316: The Rise of Cool Golf

The episode dives into how golf is evolving in response to a growing player base and rising costs. We explore the implications of what it means for both seasoned players and newcomers. 

- Discussing rising golf prices and their impact 
- Analyzing the shift in golfer demographics post-COVID 
- How local courses are adapting to increased demand 
- The role of online retail in shaping golf culture today 
- Exploring community-driven golf events and forecasts 
- Reflections on memorable golfing experiences 
- Insights into the future of golf as a popular sport 
- The widening gap between local courses and exclusive destinations 
- Sharing personal anecdotes from players about the new golfing environment 

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Transcript

Introduction to Today’s Chat

Speaker 1 0:22

what is up? Everybody Chasing Daylight Podcast, episode 316.

Speaker 2 0:32

Smoothie with cream cheese on your bagel.

Speaker 1 0:36

A bean and cheese burrito. It's Roberto's day. What's up, everybody, welcome. Welcome to another episode of the chasing daylight podcast. Uh man, what a what a weird weekend we had here in vegas absolutely beautiful skies, beautiful weather, and then the wind decided to come in and fuck it all up. So yeah, it was a little wild out there on Sunday. Saturday was beautiful. Julie and I had some fun fitting some people at Dragon Ridge, rio Seco and the Summit. Joe's doing the robot.

Speaker 3 1:24

Shappelle show, shappelle, show, chappelle, show he's doing the Chappelle robot.

Speaker 1 1:30

How are y'all doing this evening Very?

Speaker 4 1:34

well, we're good. Yeah we're good, doing good.

Speaker 1 1:36

Doing good. Oh, oh oh. No more ducks, no more ducks. So a little bit going on in the golf world, we'll get to some things. You know Tiger's not going to make the TGL playoffs and he's not playing in the Arnold Palmer Big signature event this weekend at Bay Hill. Tgl was on. Tiger again was mishitting irons over the green. Yeah, not a good look for him. Uh, we got maddie g coming up later with the forecast because we have a vgn event this weekend out at boulder city municipal golf course or boulder city golf course yeah, jake.

Beautiful Weekend in Vegas

Speaker 3 2:18

I don't know if you guys saw that little video, jake, because he's tied in with drive box and uh bay club and he he posted a little video where he was like we're gonna play the holes, we're gonna play a couple tgl holes, the the simulator runs a little hot, so I'm gonna try and hold back a little bit.

Speaker 1 2:37

So interesting yeah maybe they need to use a softer compression golf ball. Maybe they need to use a softer compression golf ball.

Speaker 3 2:46

Yeah, they need to recalculate their formulas and get it better get it right get it right no

Speaker 1 2:56

uh, let's see we got some comments coming in already. Sup mo foes, that was me. Yeah, we know, juju. Uh, thanks everybody for tuning in and if you're on instagram, thank you so much. If you're on youtube, you know you get to see little comments like this when you, when you comment, we'll throw you up on the screen. We're also live on x right now. Uh, maybe everybody I don't know is. Is uh trump still talking?

Speaker 1 3:22

it was, he was, uh, he was going on for a while, um, so I don't know if he's still talking or not, but uh, that was kind of a weird thing going on, with him addressing, uh, the nation and nobody on the, uh, left side of the aisle, I think. I don't even think they wanted to be there, tell you the truth. So it was, it was a little little odd, so, um, so let's see where. Where shall we start? One of the topics I want to get to tonight and and we can either lead off with this or we get into it later um, some of the other things tonight uh, bryson and brooksie, and we have a new event on the schedule for the VGN that was locked in today, so we'll get to that.

Speaker 1 4:07

But the thing that is a hot topic for us and a lot of people that live in towns that have a lot of touristy golf, golf is full, it's full and it's starting. You know, we blame covid for a long time and I mean, there's still covid. Golf golfers uh, jeremy had an experience with one at revere, uh, that, uh, you know, walked into the, the, the doors at revere with his bag on his shoulder and was knocking shit off shelves, and you know, just ah it's yeah, um, so you know the the, the prices right now are insane.

Speaker 1 4:52

Uh, we got uh another quote. We're trying to fill an event at the end of september and it's tough because the courses out here are overseeding that time of the year that oversee. The courses that oversee are overseeding that's of the year that oversee, the courses that overseed are overseeding. That's why we go to coyote springs each year, because they don't oversee. So trying to find another facility to host an event in september is kind of difficult. But we're trying to pack in as many events during the nice weather as we can to avoid having excessive events when it's crazy hot out.

Speaker 3 5:24

Look, there's just too many fucking people playing golf right now. There's too many people yeah, that's why we're number 3 000 on uh sand valley's waitlist to play yeah, did that change at all?

Speaker 1 5:37

I haven't looked, but I haven't looked in a couple of days it's like we're 3200.

Speaker 3 5:41

I mean, wow, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 5:44

Yeah, so, um, you know. So we re, we reached out and and just for, I mean, I was appalled at the price that came back. Um, and you know I'll, I'll be kind enough to not mention the course, cause I don't want anybody bashing.

Speaker 3 6:01

I'll say it anybody bashing, I'll say it.

Speaker 1 6:04

I'll say it, tell them, joe um, but it was, it was just ridiculous, it was it was way too much money for a tournament round. Uh, you know, because we have you gotta throw the purse money in there and you gotta throw the credit card fees in there, you know, and it it ends up putting putting it over 200 for a round of golf, for a tournament, and you know, and I just, I just couldn't do it. So, uh, but like everywhere right now, prices are insane, man. Uh, coyote springs rates which you know it used to be.

Speaker 3 6:37

You know it used to be a good deal.

Speaker 1 6:39

Yeah, it's up now um, the local, the, the good great out at piute is super high right now. Um, and you know, desert pines is not gonna be around forever.

Speaker 1 6:53

That's another course that's going away and you know there's only the rest of the courses, yeah there's only three months left of bears best before it goes private, and so you know we're losing holes every month. It seems like more. It's going on and the golf courses right now are, and I mean it's a business so I get it, but they're all going shit. Let's just keep seeing how much we can get you know, we'll just keep jacking it up until people don't pay it. Rango hills is still there. Thanks, maddie void. Yeah, I think it would. I thought it would stop by now.

Speaker 3 7:32

You know like it's. It's. It's crazy how long this has lasted. Um, it's expensive. And when I tell people I'm playing golf, they like you know I play every weekend or I don't play every weekend anymore. But you know, like my, my sales know I play every weekend or I don't play every weekend anymore. But you know, like my, my sales manager at work is like, oh, I don't have the money to do that. And thankfully we, you know, have intertwined ourselves into the community and we, we can play for a little bit cheaper than people are paying, you know. So we get a little, we get a little discount here and there, not all the time, but when we do, you know it's appreciated. And uh, it's expensive. Man, it's just like my top always was 80 dollars, like you know, yeah, that was like stretching, you know?

Speaker 1 8:19

now, that's where you got to start yeah, exactly that's where you start jc vegas 11 on instagram so that was just in arizona and every course there was over 100 bucks and they're charging, and they're charging water too.

