah, no, I think I think la la golf club is is the team man. I mean, you got carlin, you got tommy, you got jay rose. Who's the other player? Um, I can't remember, because each team has four players.
Speaker 1:Xander, isn't it Xander? Yeah, no, xander's in New York. Oh, new York, that's right.
Speaker 3:Makes complete sense, you know.
Speaker 4:San Diego kid.
Speaker 3:How did I forget? Yeah, but no. Yeah, Each team has four players. Alternate the fourth spot, whatever it is. But yeah, each team has four players. Alternate the fourth spot, whatever it is. But yeah, dude, LA is the team. Bro, they really are.
Speaker 1:It's going to be interesting.
Speaker 3:And Adam Scott in Boston makes complete sense, like you know a kid from down under just coming up, you know, probably is really a fan of Dunkin' Donuts or something and just ends up in Boston.
Speaker 4:I totally get it it makes so much sense.
Speaker 1:Sam Adams too, yeah, your uncle from Boston. Yeah, so TGO was on Good episode tonight, A little dry at some spots, but overall it's the product. It is what it is. I tune in to watch golf because it's golf right, yeah, I could watch the Knights lose another game, like I did, but thankfully I was able to go, get out of my doldrum and watch some golf.
Speaker 3:I mean I do enjoy watching it. I don't enjoy the blowouts, because what is it? Three out of four weeks now is a blowout like four out of five four out of five. So last week was the best one. But that's the hard part, you know. And and just I mean it is golf. You know you don't always have it.
Speaker 1:So but Did you notice, opposite of this on Golf Channel was the Good, good Desert thing that was tonight. Was that live.
Speaker 3:They did it last year live?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 1:Okay, because I couldn't tell. I didn't know, I mean because they were all wearing like harsh winter clothes and I know it's not crazy cold down there right now because we're super nice right here um, you know, it was in the 70s, all day today. So, uh, it was. That's why I was like is this tape delayed and it was filmed a couple weeks ago, or yeah?
Speaker 3:yeah, well, everyone's out there for waste management currently. So I mean that's why it's going on. I mean there's a lot of events happening, but if they're partnering with Los Angeles Golf Club of TGL, like why are they putting something on at the same time as their affiliate, if you will Right, that's interesting.
Speaker 1:I didn't know that was nice. Hey, money, money, money. Double dipping, why not?
Speaker 3:I mean good good. They're visionaries. They have changed the game. They're visionaries and they understand the future of golf completely. You know what I mean Completely.
Speaker 4:Completely. Yeah, it is. A good tour is coming before you know it.
Speaker 3:Matt knows what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, joe, and good tours coming before you know it. Matt knows what I'm talking about. Yeah, joe, and I got a little inside thing going on. We'll fill you in on it later. Uh, goodness, you make me lose my train of thought. Yeah, uh. So yeah, I watched a little bit of that. I'm gonna see if I can find it on. Uh, on the golf, if they replay it, because I'm curious to see, because I had uh, it was on peacock yeah, is he on a?
Speaker 3:golf channel hold on trotty was on there yeah, he was on there with uh he was just in germany with uh matt cartus, like a day ago, and that's cartus, if you guys don't know that card is another girl, yeah yeah, he's golfing your state, he's in your, your state.
Speaker 1:He's in.
Speaker 3:Germany for the Adidas thing and he said you know he's always loved Adidas, so that's why he's missing waste management this week. And I saw a video of Cardis in Germany filmed by Trotty Golf. So I mean Trotty's traveling.
Speaker 1:Maybe it was taped.
Speaker 4:Maybe it is taped, potentially, does anybody anybody?
Speaker 1:know. If anybody's listening or watching and knows, let us know, because I am I'm not sure but yeah, it was like it was like 85 degrees there today. So yeah, they were all decked out in winter clothes, like everybody it was. It was weird, that's why they think it was live that makes it even more interesting.
Speaker 3:If, like they're, they just partnered with la golf, why would they throw it on tonight if it was pre-taped?
Speaker 1:well, maybe they didn't know that they were partnering with them until the last minute I guess could be a contract situation like we're airing this. Yeah, hey we cannot put it on, or we can. What do you guys want to do?
Speaker 3:yeah, put it on, yeah put it on tomorrow, put it on yesterday, but I don't know.
Speaker 1:There's probably a uh, greg norman. Uh, best of choke memorandum.
Speaker 3:Now they're not gonna do anything on norman just throw on a worldwide uh shells wonderful world of golf, you'll be yeah exactly that. Exactly that's what I want to see. I love those.
Speaker 1:They're really good, they need to come back. They need to have another one.
Speaker 3:You need a Shell's Wonderful World of Golf Abandoned. That'd be cool, that would be amazing, like if they filmed one in 99.
Speaker 1:Who would you want to see play in a match at Bandon?
Speaker 3:Like in 99?.
Speaker 1:No like in tomorrow.
Speaker 3:Oh did it.
Speaker 1:Who would you want to see Jordan?
Speaker 2:Spieth, because creativity yeah.
Speaker 1:I like it. I like it.
Speaker 2:I think a Spieth game at.
Speaker 3:Shorty's. I think a Spieth versus Homa matchup band would be fun Spieth versus JT would be fun. That'd be great, yeah.
Speaker 2:Smiley Kaufman could be there.
Speaker 1:Just walking, ricky recording it.
Speaker 4:Shuffler Shoffley oh.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Then let's see what else happened this weekend. We went to Pop Troke last night. That's why I'm so out of it. I was out way past my bedtime, like way past my bedtime, and I forgot to send Dan a message making sure he got home. Okay, I see you did, glad, yeah.
Speaker 4:Is that?
Speaker 1:a jail wall background.
Speaker 4:I was fine, I was like not even bust, I was good oh bullshit.
Speaker 3:No you were not even it wore off.
Speaker 4:It wore off by the time I had. I had three of those total of the night yeah yeah, well when you don't eat carbs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you wait you were, you were not, you were not you were good having the time of your life. Yeah, you were. You were enjoying yourself you were having a time of our life you were a little.
