Chasing Darkness: Episode 354 After Show

Ever notice how your swing tells the truth about your habits? We kick off with a clean bill of health, ketosis debates, and the not-so-subtle way focus, flexibility, and recovery change the way the ball leaves the face. It’s a candid look at what discipline off the course does to your dispersion on it, and why a few smart choices can be the difference between “almost” and “went low.”

From there, we chase the joy: road-trip plotting, Riviera-style clubhouses, and the case for walking whenever a course allows it. We compare cultures where golf is meant to be walked and capped with a drink to American cart norms stuffed with beer by the fifth hole. If you’ve wondered whether walking is slower, we explain why it often isn’t, how it helps decision-making, and which Vegas-area tracks still deliver a great stroll.

Money talk gets real with the inside scoop on a rebuilt private club: six-figure initiation, paused memberships, and dues that jump once the clubhouse opens. We weigh exclusivity against experience and ask whether a thoughtfully planned public itinerary beats chasing a prestige logo. Then we wade into the net game mess: two-man shambles, eyebrow-raising numbers, and Yip Strickler’s crusade against sandbaggers. We outline practical league guardrails that make competition fair without sucking out the fun.

Gear heads, you’re fed. We dig into Scotty Cameron’s enduring pull, why original finishes matter, and how boutique builders like Goodwood and Olson earn cult status with true craftsmanship. Plus, new alignment tech gets a spotlight—Odyssey’s half-ball concept, tour influence, and the reality that one hot week can empty store shelves. We test the hype with training aids, face control, and a sober take on LAB myths versus measurable roll.

It’s health, honesty, and gear with purpose, wrapped in laughter and real talk from friends who live the game. If you’re chasing lower scores, fairer leagues, and more meaningful rounds, hit play and ride with us. Subscribe, share with your foursome, and drop a review telling us whether you’re walking or riding next time—your pick might change someone’s season.

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Transcript

Health Check And Ketosis Kickoff

Matt 0:01

Yeah, I need to get back to doing that. I got it away from my fasting because I've been taking so many anti-inflammatories that I gotta have food in my stomach, otherwise I get sick. So yeah, I uh but I did have my annual checkup today and everything flying colors. A plus A plus plus plus I feel like the the the chalkboard on on uh oh my Christmas story Ralphie's essay A plus plus yeah doctor was incredibly happy with everything so good cholesterol is under 90, which for me that's huge considering a year and a half ago it was almost at 300.

SPEAKER_04 0:47

So oh yeah, yeah, so did you have uh did you do uh did you take meds before?

Matt 0:55

Uh yeah, but I stopped taking them because I I when I went through my weight loss journey back in 2008, um I stopped taking all my meds because I got all rid of all that excess shit in my body through the weight loss and eating healthy. Um, and then I never started taking it again when I started gaining the weight back.

SPEAKER_04 1:19

And and uh yeah, so there's uh not to get totally off topic of golf, but oh you're already recording holy molars.

SPEAKER_05 1:26

Oh, yeah. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:28

Have you ever heard of Diary of a CEO? It's like a YouTube channel.

SPEAKER_05 1:32

Yes, I think I've seen it.

SPEAKER_04 1:34

And he interviews different people, like he interviewed this good. Yeah, he interviewed this doctor about ketosis and how your body won't produce a ketone until all the excess insulin is out of your body, even like the stuff that gets like stored because it's excess. It's super fascinating. It's cool to understand how it actually works. How doctors tell you not to do ketosis because it's not sustainable, but really it's the best method for preventing.

Matt 2:05

And yeah, uh, have you seen Jake Hutz transformation?

Transformations, Discipline, And Golf Focus

SPEAKER_04 2:10

Yeah, he killed it.

Matt 2:11

Holy shit. Yeah, he is fucking ripped now. Yeah, he's ripped. Like, wow, like, dude is just killing it.

Dan 2:21

Was he on Instagram again or something?

Joe 2:23

Yeah, yeah, he broke down his bowl, what he what he was been eating for the past six months, and monitoring his blood sugar. Um yeah, it's I just saw a brief clip of him and ripped. He's ripped.

Matt 2:34

I was like, whoa, dude.

SPEAKER_04 2:37

I mean, he was already athletic, you know, but it's like wow, so yeah, I've I've been thinking like it feels like be like a few months ago, like the last six months, I've I've been really working hard at it, and then I've sort of slipped a little bit, and I can tell in my golf game, like specifically, there's things about it like whether it's focus or flexibility, it's like that's my driver of getting back because I can totally notice a difference.

Matt 3:04

Well, that's and then a bunch of other stuff again, yeah. For sure. We were doing good at that for a while.

SPEAKER_04 3:12

Yeah, I yeah, Dan's still crushing it though. Dan Dan is a Dan is like the most self-controlled person I've met.

Dan 3:21

Gotta make those typical life changes. Like, literally, my body does not crave that shit anymore.

Matt 3:26

I've no day, so amazing, huh? I like have zero desire to drink, like no desire.

Joe 3:32

Speaking of great humans, and this is a transition from Dan, who's also a great human. Great human. Thank you, Joe.

Dan 3:43

Uh immediately after that.

Joe 3:47

No, but I know I know the way he's gonna compliment. Uh Jared Jared, which what three of us have played with, who's also been on the podcast. Have you listened to the his off the deck uh uh podcast episode with Josh?

Dan 4:02

I I've heard a couple clips of it.

Shoutouts And Golf Trip Plotting

Joe 4:05

That dude is awesome. Yeah, yeah. Go check it out. And he's in New Zealand right now, and he also did the same thing on that podcast that he did on ours. Where he just takes over because he's just he's a rambler, like full ADA spirit. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 4:26

Yeah, I would love to get, I would love the chance to play with him. Yeah, very cool dude to hang out with.