Speaker 3 8:32

They're charging people for water there now the thing about arizona is it's super like uh, time of year, specific, like if if you were there in summer it'd probably be 60 80 bucks because people don't like to play in the heat. So yeah, because people don't like to play in the heat.

Speaker 1 8:46

Yeah, but people don't like to play in the heat here either, and the prices are still jacked up.

Speaker 3 8:50

Well, we haven't seen the prices here this year yet, when it's super hot. But Arizona is dependent on the golf courses.

The Golfing Reality Check: Prices Rising

Speaker 1 8:59

Arizona has a lot more golf courses than us too, though I mean and they don't have that much, many more people.

Speaker 3 9:08

They used to have way more people than us, but we're catching. But arizona is a fair weather like destination, like all those people from northeast are coming down to phoenix and playing, so they're getting the high prices, but when summer is in full effect and it's 120 degrees, they're going to be up there playing.

Speaker 1 9:21

Uh, marion and yeah cricket club I mean there's still, there's still five, four and a half five million people in the phoenix valley, so it's not like it's only transient.

Speaker 3 9:32

Yeah, but I mean most of them aren't going to be sweating it out at 120 degrees, you know so it'll be cheaper in the summer. Cheaper in the summer than it is right now is what I'm saying. It's definitely cheaper in the summer in arizona than it is right now oh yeah, of course it's cheaper here too, but it's not.

Speaker 1 9:50

It's not like what it used to be miles, asked what we charged for the piute event for 36 holes it was like it was 350 right, 350 I think, because I got the I had the flyer over there it was $350, but that also got you some raffle tickets, a lot of amazing giveaways, a ton of shit that we were giving away Good walk coffee. The swag bag was over $300 value.

Speaker 3 10:23

As an out-of-towner, currently you cannot play two rounds at Paiute for less than $250.

Speaker 5 10:30

Maybe $500.

Speaker 3 10:32

Yeah, I think it's $240. I think it's $240 as an out-of-towner. Crazy Golf is full.

Speaker 1 10:42

It's full. I'm wondering what's it going to max out at? How much more is it going to go before? People are like, okay, Because it used to be, golf was an exclusive sport only for the rich and wealthy people. And then there was this big push include everybody, Make it inclusive. Everybody can play golf. It doesn't matter rich, poor, no clubs, jeans, Just come on and play golf. Now everybody is playing so much that there's one. There's no times that it's you know, there's one, there's no times.

Speaker 1 11:40

All these destination places. Robbie sent me a great tweet on X about somebody that was saying you know, the destination resorts are all going to these lotteries and it's impossible to get tea times. And you got to look two and a half years out to go to a place that you, that not, that's not inclusive, that's that's exclusive. You know you have to be lucky, you know it's. It's easier right now it seems to win the lottery, to go to the gut, to go to the masters, than it is to get a tee time at sand valley. It's just crazy yeah, I think.

Speaker 3 12:02

I think the main thing is golf has become cool. It's not like golf has become inclusive, golf has become cool. I mean, that's what we're looking at, am I?

Speaker 1 12:17

wrong.

Speaker 3 12:19

Golf is now cool. It's not the stuffy old man sport anymore.

Speaker 1 12:28

It's. Golf is now cool, yeah, but you look at the, the people that are going to these destination resorts, that get the times, that have the money to do it. It's not us, it's not joe average golfer, it's people that have money, like the bannon house. You know that's yeah that's, that's money uh getting to go to, uh you know, all these pristine prime destination places yeah, but it's cool to go to those places now.

Speaker 3 12:54

It never was cool before. Now it's cool to go to those places. It's cool to travel for golf. It's cool to play golf. That's the thing. Golf has become cool, yeah it's definitely.

Speaker 2 13:06

It's definitely in high demand and it's kind of at this point, it doesn't even matter if it's like a resort golf or public golf. Like you're good, you're not going to get a tee time anywhere no it's, it's, it's tough to get it abandoned.

Golf's Transformation Post

Speaker 2 13:20

And I mean, let's face it, you can play bandon year round. But let's face it, the four months, you know that's the prime months, those are going to go out first. Same with sand valley. You know, like you're not, you get six months of play, maybe if you're lucky. And when you have such sick, sick resorts like that, with awesome golf courses and golf being in such demand as it is, you know they're gonna, they're gonna max out. They're like, yeah, we're be open for six months but we're going to make a year's worth of money because we know the product that we got and these people are going to pay it hand over fist because they know what's there at sand Valley. So you know if, if you have money and you're, you can have a group of guys and you can go, right now these people are just, you know they're selling out quick and it sucks because, you're right, it's not for the average Joe.

Speaker 2 14:05

But you know just, golf's just in high demand and, joe, I agree with you, golf is cool because now you see like literally everybody, everybody playing it Basketball players, baseball players, hockey players, celebrities, people you would never even think of. You know everybody's golfing. You know it's literally for all walks of you know they're everybody's golfing. You know it's literally for all walks of life now. So it's cool. You know it's riding a big wave. You just gotta jump.

Speaker 1 14:31

You gotta jump in when you get a time and go I was chatting with my wife, uh, about how landman sells out all their t-times in a day for the year, and she was like what, what are you talking about? And I said, yeah, that's, that's what's going on, that she goes, so she goes, so all their tea times for the entire year they sell in january and it's gone, say yep, and I. And that's happening all over the place. And and lottery says she was shocked, absolutely shocked.

Speaker 1 15:10

So I don't even know if, like, everybody is aware that that type of stuff is going on. I, you know, we're, we're kind of a weird group, cause, you know, we're golf lunatics, we're nuts, we, we like to travel and go to these places and do it. So it hits home for us. But I mean, how many people do you think if you ask at the range at National on a Tuesday afternoon, how many people do you think would know that there's a lottery system, get tee times for Bandon, or there's a six-hour window to get Landman tickets in January for August. That's the thing abandoned. Or there's, you know, a six-hour window to get landman tickets in january for august?

Speaker 3 15:47

that's the thing I think for us, like we're sickos, right, you know, and um it's.

Speaker 3 15:52

It's like we've I mean personally, right, like.

Speaker 3 15:56

So back in the day I was into like underground hip-hop and I never wanted to share the secrets.

Speaker 3 16:01

I mean, obviously I've gotten older and like I'll share my knowledge with anyone, but the average person doesn't know what's out there, right, like they don't understand architects or clubs or Don White or national customs or land man, right, they see sawgrass pebble, they see all these things right, and what sucks is like us that really love the game and respect it for what it is and have always understood that it's cool and it's cool because of x. We got all these people coming in that don't really understand what what it is, and I feel like that's where, like it's tough for me, like I'm always, I'm always gonna welcome someone in and spread my knowledge, right and and conversate with them, but like it's always hard when they don't understand what's actually out there. And if they're a true lover of the game, like I love that if they really understand what's happening. But, but I forget where I was going. But yeah, the average person on the range at Nationals is not going to understand what the potential of the game is and how deep they can go.