Speaker 1:You were a little sloshy. You were a little sloshy there was a couple, a couple instances where you know people coming up to be going, dan gonna be okay and I'm like oh, dan's fine yeah he's just happy to be there.
Speaker 4:Right, he's running down the hole, yeah yeah, yeah, he's having a good time.
Speaker 1:Uh, so I, I I got home last night and I'm like why didn't I see rob when we were leaving? And I'm like what did he bounce early? So I sent him a message. I go, dude, did I miss you when we were leaving? He's like he brought me my third drink. He's like no, I went in to go get some more drinks because I thought you guys were making the turn and everybody's gone.
Speaker 4:Yeah he came back out and he's like what the hell I go? Yeah, they, they're all right there in the parking lot, only me and jeremy hung back oh, that was funny I was I was like oh man, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I said yeah, we played 18. I was, you know, three hours past my bedtime.
Speaker 3:I would have loved to play the other 18, because I've never played the other side, oh you haven't. No, I haven't played that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's easier.
Speaker 2:So, Dan you had an ace, I had one, and Jackson had one right so, dan, you had an ace, I had one, and jackson had one right, I had two. Yeah, joe had two, you had two, and dan got one on the same hole, right, yeah, which was crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I hit that little and wow cut draw I shared that video because, uh, alessandro sent me video, the one that I made, and then joe had it recorded with his with his glasses and so that was a fun video to watch, uh that place is awesome, man.
Speaker 3:That was really fun and it wasn't too crazy busy, so that was a lot of fun for us to all play together yeah, that was, that was a good time you could tell the the couple behind us was like a little disturbed.
Speaker 2:But what are you going to do?
Speaker 1:If we did four groups and four groups, it would have just been a hold back even further.
Speaker 3:We were also up on the group in front of us every hole. Oh yeah, because we were just playing dollar bird or aces so we weren't putting out. Yeah, it's a good time, man, that's. I mean that's. It is a lot of fun, man. I. I do enjoy that place a lot. Pop who ate who had food.
Speaker 1:Did you enjoy the food? The food good oh, yeah, give them some love, because every time I've eaten there it's been amazing yeah, me and jeremy both have a salad.
Speaker 3:The southwest was it the southwest, southwest? It was really good, dude. I love chopped salads. If you chop lettuce and make it little bite-sized pieces on, I love that shit if you can eat a salad with a spoon, it's better it's what it means me a dollar.
Speaker 1:That's what I, that's what I was getting that steven, somebody owes me a dollar too and dan and joe uh, that's what happens when you get everybody out there. It's like, yeah, let's do this, let's do this, and then by five holes in everybody's, like, I don't give a fuck anymore yeah, yeah especially when nobody was even sniffing the hole on some of those we should play.
Speaker 3:I should have said five dollar aces, because it was my idea for dollar aces.
Speaker 2:I should have said five dollar aces yeah, benmo's gonna lose money when we all send that dollar yeah, I mean that's a it's.
Speaker 3:That side is very tough. It's hard to make aces on that, on that course that course is hard to make aces.
Speaker 1:There's some difficult holes on that, for sure.
Speaker 4:Very tough yeah, there's like five holes that you're gonna realistically make an ace yeah, do you think when they? Build, that course I mean joe you ace.
Speaker 2:Yeah, do you think when they build that course I mean, joe, you're a course architecture nerd when they build that course, do you think they analyze it, that it's possible to get an ace on every hole, or do you think they just built it and I think I, I don't know.
Speaker 3:I mean I think in like because I've played at the one in orlando and I played the harder course in orlando and it wasn't as crazy as the Vegas one. I don't think so. I don't remember it being as crazy. Some of the holes on the Vegas harder course is pretty impossible. So maybe their foresight was they don't see leagues happening, like tournaments happening or things like that, but like in orlando, um, the harder course you could definitely make an ace on on almost every hole, I would say if I remember correctly, but ag was saying that they're gonna be redoing a lot of it.
Speaker 1:He said because the this, after the hole, the ramp ups, there's supposed to be a lot more to allow the ball to release back to the hole. And he said that they built those I do remember, yeah. He's saying they built a lot of them wrong and the ball just stops instead of coming back.
Speaker 3:Now that you say that I think in Orlando the berms around the hole are more like rounded, and in Vegas it's more like a and in vegas it's more like a wall. Uh, yeah, it's more like cut like, uh, more like a 90 degree wall. Um, but that's. I think that you say that, yeah, that makes total sense, because in orlando, you can it, the ball travels around those those berms a lot better and they move better. So, um, yeah, that makes sense they're tripping hazards too, you know.
Speaker 4:Yet I'm the one that was drunk, okay you were like hop skipping up the hills. Yeah, I know, I was like a mountain goat up there you guys are over there.
Speaker 2:I was just like nervous watching my step first hole.
Speaker 3:I didn't have, I didn't have cleats on he wasn't wearing his shoes he's wearing the yeezys slides wasn't wearing the parking lot wasn't wearing the trues I wasn't wearing the trues, but yeah, a lot of fun but I I a lot of credit.
Speaker 1:Your drink did not spill that's true, it did not drinker you, you, you managed that well, because that could have easily gone everywhere yeah, and that was the first hole.
Speaker 3:So joe the pro, that's right uh I was drinking with dan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, missing the comments. This is joe lobbying for you. As Am Replay Abandoned. Stream it 24-7.
Speaker 3:I would love a stream a 24-7 stream of Abandoned.
Speaker 2:just watching people play just different holes, I would watch that all day.
Speaker 4:Walker Cup at. I think it's a Walker Cup at Cypress Point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that course ever since. Because they used to play the was the bing crosby, what is now the pebble beach. They used to play there, but because they did not allow african-american members. That's why the pga left. So I'm wondering if they've uh, I've done some, some things to get back on the good graces I did see that.
Speaker 3:Uh, did you guys watch that behind the scenes of rory winning, you know? And he's walking through doing the the winner thing, signing flags and, yeah, posting to the volunteers and he said it was his first time playing cyprus. That was. That's pretty interesting well he's never, over
Speaker 1:here. Yeah, he's always in saudi arabia or europe yeah, he's, that's true.