Joe 4:32

Yeah, we need to five some. We need to five some. We should.

Matt 4:35

I mean, it's not that far to him either. Yeah, we could drive there, play, and then come home. I mean, Jeremy goes to cars and coffee in LA every weekend, so yeah.

Joe 4:46

No, he he's been asking me to come out, and uh did that that that that golf course is very fun. It it's uh it feels like Riviera because the the clubhouse is up top of a hill and it's it's awesome.

Matt 5:01

Tuna cups making it happen next year. Tuna cups, yeah. It's coming the new year is coming.

Dan 5:11

We got uh we got snubbed out on gamble.

Matt 5:15

It happens, yeah. But you were it was a right call though. Why pay more than retail? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I can understand if like I just don't know I'm only gonna be out there once ever in my life. Let's make it happen, okay, you know, yeah, type situation, but I mean it's not it's not that far of a flight and drive.

Dan 5:39

It's not like it's an impossible tea time either.

Joe 5:41

Yeah, no, no, it's a yeah, definitely doable, definitely doable.

Dan 5:45

That would have been nice to get like 550 though.

Joe 5:49

Yeah, that would have been nice. You're trying to snipe it.

Matt 5:54

So I mean it's growing.

Joe 5:55

The list on that place is it's it's no scare with Skirkrow opening. I mean, it makes it even better.

Matt 6:02

So yeah, dude, I was I was hunting down Airbnbs in in the little town south of it just to see what's out there. There's a bed and breakfast right on the river. I'm like, yeah, there was a wine, uh, a wine place that has like cottages that you do the wine tour. It's like fuck we'll just not go on the wine tour. Five minute drive to the golf course. There you go. Tenth person has canceled on us this week. They all had title stickers on their cars, though.

Joe 6:32

Man, I I need a golf trip. I need I need to go somewhere.

Matt 6:36

Uh, but I also had uh orthopedic uh appointment today with a new orthopedic doctor. Um MRI scheduled, so uh are he's submitting it. So can I get another MRI done? Find out what's going on in the left knee. Uh just him basically talking and doing an examination. He believes it might be a stress fracture, although Dr. Mike doesn't think so. Um but so interesting to see what's going on with that because I'm just tired of fucking limping everywhere. Yeah, yeah. I get that. Sucks. Sucks, sucks, sucks. But so that's on the on the hangout.

Dan 7:20

Did you guys see the new pictures of the 21 clip that came out? No. Oh, yeah. I well, I don't know if it's pictures or if it was a video someday that was just like if it was the one, forget the account that it was posted on. Yeah, it was like two or three days ago, but fuck man, that course looks ridiculous. Oh, that place looks sick.

Matt 7:41

Where is it at?

Joe 7:43

Uh South Carolina, I think. Yeah, South Carolina. It's the Allison Mackenzie joint from like.

Dan 7:58

It's nuts. Let me see if I can.

Matt 8:02

Did you see that what post was it about um how the golf cart? Um, yeah.

Joe 8:11

Jeez. I mean, there's more too. I mean, it's wow. Aiken. Shout out to Aiken. Yeah.

Tee Times, Travel, And Courses To Walk

Matt 8:21

Uh they're talking about how the golf cart that run uh golf in America, that if you go to Europe or Australia or um, golf is you know, it's meant to be walked, and then afterwards you hang out and have some drinks with your friends, not get a golf cart, load up on beers and get hammered by the fifth hole. It was it wasn't shitting on yeah, it wasn't shitting on people who ride in golf carts, it was shitting on the concept that you have to have a golf cart to play golf.

SPEAKER_04 8:54

Yeah, yeah. That's what does kind of suck about Vegas is there's 90% of the courses you're not walking, or they even let you.

Matt 9:03

No, yeah, but sucks because walking is just as fast, if not faster. We've proven that.

SPEAKER_04 9:09

I mean, yeah, of course. You should probably go do a walking round once you figure out your knee. We we should go do a walking around at national or something.

Matt 9:16

National, LBC, wild horse, you can walk wild horse. We walked wild horse back in the day, yeah. Yeah, it's not a bad walk. I mean, the frisbee people do it. Polder City Muni. We've walked, yeah. Muni, regular Muni can walk.

SPEAKER_04 9:33

We did that with uh yeah, well, yeah, Jeremy got sick and Joe was sick on the back nine, yeah.

Joe 9:39

Joe didn't make it because he had COVID, yeah. Yeah, LBCC is the best walk there is in town, though.

Matt 9:45

Yeah, I would agree with that, yeah. Yeah, so high is not a good walk.

Joe 9:51

No, no, Revere Lexington, great walk.

Matt 9:56

No, Coscada, Coscada would probably be worse.

Joe 9:59

Coscata would be terrible.

Matt 10:01

You know what? Oh god, yeah. Oh, that between like eight and nine or seven and eight. Oh my god, it's like a mile.

Joe 10:09

Brutal, yeah.

Matt 10:10

Oh, the uh um Royal Lynx was a yeah, good walk. I think we walked that once, didn't we?

Joe 10:22

I don't think I ever walked Royal Lynx. I miss Royal Links.

Matt 10:25

That's what I was saying. It's not yeah, you know, you just got the very flat. It's very flat, and all the holes are adjacent.

Dan 10:31

And I missed the only course I've ever walked in town was TPC Vegas when they had the junior rates when I moved here. Anything anybody under 18, you could play that course of five dollars walking in the first summer I moved here. Nice.

SPEAKER_03 10:43

I've walked Summerlin.

Dan 10:45

I played there like 20 times the first summer I played her. Yeah, five five fucking dollars. That's all it was.

Joe 10:51

Jeez. Uh so the Summerlin was a good walk. Honestly, Summerlin was a good walk.

Matt 10:56

The new Bears Best Allure, it's called.