Speaker 2 17:15

You know what I mean. Yeah.

Speaker 1 17:17

Miles.

Speaker 2 17:18

They hear Landman on the range, they think you're talking about the TV show. Exactly, yeah, and I told people we're going.

Speaker 3 17:24

They're like, oh, I haven't watched that show yet, I want to you know, and it's just crazy miles.

Speaker 1 17:29

That landman is only open for two times for five months or so, including private events. Banded 365, yeah, and bannon also has, you know, five full courses, two short courses, and you know there's a lot to do there. So the demand that a lot of people out there yeah, I mean, can you imagine if Landman had four other courses there?

Speaker 3 17:49

so I mean, just a matter of time probably what I'm saying is like a lot of respect to the people that have come into the game since COVID, that have really dived in and understood what the game is, what it can be and where it can take you yeah, I just want them all to quit go go play pickleball. Yeah, I mean I would love. I would love a 25 twilight round. Uh, that's not happening anytime sooner anymore dude I would be all over that right now.

Speaker 3 18:24

I would love a non-lottery system at bandit you imagine 25 twilight round right now.

Speaker 1 18:32

that's, that's what people don't understand. That used to be a thing. Yeah, that used to be a thing. You go play the horse for 20 bucks after three or Revere was that, you know.

Speaker 3 18:45

19 after three I used to play Chimera every weekend for $25 at 1230.

Speaker 1 18:51

Yeah, every weekend Gosh. Yeah, you should probably find out like what those? Rates are now just call and find out hey, what's your twilight rate on?

Speaker 3 19:03

saturday what's that? I think it was 80, I think I looked earlier oh my god uh triple for chimera yeah, because I was, uh, I was kid free on saturday and I was like looking, I was like maybe I should just go, and I was looking, I was like, nope, wow, it was yeah jeremy, do some digging, see what you can find well, nowadays it's like you go to book a tea time for next weekend and the only thing you know, yeah exactly yeah, there's nothing there, or there's no twilight, it's just 2 50 pm.

Speaker 4 19:37

That's it.

Speaker 3 19:37

That's the same rate yeah it's crazy man, golf is cool how?

The Demand for Tee Times: What's Happening?

Speaker 1 19:43

how long do you think it's gonna last? How long do you think is miles of the recessions coming, which we'll see? But I mean, we're as crazy as golf is right now. I mean, we're seeing more indoor simulators in vegas, which I'm happy that that is taking place, because, ed, you know, there was none, five, I think five iron there was a place I was first right no, no, there was a place um over near, like allegiant, in the in over there.

Speaker 1 20:17

There was an indoor place there um that. I went um long time ago and and saw I can't remember what it's called um, but it didn't remember that, yeah, it didn't stay open for very long, um, and then I think that, that was pretty much it um five five.

Speaker 3 20:37

Iron was the first to like actually do it in vegas like yeah to to have a facility, you know.

Speaker 1 20:42

But uh, golf stop, you know, shout out, golf stop. Uh, places like that are popping up all over the place. But uh, what's wild too and Jeremy can attest to this because he chatted us about it in a text message the retail stores I mean. Basically now in town here we have Dick's, two Golf Galaxies, a couple of Dick's PGA Superstore, a couple of Dick'sicks and the Las Vegas Golf Superstore. For a town of you got a couple of dicks. We got a couple of dicks over here.

Speaker 4 21:22

Several dicks out here.

Speaker 2 21:24

Several dicks out here. It's Aloha Golf considered in there.

Speaker 1 21:27

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, they are more training facility but yeah, well, I think that's more fitting and custom.

Speaker 2 21:34

Lessons. I've never been in there so I'm not sure, but also the thing with affordable launch monitors too.

Speaker 3 21:45

That's a whole other thing too.

Speaker 1 21:47

Yeah, but the retail stores are trash right now. I mean you go in, they're empty, there's no employees. God forbid you have a question about anything. There's like the new releases that are on the rack. The shoe selection is horrible, the clothes clothes. I mean they have gutted so many racks of clothing now it's. It's crazy and you would think, with it booming, that the retail places would be booming as well. It's just it's not.

Speaker 4 22:28

I think the superstore the las vegas golf superstore, I think is the busiest Golf Galaxy total goes down. Pga Store is semi-busy but I think the area is a good area for it.

Speaker 1 22:42

Swing Point's a spot too, but that's appointment only now with Jason, it's not.

Speaker 3 22:47

Shut up Swing Point.

Speaker 4 22:48

Great spot yeah.

Speaker 1 22:52

But it's not a place you can just go hit.

Speaker 3 22:54

No, sorry, I mean yeah and it's just what jeremy's saying is like. It just goes to like the fact that you just order everything online nowadays too I mean brick and mortar itself is almost done, you know yeah that.

Speaker 1 23:15

But I'm just surprised, you know I'm, I, you would think, with nobody having any t times, the, the, the courses are full, the golf is blowing up, uh, and the, the retail spots, yeah, are, are terrible, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 23:33

Well, that's, that's another thing that goes down that's another thing with golf becoming cool. Like the cool brands are now online brands, like whether, if you think sunday swagger is cool or you think sugar loaf social club is cool, like or quiet golf is cool, you're not going to find that stuff in the stores anymore you're ordering that stuff online.

Speaker 3 23:53

Like, if, if, if you start playing golf and you think nike is the cool golf brand like when I started, that's what I thought, like I bought everything nike and then if you continue playing and you get really deep into the culture, you'll find these other brands and they're not available in these stores. And maybe the stores need to realize, like they need to bring some of this stuff in, like hitting greens, like bring some hitting greens in there, that's just dope, you know what I mean and like, and maybe that line message coming there maybe that, maybe that's what's happening with the brick and mortars, because people are leaving the typical brands to.

Speaker 3 24:35

I mean, think of I I'm not going to say tacoma is the greatest golf club brand in the world, but you're not going to find that in any golf shop and that's um fluent in the culture via youtube and social media or like makino or makino whatever it is like the cool stuff is if you can't find it and it's not easily accessible. So maybe that's why there's ghost towns happening well at the las vegas golf superstore.

Speaker 1 25:07

They have a lot of clothing and a lot of it is very expensive. You know the the jl lindbergh stuff is crazy expensive. The win it all cost line is insanely expensive. Municipal golf is very expensive.

Discussing the Cool Factor in Golf

Speaker 2 25:22

There's a and you know they have a lot of that in there, so I mean yeah, I was going to touch on that too, just the retail price for some of these polo companies now it's ridiculous. Yeah, it's ridiculous, you're paying 75 to 100 for polo shirt when you can fucking go on, you know, on instagram and go to like bird gang and get like two for three special or three for one special, whatever the hell it is, you know, for the same price. You know, it's just did.

Speaker 1 25:48

I'm a tj, max being right now, max being right now. So I mean, it's just so much easier to pick. You can get a peter millar polo for 30 bucks. You know, that's 140 on the price tag.