Speaker 2:He rarely plays the california swing right yeah, just because now they.
Speaker 1:You know you have to play the elevated events. So and he already said no to hawaii yeah, you don't get any others have you seen the?
Speaker 2:there's been a lot of uh stuff coming out from players. Jt sent that big letter about stuff and charlie hoffman about playing into more tournaments. You need to play, you need to support the tournaments, the and addressing like pace of play, a bunch of stuff. Did you guys see those?
Speaker 1:I saw lucas glover just yeah lucas aim point yeah
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah which, yeah, I mean he's right. You know if there was statistics that backed it up that said aim point golfers are better golfers with putting and it's. You know, it's hard to say because you could get really good at putting and something else in your game falls off and your scoring average stays the same, you know. So did your putt improve? Yeah, but did your overall strokes improve? No, so it's tough to say, but it is kind of annoying watching the guys do aim point. I mean I love Harry, but he takes so long to putt.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of money on the line.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean yeah, these guys are putting for millions. I get it, I do get it. Even with Aimpoint, I still don't feel it should ever take over five hours when you have three guys in a fucking group. There's got to be something else.
Speaker 1:Didn't they say this?
Speaker 4:year that they wanted to try to reduce some of the fields into some of these events.
Speaker 1:I don't know if that's starting this year or next year?
Speaker 3:Do you think that?
Speaker 4:has any. Is that a result of the pace of play? Less players in the field?
Speaker 2:Charlie Hoffman made it sound like it was in his letter. They've made all these changes with cutting fields down to help pace of play, so maybe that was one of the drivers.
Speaker 4:And then I hear that they are thinking about allowing yardage finders.
Speaker 3:Range finders. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Which I mean they've had it now for what? Three years at the pga there should be some.
Speaker 3:They should have some data to see you know if it's, if it's helping yeah I mean let's look at the three years before in the past three years and see if you see an improvement yeah, I, I just, I mean, I think it's just people like, I mean it's just certain individuals and it it adds up to bigger. You know, taking too much time like that video. Tom kim on six at pebble was just like ridiculous yeah, it was a minute over the ball.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was. It was brian harman level, like maybe even worse brian harman level. You know, like I, I would love to understand what he was trying to think. Like what, what was going through his mind? Like was he? Did he not feel comfortable that math?
Speaker 4:equation spinning, maybe waiting on a wind to change.
Speaker 3:Yeah, or, yeah, waiting on wind. Where did? Was he seeing tiger shot from that spot like in his head? He's like I gotta be tiger right now. You know who know who knows. But like, yeah, fucking, just hit the ball, dude, it's, it's uh, you are a professional golfer. Like you should know what you want to do how to swing the club, find ball, hit ball. It shouldn't take you a minute to hit a golf ball, because you've hit thousands and thousands and thousands over the course of your life. Like it shouldn't take you that long. And then you fucking hit a shitty ass ball.
Speaker 1:Like it makes it even worse, you know, I mean I, you know, we had a slow group in front of us at revere and I mean there was a slow group in front of them, so it didn't help. But when we played we were playing the par 5, so 12, 11, 11, and we all hit our shots up towards the green. I mean it did help us a little bit because dan chipped in for eagle, by the way, very nice. But uh, so we're all up there. Dan hadn't hit his chip shot yet and the guys are up on the t-box right, so dan was first out. He hits his chip shot. I hit my putt. Uh, comes up short, tap it in. Joe hits his putt, comes up short, taps it in. Jeremy the same thing, you know.
Speaker 1:And so all four of us played our shots, three of us multiple shots, short putts. We walked off the green, got into our car, drove to the hole and they were just leaving the t-box. It's like four guys couldn't hit t-shots in the time. It took four guys to hit one chip shot and six putts. It's like come, come on.
Speaker 3:Do you think that situation is because of how long the tour players take and they think that they can be as good as the tour players if they take their time to like, visualize and understand the shot, like, do you think that could be bleeding off into the amateur game or is is the amateur?
Speaker 3:game too serious, like oh well, we're playing for fucking tacos at the turn. Like I don't want to buy you tacos. Like at the end of the day, who really cares if I gotta buy tacos, you know? Or is there like too much pride involved in the group?
Speaker 1:like it's all of the above yeah it's just a accumulation of all of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I mean like for me, and maybe probably all of us like when we, when I go out and play with you guys, it's more to have fun. I'm not really focusing on, you know, playing well or beating whoever, or you know, of course, playing well but not performing like I would in a tournament. So it's, it's for us, it's we're fast, we hit the ball. We don't spend a lot of time looking for a ball, we just get up and tap it in. Sometimes we don't even finish a hole. But I think most people that don't play in tournaments and maybe that's their golf experience, that's they want to hit every shot or whatever.
Speaker 2:I don't know but I think we play quick, because maybe it doesn't matter when we're not playing a tournament yeah, yeah rob said it's because,
Speaker 1:90 of society has zero self-awareness outside of themselves.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but it also could be because we do play in tournaments where it does matter and then when it doesn't matter, we're just like out there to enjoy ourselves. So maybe some of those guys need to play in actual tournaments.
Speaker 1:Well, I need to. I don't know when I'm playing in tournaments I need to slow down a little. I get you know, I get a little hyped up and I'm like you know, just okay let's hit it and go so maybe not, maybe not maybe not, I know, but I'm saying because you just had a pb. Yes, maybe you need to replicate what just happened well, tell everybody. Can you go? Can you go stand back a box while I hit, please?
Speaker 3:hey, can you pretend like we play golf all the time for fun? Together uh, and then like just wait on the green so I can't hit. And then, like you know, maybe that's it I don't know, maybe you're just vibing, maybe you're just soul golfing, just having a good time and it just came out, yeah.
Speaker 1:No what was that thing that I said. This is what soul golf is to me. What was that? I don't remember, but I did just think that I can't remember. That was so funny. Yeah, no, no soul golfing for me, I care a little bit too much. Oh, new comment from a new listener.