Joe 10:59

Is that what Cyrus posted the other day? Yeah, yeah.

Matt 11:02

Okay, do you know what I found out today through a conversation? Uh, what the initiation and dues are. Oh, I'm sure it's insane.

Dan 11:13

Take a look at it$250,000 initiation.

Joe 11:17

$500K mil milli.

Matt 11:21

Three three, yeah,$300. Um, and then$150 of it was recouped if you left before the club opened up the clubhouse, but then they got rid of that. Um they have stopped at 200 members, they have all that money. Uh the monthly dues are$2k, and once the clubhouse is built, it will go to four.

Joe 11:46

Jeez, I didn't realize they were doing that much work out there though.

Matt 11:51

Oh, yeah, they're completely redoing the golf course. It's not very best anymore at all. It's a whole completely new golf course. Good. Yeah, yeah.

unknown 12:00

Yep.

Joe 12:01

That's wild. It's it's summit part two. It's won't be able to say every golf course in town anymore.

Matt 12:07

No. Like me saying I played win because I played the DI. No, different, different, different. Very different. Matt, you have not played the win. I have not played the win.

Dan 12:18

Jeremy, have you? Nope. Joe, you have, yes. Twice. Have you you have you played it, Dan? Nope. That's the only one. Oh, that's the only one left. Oh, we're gonna have to make that happen then.

SPEAKER_04 12:30

I'm down. I still need to play Anthem Country Club and Red Rock Country Club.

Vegas Course Access And Private Club Costs

Joe 12:36

There's like three or four left. I mean, thin to win. Thin to win. You guys follow Thin to Win on Instagram, right?

Matt 12:44

Yeah, he was just at win with Melosi.

Joe 12:46

Yeah, so I bought some towels from him a couple like a month or two ago. Um, and I was supposed to meet up with him, um, but we just couldn't make it happen. But he's he's on that content grind, trying to, you know. Well, he's got a name, right? But you know, it's still a grind.

Matt 13:06

Yeah, oh, it's a grind.

Joe 13:08

So, but he he's like, I was like, dude, sorry, I didn't message you before he came, and blah blah blah.

Matt 13:14

And uh dude, Carter Harder's in gold tonight.

Joe 13:18

What what I didn't know that was tonight.

Dan 13:23

Yeah, he started watching, right?

Joe 13:25

Yeah, you're a big hockey guy now, Dan, or what?

Dan 13:28

No, I was reading about it because they said he's got like a sexual assault past, and that's he was cleared. Yeah, I was reading about the article, but I read I read that he was starting to know. But no, definitely not uh definitely not a Knights fan yet.

Matt 13:42

Although Dan was feeling it.

Dan 13:46

I was cheering for the Knights because fuck Canada, but uh you know, I still got I still got you know some LA Kings love in my heart because you know I did some Kings games when I was a kid. So that's the hometown.

Matt 14:01

That uh that reel I posted has 185,000 views now.

Dan 14:06

Oh, really? When we were on the glass? Yeah, the the hell yeah.

Matt 14:12

Such a cool uh man.

Dan 14:15

It was sick, it was sick. The arena was dope, you know. When they scored, everybody was loud, so that was cool.

Joe 14:20

It was definitely it's cool, it's fun, right? It's fun, yeah.

Dan 14:23

Fuck yeah, I had a shit ton of fun. Uh definitely better going a raider game, tell you that much.

Matt 14:28

Yeah, do we need to talk about that? Uh no, no, I don't know what was worse. Gino falling on his ass on the one airline or the the New York Giants field goal kicker. Oh, that was a field goal. Good lord. How he didn't break his ankle is beyond me.

Dan 14:47

Yeah, that was that was weird. That whole situation was weird. It was like he fucking like he fucking had a stroke or something right before coming in there.

Matt 14:55

I mean, it was a foot, two feet behind the ball where he kicked the ground.

Dan 15:00

Yeah, that's really bad.

Matt 15:02

I mean, we were talking about it today, and it's like that's the equivalent of a PGA tour whiffing the ball on a t-shot. You know, pretty much just completely messing up your job. And and you got one job kick a ball. That's your job. Kick a ball.

Joe 15:21

I saw that post today that like Hawaiian. Is that a fireable offense?

SPEAKER_04 15:27

Definitely getting written up.

Matt 15:30

Definitely getting written up, you're getting suspended. But dude, you kick the ground when you were supposed to kick the ground.

Dan 15:39

I mean, maybe if it's like you know, more than just a one-time occurrence. We did it like two or three times this season where you just like fucking took a divot before kicking the fire.

Matt 15:48

The second time you're getting fired. Yeah, it happens the second time you're getting fired.

Dan 15:53

You're right. You have one job, kick the fucking ball between the uprights at your fucking job.

Joe 15:59

That was so funny. That was wild. It was like uh hitting you know off the T and just fucking duffing the shit out of it.

Matt 16:07

Laying the sod over a teed up ball.

Dan 16:11

How about that putter lineup from GHQ today? Oh, yeah, like five or six my girls in there. My girl was well they that was just on their Instagram, yeah.

Joe 16:22

Yeah, that was yeah.

Matt 16:24

The the Jordan Speed$25 super soft sleeves.

Joe 16:29

Absolutely insane. I mean, did you see what they did on for Black Friday? No, what G HQ did? I sent it to you. The they were they were flash sailing la golf butters. Oh, yeah, yeah.

unknown 16:44

Yeah, okay.

Joe 16:46

Oh, that's right.

Dan 16:46

Yeah, you tell me because about a dozen balls to get into that super rat.

Joe 16:50

Yeah, have to do that. Yeah, dude. I was hoping to win that. Holy moly. Yeah, that's a good one.

Matt 16:58

Would the dozen balls go for?

Joe 17:01

Uh 27, like brand new Strixon dozen or something. That's not bad.