Speaker 3 26:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ag says they, they all come from china. Yeah, they're. I mean, they're basically all the same and, um, I'm a clearance rack superstar. Straight to the clearance rack. Yep, yep, we're not. We're not in a fashion show. We don't need to be current on. You know what's happening in golf, but we would like to, but I'm not paying these prices and I know that they don't cost that much for them to make. They're making buku bucks right now. Buku bucks.

Speaker 2 26:33

You can you can find some good deals on ebay still man a lot of people over, so brand new shirts for nothing hey, rob, update your, your, your photo.

Speaker 1 26:42

Man, come on, you can do better than an r uh black mystery box 199 over 500 worth of apparel yeah, so you can do.

Speaker 2 26:51

You can find deals like that. If you go to to a Black Clover retail store, you're going to get $500 for a fucking shirt and a hoodie.

Speaker 1 26:59

Yep, beds is chiming in, jumped in late. I'm here to answer these cost issues. All right, anybody's got any Travis Matthew questions and Beds. I'm still rocking the shoes. They are amazing, so wear them every day, every day and anybody that thinks golf is too expensive.

Speaker 3 27:19

Like there's ways, ways around it. Like there's companies that do deals all the time and, uh, you just get smarter as you go yep, gotta hop on those deals.

Speaker 1 27:39

Yep, gotta hop on those deals. Deals are to be had, but but I think that's uh.

Speaker 3 27:42

You know, the online marketplace is a great way to find brands that aren't known, that may not have a huge following, that are offering good products for, you know, a cheaper price I also think that's one of those things where that's come um in the past few years from covid is there's brands that have created in niches where you can like you're more, you can relate more to brands. Now it's not TaylorMade, nike, travis, matthew Jay Lindenberg, it's companies creating a culture where you relate to more in the aspect of their journey. I feel more connected to certain brands nowadays after the boom.

Speaker 1 28:34

Do you think those brands are gonna last though?

Speaker 3 28:38

it depends on if the the people that are connected to it last in the game, like you know, like it, it just depends. It depends what happens, like what. What was that? One brand Shit. I got it right here. What was it? Euphoria, euphoria.

Speaker 2 28:59

Yeah, it was Euphoria, yeah, Euphoria. Remember this brand.

Speaker 4 29:03

Yeah.

Speaker 3 29:04

I haven't seen them post shit and I was like real connected to that brand.

Speaker 1 29:09

You can tell by the text on it. Well, this is too small.

Speaker 3 29:15

No, this one was too small for me.

Speaker 1 29:17

If anybody wants this, maybe we can give it away as a Chase the Live Podcast giveaway. Hey, Jeremy, check their IG See if they're still around.

Speaker 3 29:26

Yeah, and I got a code for them. Remember we were ordering a lot of shit. I love their brand, but I haven't seen them post in a long time.

Speaker 1 29:36

It's got something here. It's the sourcing of materials that have driven costs Since COVID freight. Extra costs were eaten by the company, but now they have to pass those along to the consumer.

Speaker 4 29:46

Rising costs.

Speaker 1 29:47

Yeah, tariffs, these off brands and bougie ones will last. The amount of people that buy the expensive stuff solely for the status is crazy Okay.

Retail Trends in Golf: The Shift to Online

Speaker 2 29:58

Miles said don't ever wear this shirt but it looks like the Tom Selleck Magnum PR.

Speaker 4 30:05

I was going to say no so they do, they call this.

Speaker 3 30:10

They call this the Spicoli shirt, jeff Spicoli.

Speaker 1 30:14

That's why you got it. No, you need to shave everything.

Speaker 2 30:19

Shout out Jeff Spicoli.

Speaker 1 30:21

Get a Detroit Tigers hat and wear that to the golf course Yep. A big old, thick broom.

Speaker 3 30:26

It doesn't fit me. I've never worn it. It's like a medium, not no medium.

Speaker 2 30:31

Just squeeze in there, bro.

Speaker 3 30:33

You can just do it for the gram man muscles do it for the gram yeah, but that's I mean there's there's been a lot of brands that have come and gone, I mean, and there's brands that have done it right and um, I think it's a niche. I mean, I think there's a lot of niche stuff going on. There's there's the brands for the guys that take fireball shots every hole and there's the brands for the guys that um are on a hunt for um seth rayner, hidden gems, you know oh what brand is that like?

Speaker 3 31:07

I mean, I would say sugar loaf, but whatever like there's, there's brands that fit your identity in golf now and it's like everybody's been put into a microcosm. So and certain brands will last, and I think I think the brands like sugar loaf, who are the guys that are on hunts for rainer courses, those will last because they're going to be delveved deep into the culture of the game, and the guys that are for a brand that takes fireball shots every hole, they might find a fantasy football league that they, you know, they might create a new league during the summer and they might disappear.

Speaker 4 31:53

So is there initials bb by chance?

Speaker 1 31:58

uh, I don't, I'm just speaking like metaphorically, so I don't know okay uh, beds, when every buyer says a five to five to ten dollar increase on a polo will stop sales. I asked what their rate was five years ago. That's 10 to 15 increase goes a long way with the end customer when it comes to retail. Uh, do you guys think that's good for golf? What? What do we think what is good for golf? Because we were. We were yapping there for a little while I think golf is good for golf for people that love golf.

Speaker 4 32:28

I mean really it's. There's just a lot more choices now for everything there's so many golf brand, golf club brands.

Speaker 1 32:33

There's more clothing brands, everything and everything there's way more options now and I'm wondering if that's one of the reasons why the retail is just taking a hard hit on that, because they don't know what they can bring in. Like, do do we reach out to this company and bring them in and they find out, oh, they're a small company, they can't do that. Okay, well, let's take a hit on this person, we bring them in and they find out, oh, they're a small company, they can't do that. Okay, well, let's take a hit on this person, we bring them in and I mean it's, it's, I'm sure there's a lot of risk reward going on for it for a not established entity in the space well, that's what's interesting, right?

Speaker 3 33:06

that's why jc penny has died and macy's has died and dillard's has died, don't go to the mall. Exactly Because there's brands that communicate directly to their consumer and they don't have to go to the store anymore, and that's what's happening to golf currently.

Speaker 1 33:25

Do you think it's good for golf, the brands reaching out to different types of players? Yeah, I think. If I mean, if you find something that connects with you and you, you know, want to represent that on the golf course, absolutely there's nothing wrong with that, I mean ricky was wearing camo for god's sakes yeah variety.

Speaker 2 33:47

Variety is the spice of life. So, yeah, you know, yeah, especially if you are one of these small companies trying to break through and you happen to have one of your shirts like just happens to go viral in a bryson the shambo video, you know something like that he wears a shirt, then everybody goes where the hell, what kind of shirt is that? And then the next thing, you know three and a half million followers of bryson's. Now you got 150 extra thousand followers. Looking at your shit, we're like what is this?

