Chasing Darkness: Episode 355 Aftershow

What’s your real limit on a putter you’d actually game? We start with a jaw-dropping $7,500 listing and dig into the psychology behind gear lust, buyer’s remorse, and the thin line between a gamer and a shelf queen. From there, the conversation gets personal—quick hits about stolen clubs, the nostalgia of old Titleist woods, and why a retro round can sharpen your swing faster than most practice sessions.

We make a hard case that coaching outperforms consumerism. A targeted putting lesson can transform pace control and start lines without adding a single gram to your bag. Meanwhile, that $350 impulse buy might feel magic for a week and end up gathering dust. You’ll hear where each of us draws the line on price, what we’d risk bringing to the course, and why confidence should be earned with reps and feedback, not just milled faces and rare stamps.

Community matters just as much. We revisit a favorite event with an all-time swag bag and talk honestly about why organizing local tournaments is tougher now—tight tee sheets, tourist rates, and shrinking availability. So we’re pivoting: building a cleaner website hub, leaning into short-form video, and planning a Midwest golf trip we’ll film from airport pickup to final putt. Expect simple, useful clips, gear walk-throughs, and real moments that show golf the way we live it—no staged cart flips, just the good stuff.

If you’ve ever weighed a lesson against a new wand, or wondered how to grow a golf community without losing the soul, this one’s for you. Hit play, tell us your putter price ceiling, and share the smartest investment you’ve made in your game. Subscribe, leave a review, and send this to a golf friend who’s one click away from another “fix.”

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Transcript

Cold Open And Tech Bloopers

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Welcome to the darkness, motherfucker.

unknown 0:02

Welcome.

SPEAKER_02 0:08

That's such a killer point. I love that.

SPEAKER_04 0:13

I'm sorry. You're dying. Good news. Congratulations. You got the potion. Oh man. Where are these guys at? I don't know. They did they know that to refresh the screen? Uh I don't know. Uh repress. There we go. There's Jeremy. There's Jeremy.

SPEAKER_01 0:44

Sorry, my that sound you were hearing when we were recording earlier, the thump thump thump, was my deck lowering automatically?

SPEAKER_04 0:52

Oh, whoa.

SPEAKER_01 0:53

Because I didn't realize I put my water bottle on the button. I don't know if you could see it in the camera, but I was like panicking trying to like fix it without looking like I'm trying to fix something.

SPEAKER_02 1:05

And it was just like oh I was wondering what that was. I go, it sounds like so weird.

Matt 1:10

I was like, who is going to town on themselves during the show? No, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:16

No cranking down mid-show.

SPEAKER_01 1:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:19

Just yeah, that was a new one a little bit longer.

SPEAKER_01 1:22

Usually I put my all my stuff on this foam mat under my laptop, but it was tonight. It I didn't do that. So yes.

Matt 1:32

Well, now since I have the extra day, I've been able to go in and like delete all the yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

Yeah, the dumping the mic sounds.

Matt 1:45

Yeah, so it's uh it's good. Yeah, you gotta we gotta get to to get the mic off the table. So anytime you touch your desk, it it makes a noise. Yeah, mine mine's on the table.

SPEAKER_05 2:02

You're fucking out of the audio tomorrow.

SPEAKER_04 2:10

Oh man.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

So I got a question for you guys. So I was scouring Epic Scotties, of course. Yep, and that putter I sent you,$7,500, which is really steep for that, but it's they always jack prices up. What's the limit on price for a putter that you would game? Like I know you want the Napa, Dan, and I don't know if it's be you wouldn't play it because it's expensive or because it's just not an easy putter to use.

The $7,500 Putter Debate

SPEAKER_02 2:41

I wouldn't play it because for to for two reasons. Yeah, for those are two reasons. Um, and besides, those are hard to find in great shape. And when you do, yeah, I'm not gonna game it. I'm just gonna keep it and keep it in good shape. But other than that, I would say probably$500 is the most I'm gonna put I'm gonna put really on putter.

unknown 2:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:59

That I would game.

Matt 3:01

Yeah. Um shit. That's that's any putter nowadays.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

Yeah, I was like that's the custom goodwood, so we're almost 500.

Matt 3:10

That's what Odysseys are going for now.

SPEAKER_01 3:12

So yeah, that's normal putter price.

Matt 3:15

600 bucks for the cruiser, the new trihot cruiser.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

Yeah, it's insane. I I would game a circle T for sure, 100%. It would go straight in the bag. But the 7500, that is crazy. I think I would enjoy it, but I would regret it later.

Matt 3:32

But that's once I mean you you would like have to bring that inside with you when you eat. You'd have to, you know. That's I'm taking my clubs to the car, and I'm gonna keep my putter with me in case my car gets stolen.

SPEAKER_01 3:47

Yeah, well, I've had a putter stolen out of my bag at the golf course before, so Scotty. Uh it was uh Taylor-made Rossi or Rosa Rossa, I can't remember the name.

SPEAKER_02 3:58

It had that red insert on the face. Remember the Rossa putters, yeah.