Speaker 2:I play Paiute regularly, regularly.
Speaker 1:And when tourists take forever looking for their ball in the desert, it drives me crazy. Just drop one yes 100. Nice logo too, by the way. There, jay diddly, are you just?
Speaker 2:drop, drop a ball. You're ruining the moment. Just drop a ball, hit another one and laugh your ass off on the way to the green.
Speaker 1:Well, I think. I think what happens too is if it's a tourist that's been out there before, they're probably in their mind going. You know, last time I was out here I found like five brand-new Pro V1s. So maybe if I just look for a little bit longer I might be able to you know put $25 in my pocket.
Speaker 3:It's funny, like the the whole out of bounds losing a golf ball, like thing to me. Like you know I'll hit a, I'll hit a ball out, you know I'll be like, just drive across the line and then if we see it, we see it, if we don't, we don't. And then, like you guys are out there looking.
Speaker 1:I'm like don't worry about it, it's a fucking golf ball. Who cares? I lost four or five dollars, yeah, but you know, let's just keep it going, keep going, let's play golf, your shot on three was hilarious.
Speaker 3:He hits it, he's up, there's five bucks, yeah. And then I loaded another one. I hit it in the same spot. Luckily that wasn't a brand new one, but uh you. You know, if you're going to play golf like you're going to lose golf balls, fucking it happens. All right, like, don't spend 10 minutes looking for your brand new pro V1.
Speaker 1:If you can't afford to lose them, then don't fucking play those, I mean by the rules, you get three minutes, but I mean you got people that know where. It is like that on seven. You know I was over there.
Speaker 3:I was like I know it was up here somewhere, but it's rocking around. I, you know. No, I'm looking, don't see it. All right, I'm dropping, you know, yeah, no, I no. Yeah, I'm. I'm not one to hunt more than a minute, unless we're in a tournament. If we're in a tournament, I'll try and take the three minutes if I'm in contention. If I'm not, I'll be like it. Who cares?
Speaker 3:yeah, but, yeah, like it's a golf ball I have, like I have too many anyway, so like I need to probably get rid of some. Probably, you know more than likely, it's probably a good thing. I lost one because I have too many they're in my they're in my car fucking.
Speaker 3:Every time I stop at a stoplight I hear a golf ball hit like the fucking you know front of the seat theo has had on the way home from school today theo had five golf balls in his hand in his car seat. I'm like where did you get all these? It was under the seat, like I have too many anyway. So let's lose them when we can and if we, as long as it's not in a tournament ask him if there's a bnc down there, you can bnc yeah, I would love a bnc right now.
Speaker 1:Notebook b is hey uh get a little, buy one, get one action going on on the wheels and golf balls right now.
Speaker 3:So, jeremy, if you need to reload, let me know I could use some, but I will say, playing the 2025 Pro V1s, I did really like them, although I lost my I only brought one sleeve and I lost them by hole 12, but I thought they were great. I thought they were really good. They were really good.
Speaker 1:They're going to be a really good golf ball.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know Well, of course, miles Brown.
Speaker 1:I don't have a discount and I won't get one for you, Titus.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know Miles asks if we've ever been to the vault at Bellagio. I've never even heard of that. I know you're here this weekend, miles. I probably won't be able to hang out because it's Super Bowl weekend, which is always tough, but have you guys heard of the vault at Bellagio?
Speaker 1:Nope is always tough, but have you guys heard of the vault at pelagio? Nope, never heard of it. On the flip side, I just got the new pxg desert club.
Speaker 2:It's legit what is the? It's like a seven iron or something. Yeah, it's like a seven iron.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this is like it's like a seven iron, like stamp with like cactuses and it's just, it's designed to be like a cool rock club PSG, psg.
Speaker 1:We do club separate. We make this club like nobody else.
Speaker 4:PSG.
Speaker 1:Let's see, Miles. What is the Vault? Is that some fancy restaurant?
Speaker 3:look it up, it's probably some like michelin star.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I yeah reservation in april of last year the vault bellagio.
Speaker 4:Let's look it up um uh, speak easy or some shit I don't know, bro, it looks like a fucking edm.
Speaker 3:I don't even know there's nightclub. I'm on bellagio website and it's just like a picture of like some, like robot it's a speakeasy weirdo spot.
Speaker 1:He said speakeasy I told you yeah yeah those are popping up all over the place now speakeasy.
Speaker 3:I love speakeasies, I really do. There's a really cool one in orlando. If you're out there, it's called uh fuck what's it called? But it's like a. It's like a fake shoe repair place. It's on a rooftop. It's called like tom's foot shoe repair. You have to like call like the shoe store. Yeah, they're like. You got a call and they're like uh, hey, we can't. We can't, uh, fix your shoes currently. But if you come back at this time, you know, and say this word at this address, we might be able to help you with shoes or something.
Speaker 1:Here's some bourbon instead.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I love speakeasies Boo-bear.
Speaker 1:To completely change the subject, because we talked more than just golf on this show. Jeremy, what did you think of Silo I?
Speaker 2:haven't started it yet. I've almost started it three times.
Speaker 1:Almost started it three times.
Speaker 2:We've started the episode and then the kids need something, and then we pause it and then that just goes away. That's a shame. I thought there was three seasons that were out, but there's only two, right, only two.
Speaker 3:Only two, but they have been approved for two more.
Speaker 1:Yes, so okay yeah, uh, and other tv news I will highly recommend. Uh, paradise on hulu. Three episodes are out of that right now. It's very good and that's all I got for tv talk, unless anybody else wants anything to share I finished the caught up on Ted Lasso in like five days.
Speaker 4:I watched all three seasons. It was amazing. Good show. Love that show. So good. Trying to get into severance. I started that. I'm in the third episode right now. It's a little different and slow very different, yeah but I heard it gets a lot better, so I don't know.
Speaker 1:We'll see I was telling joe last night on the way home that uh, we canceled all our uh everything except uh hulu. We've got the hulu espn um so no netflix, no apple tv, you know no, no, I'm keeping apple tv because we have apple one and we you know the cloud storage and all that and then, of course, prime. So but uh yeah, hbo, mags, the paramounts, the peacocks, all that netflix, they're all going away.