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Speaker 2 34:12

you know, like have you seen that happen lately um I'm trying to think the last time something was crazy I'm not necessarily looking for anything like that, but yeah, I mean, I think the last time something actually kind of went a little nuts, that I can recall doing something big like that, was, uh, when trap golf came in. Um, you know, you saw a couple, uh you saw a couple like wayno drano, a couple guys on tour wearing trap golf stuff. Next thing, you know, you know roger steel hits it big and he's got trap golf. You know, represented representation and it took off. I mean I think it's quieted down a little bit now trap golf has. But I mean, I I think it literally boomed that brand and it also indirectly boomed roger steel too yeah you know, golf has a weird way of doing that.

Speaker 4 35:02

You think of anything I mean I was gonna say tiger's brand, but I haven't really seen a lot of his stuff. I mean, steven has. I think those are the first shoes I ever saw of the sunday red. I don't, I haven't really seen a lot of his, but yeah, trap golf I don't know the last, I don't pay attention I just buy travis matthew, that's all I'll say. The, the okay.

Speaker 3 35:24

So like I mean, we know how I feel about, we know how I feel about malbon. I think it's too expensive, right malbon's um? I do one. I do love Malbon, I love what they're doing.

Speaker 1 35:35

I love some of their looks. They have some really unique good looks.

Speaker 3 35:40

It's very expensive for what it is and knowing what clothes cost to curate and create, that's where I have a hard time getting into it. But the Jason Day move that they had is genius right. So like the tape over the malabon, where you could still see the malabon under like pga tour had to be in on that because, like, that's genius, right? Like you, you can't wear this because you have to put tape over it, but you can still see malabbon under it.

Speaker 3 36:14

That's marketing genius, if that was I'm surprised they haven't come out with the malbon tape shirt yet you know, but the the thing where I think malbon goes wrong is there is a release every single week. If you know the story of supreme, there is limited stuff. They do drop every whatever few weeks, whatever I mean. Actually supreme does do every week, but minimal styles, and I think if malbon could just go like once a month drops, it'd be bigger. I mean, they're massive right now, but it's like oh oh, another drop.

Speaker 1 36:53

Oh, another drop.

Speaker 3 36:54

They're killing it on the LPGA right now too, and if you listen to Steven Malbon, he is targeted towards Korea because it's different styles over there and those players get paid for their spots more in their clothing deals and their sponsorship deals.

Speaker 1 37:14

Than what they make on tour.

Speaker 3 37:15

Yeah yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 37:20

Uh. Luke judge said I'm not entirely sure I would use pga, tour and genius in the same sentence.

Speaker 3 37:28

No, I mean I'm saying if, if that was the plan, malbon would have curated that and that would have been genius yeah, oh, I I'm sure they knew 100, that they weren't allowed to wear that 100.

Speaker 1 37:42

They knew 100 they knew, and 100 they knew that they were going to get told absolutely slow horses.

Speaker 3 37:48

If they're slow horses, they would have known that the tape is somewhat see-through on the pga tour. I mean, if they, if they were that deep into it, am I 100? Slow horses, 100% Slow horses, they would have 100%, I mean that's genius, both AG said.

Speaker 1 38:05

pretty sure swag just gains a bit of business because of Taylor Montgomery and his bright neon golf bag.

Speaker 5 38:10

Yeah.

Speaker 1 38:11

They're doing okay though.

Speaker 4 38:13

Yeah.

Speaker 1 38:16

Matt is about to be my next profile pick for Insta.

Speaker 2 38:26

Oh, what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 38:28

I don't know what that means, eric, are we on facebook again? No no, no more facebook okay, no more facebook.

Speaker 3 38:34

No, it's funny, I mean, it's a. This is a good discussion, because we're all we're all very different in what we like in golf clothing and things like that what we consider cool and what we think fits our aesthetic.

Speaker 1 38:49

I sent Cousin Club a message. I go, I feel attacked on his G4 post.

Speaker 3 38:57

Yeah, I will never wear G4 shoes ever again. Why?

Speaker 2 39:06

Because I don't like them. Okay, joe's got true in his heart, that's it shout out true linkswear.

Speaker 3 39:11

I mean not saying I won't wear another golf shoe, I'm just, I don't like g4s and that's. That's the thing.

Speaker 1 39:19

That's the whole thing we're talking about is like it doesn't fit me but, but if it's you you did, you did buy them I did and I know it's not like you didn't done. You didn't, you didn't, it didn't appeal to you. You just didn't like them yeah.

Speaker 3 39:39

Yeah, so they fit my aesthetic, but they don't fit my feel. But so, why did? You buy G4s. I bought them and sold them to Rob Chapman.

Speaker 1 39:52

Yeah, he sold them to Rob.

Speaker 4 39:54

Which ones were they the?

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Speaker 3 39:57

trainers, the MG, oh, ok, yeah, I wore them abandoned and they fucking chewed my foot up and I was like goodbye. That's all I wore at Bandon.

Speaker 1 40:08

Goodbye.

Speaker 3 40:09

Goodbye, you don't work at Bandon, goodbye.

Speaker 1 40:16

But that's the thing.

Speaker 3 40:17

You love them, so good for you, I mean. And that's the whole thing with the lab putters too. It's like if it works for you, so good for you, I mean, and that's the whole thing with the lab putters too. It's like if it works for you, it works for you.

Speaker 1 40:24

Hey Luke, judd, great comment Callaway apparel for the win. Their chunky guidelines are better than anyone. Yeah, I love the Callaway apparel and I'm not just saying that because You're chunky. I am chunky, yeah, but no, I've, like I said, going to Nordstrom's Off-Rack and TJ Maxx. They have a bunch of Callaway performance apparel in there and it's dirt cheap and I was getting it just so I could have stuff to wear while doing fittings, and it is. It is amazing.

Speaker 3 40:59

It might open up a can of worms Golf shoe fitting.

Speaker 1 41:06

I would pay for a shoe fitting, probably better than the other purchases. I mean, it makes sense to me, it matters, it matters.

Speaker 3 41:18

It matters for sure.

Speaker 1 41:20

Oh, he changed his picture too. What a guy. Uh, that's because you bought the wrong pair of g4s. You need the g112s, 112s that's what I got.

Speaker 3 41:27

That's what I got. I had those. They're not for me I know I did. I don't even know the model I. They're gone from my memory. If you like playing in g4s, then play them I I don't have to like him uh, no, of course not play what works.

Speaker 1 41:45

You see that rob wants to know why jeremy isn't wearing.

Speaker 4 41:48

I'll get him a new callaway hat just I'll put a tideless head cover on that driver when I get it uh be like harry put his head cover on his ping driver

Speaker 1 41:59

I used used to be like very like titleist hat.

Speaker 4 42:03

But I'm just, I just don't care, I just, I'm so proud, I'm very proud. I like golf courses instead. That's more of an achievement.

Speaker 3 42:10

That's funny because you were so brand. Like you were so brand. I was before and now you're so different, you've, you've grown.

Speaker 4 42:18

I've really matured.

Speaker 1 42:30

It's different. You've, you've grown, I've really matured. It's a renaissance of jeremy just curating a lifestyle on your own. I tell you the the diamonds division better look out because, uh, jeremy hit some absolute bombs on set on sunday, like holy, or is that? What is it? What do we play Sunday? Sunday, yeah, sunday, oh my goodness, did he hit some deep, deep golf shots Like wow, now you were that driver.