Club Theft Stories And Retro Gear

SPEAKER_01 4:02

Yeah, it was it was sick, but that was like the first putter I bought that was it's like 200 bucks back then, I think. Yeah, yeah, I got stolen right out of my bag at Hobo Creek.

Matt 4:14

In Utah, yeah, in Utah.

SPEAKER_01 4:17

What damn tourists? No, it wasn't that yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:22

I uh was that um Angia Park, and this was early 2000s, maybe 2001, before I was catting at Bears Best, and I get done with a round of golf, and I put my clubs in the back of my truck, and I had a ton of cover, so I threw the tonne of cover down a fiberglass one. My fault, I didn't lock it, but I was like, I'm gonna go inside the clubhouse real quick, uh grab a Gatorade and a snack, and then leaf. I was gone five minutes. If that I came back, my fucking tunnel cover was up, and I go, What the fuck? And I look back there and they took they didn't they left my irons and everything else, but they took my brand new uh I think I had nine. It was when the 980, the 975 J's came out. Do you remember that driver, Jeremy? Yeah, I had a I had a 975 J and then I had a 973 wood and a PT 175 wood, and those were gone.

SPEAKER_05 5:20

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 5:21

That's still all my stole all my three woods, all my uh that's all very woods.

SPEAKER_01 5:25

I might have it. I bought a 975 J on whatnot. That might be yours. Check that serial. What shaft did you have in it?

SPEAKER_02 5:37

Did you have the I had the EI70, bro?

SPEAKER_01 5:40

Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_02 5:42

EI70 60X.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

Yep, the classic. Wow. Yeah, we need to go play around with some like retro-ish clubs. I don't have any really old irons. I think my oldest iron set that's like legit is like 2014.

Matt 6:02

Yeah, I have those atoms that are they're actually really nice to hit. I just man, they're not forgiving at all.

SPEAKER_01 6:14

They're not. Yeah, but man, they're pretty.

Matt 6:16

Oh god, they're pretty.

SPEAKER_01 6:18

Yeah, I need to find it. I still want to set a 962s. Those that'll happen at some point.

Matt 6:28

Jeremy, what's so do you have a limit like the most you'll spend and game something?

SPEAKER_01 6:33

Uh most I will comfortably spend. Like if it came down to it and I won one of those Wednesday morning auction things on Scotty, I would probably pay$3,500 for a putter.

Matt 6:44

And and game it?

SPEAKER_01 6:45

I would game it. I think it'd be tough after above that. And it for even like$2,500, it's I have a little more variance in what I would accept, but for$35, it would have to be the perfect one. After that, I'm selling it probably. What about you, Jim?

Joe 7:02

Buy it and selling it. I mean, what is the most I spent was for the Strokes gain, which was$800 from Roars, but I mean that was I I got that off a ten dollar off a ten dollar bet. So yeah, I don't even know. It's I mean, I I guess I'd have to say 800. I mean, I don't know, because I mean the Logan. Shout out Cliff. Subscribing. Thank you. Also appreciate appreciate that. Uh I'll probably never play that because it's a moment in time that was awesome and uh it was a great day.

SPEAKER_01 7:46

And uh I'm not sure that's why I don't play my strokes gained.

How Much Would You Game And Spend

Joe 7:54

Yeah, that's not my I don't play mine, but I know I don't like the way it feels, but personally I was trying to I was trying to hype it up for Olsen, like it's too good.

SPEAKER_02 8:05

But yeah, you know what I won for that tournament? Yes, a one-hour lesson with the pro. Did you use it? Out of all those fucking badass gifts, I won a one-hour lesson with a PGA pro. I didn't win anything.

Joe 8:22

From the RebelGolf?

SPEAKER_02 8:25

No, from Paiute. Oh, I ended up trading that to um I have the trade right here. Yeah, dude, that was trading that to um to um Allen Golf, the people who made the head covers.

Joe 8:41

Oh, yeah, yeah. For some head covers, yeah, yep.

SPEAKER_02 8:43

Yeah, they traded me the lesson thing for the head covers.

Matt 8:46

Let's see.

SPEAKER_02 8:46

Who did who did you play with, Dan? Do you remember? I played with them, the all and golf. Okay.

Matt 8:51

You played with Karen and Nick and Nick's dad. Their dad, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:56

I think me, Joe, Peeler, and Reed might have played.

Matt 8:59

No, it's you're not right. Joe Reed and Joel from uh Atomic Golf. Atomic Golf.

SPEAKER_01 9:05

Oh, that's right. Yeah.

Matt 9:07

Yeah. I was with my buddy Andrew, Kyle Peeler, and the guy from Goodwalk Coffee. And let's see, who else was in this? Uh we recognize any other names that we still know. Miles was with Travis Sessler and Scott Volmuler. Miles Gallegos? No, Brown, Miles Brown. Oh. Cliff played with Robbie Nick, Matt Pizarski, and Brian Brown. Um, Gary Tobin played with Mike McKelpin, Rodney Lopez, and Sean Smith, Casey Merch.

Joe 9:49

Yeah, Casey.

Matt 9:51

King of uh Sunrays. Let's see. Greenley played with Robert Winnig, Mark DeRosa, and Daniel Bacora.