Speaker 3:So this is funny. So, um, I was talking to juju, right, and I was like we're going to, have you ever seen, have you ever heard of Landman? And he was like, yeah, great show.
Speaker 1:And I was like no, no. It is a great show, though.
Speaker 3:He's like I love that show, it's a great show. And it's funny because Stephen just said Landman is good and then Miles says Landman is sex and then Stephen says yes. And it's so funny when you're talking to golfers because I've never watched the show Landman, but when I refer to Landman I'm talking about the golf course.
Speaker 3:So I was with Juju. I can't remember where we were, but I was like, have you ever heard a landman? He's like, yeah, great show, oh, so good. I was like, no, the golf course, uh, king collins in nebraska. He's like, oh, so I had to show him like photos. But it's, it's funny that there is a, a show and a golf course that are named almost the same thing, like land.
Speaker 3:The golf course ends with a d, but the show, yeah, does not but yeah, that was funny and yeah I can't wait to get there in august, said landman is good ed miles said, landman is sex yeah, exactly, yeah, when. When you're talking to golfers, you have to clarify, because some people don't know either, or but man?
Speaker 1:we. I can't remember where we were, but, um, oh, I think it was in. Yeah, we were in havasu and, uh, one of the guys that was doing one of the putter fittings with us, uh, he is in the oil industry, and so juju is like is the show accurate, is it close? And he's like oh yeah, oh yeah, there's some shit that goes on down there. Boy, yo, that's one you need to watch. That's a great show.
Speaker 3:I'm saving that show for the flight to Omaha. I mean I won't finish it, but that's a great show. I'm saving that show for the flight to Omaha. I mean I won't finish it, but.
Speaker 1:Good, good, yeah, good one to do, good one to do. All right, that's TV talk. We got anything else. Like I said, I got nothing tonight because I'm wiped. I got like three hours sleep.
Speaker 4:Are we excited for waste management?
Speaker 1:Always. It's going to be different this year because of how they're regulating the crowd. I don't know if we'll see the cup snake and the streakers and the drunkards falling down hills.
Speaker 3:That'll be interesting because last year was pretty bad.
Speaker 4:Last year was like the worst from the wmo oh, it was horrible did you guys hear that there was a fantasy football prop that the last place player in the league had to be the streaker at the waste management this year and they said that they are. The guy who finished last is 100 going to do it. Has found a point where he can jump a fence and has a driver on standby to make a getaway if needed like a whole elaborate plan and everything to make a getaway if needed a whole elaborate plan and everything recon.
Speaker 4:This can't be real. I was like, are you serious? Is that like literally what last place has to do for your fantasy football?
Speaker 1:it's crazy, wow you get to go to jail. I would never make you guys do that. I mean, it's funny as hell. But but, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean yeah, no way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, odyssey just showed off their new head covers for the waste management. They're cool. Everybody's going to be doing stuff, so it's kind of a big event down here in the desert southwest. The weather has been amazing down there too, so the course should be in prime.
Speaker 3:I would like to go one year. I mean, it's obviously been out of out of uh, out of their hands. Obviously last year it was like way out of their hands, like wait, it's just too much for them to handle. But they could just reel it in a little bit like I think it'd be a great event to go to. Yeah but they just it needs to be reeled in just a little you know, or make another area for fans to congregate instead of just there but what is scottsdale without the fucking stadium hall?
Speaker 3:and then, no, I understand that.
Speaker 1:But well, what's going to happen is they're going to make the prices so damn expensive to get in there that it's going to keep the riffraff out.
Speaker 3:Do you think it's really, do you think it's riffraff, though? Or do you think it's people that can afford to go that get too wasted.
Speaker 1:I think it's grown-ass men that just like getting fucked up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I don't know, I wouldn't consider that riffraff, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:It's kind of riffraffy.
Speaker 3:I think it's like dudes that like get a pass for a weekend and then they're just like let loose. I mean they're not doing, they're not out in the streets doing graffiti, or like no stealing people's purses. You know, that's what I'd consider riffraff personally, like if they're, if they're tagging trains and like taking rocks and writing their name mirrors, you know that's riffraff, you know, you got a rock outside in and out. I'm gonna carve my name in their mirror in the bathroom.
Speaker 1:That's riffraff, I went yeah I didn't know, that's how they do that.
Speaker 3:Good, good nice job, joe, thanks, yes, yeah, I learned that in high school adolescent flashbacks for joe yeah, that's riffraff that is.
Speaker 4:That is riffraff, but in the in the golf space.
Speaker 1:They're kind of riffraffy. You know, just I I get it. I'm not opposed to anybody drinking, don't get me wrong. One too many.
Speaker 3:Nicola Voltras. You know, don't give them a couple of IPAs, they'll turn into some Bobbies, you know? Yeah, roberts, a bunch of Roberts out here, bunch of Roberts.
Speaker 1:All right so we got waste management coming out, go ahead.
Speaker 3:Speaking of, I would love to see the riffraff at waste management open and then two ipa deep bobby policing it. I think that'd be a great show oh, I'd pay for that. That, that would be a great pay-per-view robert as a security security guard after like two or three IPAs at waste management.
Speaker 1:That would be hilarious.
Speaker 3:And Miles says that core sucks. Yeah, it's nothing without the fucking. It's nothing without the stands. The stands make Scottsdale. It's not worth the price tag I would never pay. When I was there, I think it was five or six hundred, what? No thank you.
Speaker 4:That's how much it is to pay TPC Scottsdale right now.
Speaker 3:I don't know when I was there, it's like five hundred bucks in the winter time, in the winter time, winter time no stands, no, nothing and the same.
Speaker 2:This ain't 1985 anymore yeah, it used to be like 200, 250 and then it just like doubled look on, look on golf now and uh see for next week, what uh, what the rates are oh, let's see a book of tea time.
Speaker 4:I'm right here at the speaking of, I saw a.