Speaker 4 42:52

Like yeah, we did play off a box, but the thing, that's the most impressive with that driver, though, is how forgiving it's, because I've always played a title list, a Titleist I think I've had a TaylorMade for a couple months and Titleist the Titleist drivers I like. They're just not known for forgiveness, but I just love the look of them. I know the feel, but I have never actually been fitted for a driver like that.

Speaker 1 43:21

And crazy how different it is, yeah, at and crazy how different it is, yeah. So, uh, jeremy, uh, when we figured out what we needed to do and then he started hitting it, I I was stunned with the outcome, because you've always played a low spinning head typically right yeah, and the the elite is not.

Speaker 1 43:43

It's not designed to be a low spinning head. I mean it's, you know, it's, it's a regular driver, it's, it's not the triple diamond, um, and so when we started dialing into your numbers and seeing why your ball was doing what it was doing, and then you get to, you know, go from there and tweak it, and we ended up at a 90 degree head, a nine degree head up to, so you're playing at 11 loft and uh, with the, uh, the cog in the back, uh, on the the fade or in the middle. We had in the middle, yep, and oh my goodness, you were just mashing it. And it was so good to see a controlled draw, not a loopy, yeah, sweeping draw, it was that was even in fades, like little fades.

Speaker 4 44:32

Dan, you're in for a treat, like when you see that yeah I can't wait.

Speaker 3 44:36

Dude, he almost drove the green on. What was that 11? No 10.

Speaker 1 44:40

13. 12, 12, 13. No, 12, 12. Yeah, 12. 12,.

Speaker 3 44:44

yeah, he had the little dog leg and he missed it and he didn't hit it well, like he hit it After the bar five. Oh yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 44:53

The dog leg.

Speaker 1 44:53

Yeah, he was on the upslope on the front apron.

Speaker 3 44:57

Jeremy, jeremy's becoming his any dude, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 45:01

That's funny. We're TV dorks too, by the way.

Speaker 4 45:14

That's been crazy man, I can't, I'm still like hey, Jay Dilly, I will be there.

Speaker 1 45:20

You will see my face Go into Cali fitting.

Speaker 4 45:25

Oh, oh, that's right. Yeah, revere, yeah, premiere friday I will be there.

Speaker 1 45:29

And yes, rob, uh, jeremy's fitting was elite j dilly any relation to j dilla?

Speaker 2 45:37

I can't wait to be like 40 yards behind you now.

Speaker 4 45:41

No, I'll be maybe 10 yards short of you Instead of 30 or 40. Jeremy was launching them, but they go, so high man, like so high, like borderline too high, but it's like gone.

Speaker 1 45:58

Gone, gone, I couldn't believe some of the balls he hit.

Speaker 3 46:00

It was ridiculous Becoming a new man.

Speaker 1 46:01

It's like gone, that works for you. Gone, yeah, gone. I couldn't believe some of the balls he hit.

Speaker 3 46:04

It was ridiculous Becoming a new man, new man, new man, new man.

Speaker 1 46:11

And that was my I played. So we played Rio Saturday, friday, friday I think it was Friday After work. Friday we played, we got in 11 holes at Rio and that was the first time I played the Chrome tour in a while. Uh, I tried it a couple of times, just couldn't keep it in the on the course and I hit nine out of nine fairways and for me they were pretty deep. I, you know I was hitting it really really well. And then I played it again on sunday at revere, in the wind, and I, you know, I I do love the wilson golf ball but man, I am getting significantly further shots with the chrome tour, which is disheartening because it's not as durable as the Wilson. The Wilson staff model cover just lasts forever.

Speaker 1 47:05

But I was really surprised at how much further I was hitting that Chrome tour company man, company man.

Speaker 2 47:14

You know what, though? I will say this, matt, the Mandela brothers when I was with them in Texas not too long ago, they were Titleist guys and they made the switch over to Callaway and they said the same thing. They got the main reason why we switched, he's like because this ball is amazing in the wind, so maybe I was surprised.

Speaker 1 47:38

I was surprised how well it was doing Miles. We need a sleeper golf course. Vegas bite episode. No, there's no more sleeper courses in Vegas. Just go somewhere else. Go to Phoenix, go to St George.

Speaker 3 47:57

I was literally just typing. I said sleeper courses in Vegas aren't a thing anymore because all these damn fucking Instagram pages for bucket list golf trips are giving away all our secrets now and St George was one of the greatest secrets in golf and that's destroyed. Which is fine. I mean it'll come back.

Speaker 1 48:20

Oh, golf course, sleeper food.

Speaker 3 48:23

Oh, Julian and I.

Speaker 1 48:24

Which is fine, I mean it'll come back, but oh, golf course, sleeper food light episode. Oh, oh julian, julian and I, because every time we we work a course roberto's we get, uh, we get burgers, so we have a burger ranking going on matt, you still got the double bacon cheeseburger or the bacon cheeseburger at.

Speaker 2 48:41

Uh, matt, you still got the double bacon cheeseburger or the bacon cheeseburger at Coyote Springs, near the top. No, I thought you had a bacon cheeseburger there that you liked.

Speaker 5 48:50

Oh, the Smashburger. The Smashburger at Coyote is phenomenal. That's what it is.

Speaker 1 48:54

Okay, let me see if I can find my list Burger ratings. So right now coming in at the number one spot is southern highlands. Their, their burger is incredible. Uh, the burger at bear's best was shockingly good. Um, red rock country club was really good. The burger roads was really good. Uh, las vegas country club was okay. And then highland falls. Uh, right now is at six, but but I would probably put the Smashburger in the four spot. I mean it's delicious, but oh my God, that's so high burger. We're working there Saturday. I can't wait.

Speaker 2 49:33

We should do a best burger Vegas top 100 so we can get rape doing that too. Oh, went out so high today oh yeah, uh, caden for for reeney, for reeney, is that his?

Speaker 1 49:51

name uh the unlv kid uh shot uh 6767 and he, uh wired a winner for him, so congrats to that congrats to that. Uh, you know, if shriners was still around he would have won a sponsor's exemption in the tournament, but since we don't have golf in fall for the PGA Tour anymore, he just gets a really nice trophy and some serious accreditation, because that was a stacked field.

Speaker 3 50:17

Good for him.

Speaker 1 50:19

Baba Booey, when I worked at Wynn, we were sold out every day at eight hundred dollars.

Speaker 4 50:22

yep, that's insane, that's just I would never pay a hundred for that. How many tea times I win per day, you think? Is it still like? I mean they're not spacing them out every 10 minutes, but it's got to be like a couple an hour, oh there's probably more than that I don't know.

Speaker 3 50:42

I'm really curious to hear I'll have to hit up uh barrels. But he played win this week and he played shadow and I was talking to him about how, like, like wind's cool but shadow is a different animal and, uh, I have to hit him up about that.

Speaker 1 50:58

I totally how do you get out there? How do you knock?