SPEAKER_02 10:03

I remember when I got there, I was like, the last to show up. Yeah. And Matt goes, Are you Dan? I go, yep. He goes, Awesome. Here you go. See ya. Oh, here's your car. See ya. Oh I was like, later, thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_04 10:23

Do you know what's crazy?

Tournament Memories And Epic Swag

Matt 10:26

Is there was because we were supposed to play three rounds of golf. We had 60 players. So three rounds of golf was$175.

Joe 10:42

That's crazy.

Matt 10:43

That's what the contract is.

Joe 10:46

Yeah.

Matt 10:47

Wow, have times changed.

SPEAKER_02 10:49

Yeah, that's that's really that's 18 holes now.

Matt 10:52

There I had the list of what everybody won around here somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

Yeah, what was there two putters or was there more?

SPEAKER_04 11:03

Oh, there was uh there's all kinds of shit.

Matt 11:07

There was yeah, there was the Olsen, there was the uh Wood Putter from uh oh yeah, from Hadley from Bradley Putters, the Strokes Gain Putter. There was some Wilson Reggie. Yeah, um I had some US T Mamiya Shafts, I had a Wilson bag.

SPEAKER_02 11:27

Um Nick won the Wilson bag, the guy I played with, and then his girl won the Kraken Crayon tool.

Matt 11:34

Oh, yeah, there was that.

SPEAKER_02 11:35

I remember all that shit holistic.

Matt 11:37

Yeah, god, there was so much stuff, so much stuff. I find that I just saw it the other day, and I'm like, whoa, that's cool.

SPEAKER_01 11:46

Was that June of 2020? Yeah, yeah, that's like two months after I moved here.

Matt 11:53

Really?

SPEAKER_01 11:55

Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, that was two months after I moved here, and it's crazy that Dan was there and we didn't know him until like a few months after that, I think.

SPEAKER_02 12:05

Yep. I remember Jay, the first time I met you was at National. Yep, and then Joe, the first time I met you was at uh TPC Vegas when you and Mikey, you and Mikey Bushuno won that second place or whatever it was in that event.

Joe 12:19

I I got paired with Cliff it was me and Adam, right? Oh, it was you and Adam. That's who I was.

SPEAKER_02 12:24

Yeah, you and Adam. And me and Cliff got paired together. Okay, we played with Jeremy in that event. I remember Jeremy. I forgot Jeremy. Who did you play with in that event, Jay? Crazy.

Matt 12:37

I can't remember.

SPEAKER_02 12:39

I don't remember either.

Matt 12:41

So in the swag bag, we had the grinding golf head cover, the Legends Never Die head cover, the atomic golf ball marker, a dozen Wilson balls, the Goodwalk Coffee Tumblr, Goodwalk Coffee mug, um, the the Legends Never Die golf tees, the Legends Never Die Towel from Eagle Par Birdie Golf, the glove from Northwest Golf, head cover from KC Golf, stickers, and the cigars.

SPEAKER_02 13:10

You had the best, you had the best swag bag of any tournament I've ever been a part of, Matt. It was really good.

Matt 13:17

It was pretty good. It was pretty good. And then so the raffle items. We had a closest to the pen was a tailor-made wedge, um, a print of the 15th hole from Brian Orr, and a Strokes Gain ball marker. Um, and then let's see. So the Strokes gain putter went to Jeremy. Uh, the Fat Choi Cafe$25 gift certificate went to Joe.

Joe 13:44

I don't even remember, I don't even remember using that.

Matt 13:47

We gave away four of those. I'm sure I traded that to somebody. There was uh ball marker and divot tools from 310 golf. Um Brian Brown won. Stymie Golf head cover and valuable pouch was Cadwell Collins. Uh 18 Birdie Premium for a year was Peeler. Uh Kraken was Karen Lassnow. Karen Lesnow. Yeah, Karen Lesnow. Wilson Golf Wedge was Kyle Peeler. Uh, we had three Wilson bags. Nick, Cadwell, and Jeff Baker won those. Um Brickley Golf. It was just I just have your swag. So I don't know what it was, but some guy named Eric won that. Sneaker head cover company, head cover, t-shirt, and a print. Uh Gary won that. True Linkswear was a bag, a shirt, hat, and some shoes. Daniel Pakor won that. Travis Matthews was a$250 gift card. Robert Camper won that. Two uh UST Mamia Link shafts. That was Michael Vasegas, Michael Villigus, and Nick Lastnow Sr. Oh, Sean Rowe. That's who your lesson was from. Oh golf instruction, Daniel Hodges. All in golf company covers. Uh VA golf shaft. Uh my buddy Randy won that. Carbon putters. That's right. There was uh guy carbon putters, Derek Jones won that. A set of Haywood wedges.

Joe 15:25

Haywood golf of my dad. Brian Brown won that.