Matt 17:05

Yeah, yeah.

Hockey Night And Sports Fails

Joe 17:06

It's not bad at all. I bought a few. I bought a few.$27 for a dozen uh Z stars. But it was a circle T. It was a circle T. It was circle T, but that was kind of the notch. That's the most yeah, it's not the best one. It's not the best one. It's still a circle T. It was cleany boys, though. It was super cleany boys, that's not the one that people are after, right? But it's still for a hundred bucks, you can make 20 times your money at least. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so it's a what I said in uh our text. I mean, it's a parlay. Yeah, so a hundred dollars on a parlay, a five teamer, hit, you know, and you know, it's uh it's a chance. So if you're a gambler, then one in thirty. If you don't, yeah, exactly. One in thirty chance, and parlays are based on human interaction, they might duff it when keeping the field goal, you know.

Matt 18:08

Some skill involved in knowing who to take. Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah. Not saying it's all skill, there's a lot of luck, but that is Jeremy.

Dan 18:19

Jeremy, real quick, did you do you know what those what those during our two man two-man thing uh what the winning scores were? Did you yeah, 56? 16 under?

SPEAKER_04 18:31

16 under.

unknown 18:33

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 18:34

Is it? I mean, we didn't, I would say, I mean, you were pretty dialed on your approaches and everything, but we were not at our best, and we shot 62. And I know we had five to six birdies potentially eagle that we could have made like one or two eagles.

Matt 18:51

Is it capped or is it stroke uh yeah?

SPEAKER_04 18:54

It's all net, it's all net, yeah. So I mean we have to play absolutely perfect. Oh, yeah, to win that on a two-man. That was a shamble, even. Yeah, it wasn't even a scramble. So you had to play each other's t-shots? We play the best t-shot and then we play our own ball in.

Matt 19:11

Okay, you each best ball from there, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:14

But I was looking at some of the teams, like, there's some guys that are like it's like a five handicap playing with like a 27. Oh, geez, and so oh, you know what?

Joe 19:24

We can talk about is did you guys see Yip Stricklers thing? Uh did we talk about this? The Barstal classic, the Yip Strickler.

Matt 19:32

He was on Barstel.

Joe 19:33

I know, I know, but did we ever talk about Yip Strickler? What is it? You don't know Yip Strickler?

SPEAKER_04 19:39

No, what you guys don't know who Yip Strickler Strickler is?

Dan 19:43

No, shut the new. I've never even heard of him.

Joe 19:46

Go follow him on Instagram.

Matt 19:48

Yeah, Yip Strickler calls out sandbaggers for winning big purse net tournaments, and he's good for that. He like calls them out, publicly shames them, like publicly shames him like that. Oh, I know, I know him. I didn't know that was his name. Defamation lawsuits against him.

Joe 20:09

For I'm surprised you guys have never heard of him. Didn't know I just didn't know his name. I know I I know his face though.

Matt 20:15

Yeah, oh I want I want uh sandbag and rat.

Dan 20:19

I've never seen this guy at all.

Matt 20:21

You haven't been easy. Uh, I want him to like do an evaluation on the VGN league and get correctly approved golf league. You know, the VGN is Jip Strickler approved.

Joe 20:36

Good. I I guarantee you send him a thousand bucks, he'll do it. And it could be okay.

Matt 20:43

Go ahead, send him that thousand, Joe.

Joe 20:45

And uh you want me to send him that we have 700. What is it? 680.

Matt 20:49

I'm not sending them our guns and money that's covering the podcast expenses.

Joe 20:53

No, I know, but I guarantee I mean, yeah, there's but you know what I mean. Like, I bet you would do it for somebody.

Matt 21:00

You want to start a new fundraiser for yourself? Do this one on us, and it'll you'll have leagues all over the country reaching out to you. Those guys aren't buying or whatnot.

Joe 21:13

But I mean, if we can if we can entice him to come on the podcast.

Matt 21:17

Oh, he was just on bar stool.

Joe 21:19

I know. Well, now we we're too late, though.

Matt 21:23

Oh, it's he's gonna blow up.

Joe 21:24

I mean, he's already blowing up, but he already should just send him a message. Just send him a message, be like, hey, I run a golf league in Vegas, and uh people can paint complain about sandbag and rats. And uh I'd I'd be curious if you'd come on the podcast, we could send you some Garson grips, talk about what we're doing and see if you think what we're doing is yeah, maybe a short two bucks or you know, maybe a few bucks to you know a hundred bucks, fund some of your t-shirts and some uh we'll send you some rats or something, like you know. We'll send you some cheese to to to to reel those rats in, you know.

Matt 22:14

Yeah, but watch watch his video on the Barstool classic that uh the guys that won. It's it's good.

Joe 22:23

It's good. I mean, all of his videos are good. He yeah, they they really are. All of them are. You never heard. Let's go to the game.

Matt 22:33

Oh wow, yeah, pretty good. Wow, yeah, you're gonna have to go down a yip strickler rabbit hole now.

Joe 22:39

Right. I'm gonna end up on there one of these days when I win.

Matt 22:43

Oh, yeah. 100%, 100%. Let's see, Joe from Hit and Green. Last worked with the true in 2024.

Joe 22:53

It's more true nowadays though, because all of my when I play, it's in VGN tournaments mostly.

Matt 22:59

So yeah, all yours all your gen scores are tournament scores.

Joe 23:03

Yeah, yeah, exactly. All my gen scores are tournament scores.

SPEAKER_04 23:07

Uh so I got this. I framed this today.

Matt 23:12

Oh, is that the Wikapot?

SPEAKER_04 23:14

Oh, yeah, and then it made me want to buy art from all of the courses I played, the special courses. Uh uh, collectors. So I need to I need to find a good place that I don't spend thousands and thousands of dollars on pictures.