Speaker 3:I saw a video today on instagram and it was like a bunch of dudes saying like what's the top three most expensive tea times you can get, and they were like, oh, plantation course. I mean you, you're not wrong, you guys On.
Speaker 4:February 19th, 7.30 tea time. It's $493 to $519. Wow.
Speaker 2:But you're saving $60.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you're saving $60. There's a $579 at $840.
Speaker 1:$579 at $840. $579?.
Speaker 4:Holy shit.
Speaker 1:Miles said he paid $350 the Monday after in 22.
Speaker 2:I mean it'd be cool if the stands and everything were there, but yeah, the. Monday after you'd be half taken down the Monday after You're going to get cocaine or something like that.
Speaker 3:If you've never played it, theay after the tournament for 350 I could see that if you've never played it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's solid. I did book it the day before.
Speaker 2:I'll say I don't know. I'd take that 600 bucks and split it across three other courses.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I'd go play Southern Pines six times. That's what I would do. Or you buy a flight and then you play Southern Pines three times, then go play North Las.
Speaker 1:Vegas Par three is a 10 ball, 40 times Exactly.
Speaker 3:That's like two days abandoned, yeah that is a I mean, it's the, it's what we're living right now it's also bucket list kind of stuff, you know, like it's cool.
Speaker 1:I mean you know it's got the iconic hole, so yeah I mean, I heard that they were they were gonna just figure some way to leave the stands up year round, just to add to the ambience, because people are upset that they go there and pay and it's just a boring ass yeah, yeah, they should do that.
Speaker 3:They should just leave it up. Um, so yeah, regarding that instagram video, I saw you guys know I I would be upset if you guys didn't know the order of the most expensive golf courses, one through three. Can I get your thoughts?
Speaker 1:on that Shadow Pebble.
Speaker 3:Arbortown.
Speaker 2:Shadow Wynn. It's got to be up there, but it wasn't on their list.
Speaker 3:In the USA. In the USA, Shadow Wynn and TPC Sawgrass win is. It's got to be up there, but it wasn't on their list for in the usa.
Speaker 2:in the usa oh, so I got shadow win and tpc sawgrass is it whistling straight? Oh yeah, sawgrass shadow first win second, tpc sawgrass third or tpc and uh, win are like the same price, are they 750? I I'm asking you for your that's. I mean I saw the lit, I saw the guy's post about it and win was not on there and I know that's more than one of the courses that he said.
Speaker 3:So yeah, what did you say, matt?
Speaker 1:you said shadow, shadow uh, pebble, uh, and then I would probably go sawgrass okay.
Speaker 3:And then you said jeremy shadow win sawgrass and then matt or dan. Sorry, um, I know you gotta know well you hadn't seen, yet they're both wrong. They're both wrong. They're both wrong.
Speaker 4:But if you had to guess one, two, three most expensive golf courses in the united states, public courses public courses I'm gonna go you have to know this no, I don't know I'm gonna go shadow pebble pinehurst. Shadow pebble sawgrass bro that's what I said.
Speaker 3:Shadow Sawgrass Pebble when in 750.
Speaker 4:I had to go 1, 2, 3.
Speaker 3:Sawgrass is.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I went 1, 3, 2.
Speaker 3:When in 750, when did that happen? I think it's been like that for a year.
Speaker 1:When Shadow jumped their rates up to 1,000.
Speaker 3:Pebble jumped them up, but his sawgrass is like 950 yeah, that's what are you serious?
Speaker 2:I thought it was 650.
Speaker 4:No, it's nine, it's like 950 now trump turnberry is now the most expensive course in the world.
Speaker 1:That's the one over.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's like $1,300, $1,200 Kiowa $630, what'd you pay?
Speaker 3:Dan Miles says worst value, $630 two years ago now.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but I got it part of a package.
Speaker 3:I think my total was like $500 or $550 when I paid for it worst value so what is the, the bet, the, the like you felt the most comfortable paying for that golf course and the experience that you got out of it, like was it 80 and I felt like it was the shit. Was it 300? And I was like I'd pay that again in a heartbeat. What course would that be?
Speaker 2:for me, it's the ones abandoned like all you guys.
Speaker 3:So you paid 300, 350 for packed dunes and you'd be like automatic.
Speaker 2:I'd do that again I would pay it again yeah I would pay that again. Um, I would, and trails and trails. I would pay that for trails too. I don't know if I would pay that for the others, though. The best deal, what was?
Speaker 3:the best deal you ever got that's what I'm saying Best deal you've ever got, like I paid $100, $150, or $80 for this course and it's worth way more.
Speaker 1:I think when I played Princeville-Mackay I think it was only like $100, $110, or something like that which I thought that was just an unbelievable golf course for for that price. But I played capilou when it was cheap too, though, but that was, that was 10 years ago I'll tell you mine the the greatest 85 I've ever spent on a golf course.
Speaker 3:And if I could lock this in for a lifetime and I would pay it every day of my entire life, southern pines, every day, I'd pay 85 without a heartbeat. Every day in my entire life I'd throw 85 down and fucking play southern pines every day of my life for 85 bucks best deal I've ever had in golf, I think walked into pebble two months into covid for 550. That's a deal now yeah, you've got to be making a lot of money to pay. 550 every day, but 85 bucks at southern pines yeah, that's well.
Speaker 1:You know revere. I said before you know revere was 19 bucks after three o'clock in the summertime, that I mean you just can't beat that.
Speaker 2:Um, those days are gone I mean even playing piute for 60 bucks, when we would play there. Oh yeah, I would do that. I would do that every day right now. I would try not to play every day.
Speaker 3:Right now, I would drive out to.
Speaker 1:Paiute every day for $60.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I would do that for sure, when I first got here, I was under 18 when I first moved to Vegas and TPC Vegas was $5 to walk for juniors 18 and under.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:And then I used to pay $15 to play Industry Hills, to walk. So I'd say for me probably the quality of golf course, for what little I paid, was that. I mean, I've been comped at some pretty exclusive clubs, like when I played Shadow I didn't pay. When I played Whispering Pines I didn't play. They're all private and shit like that.