Raffles, Winners, And Gear Haul

Matt 15:28

Yeah, golf of my dead BGT golf shaft. Scott V won that. Uh True Tech Putter. That was one of the um BGT brands. Um True Tech Putter. The Jason Burnett, he was in it. He won that. Ricky Johnson putter, Orhe as Liligus won that. Bradley Putter, Gary Tobin won that. The Olsen Putter, Cliff. I have Cliff Friedman, that's what Erica wrote down. Uh and then there was a Hanma driver, a drone. Uh, I remember Miles won the drone, didn't he? I don't remember. And uh Pete Dye. It says Pete Guy Dice Staff Reed won that. Pete Dice Staff. I can't Erica wrote it down. It Pete Dice stuff. I think that guy that sent me that flag for you, he sent some other things as well. Pete Dice Ashes. Pete Dice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:35

Shes from Cabo del Sol or uh Casa de Congo.

Matt 16:40

Yeah, and we were charging, what were we charging? 250 bucks to play. 250. 250. Yeah, because it was 350. And when we lost one of the courses, it went down to 250.

SPEAKER_01 16:51

I know that was a lot of work, but that was such a good time.

Matt 16:55

That was a fun event because it wasn't what I liked. What I liked about it is it wasn't a tournament. It was just let's go have let's just go golf.

SPEAKER_01 17:04

And it was hot. I just remember it's hot. That was like my welcome to Vegas play in the summer afternoon round heat.

Matt 17:13

It's like I would take 175 to play in a tournament at Paiute, you know, for 18 holes right now. God.

SPEAKER_02 17:23

Would it be would it be uh uh a good idea to maybe host a tournament like that to maybe raise funds for either Vegas Golf Network or our podcast? Would it be worth our time? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

Probably not at Pio Charge.

SPEAKER_02 17:41

No, probably not at PyO. Maybe Boulder Creek's Boulder Creek. I'm just saying if there's like a way where you know we could host a tournament and do try to get you know the VGN guys to play in it and maybe you know make us a thousand bucks so we can fucking take a couple days and go play somewhere or put that towards uh put that towards a uh for Hadley auction.

Joe 18:01

That would be cool to play all three at Boulder Creek. That would be awesome.

Matt 18:05

Yeah, maybe we're gonna think about well. I uh I told Jeremy that um more than likely, it's like 90% that 26 is gonna be the last year for the VGN of me running.

Joe 18:19

Buying the van. Buying the van.

Matt 18:21

Well, I it it's 27 is gonna be chaotic for me. I got Brooklyn graduating high school, Emma graduating college, don't know where Brooklyn's gonna go, so I'm sure we're gonna be going on trips where she's gonna go. I get it. I want to go, you know, I want to do more with you guys, you know. I I mean I love the VGN and I love everything that we've done. And but it's just it's getting so hard to book courses now. And you know, after hearing some of the staffers talking about local tournaments and and how they hate them, you know, and me sitting there and them not knowing that I run local tournaments and hearing these guys just yeah, dog shit us, you know, it's like, well, fuck, no wonder no one wants to work with us, you know. Yeah, yeah, because nobody wants to work with us.

Joe 19:13

So yeah, they're chasing those uh those tourists trying to get that extra buck.

Matt 19:17

I get it. They were like, uh no, I'm not gonna book you for 30 players on a Saturday morning in prime rate, uh, at a local rate. Because as soon as I hang up the phone, those spots are filled at 10 times that price.

Coaching Value Vs Buying New Putters

Joe 19:32

Well, it's it's the it's the whatnot versus eBay. It's you know, take a sure thing, make some money, know what you're bringing in, or uh wait it out. Maybe the economy dies, maybe maybe nothing, you know, maybe people quick golf and you throw it on eBay and it doesn't sell. So it's I live it on a cloud. So

SPEAKER_02 20:00

But I do like your idea about playing more golf with us, Matt. That's nice.

Matt 20:03

Yeah. You know, it's just it's going more trips. I mean, Erica said to me, he goes, you know, if if you made minimum wage, you'd actually have a really good salary for as much time as you put into this.

unknown 20:18

Yeah.

Matt 20:19

Thanks.

SPEAKER_01 20:21

Oh, yeah. Shit.

Matt 20:25

Uh oh. I just realized I didn't plug something in, but it still worked. Interesting. That's good to know. That's good to know.

Joe 20:38

Ghosts.

Matt 20:39

Well, the the USB C connected to the computer powers the road streamer. So I just didn't have the power from the plug plugged in. So I freaked out. I thought that wasn't connected to the computer, but it wouldn't have shown up. So we're good. Freaked out there for a minute. I get it. Okay, so we're gonna we're gonna put out the episode. I'll put the episode out Friday. So I'll schedule that. Uh won't be a private episode. Um what's sad. I oh I forgot to mention this during the show. You know, I put out on Instagram, uh, hey, if you have any questions for Preston, send them in. Kyle, Kyle motherfucker. Uh he sent in two questions.

Joe 21:30

So it during he loves it. He loves it.

Matt 21:34

During the podcast, I said, uh, apparently our listeners. Apparently, our listeners are really good at golf and don't need to get better at putting, so that's good to know. But no, he didn't say he had a he had a couple questions. He had a couple questions you have to listen to. I don't remember that my notes are over there.

Joe 21:55

But he knew what he was talking about.

The Putter Collection Show-And-Tell

Matt 21:57

Oh, yeah, he asked legit questions. Yeah, okay, yeah. I just was shocked that nobody else had any question. I mean, oh okay, I see what you're saying. Yeah, only only one person submitted two questions. You know, I was but again, it's so funny. Nobody knows who Preston is. So I was hoping that me showing his picture and his you know top coach in America accolade would have uh sparked maybe some interest.