Matt 23:27

Dude, I I owe awesome maps a video, and I told them I would do it. You know, it's part of the agreement of them sending me this map, but they sent me this map, and it is fucking huge. All right, oh yeah, it's I love it, and I got a perfect spot to hang it on the wall. I'm like, okay, I'll make one of those videos where you throw it on the wall and all of a sudden it's framed, right? I'll do one of those, right? That'll be cool, and then zoom in on all the spots, right? So I go down to Hobby Lobby yesterday, which note to self, don't go to Hobby Lobby on Cyber Monday. There was probably 40 people in every line, just madhouse, right? So I go back, the biggest size frame that they have there is 24 by 36. Well, this thing is 44 by 36, it's massive, right? So I go ask, I'm like, hey, do you is this custom only? She's like, Oh yeah, and I'm like, okay. I said cheap. I want cheap. This is going on a wall. I'm not pushing any pins in it because it's a world map, and I I don't have any plans to travel the world in the future anytime soon. I just want to put this on the wall, cheap. Yeah, guess how much it came back?

SPEAKER_04 24:40

$280,$2700.

Matt 24:44

Yeah,$175 for a frame. I'm like, looks like I'll be reaching out to beds. Yeah, seriously. It's like, good, are you? I mean, good lord.

Joe 24:59

I know what you're saying, but like real framing is not cheap.

Matt 25:02

No, and and I wasn't going for real framing, I was going for cheap, like yeah, cheap. Hey, that one that's over there. If I had that size, that's$24.95. Can you do that in this size? No, damn. Okay.

Joe 25:18

For things that are like I don't know. Matt, did you ever get one of these? Oh, this is my Wicca Paw right here.

Matt 25:26

Yeah, I have my Wickapaw right here somewhere. Did you ever get one of what?

Joe 25:33

Stanley Cup print. That's sick. I bought one.

Dan 25:40

What? Stanley cup on top of the sword?

unknown 25:43

Yeah.

Joe 25:44

Yeah, 43 of 500. 43 of 500. That's awesome. I need like this is something. This is something you'd want professionally framed, you know. Yeah.

Dan 25:55

You need to get those, you need to get some autographs on that, Jeff.

unknown 25:58

I know.

Dan 25:59

That would be cool. I got the box. I forget the box.

Joe 26:03

Give it to Cyrus and he'll get uh like this boy with the with the Siggies. Uh that's I think that's Shay Theodore. I only got the original guys on this.

Dan 26:16

I don't know. Coach.

Joe 26:17

The coach also got on this one too.

Dan 26:20

Deboner? De Boner, what was that guy's name? De Boner? Debonair?

Matt 26:26

De Boner? That's the old coach.

Golf Art, Maps, And Memorabilia

Joe 26:29

De Boner. I also have all the pucks. I also have the pucks that I've been to.

Matt 26:34

The game. Yeah, that's that's what this is right here. Those are all the games that I oh yeah, I didn't think about that.

Dan 26:39

Man, we should have got a puck.

Matt 26:41

Should have been a little bit more than that.

Dan 26:42

I should have showed my tits and got a puck.

Joe 26:46

Inaugural season 156 of 500.

Matt 26:50

Yeah, I've got a I've got a Stanley Cup uh puck from the first year that's in the uh Steel Inaugural Season.

Joe 27:01

I think this one is how many pucks you got, Joe?

Dan 27:05

Like five or six?

Joe 27:06

I got a lot. This is inaugural season puck. Signed by I think Riley Smith and William Carlson. Not sure.

Matt 27:16

This is the game three against the Capitals. Did you go to the boys? No, I won it at work.

Joe 27:27

I got this Captain Morgan bottle signed by Tom Watson.

Dan 27:33

Tom Watson. Tom Watson, legend, legend. Drunk alcoholic.

Matt 27:39

This is last year, or no, it's 22. Uh, against Utawa. And that's who Dan and I went the other night against.

Joe 27:47

Yeah, fuck Canada. Let's go. Did you get one of these, Matt? This is the inaugural season card pack. Still in the Plasti Boys. Plasty Boys. Clini Boys, still in the Plasty Boys.

Matt 27:59

Got that in the in the closet.

Dan 28:03

Do you have any stuff, Jack? Do you have any uh Utah mammoth cards or anything?

Matt 28:09

Utah Carl Malone signed uh I actually do have a Carl Malone signed card.

SPEAKER_04 28:15

Nice. I got I got Jack Nicholas signed glove.

Matt 28:19

He's a video of him killing the mountain lion and he he reached into the den and and he's holding it up. Oh yeah. Oh my god. I was like, that is a fucking man right there. He is one arming a mountain lion. Who is Carl Malone?

Joe 28:35

Oh Carl Malone. The mailman, the mailman. Carl Malone.

SPEAKER_04 28:39

I used to have a poster of him. Uh he he had like this black semi-truck and he would drive it around. I don't know, it's weird. But he would he was like dressed in a cowboy chap's cowboy hat with his semi. Oh yeah. Signed by him at the pro image store in the mall. That was pretty sick. And then he turned into a rapist or something.

Dan 29:03

Got an underage girl pregnant.

Joe 29:07

Fucking loser. What a loser. Yeah.

Dan 29:16

Special delivery. Yep. That's crazy. Um uh did you guys know that Jack Nicholas has one of the all-time biggest black marlin um records?

SPEAKER_06 29:39

No.

Dan 29:40

Yeah, I think he's got like the fourth or fifth largest black marlin ever caught. He caught one off the coast of Australia and it weighed like 1,500 pounds. Well 1,490 pounds. Yeah, and that's fourth. Check it out, give it a goog real quick. That's crazy. They show him, yeah, it was like a week before a golf tournament or something like that. He was over there fishing and he Standing next to the fish, and it is absolutely massive. But yeah, at the time it was like the fourth or fifth biggest, uh not at the time.