Speaker 1:But yeah, for quality of golf, golf course for a little amount I paid tbc, tbc canyons at the time, and uh, industry hills, all right, so let's flip it you'll never pay it again yo, yeah, I gotta think about that one dude, tory pines.
Speaker 2:What did tory pines was 40. For us that was. That was 100.
Speaker 3:That's the normal price for us. Yep, tory pines, I don't I like.
Speaker 1:I love tory pines we were just talking about going back I know I love tory pines.
Speaker 3:if everybody decided to go back to tory pines I would go, but like I don't ever have to play that golf course again and I'll be fine, yeah. But if everybody goes, yeah, I want to go, I'll pay it, but I don't ever have to see that golf course ever again in my life.
Speaker 1:I can never play Wolf Creek again, and I would be completely fine with that. But I want to play Torrey again, for sure.
Speaker 3:but I want to play Torrey again, for sure, see. But I think I think Wolf Creek is obviously video game golf right, yes, god. But Wolf Creek is more interesting than Torrey Pines. I think it's more interesting, there's more intricacies to it. Like tory pines is, skinny fairways, thick, rough, fast greens on the ocean, I'd rather go play fucking sheep ranch all day like I don't have to play tory pines ever again. If you guys go, I want to go, of course, but like what about?
Speaker 1:you.
Speaker 4:Dan, it's Kew Island for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, not worth it.
Speaker 4:No, not for that price point. It's a great course, it's fun, but yeah, I'm one and done there, jeremy, what about you?
Speaker 2:I also paid like 80 bucks to play Wolf Creek. I paid 40. I mean, that was a, I would say 40 oh. You didn't even pay and you don't want to go back.
Speaker 1:No desire to go back to that place. You would not come play Wolf.
Speaker 3:Creek again for free.
Speaker 1:Not when Conestoga and Coyote Springs and Oasis is out there. No, it's not golf. To me it's just stupid.
Speaker 3:But if it was free, you'd rather go pay to play. That's how much you hate it.
Speaker 1:I mean, if I'm going to drive the hour and a half to Mesquite, I'm going to go play golf at a place I want to play golf at.
Speaker 2:But what if we all chipped in and got you a birthday round at Wolf?
Speaker 1:Creek and we all played together. Let's go.
Speaker 2:Okay, so you would play it again April 27th Under the right circumstances.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I'm just talking about for the value that, what they charged, and the golf course, that's one I would have no problem never paying to play there again. Free changes, everything, I'll go play north as big as par three for free. I mean, that's guys golf jeremy, what are you, what's yours?
Speaker 2:I I'm not really sure. I mean. The most expensive I paid was Harbortown and that was 500 bucks, but it's a course I've always wanted to play since I was young, so I don't know if I would pay 500 bucks again.
Speaker 4:It's like a 350.
Speaker 3:That's great. That's what's so funny, man. We, we're like memory collectors, really.
Speaker 1:you know, we're memory collectors oh, speaking of sorry, joe, this just came to my head. Yeah, so cyrus, you know we give cyrus shit because he does not like coyote springs, yeah, so I gotta.
Speaker 1:I'll read this text so you guys can laugh. We love cy Cyrus. Cyrus is awesome, but he sent me a text the other day because we haven't played golf in a while and he said I played Valley High for the first time last Friday. What a fun course. I really liked it. It's like you can't win with him. He hates Coyote Springs, loves him. Some Valley High.
Speaker 3:I would rather pay 80 for coyote springs every day than 200 earth, whatever they're charging oh, that's an over even if, even if they charged 80 for valley high, I'd play coyote springs 9.9 times out of 10, and that's because I wouldn, because I wouldn't want to drive that day the drive home is so nice from Bali, it's really nice. Miles said Kewa sucks.
Speaker 1:What is it about that? The ocean course.
Speaker 2:Which one did you say Dan?
Speaker 4:Kewa Island Ocean Course. I wouldn't say it sucks. I mean the course is still, you know, it's still challenging. But yeah, for that price point you would expect to be blown away and you're really not. You don't really get blown away until like the last like, maybe like five holes, the five holes that are on the water, yeah, but other than that it's you know, kiwa island and the other four courses that are there at that are very similar. It's like playing sun and snow, very similar. And yeah, I mean the trip wasn't too bad, I think, like for like the three days that we were there with a lodging and all that shit was like was like $1,400 or $1,500. So it wasn't bad to play five courses and have all that lodging there. But yeah, solo ocean course at what's the price right now? $700?.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like $650. Yeah, no, $700? Wow.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm good on that.
Speaker 2:How much do you guys pay at Tobacco Road?
Speaker 4:Oh, we paid I think it was like $100. 90 bucks yeah 95.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the steal I mean for that course.
Speaker 4:that's totally worth it right For price point-wise, and the quality of golf courses that we played. That was one of the best trips, yeah.
Speaker 1:Southern.
Speaker 4:Pines was sick, pine Needles was sick, mid Pines was sick. It was cheap. We got blessed with good weather, that was fucking sick.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was a hell of a deal.
Speaker 2:What are the peak season?
Speaker 4:though Double, I don't think much more than that. I mean, obviously they're more, but Probably around $200, $250, $60 more.
Speaker 3:I think they're around $200.
Speaker 1:Golfo is asking do you think Black Desert worth it for the money?
Speaker 4:No, what's it at right now, is it?
Speaker 1:$250. Right now it's $250 plus caddy. I think it's $350 now, isn't 250 right now it's 250 plus caddy. I think it's 350, isn't it? I that I thought they were going up to 350 once the resort opened, because then it's a stay and play only. That was supposed to be after the pga tour was there, but I don't know if that has taken place yet. 350 plus caddy, yeah, and you have to stay there. Go to, possibly.
Speaker 2:I would say it's a 200 golf course, I mean at most to you know, honestly, like right now it's so $200 golf course. At most, honestly, like right now it's so new too, like you're not, it's still growing.
Speaker 1:I mean, once everything's done there, it's going to be sick to go stay there and play and hang out for a couple days. Might be worth it, but yeah, just to show up and play. I mean it's one of those. You need to play it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it is visually pretty stunning, mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:Miles said uh, Miles said sleeper Royal New Camp.