Joe 22:32

Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of people don't really care much anymore. I don't know. I mean, it's virality, it's not accolades, you know, or something, whatever it is. I don't know.

Matt 22:47

Yeah, well, I mean, he his focus is people that play for paychecks. That's who that's who he helps, you know. He's he works with professional golfers, yeah. You know, his his clientele is not the weekend hacker, right? You know, so but it's amazing that if you know he was like get an online lesson or go buy a$350 putter, you know, you could you could get the lesson and improve your putting with your current gamer, or you can go buy a$350 putter and think it's gonna fix your problems and it's not.

Joe 23:27

Yeah, maybe for one day, maybe, but oh yeah, not a lot, not a lot because I did that.

SPEAKER_01 23:36

Oh yeah, we've all done it. Yeah, it's just some shiny, feel confident, shiny, and then you just put it in your closet and let dust collect on it, just like the rest of them.

SPEAKER_02 23:51

Oh, I get so many things, like a mushroom's growing on it.

Matt 23:54

Yeah, uh oh, what's he getting now?

SPEAKER_02 23:58

I will say though that it's got a camera collection bag. That's the mill spec. Nice.

unknown 24:06

He shows it.

SPEAKER_02 24:08

Find me a 350.

Joe 24:10

So it's got so this has just got to be like age right here. You see that that oh yeah, it's yeah, yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

It's that's a carbon.

SPEAKER_04 24:19

It's carbon. That's a carbon.

Matt 24:22

Oh you need to roll that, Joe. You should. You need to bring that Saturday.

Joe 24:28

Does it feel light? Uh no, it feels pretty similar to my strokes game, honestly.

Matt 24:36

It's yeah, it's the same design. Dude, that's it's very nice.

SPEAKER_02 24:41

That is a gem of a putter, bro.

Joe 24:43

Yeah, it's growing. Got this one, the terrarium, the champs choice back here. Scotty Order.

SPEAKER_01 24:51

What's is your terrarium uh Santa Fe?

Joe 24:58

I think so. It's a flow neck.

SPEAKER_02 25:00

Yes, he does have the Santa Fe. It's also very Santa Fe's only came on the flow neck, I think, back then. Yeah, I think the new ports were uh stuffed.

Joe 25:10

Yeah, so pack dad pack dad bought this for me. I sold it at Pac Dad.

SPEAKER_01 25:17

Who is it?

Joe 25:18

Oh Wilson St. Andrew Edition to Iron.

SPEAKER_02 25:23

It's a big five special.

Joe 25:25

Yeah, but it's I was like, I kind of wanted to keep this pack dad bodies like keep it. So I did, and then David bought me that.

SPEAKER_02 25:40

But I what did you buy then?

Joe 25:45

I don't I don't remember, I don't know. You know, it was something. No, I no, I don't think I've ever said keep it to somebody. Because I usually say, like, I wasn't gonna run this because like I almost I kind of wanted to keep this, you know, and it's just like hey, we'll just run it because we gotta run something, right? So and then one of those guys will be like, keep it okay, because I'm just looking for stuff to yeah, run, you know. But that's why it gets it gets thrown on the wall. Not to be sold again, never to be instead of saying like instead of saying like rerun, you know, which is a tip, but if they tell me to keep it, it's a gift.

Matt 26:32

Hey, look at that. Look at our subscriber count right now. Can you see it?

Joe 26:36

Uh over 800. Oh, 777.

Matt 26:38

Crib seven crib sevens.

Joe 26:43

Dude, Jason, the slice has found his way. I love it. He's killing it, he's doing really good. He he says throw sevens in the chat because we're from Vegas.

SPEAKER_04 26:53

Yeah, he's he's on almost every day. I know he's still doing breaks and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 27:01

Yeah, that's all he does. Yeah, hey, why not? These people are dumb enough to pay$30 for a sleeve of balls and a fucking four pack of teas.

Joe 27:10

Yeah, I don't do it very often.

SPEAKER_02 27:14

I do it too.

Joe 27:15

It's crazy.

Matt 27:18

It's wild, but people do it. Yeah, yeah, how long it lasts, but yeah. I mean, he's got what six, seven putters and a bag and some other shit up there. I mean, plenty of stuff for people to choose from. So it's like, oh, you didn't win today, come back tomorrow. Yeah, he usually has some pretty good stuff for the book.

Joe 27:38

He has really good stuff, yeah.

Matt 27:40

Oh, yeah, fantastic stuff, but I don't know, the sleevable. I did it, I but I did one, I bought one entry just to just to see. And uh I mean, if you're all still in the mailbox.

VGN Future And Course Access Reality

Joe 27:53

Problem is, is if you're a gambler and you have like that a gambling addiction. Ooh, that's bad. If you can do it, I mean, if if you're the type of person like, hey, I'm gonna go to the casino and throw 40 down, maybe 80 down a day and gamble, like that's kind of my style, right? So, like maybe once a week I'll be like, Oh, I'll throw 40 bucks down on a long shot, you know. Yeah, especially if I'm modded and I I've been commenting a lot because you I think it's engagement helps you win or first-time purchases.