SPEAKER_04 30:09

1358 pound black marlin. A six-hour battle. Can you imagine how exhausting that would be? I mean, he probably wasn't doing that.

Matt 30:20

Oh no, he had he had somebody reeling that in for five hours and fifty-eight minutes, and he hopped in the last two minutes to take credit for it.

Dan 30:27

Yeah, that thing is absolutely massive. Do you see the picture where he was standing next to it? Yeah, yeah, it's it is a huge fish. Jesus. It's like a shark great white shark. It's huge. Oh shit, that's another one. Some scary shit in the ocean. It was 15 and a half feet long. He battled it for six hours. That's nuts.

SPEAKER_04 30:51

That's not a good picture. It was 1978.

Dan 30:55

Yeah, it's a terrible picture, but yeah, I saw it right out right now.

Joe 31:02

Yeah.

Matt 31:03

Knew it. What what did you say to payment? Did he respond?

Joe 31:07

No, he's he's probably in a show modern or something.

Sandbelt Dreams And New Zealand Goals

SPEAKER_04 31:14

How sick. Speaking of Australia, how sick does Royal Melbourne look? That place looks spectacular.

Dan 31:20

There's so many good courses on that sand belt down there. And like over half of them are public.

Matt 31:27

Yeah. Need to go down under. Because it takes half a week to get there.

Joe 31:35

Jared, I think Jared's playing uh uh Terra ED.

Dan 31:38

Yeah, yeah, Terra ED or Terra Terai, I think. There's Terra L.

Joe 31:43

No, he's already played Terai.

Dan 31:45

Anyway, it's amazing. Yeah, that's it.

Matt 31:49

New Zealand literally looks crazy just from Lord of the Rings.

Joe 31:54

I want to go play there so bad. Got to get out there.

Matt 31:59

2031, fellas. So Joe says everything, gotta get out there. 24 hours, 24 hour flight. I was watching this thing one time. Like the world's best beaches, and they showed this one beach, it had a uh a cove area that was like just glass because there was a reef out in front of it, and the water, the the water was clear, white sand beaches. You stepped out of your cottage, you stepped down two steps, and then like five steps you were in the water, and it was it was just immaculate. I'm like, holy shit. So I Google it and I look, it was like$250 a night, and I'm like, what that's it? Yeah, because it cost you fifteen thousand dollars to get there. Like it was like an 18-hour flight, and then you had to take a boat to another island to hop on a puddle jumper, and then you had to get a fucking canoe ride to a village and a portion carriage, yeah. An aborigine, yeah, and I'm like, fuck, that's off the grid, grid. No wonder$250 a night.

unknown 33:08

Yeah.

Dan 33:09

Probably tuna, your balls are showing. Imagine that, bro. That'd be sick.

Matt 33:24

Who you watching, Joe?

Joe 33:26

No, I I well what I was doing was I couldn't hear anything about I couldn't hear anything um because of the AirPods. So uh Ambush was live, and when I did, fucking stupid, I bought an upgraded buyer's giveaway for him to give away a hat, and the second I bought it, he raided it into upstate.

SPEAKER_06 33:49

So because I couldn't hear anything.

Joe 33:54

I was trying to get in the buyer's giveaway, he was giving away something, and uh yeah, so I just took it priorities, man.

Matt 34:00

Priorities, come on.

Joe 34:02

Yeah, well, I mean, absolutely, just that's where I lose.

SPEAKER_04 34:05

Who is who's does upstate the one that has two accounts?

Live Selling, Buyers Giveaways, And Community

Joe 34:09

Upstate is from what I've been told is golf player, yeah. Yeah, okay. Shooters is on, golf punks raided me the other day. Uh Smoky's on, and let's go Smokey Doki. He reran a bunch of shit for me the other day. He's running a wheel though. Smoky's running on a wheel. Smokey dokey. I he he showed his hit in Green's hat and uh the other night when I bought from him, and he was like, I was like, shh, send me. I think I spent like nine bucks. I'm like, send me your crustiest putter you have. And it was pretty good though. But it's you know, it's the ones that you know, like he's got I think he's hit the wheels covering it, but he's got a hit and greens hat right behind him, you know. So it's like good advertising. Exactly. So I was I bought from him. I think I promoted his show, and it's so you look out for the ones that look out for you.

Matt 35:16

You need to do one in like bold letters that just is hit and greens, and so when somebody puts it up there, they can people can see it and read it.

Joe 35:28

I don't know what's going on with Pac Dad. I don't know. Um I would assume he spent too much money. I don't know, but um I texted Davy and uh I mean Davy was real close with him, so I don't know. But like, you know, here's Gott Paint right here. Rocking the hitting greens hat on his show. It was like a screenshot, so I got paint, but you know. I'm just I'm just saying, you know, and also I made that switch the other day, and I'm like, I'm not just gonna promise you guys something on the buyers giveaway, it's gonna be what you get. If you want to hang out, you can. If you don't, you don't. There's gonna be those shows.

Matt 36:18

I don't even do a buyer's because that people that'll let you know who's tuning in to watch you and what you're selling versus they're here just to win some shit because you you see it all the time. People pop in. What's the buyer? That's what I hate and they bounce.

Joe 36:35

That's what I hate. That's why I started doing that.

Matt 36:37

Yeah. So if you I mean, if you just hey, we're doing followers where we're giving away some stickers and shit for you just hanging out. Awesome. You want a buyers, go find somebody else's show, you know. Yeah, we're here to chat golf and and sell cool shit. Yeah, I think a lot a lot of people would have more respect for that than no. I think that's what I'm gonna start doing.

Joe 36:58

I mean, Tyler's huge, but he's he doesn't do buyers, yeah.