Speaker 3 51:00

those out. I don't know, he barrels is a uh, he is one of the best dressed people in golf and, uh, he knows people, so I don't, I don't know, off to hit him up ah, well, you know we don't have to.

Speaker 1 51:15

He's also a medium like. He's a medium, so like oh, you've got a shirt for him yeah, yeah, cause mediums are the last one, so yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 51:24

Or left, so I mean Tom Selleck signature series gets all the cool shit, so all right.

Speaker 1 51:32

Hey, we got a couple of things. Uh, let's get Maddie G in here to talk about the weather for this weekend's VGN event.

Speaker 5 51:41

What we talk about the weather for this weekend's VGN event. What's up everybody. It's first-floor meteorologist Matt Gontaric back again with another VGN forecast for this upcoming Sunday's VGN tournament at Boulder City Municipal. Looking great Temperatures for the morning hours at least, starting off at 50. If you have that early tee time Going, mostly sunny throughout your Sunday Daytime highs around 70 degrees, it'll be at least in the upper 60s in Boulder City with some light winds. So great forecast for the VGN tournament. If you are playing on Sunday, good luck.

Speaker 1 52:09

Good weather in Boulder City. Looking forward to it, can't wait, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 52:15

Yeah, looks like it's going to be a good weekend.

Speaker 1 52:17

Yeah, it's going to be a good weekend.

Speaker 3 52:19

It'll be my third weekend in a row playing golf it's been.

Speaker 1 52:23

Oh my goodness hey, so I found something uh. I was, you know, because we had a little issue at the last tournament, uh with uh guys not understanding, uh what was going on with the closest to the pin markers. Uh, so I I scoured the pages of ebay and I found, uh, some stamps, and so now I I'm gonna stamp the cards with the card suite. So you know which one you are so, yeah, just communicate that.

Speaker 3 52:55

Yeah, I know you will, but oh, yeah, through seven emails, yeah exactly read your damn emails.

Speaker 1 53:01

People text on the way so your, your, your scorecard will have your name and you will have a stamp for the flight you're in. So just so there will be no more confusion on that. Hopefully, but never know. And also everybody, if anybody is listening, that is in the VGN right now. Do not forget daylight saving starts at 2 am Saturday evening, so you have to move your clocks forward. You lose an hour of sleep. Don't forget, and not show up on time, because it's this weekend yes, already, fuck, that's crazy so we spring forward yeah, we spring forward, we spring forward let's go yeah, more

Speaker 4 53:49

golf fallback spring for fallback does that mean people are going to show up at seven or nine?

Speaker 1 53:55

no, nine, because if they don't, set their clock forward. They would think it's eight, but it's actually nine.

Speaker 4 54:03

How many do you think that your phone should automatically do it, but how many do you think that that will?

Speaker 1 54:09

Ooh, that should be. That's a good bet. That's a good way. Yeah, how many people? Miss the time Three three Okay, this is, I think, our first. I'll have to look and see this. I'm going to take the under on that. You're taking the under. Okay, this is, I think, our first. I'll have to look and see. I'm going to take the under on that. You're taking the under, okay, yeah.

Speaker 5 54:24

I'm going to go under too.

Speaker 2 54:28

Only because you know we're all adults, but you never know.

Speaker 1 54:33

And lastly, write your damn scores in pencil, not a marker.

Speaker 4 54:36

Does anyone use one of those alarm clocks that are super obnoxious, that you have to like slam the top of it to turn it off?

Speaker 1 54:44

No.

Speaker 2 54:44

I have one that's just really loud my phone. I use my phone.

Speaker 3 54:48

Yeah, it's so funny. I mean, I used to live and die by an alarm clock Now, it's all phones. It's a phone, it's crazy. Your kids? Old-ass motherfucker.

Speaker 1 55:00

Okay. So we tried to book an event at the end of september in mountain falls, uh, but they decided we don't want to, we don't want you guys to come out here again, um, because they didn't respond to any of my emails or phone calls, uh. So we were trying to find other places in town, um, and I reached out to our vg and board chat and asked you know, do we just scrap it or do we reach out to Wild Horse, rhodes, the Ditch and try and put another event in there? Kind of came back, you know, 50-50, scrap it, maybe find another place. We can go to Mesquite, but we're already going to Coyote. So I didn't know if that would be too much.

Speaker 1 55:40

And then Joe said hey's, let's do a skins game at angel park, and uh, so there we go. Uh, reached out to angel park today uh, now the original date that we were going to do this on they are, uh, closed for overseeding, so they open back up on the 5th of october, which is a sunday. So we are going to do a sunday evening. I think t times are going to start between 6, 30 and 7. We will be the last people on the course and we are going to have a skins game, so there won't be any prize money in this one. So what the entry fee is is what the tee times will be and then we'll collect side money for skins.

Speaker 1 56:27

But yeah, it's going to be a non point event, it will be more of a social outing. But everybody, everybody, I think six, 40, I think I told him 48. Cause I didn't know if everybody was going to be able to do it. I know it's a Sunday, I know it's football season, so we'll have 48 people be able to come out and play in beautiful October weather under the lights. It should be a fantastic time. So I'm looking forward to that. Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 57:01

Six groups of eight and that's uh, oh um, did anybody watch full swing?

Speaker 3 57:14

I've watched the first three episodes.

Speaker 1 57:16

I think me and katie, so far I fell asleep during the first one.

Speaker 3 57:22

So, the thing is is like it's tough for us, right, because we're we're sick of it. So we know what happened. So we want the, the behind the scenes, we want the, the things that happened behind the curtain, and I think they, I think they did a better job this season for that aspect. So I haven't finished it, but I felt like, if I remember correctly, I feel like it was better this year and that stuff takes time to grow Like F1 season. You know, f1, would I don't even I tried to watch that show, but it's not that, it's not the, it's not the same. But you know, I thought it was. I I feel like it's good. You know, get some behind the story of, uh, scotty's prison sentence and uh, things like that but rory's divorce yeah, well, they did mention some of that.

Speaker 3 58:23

so it's like that Rory's divorced. They did mention some of that. That's what we want, because we know what already happened. We need the behind the curtain shit. I think there's a little bit more of it this season.

Speaker 1 58:38

We got, so good we got. Keegan's wife is hot and full swing was trash.

Speaker 2 58:45

So all right.

Speaker 3 58:47

Not for everybody, not for everybody Just like golf brands and golf clothing and golf courses, and then we're a picky Pete. We're picky people.

Speaker 1 59:00

Oh, greenly chiming in Full swing was boring.

Speaker 3 59:02

Well, he's been in the golf industry for how long? What's it say on your VGN bio A million years. Yeah.

Speaker 1 59:14

All right. So more talks about Koepka and Bryson leaving live, and then I heard ROM as well. So if those three leave live, it's done right. I mean, there's no coming back from it.

Speaker 4 59:34

DJ will ride his boat off in the sunset.

Speaker 1 59:37

Yep.

Speaker 4 59:38

The other guys will join the Champions Tour.