SPEAKER_02 28:28

Yeah, but you getting that button back was huge, though, too.

Joe 28:32

Oh, yeah, made it all worth it. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, I didn't won shit.

Matt 28:40

I did win one thing and I gave it away on the show.

Joe 28:43

Yeah, I mean, there's people that I mean, you didn't win a buyer's, you wanted followers, yeah. But I'm just I won something, it doesn't matter what it's real, it's real because people are out there that have addictions and it's just feeding.

Matt 28:57

Oh, yeah, another way, it's yeah, it's a different way to see your pornography.

SPEAKER_04 29:06

A new unique way, yeah.

Joe 29:10

It's an expensive porno. When you're like when you win, you're like, whoa, whoa, you know, it's a dopamine hit for sure. 100%.

Matt 29:21

Hey, eight subscribers now on stage and chasing daylight clips.

Joe 29:27

There's the four of us, and then four more. Nice, yeah, yeah. I was already thinking it's so weird.

Matt 29:33

This this video is of Joe laying on the ground recording me abandoned got what oops, hang on, damn it. That view or that video got 1700 views, and then Joe teen off at uh Black Mountain or Black Desert got four.

Joe 30:00

That's so weird.

SPEAKER_04 30:02

Four.

SPEAKER_01 30:04

Can you auto-post to Twitter or uh to TikTok? Uh auto post like yeah, like schedule post or so you don't actually have to use it, you can just like send your post to TikTok.

Matt 30:20

Um I don't know. I'd have to I I think I can share to TikTok. Let's see. Let's just try this one to see what happens.

SPEAKER_01 30:33

We still have a we still have a page on there, right?

Matt 30:37

Yeah. Uh TikTok doesn't come up on the other things. I'd have to look and see.

SPEAKER_01 30:44

As much as I hate TikTok, I just think that they're crushing all the other shorts anyway. It's wild because it's just a different demographic, too. It's young, teenagers, yeah.

Matt 30:57

It yeah, it's a lot of a lot of young kids. It comes from China. Dan's putting at uh LBCC uh was the last one that I put on there, and that did well. I got 900. I was testing out the uh the show clips on there, and I mean they're getting some views, but it's the dance, it's the air hump that brought him in. The air hump brought him in.

SPEAKER_01 31:25

I got this guy's pelvic thrust.

Growth Ideas, Link Trees, And Website

Matt 31:29

But this guy has ribs like you're almost all one Dan at Popstroke got 3,000 on TikTok. Us at Atomic Golf got like 3,500. Uh the choke that I got got 6,900.

SPEAKER_02 31:44

We're just gonna have to be lame and get on TikTok if we want some exposure. That's pretty much what it comes down to.

SPEAKER_01 31:50

Yeah, I just think like like we're just we're not the guys that are rolling golf carts and like we're happy Gilmoring, and you know.

SPEAKER_02 32:01

But the thing is though, we play with guys that do roll golf cards today.

SPEAKER_01 32:05

That's very true.

SPEAKER_02 32:06

We need to keep we need to keep those cards ready to go.

SPEAKER_01 32:09

We need that GoPro running it all together.

SPEAKER_02 32:11

I wish we could have been, I wish we could have recorded what we saw that one time. Oh, that would have definitely got over fucking a million views.

Joe 32:18

Oh, for sure. If you're one of our subscribers and still listening to this, you can send us a message on your thoughts, and that's how we'll know that you're listening. What do we do? What do we do to grow?

Matt 32:35

Uh, I think we're doing the right thing. Well, uh, I told uh Jeremy was helping me earlier today get it going. Um, I forgot that I had bought the chasing daylight podcast.com domain a while ago when I had it routed to that uh what was it called? Uh pod something. Yeah, but it was a page or whatever. Pod page, yeah. Um so I have redone that and I I'm I started um building that web page now. Oh yeah. Um bring it up and I'll show you.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

We can when I get done with the ranking sheet, we can embed that on the site somewhere. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Let's see, where is share, share, share, share.

Matt 33:24

Window tab share.

Joe 33:32

So oops. What if we did what if we did a video, like a real video, like have someone film it? And then we did like a video where it's like uh you know, full house intro. Yeah, like and it's like it's like I hit a shot and I'm like whatever happened to the milkman and the paperboy, like Dan hits a little stinger and he's like turns around. I turn around and give it like a Mentos fucking mentos commercial with you have leave up in your bag, you hit the shot and you like hit it real tight, and then you just pop another ball like uh that's good at video, and we think of a few of those things.

Matt 34:33

Um here's what the website looks like right now. Um, so I'll slowly start pulling this off of 1440 so that doesn't get any more traffic going to it. Uh but the main page, I've got our most recent episode. I've got five. So this has uh 20 episodes, I think. 20, yeah, 20 episodes will be right there. The most recent 20. Then I got five campus episodes there. Uh our social channels and a contact us. Um, the about page, I got a build. Um, I've got the show host here. Dan, I need a bio from you, so write something up.