Matt 37:02

No, no, I'm I'm offering great shit, and you guys are stealing it from me most of the time at great prices. Somebody was trying to paint him the other day and talking about swag, and he just fucking was ignoring him.

Joe 37:14

Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna do shows where we give something away big, but yeah, I think it's like just hang out, we'll sell some shit. If you want if I mean if you win the buyers, I'm gonna load a buyers, could be a ball marker, could be tease. I don't know. You get you got something for free, and hopefully, in you enjoyed your time here.

Matt 37:36

That's more valuable than exactly, yeah.

Joe 37:40

Getting fucking somebody to buy something just to try to get they didn't want because they wanted an opportunity at getting a Scotty Cameron, which Scotty Cameron is the greatest putter company in the entire world. Dude, it's it's wild how many people still think that it's weird they're Scotties, bro. They love on the Scotty Hoard, so well, I hoard I hoard good Scotties, hoard good Scotties. Um any anything released, uh you know, I'll hoard stuff released pre-COVID. Pre-COVID Scotty Hoarder.

Matt 38:19

There you go. I wish I wouldn't have sold that Olson to uh Jason.

SPEAKER_04 38:28

Everybody still has posted on his site.

Matt 38:29

Everybody still has posted on his site, he hasn't sold it, but we could have fucking easily done 10 entries under all the things for that.

Joe 38:36

They wouldn't not know. They would not know. No, I know, but that's the thing. But like even uh payment failed just texting me today, and um I forget what he's asking me, but I said, Have you ever heard of Olson? He's like, never heard of him. And I sent him an Olson post, and he's like, Holy moly, the attention to detail, you know. Like I'm like, Yeah, this is you know, you know what I mean? So it's these guys just don't know, and uh it sucks. That's the majority.

Matt 39:13

It's not oh I know, I know it's wild how many people just don't it's it's I I I blame the publications because the the the you know the periodicals because that's how most of that was because it was all the ads, yeah. Those people who bought ad space were buying eyes. Um, but now that that's gone, you have to look at social media. I mean, Scotty's not big on social media. I mean, he's the people that follow, and then there's the fan pages and everything, but like his social media presence is how often do they make posts?

Joe 39:48

You know, it's it's not you know, they don't push crazy hard for social media, so I'm wondering where the I think it's the price tag is like any Scotty right now on the market is 500. I don't even know because I don't buy Scotty like the brand new ones, yeah. What are the brand new ones?

SPEAKER_04 40:06

Yeah, they're like 450, 450.

Scotty Culture, Customs, And Value

Matt 40:08

Well, you can go into galaxy and and get I mean, there's some that aren't that high dollar, right?

SPEAKER_04 40:14

Or are they all the they're they start around 450?

Joe 40:18

Okay, but it's it's hey, I could spend 20 bucks and win something that's worth 450.

Matt 40:25

Yeah, that's appealing.

Joe 40:26

That's what it is.

Matt 40:27

Appealing just they could do that with brands they don't know and they won't because they don't know it, they know Scotty, but why do they know Scotty?

SPEAKER_04 40:35

That's the thing that I think it's I think it back when I was younger and Scotty was kind of newish, it was just it was the price that made you think, wow, this is something special.

Joe 40:47

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:48

And it just it just built on from that. Like if you have a Scotty, people look, oh, you have a Scotty, or you know, what's the putter I should get? Scotty Cameron.

Matt 40:55

But it's like I think that's the same thing going on now with Lab because there was 600 bucks.

SPEAKER_04 40:59

I think there was some of that, but I think it wasn't all the price, I think it was the hype, and the hype, the difference, the something different.

Matt 41:08

Yeah, I I think it's a lot of I'm gonna be the first guy in my group to have this, you know. And then guys are like, Oh, he's got one, I gotta go check this out.

Joe 41:18

Oh, and you see that then it just tumbled, and that's what a lot of people that what a lot of them don't know is you could almost go get your own custom putter made for a couple bucks more, you know what I mean? Or yeah, same price or less goodwood, dude.

Matt 41:37

And that's and what's amazing about Goodwood is Dave made that, you know, exactly his hands personal, personal. You you want a putter that Scotty touched, you're paying five grand, you know. Yeah, um, and who knows, even those does he even touch anymore?

Joe 41:56

Probably not. I uh would highly Scotty's up on the hill, yeah, watching the the gliders over Tory Pants.

SPEAKER_04 42:04

I think Scotty, like the ones that he probably has anything to do with, are when the tour players want a putter made, he may do some of the finished work.

SPEAKER_05 42:12

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:14

I highly doubt he's milling putters.

Joe 42:16

Oh, god assume he touches the tour-only stuff. Semi semile. Maybe for George, he he gives the okay, maybe, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:30

But maybe the old stuff, like the old stuff that's floating around though, like the original Scotty Cameron, those for sure, I think, are special because those are ones that he started with. He worked on, yeah, yeah.

Matt 42:44

I agree 100%, but it's all massive.

Dan 42:47

Somebody had a black nap in there on one of the Scotty groups on mine in uh on uh Facebook. It's five six five five six hundred bucks. It was a I think it was like 590 or something like that. Was it restored or original? It's all original, and they have just you could see some oxidation spots, but yeah, fuck the putter's 30 years old now. Yeah, so it's uh it's fucking dope though. But I mean it's like 99 clean, like it is one of the cleanest all originals I've never I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_04 43:19

That's the thing, too. Like, there's so many. I mean, not not degrading their work or anything, like the refinishing places. I would not buy a Scotty camera that's been refinished anywhere else. I just don't think that it's the same. Like, like when you see the like, especially those ones where you see when they're like Tiffany blue and all that stuff, it's just not for me.

SPEAKER_03 43:41

Now for me.