Speaker 4:Strands baby.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't think a lot of people know that course or Stonehouse. But Virginia, gotta get to Virginia. Oh, I'm saying we gotta Virginia. Virginia gotta get to virginia, oh I'm saying we gotta get I go to virginia my sister's only gonna be living there for a couple more years. Maybe we should go out there and, yeah, let's go to virginia we, you know, I gotta do, we gotta find a way on bulls bay. And then what's the one in sacramento, dan? Um I forget the name Golden.
Speaker 4:Shores, no, not Golden Shores.
Speaker 3:We're talking Mike Strand's horses. I know, I know Royal New Kent, yeah, royal New Kent man. But True Blue is like the baby cousin of Tobacco Road and people don't know. I mean, it's a flatter Tobacco Road but Tobacco Road, people don't know. It's a flatter Tobacco Road but Tobacco Road has blown up Tobacco Road's fun. It's so good.
Speaker 1:All the good courses are gonna.
Speaker 3:There's too many. There's too many out there. That's why I can't wait to get the van and find them all yeah. Yeah, it's coming. Yeah, yeah, it's coming.
Speaker 1:All right, that's going to do it for this week's episode. It's just casual golf chat this week. I loved it. Thanks everybody for tuning in.
Speaker 3:Visionaries.
Speaker 1:Golf visionaries All right, Joe wrap it up oh hey thanks from colorado hang on driving from colorado to play sand hollow. And one more course this next week. Don't go to sand hollow, go to um copper rock, you'll enjoy it better sand hollow.
Speaker 3:Copper rock, copper Rock, if you've never played.
Speaker 1:Sand Hollow. Of course you have to play it. But go play Copper Rock, Don't play Sky Mountain.
Speaker 3:And one more course, he said, and one more course Play Coral. Canyon, coral Canyon is turned around a lot yeah, and then that looked really good when we were there.
Speaker 1:The ledge is just up too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Sand Hollow is overrated.
Speaker 1:Uh, personally, well, there's like personally, personally, I said personally I and I'm giving you shit for saying that, but if you're in the area you have to play san jolo.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, I've never played it you have to play it absolutely play it and then afterwards you can go they were right yeah, but it's, I love that front nine. I, I really enjoy that front nine. You do yes. Yeah, I've said this before I like that. I like the first hole and I like the ninth hole and then I like the second hole, I like the third hole, the second hole, I think is four or five, four, five six the dog leg is about. I like eight nine.
Speaker 4:Eight nine is good, I think the par three is kind of this is why I don't know how you guys can remember holes like that I couldn't tell you what the whole argument looks like, except for the one that's on the cliff, if you've never played, if you've never played golf in St George.
Speaker 3:You have to play San Paolo, because if you tell people you were there and you didn't play San Paolo, they'll be like why didn't you play San Paolo? So go play San Paolo.
Speaker 1:Don't wear white shoes and don't wear white socks and don't wear white pants.
Speaker 3:If Black Desert is the same price as Copper Rock, go play Black Desert. If Copper Rock is cheaper than Black copper rock, go play black desert. If copper rock is cheaper than black desert, go play copper rock, there you go.
Speaker 1:But I mean, if you're traveling, you've never been there. You got to play, you have to play desert, you have to play san jolo, you have to play black desert and then play copper rock yeah, yeah, but you have to I mean I I think the views are better at at black desert than san jolo you have to.
Speaker 3:I mean, I think the views are better at.
Speaker 1:Black Desert than San Holo Opinions. Thanks, david DJ Jake.
Speaker 2:That's debatable.
Speaker 1:I just enjoy the scenery much more around Black.
Speaker 3:Desert.
Speaker 1:It's just. And the lava and the rolling hills and all that. It's definitely a different. Yeah, san jolo to me is three holes on a cliff side that are, holy crap, unbelievable, and then some red dirt around a flat golf course, except for holes one and nine we are.
Speaker 1:We are faced with a lot of opinions in this world and you can you can believe someone's opinions or you cannot believe someone's opinions but hey, golfo, if you are going to play san halo, make sure to go play the nine hole links course, because it is very fun and they got a cool little pitch and putt too right next.
Speaker 3:But also, if it's your first time playing there, you have to play san jolo.
Speaker 1:You have to if it's your first time there, I agree you have to like I said, and then afterwards you can go fuck, he was right, shouldn't have played it, yeah, but if copy rock, copper rock, is cheaper than black desert.
Speaker 3:black desert might be a doper course, but it's too expensive. I think If Copper Rock is cheaper, value for money is Copper Rock, because it is a better designed course in my opinion.
Speaker 1:Copper.
Speaker 3:Yeah, with less dramatic views, but it still has great views. Black Desert, you're paying for dramatic, dramatic views, but it still has great views. Yeah, black Desert, you're paying for dramatic, like vivid, you know. So it depends on what you value. That's the thing. Do you value golf? You go play Copper Rock. If you value vivid visuals, you go play Black Desert Boom.
Speaker 1:Easy. And if you play Black Desert, look out for the rocks because they will make you fall.
Speaker 3:Yeah, do not search for people who die there. I've seen people almost die out there.
Speaker 1:Don't climb lava looking for golf balls. Just let it go, let it go All right. Now, Joe, take it away.
Speaker 3:Thanks for tuning in to Chase the Daylight Podcast, episode 312. A lot of opinions here. If you have an opinion, send it our way and we probably won't have the same opinion as you do, but we would be glad to debate you in a debate on national television if you can organize that.
Speaker 3:But anyway, we are here every single week. Happy Tuesday, hope you got some tacos. Be a visionary. Go out there and find yourself and discover what you can become. We are the Chasing Daylight Podcast. We've been becoming this for 312 episodes and we're here every single week. We love golf. We love you. Listeners. See you next week, miles, hit me up, lotus and Siam. Until next week. Miles, hit me up. Lotus is I am uh. Until next week. Later. Enjoy the super bowl later. Outro Music.