SPEAKER_02 35:10

I was gonna say, geez.

Matt 35:13

Uh this is uh all the episodes.

Shorts Vs TikTok And What Works

SPEAKER_02 35:17

I piss excellence. I piss we can make that bigger if you want.

Matt 35:22

Yeah, I the the code only allowed me to uh add depth to the page. It didn't allow me to add depth to this, so I'll let you get in there and and rework that because I'd like that to fill up down here with all the episodes. Uh so that's that. Uh there's a blog page I just put, I don't know if we'll ever do anything. Um, I'm gonna move the store over and then the contact page I'll build. So but then I'm gonna I'm gonna build a guest page uh and we'll have that with all the links to the episodes.

SPEAKER_01 35:55

So do you have our banner for Garson on there?

Matt 35:58

They must have missed it if you didn't uh yeah, when I I let's see, I had it on on something that I have a uh a side panel on, it it'll have it.

SPEAKER_01 36:11

So if I do this to yes, you know what would be cool, and I was thinking about this after you were showing me all the grips the other night. Is if we have one of every grip, maybe going through each grip, talking about it, just posting a video about it. I think like when the people that are you know on the podcast or whatnot, they might not know which kind of grip they want or what each grip the difference is.

Matt 36:40

Yeah, we could totally do that.

SPEAKER_01 36:43

Yeah, yeah.

Matt 36:44

I'll get with them and and make sure we have all the verbiage right and and uh you know make sure that we don't uh leave anything out. Leave anything out. So that we got stickers, we've got the new website. So um no, the the guy from Think Media, uh, he was he had something that he posted the other day, and it was uh is your business struggling? I know it is. You know why I know because you have a link tree in your bio. And um I was like, I was like interesting, you know, because I don't know if you've ever seen what's on ours. Um hi Quinn.

SPEAKER_02 37:30

Hi, little Katie.

Matt 37:32

Right? Bring this up and I will show you guys again. Share screen.

Joe 37:47

No, no, how about that?

Matt 37:53

No so on IG, if you click on this right here, it takes you to the uh bio page, and this is what it goes to. Uh so it's got why is that delaying? Come on. There, okay, yeah. So here's the page. Uh so it's got all the links to the website, podcast, Spotify, all this. Here you can subscribe to premium, the latest episodes, clicks to all our Instagram pages, Garson with the code, golf stop, RogerGolf.

Joe 38:33

All right, they're going to bed, and I'm gonna run to the store. So I'll catch y'all later. Tootles, TFN.

Content Plans, Gear, And Trip Vlogging

Matt 38:41

Uh, and then I got the Vegas rankings down at the bottom. So uh I've always thought this was nice, you know, it looks professional. Um, we don't get a ton of clicks on it, we get some, but not a ton. And so uh after watching uh him talk about, you know, if you have I know you're struggling because you have a link tree, um, you're you're giving people too many choices. If you if you have a link tree, then they open up the link tree, and then you have options and you're giving people choices where you have one link, everything is on that page that you send them to, you're gonna have a better response rate. So uh that's what made me go, okay. We need to get the website going again.

SPEAKER_01 39:31

Yeah. Then you can also control, like if you want to change info on there all the time or yeah, put the latest post, the latest uh episode.

Matt 39:42

Well, and I and I go and I update that every week. It's like when the episode goes live, I go in, I add the link, I change the title, I add the link, I change the title, you know. So it's it's just another step that I won't have to worry about because it's on the website now, you know. And if you click the link on our profile, it takes you. The website, everything is right there. So why pay for that service? We don't need it. So the powder, liquid death? Not as good. I don't even know they had powder. Yeah, they have powder packets. A little gritty.

SPEAKER_04 40:26

A little gritty, but uh, what flavor do they make in the powder?

Matt 40:29

Uh all the same ones, I believe. That was the cherry one.

SPEAKER_02 40:34

Cherry obituary.

Matt 40:36

Yeah, it's it's okay. Not great. But get you through. Get you through. Yeah, so I I think we're doing good. I think we're doing good. I think we're doing good.

SPEAKER_02 40:48

Word.

SPEAKER_01 40:49

We when we go to landman, we should uh I don't have any equipment, cameras, mics, stuff like that, but maybe we should get a couple things. Or like even just like phone like phone mount things that we can easily just haul around with us when people are hitting and dude.

Matt 41:06

The cameras on these new phones are we oh my god. So we can totally do it with that.

SPEAKER_01 41:11

And the mics that you have connect to them, right? Bluetooth.

Matt 41:14

Yep, yep. I've got I've got the road, I've got a couple different wireless mics. I've got the road, the really good road ones, and I've got the small one too.

SPEAKER_02 41:24

We should do that. We should do some mic depth footage out there.

SPEAKER_01 41:27

We should do some vlog like getting to the airport and getting in the Omaha or wherever we land and driving and stopping it. Dude, we gotta do it right from the get-go.

SPEAKER_02 41:38

Like when we pick each other up and go.

SPEAKER_01 41:41

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 41:41

Yeah. Get all the behind the scenes shit. I agree.

Matt 41:47

I'm weird. Instagram trip.