Speaker 2 59:42

We want Cam. Smith back though too. Yeah, we do want Cam Smith.

Speaker 3 59:46

He's really fun yeah man Cam Smith walking walking, neiman come on back.

Speaker 1 59:55

He could have been like a legend right now.

Speaker 3 1:00:00

Luke said it was great when they highlighted up and comers and unknowns and made the uh usual pro robots feel normal. And I think that's I think that's where it's gone is like, even pga tour. I mean, you know, where is corn fairy? Where is it? I haven't heard anything about corn fairy in forever right argentina. Yeah, I, I know that I know where they are, but like they're, when's the last?

Speaker 5 1:00:32

time.

Speaker 3 1:00:32

I know you like a corn fairy thing like yeah, I haven't seen that promoted anywhere. You know, where are the future stars of pro golf?

Speaker 1 1:00:42

they're on the pga tour right now well, where's the future?

Speaker 2 1:00:47

for sure, they're on youtube. Yeah, they're on youtube. And why are they not? Why?

Speaker 1 1:00:54

are they on the youtube? They are on the youtube.

Speaker 3 1:00:55

Yeah, that's the thing, yeah yeah they are on youtube, that's probably where they are youtube golf league coming soon. I just don't think there is a farming they haven't perfected the farming system at this moment like they need to be able to farm, just like baseball, football, basketball, pga tour is lost in the farming I mean, I still think there's a ton of mini tours and there's a ton of yeah but where are they building?

Speaker 3 1:01:27

where are they building them up? Where are they building them up? There's no story, I think we just don't hear you, but we just don't hear about it.

Speaker 4 1:01:33

It's happening and it's there, we just don't hear about it. And then a bunch of new guys show up on tour it's not as cool as watching a youtube video, joe I?

Speaker 3 1:01:43

I mean I get it. I mean I don't watch much golf youtube, but I think they need to do a better job at producing their stars. Well, maybe that's where they're lacking they are considered independent contractors.

Speaker 1 1:01:58

So is it the pga's responsibility to grow those players, or is it the player's responsibility to play well and use that, that win, to help promote themselves?

Speaker 3 1:02:11

well, what that sounds like is like the players need to produce content to make them known to the fans of golf, and that sounds like youtube golf. So it sounds like we're gonna have a youtube tour soon it's coming.

Speaker 2 1:02:26

I did read. I did read about a golf and a golf influencer league. Um, really called people's people's golf tour and I think actually, uh, they asked glenn's daughter. I think they asked glenn's daughter to be a part of it.

Speaker 1 1:02:40

Oh really that's how I seen it, yeah but they got like they're going to be coming out of the. All of them are going to be coming out of the woodworks with stuff like that, trying to capitalize on youtube fame they all are trying it, so we'll see.

Speaker 2 1:02:52

We'll see what happens I mean the.

Speaker 1 1:02:54

The grant is going around and signing uh influencers and youtube stars as ambassadors yep, glenn keeps sending me that.

Speaker 3 1:03:02

I told him I'm v'm VGN, stop sending it to me. I got a couple videos too. He said I was like I'm just promoting my daughter. I was like that's cool.

Speaker 2 1:03:13

Have her join the.

Speaker 1 1:03:17

VGN All right. Well, if we ain't got anything else, which I don't think we do no, anybody want to a? Oh joe, you want to do the odds for the api? I mean, it's kind of a big tournament. You want to do that? Let's, we'll here, I'll leave and I'll throw you some duck music yeah, it's a.

Speaker 3 1:03:40

It's a. It's a special week mean there's a lot of drops. Puma's doing something I saw the number 33's doing something, shout out. Golf of Flavor the number 33,. They released their curated collection from Justin Eldridge. What else we got Any Cobra DS Adapt special edition? I didn't see any of that, but I'm sure it's coming. No, there we go there we go yeah, sorry, did you guys see anything uh special being released for the api or?

Speaker 1 1:04:20

no, I haven't looked. There's always something, though. I mean I have a couple different Puma AP hats, that's what I should have wore tonight.

Speaker 3 1:04:34

I did see Chris Torres was lacing up some classic Puma golf shoes, some Hornet Palmers the world famous. All right, I got it your favorite. No surprise here.

Speaker 1 1:04:42

Scotty Scheffler.

Speaker 3 1:04:43

Scotty Scheffler 3.2-1. Roy McIlroy 7.5-1. Ludwig 12-1. I would say that's probably a good bet 12-1,. Ludwig Xander 18-1. Morikawa 20-1. Justin Thomas 22-1. Tommy Fleetwood 25-1, along with 22-1. Tommy Fleetwood 25-1, along with Sung Jae and Patrick Cantlay.

Speaker 1 1:05:10

He doesn't play AJ.

Speaker 3 1:05:13

He got cut out. They don't want him there. Speed them family. Shane Lowry 40-1. Wyndham Clark 50-1. Sal Torres 50-1. Mav McNeely 55-1. My brother's best friend Akshay 65-1. Sal Torres 50-1. Mav McNeely 55-1. My brother's best friend Akshay 65-1. Minwoo Lee the cook 70-1. Cameron Young 80-1. Patrick Rogers 100-1. Along with so many players, I'm not going to read them all At the bottom. Rafael Campos, did that one go to read them all At the bottom, rafael Campos?

Speaker 1 1:05:47

Is that did that one's in jail.

Speaker 2 1:05:48

No, no, it's Angel Cabrera.

Speaker 1 1:05:50

That's Angel Cabrera, and.

Speaker 2 1:05:52

I heard he's playing the Masters.

Speaker 3 1:05:54

He is playing the Masters.

Speaker 2 1:05:57

Fuck that guy.

Speaker 1 1:06:01

Don't hold back, dan, that's how you really feel.

Speaker 2 1:06:03

I beat the shit out of his wife, but I mean I get it. Maybe she was annoying, I don't know.

Speaker 3 1:06:11

But still, I mean he's got a green jacket.

Speaker 2 1:06:15

But still, I mean, you know what I'm saying. I'm just making light of a situation.

Speaker 3 1:06:19

Don't beat on his wife people.

Speaker 1 1:06:23

Does he make the cut?

Speaker 2 1:06:26

No way right no way no, no way no he probably, he's probably gained like an extra 30 pounds and he's just karma right, karma out there should he show up in black and white stripes? He's gone. He's just going to the champions dinner and that's it. He's all orange like yeah, orange jumpsuit how?

Speaker 5 1:06:45

awesome, would that be like scotty, like scotty.

Speaker 2 1:06:50

Like you, like you like I mean he's.

Speaker 3 1:06:56

I mean he's an auto cut just off of karma yeah yeah, yeah but, but.

Speaker 1 1:07:03

But if he makes a cut and does well, do you go? Maybe she deserved it I don't know, I mean maybe he'll feel that way. I'm kidding, yeah, maybe he'll feel that way, yeah the golf gods thought it was justified she took me away in my prime all right, joe, wrap it up for us and uh, let's get the hell out of here hey, thanks for tuning in chasing that podcast.

Speaker 3 1:07:37

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