SPEAKER_04 43:41

I I think it's I would much rather buy an old original, pay more original finish, oxidation, whatever, than buying something that's just been restored by someone, yeah. Yeah, unless it was this custom shop, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:59

Yeah, stuff. It's interesting. I mean, yeah. So what do you have, Joe? What Scottys do you have right now?

Joe 44:08

I have the button back, champion's choice, I have the pro platinum. Uh what is it? Pro platinum is it Mill spec 330? 330 right there. That's a very sick butter. Yeah, it's very sick. Um, I have the what's the one we said? No, the mallet's gone. Bing gone. Bing gone. Excuse me. Mallets are gone, blades are in.

SPEAKER_04 44:41

Dude, Dan putted very well with his five, what was it, 5.5? 5'2. 5'2.

Matt 44:48

You play that at Palms, too?

Dan 44:50

Yeah.

Matt 44:51

Uh oh. He was draining this. Oh, he's kicked the Goodwood.

Dan 44:56

To be honest with you, to be honest with you, um, I've been thinking about vinegar bathing my Goodwood. Take the dark finish off and get it back to the all-rack art again.

Matt 45:09

I still have some of that 80% vinegar here.

Dan 45:11

Every time I look at my uh my um um Newport style Goodwood, I'm like, man, I should do that to the mallet.

Matt 45:19

So I don't know.

Dan 45:20

I like the finish, but I don't know. I kind of want to see it raw now.

Matt 45:25

Jeremy's uh sending his in.

SPEAKER_04 45:28

I am sending it revision.

Dan 45:30

Are you yep? Oh shit.

SPEAKER_04 45:33

I'm gonna tell him to make it look just like Jordan Speet's putter. Title of stamp and everything.

Dan 45:41

You put 009 on the toe, please.

SPEAKER_05 45:45

Circle T on the heel.

Matt 45:50

That's awesome. He sent me a message today and he's he said uh uh he posted a picture of it on IG earlier. So you can see it. Yeah, he goes, infinity torque. Oh, but that face on it is so so cool. It is so good.

Dan 46:14

Yeah, he's he's killing it lately.

New Putters, Half-Ball Alignments, And Trends

Matt 46:17

Oh yeah, so I saw all the new Odyssey putters today, too. They have something called a half ball that they are doing on uh like the seven uh on the double wide uh blade where it's it's the lead the top edge is the half, and then the half the ball goes backwards. So it's round on the back, round on the back, flat on the front. It's only half of a ball. It's it looks really weird, but man, it lines up a ball really nicely.

Dan 46:58

And they're putting it on the seven. That's the fang, that's the one with the fangs.

Matt 47:02

The fang, they have it on the double wide, the seven. They have apparently Akshay is playing the DF3 style roomstick with the half ball this week. Rumor.

SPEAKER_04 47:16

So we'll see. Wonder what it's like in the meetings for what the new putter line. Like, what can we do this time? It's it's like right.

Matt 47:25

Well, Callaways are interesting thing. So, I mean, it they don't do anything unless it's gonna benefit, you know. And so I could see them, but with Akshay being a wildly popular name right now on tour, I could see them just spending hours with him going, let's let's find something that's gonna make you putt better. Yeah, it's such an individual thing with those guys once it gets up there, yeah. But then it just takes one, just takes him to play well, and then those things aren't on the shelves anymore. Crazy.

Joe 48:04

That was what was crazy with uh jailbirds. Yep, yeah. I saw somebody the other day and they were like 250, and uh I can't sell it for 120 now. Uh well, you know, the shit happens.

Dan 48:20

You know what's amazing to me is how much those fucking those fucking um uh those happy Gilmore hockey sticks are going for still. Yeah, that was wild. Dude, there's still$500.

Matt 48:31

I saw a guy at Sohai with one. It's crazy playing with it, playing his bag. I don't know if it was his like his putter that he used, but he had it in his bag.

Joe 48:41

That's a wall piece. That's something you spend$500 on to put on the wall. Nobody out there that I know better be playing with those happy Gilmar putters.

Matt 48:53

You never know, dude. Never know insane. When I saw a video, did you see have you seen that uh that training aid that it's the two balls that you you they're tied together, but there's there's a gap between them, there's like a stick and then it's two balls. I haven't seen that. Like if you if you hit it with a shut face, it curves left, if you hit it with an open face, it curves right, and you know, but if you hit it square, it goes straight. It's a trainer to help you square your face up. And uh I I thought it was interesting because the guy uses a lab putter and hits it on the toe, and it you know, the thing goes far left. I'm like, that's funny because according to videos, if you hit it on the toe, it still goes straight. Hmm, so what is it?

SPEAKER_04 49:50

Uh yeah, that's interesting.

Matt 49:54

Yeah, I was talking with Dave. I said, I I would love to be able to take a revealer device and have a way to just tighten it, tighten the bearing, you know, if it has a bearing, just to tighten the bearing, you know, with just like a minimal amount of tightness, just to see what happens when you put a Scotty blade in there and it's flopping all over the place, and you apply just a minimal amount of pressure. At what point does it stop flopping all over the place and then compare that to the pressure of a grip of someone's hands? You know, it's just I gotta stop talking about the revealer. Sorry, Sam. Yeah, you don't see much about that anymore. Not a lot. Well, I guess we can wrap this up. It's been almost an hour. Joe, we're gonna go.

Joe 50:58

See ya, Joe. Bye, Joe. There you guys. Toodle. Oh no.

Matt 51:07

Who does?

Joe 51:08

No one, yeah, Clint.

Matt 51:09

Oh no. That's the worst when little ones are ill.

Joe 51:13

Yeah, good luck.

Matt 51:14

Luck, Joe.

Joe 51:17

Shout out to all the subscribers of the show. Shout out to all the subscribers of the show.

Matt 51:22

We'll see you next week. Good night, everybody.