SPEAKER_02 41:49

I'm looking forward to that trip. Yeah, yeah. So how did we decide where we're gonna fly into? Do we want to do Omaha? Do we want to do Minneapolis?

Matt 41:58

Were we seriously considering going up to South Dakota and playing with Bob?

SPEAKER_02 42:05

Is it gonna be that sounds great to me, but I mean, we're gonna be able to get five out somewhere? We gotta think about that. Yeah, that's true.

Planning The Midwest Golf Trip

SPEAKER_01 42:17

He might have connected. Is he a member of the Watertown Country Club? I have no idea. I thought he was, but we should have well, maybe we should just all we can do is talk to him. Reach out to him and ask him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:32

Well, actually, too, by that time, Colby will be living out there because Colby's going out there in March. So maybe we should have Colby meet us, then we'll have a group of six.

Matt 42:38

Yeah. Yep. We can totally make that happen. Yeah.

unknown 42:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:46

I'm going to start looking at flights and stuff soon, maybe after.

SPEAKER_02 42:51

But if we go to Bob's house, what's the closest airport up there? Are we going to have to fly right into Watertown? That's going to probably be two flights.

SPEAKER_04 42:59

In a biplane.

Matt 43:03

Yeah, the prop duster is going to pick you guys up.

SPEAKER_01 43:11

Arriving a stagecoach. Watertown.

SPEAKER_02 43:16

Regionally accessible by horseback.

SPEAKER_01 43:19

Yeah. Let's find out what we're looking at here. Maybe we'll do 20. 26 through 29th-ish?

Matt 43:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:32

26th through 30th? We'll do that.

Matt 43:36

We're going to start north and go south, or start south and go north? I don't think we want to do south-north-south.

SPEAKER_01 43:42

I don't think so.

Matt 43:43

Yeah, that's too that's too much.

SPEAKER_01 43:46

19 hours.

Matt 43:48

What?

SPEAKER_01 43:49

19 hours for what? That's awful. It's uh you fly to Denver, have a long layover, fly to Watertown Regional.

Matt 44:00

Right into Watertown, huh?

SPEAKER_01 44:02

Yeah, from Denver. I'm kind of wondering if there's an Omaha to Watertown.

Matt 44:10

Well, if there's a if there's a flight from Denver to there, we can catch a different flight and get to Denver and not have.

SPEAKER_02 44:19

I'll tell you what. Last last summer, me, Bob, Colby, and Trey were planning on doing a trip at fell through, but those guys were picking out courses in the Minneapolis area. And Bob laid out like four or five courses that were like pretty sick looking. Deacon's Lodge and some other courses and stuff that were out there. So I bet you they would be willing to meet us out there if we were to set something up.

SPEAKER_01 44:44

Yeah, yeah, we should do that.

SPEAKER_02 44:46

So it happened in the overwater town. I bet you Bob and Colby would come out and meet us for a couple of days and then go back.

Matt 44:52

Yeah. Well, and that Mike too said he could that Fox Hollow, he said he could help us get there. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:58

So I mean that's maybe he'd even go down.

SPEAKER_02 45:01

Yeah. And we could that'd be awesome. Mike come too. Bring one of his homies, I'll make eight.

SPEAKER_01 45:06

Yeah. We should do that for sure. Maybe I think we should do Minneapolis.

unknown 45:12

All right.

Matt 45:12

Let's option reach out to Bobby. I'll reach out to Bob and Colb. See what he thinks. Um if that's good for him. If that's something they could do, it you know, it all depends on the I'm sure it depends on the flowering season. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:28

Yeah. I'm sure Bobby can do it. He's got a staff. Colby might be different because he's gonna be paying for a fucking wedding and uh and uh and you know honeymoon and all that shit. I don't know exactly when they're planning on getting married, but I know that's coming up.

SPEAKER_04 45:44

September, wow June, July, August, September, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:48

Because he said he wants to take her to uh they're gonna go to uh Italy and Greece and shit like that. They're gonna be gone for a couple weeks doing that shit. So I was like, oh that's gonna be a nice trip. That's also but either way, like I said, we'll make it work. Bob joins us, Mike come up. That'd be fun.

Matt 46:10

Dan, you froze. Oh, everybody froze. Everybody froze. All right, sounds good to me. Hell yeah. We'll wrap this up.

unknown 46:18

Yeah.

Matt 46:20

Uh Dan, you're working Saturday, right?

Scheduling, Health Updates, And Sign-Off

SPEAKER_02 46:24

Um, yes. Yeah. Jeremy. The 18th, 19th, 20th, whatever those dates were that boy dad. I should be down for those. I should be the 19th and 20th.

SPEAKER_01 46:35

I think I mean off. Yeah, Friday and Saturday, right?

Matt 46:37

I told him to. I yeah, what my MRI says, but I'm not gonna find out until the 23rd. So two weeks.

SPEAKER_04 46:45

Fingers crossed, homie.

Matt 46:47

Yeah, I want that thing replaced. Just get it out. Give me some new shit.

SPEAKER_04 46:53

I want some uh what's what's titanium means the uh Wolverine feel Adamantium.

Matt 47:00

Adamantium. I want some adamantium. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:10

Yeah, I'll be good.