Chasing Darkness: Episode 361 Aftershow

Roosters, rainforests, and a drive along the coast—our Hawaii debrief kicks off with a head-to-head between Kauai’s easy pace and the Big Island’s wild microclimates. From walking volcanoes to hunting the best poke and finding golf tucked inside lava fields, we trace how the land and weather shape every swing. That sets the stage for winter realities back home: simulators with lie-adjusting floors, frost delays that shut ranges, and how to keep your feel when the thermometer refuses to help.

Travel plans get serious as we map rounds across Hawaii and Arizona—We-Ko-Pa, Dinosaur Mountain, Quintero—then trade notes on Myrtle Beach staples and Florida’s evolution from World Woods to Cabot Citrus Farms. Along the way we spotlight the joy of small-town nine-holers and the value of public gems that outplay their price. The design debate fires up next: Tom Fazio’s engineered wonders versus Tom Doak’s land-first minimalism. Shadow Creek’s spectacle may dazzle, but the bandon effect is real—many of us crave courses that look inevitable, with wind, contour, and firm turf doing the heavy lifting. Nebraska’s Sandhills and Landmand sit high on the wish list for exactly that reason.

Mid-show, a surprise clinic lands: a clear, no-drama walkthrough of knee replacement—what surgeons do, what pain to expect, and how quickly you can return to golf. We also solve a sudden neck flare-up with topical diclofenac (Voltarin) and practical recovery tips you can use tomorrow. It’s unsponsored, real-world advice aimed at keeping you healthy enough to chase the rounds that matter most.

We close by revisiting a beloved community event—“Legends Never Die” at Las Vegas Paiute—54 holes, thoughtful swag, and a raffle table stacked with gear that turned a day of golf into a story. That’s the blueprint moving forward: courses that belong on their land, events that put players first, and a body that’s cared for like essential equipment. If you love travel golf, course architecture, and the gritty joy of playing through weather, you’ll feel right at home. Subscribe, share with a golf friend, and drop a comment with your bucket-list course—we’re planning the next event and want you there.

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Transcript

Kauai Vibes And Big Island Contrast

Matt 0:02

Okay, so the thing about Kawaii compared what what islands have you been to?

SPEAKER_04 0:07

Just the big island. I've been to the big island twice, and now it's the first time I've been to Kawaii.

Matt 0:11

So Kawhi is like laid back. Like way laid back. Like super, super chill. Nobody's in a hurry. Everybody's just chilling, relaxing, and hanging out with roosters. It's it is a completely different environment, and I fucking loved it. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_04 0:35

Yeah, I'm excited. It'll be fun.

Matt 0:37

But go go check out the the Grand Canyon thing over on the west side of the island. And then if you can get up to the north north side and get to Princeville. Amazing golf course.

SPEAKER_04 0:53

Oh, it's yeah, that's like on the northern tip, right? Right in the middle on the northern tip. Princeville, Mackay. Yeah, it is.

Matt 1:04

I had so much fun.

SPEAKER_04 1:06

Looks like it'd be a fun, fun drive to go up there too. You just basically drive along the coast.

Matt 1:10

Driving along the coast, yep. And it's it's chill. There's some there's some great little food spots on the way, just right off the road as you go through these little small little villages, but it was so laid back. Complete off next to Wahoo.

SPEAKER_03 1:26

Complete off have you been to Big Island? Yeah, yeah. How did you how would you compare the two? Because I've heard I mean Big Island, there's a lot of driving because there's so many things to see, but it's huge.

SPEAKER_04 1:37

Yeah, but there's like four different environments on the big island, yeah, based on where they are.

Joe 1:42

Yeah, is the most relaxing microclimates, a lot of microclimates, yeah, microclimates.

Matt 1:47

Yeah, when we when we were on on uh because we were in Kona and we were down like you know, down near the water, and then we went up into the hills to go to a little town where they had some uh uh what is it? What's the fish? Uh okay, okay.

unknown 2:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 2:06

Uh that's that's literally all I eat when I'm in Hawaii. I I will lead her. I literally eat it every meal.

Matt 2:13

So I I went up into the anytime.

Joe 2:15

Next time you're in Vegas, we gotta take it to Poke Express. No, I'm all for it.

Matt 2:20

It was raining, and I'm like, Yeah, it's wild. It was just like 90 degrees down and not a cloud in the sky, and you go two miles up the hill and you're in a rainforest.

SPEAKER_04 2:30

Did you go to the observatory? Uh no. Oh, dude. Next time you're on the big island, you gotta go to that.

Matt 2:36

We did go to we did walk in the volcano though, and did all that. That was fun.

SPEAKER_04 2:41

You know, there's a golf course like in the volcano, yeah. Volcano Golf Club. Yeah, I played there last time. It was pretty neat, really shitty course, but it was fun just because you're like, wow, yeah, experience. Experience.

Matt 2:52

Yep. Yeah, we stayed at a resort that had a golf course, but the golf course closed down, so it was just like open land where a golf course used to be. It was so sad, but uh yeah, the big island. It's it's there's a lot of driving to go all the way around that. It's small, it's but there's so it's so laid back and so chill. It's so much fun, and the snorkeling was fantastic.

Joe 3:17

Can't go wrong with Hawaii. Yeah, yeah. That was our just so we can recap the episode. That was our highest sustained viewership on a live we've ever seen.

Microclimates, Volcano Walks, And Golf In Lava Fields

Matt 3:29

Yeah, I'm looking at it right now, it was really good.

Joe 3:31

I think it dropped.

Matt 3:34

Yeah, yeah, the trolls come. So what I did earlier today, I did a little just live real quick to hype up the show to see, and like the last three that I've done didn't get any views, and so I did this one and I was just chatting. I'm like, I'm just gonna ramble for a few minutes, and then all of a sudden, boom, big spike, added three subscribers, and and right, it's just it's it's so hit and miss, so hit and miss.

Joe 4:00

Yeah, it's hit and miss for sure.

Matt 4:01

But Jordi just subscribed to CDP Premium.

Joe 4:04

Oh, shout out Jordi, and also if you guys are subscribing to CDP Premium because of what we said in the podcast. Thank you so much. Thank you for being here.

SPEAKER_04 4:15

Can we see this is all yours? I can't see like anyone that's outside of us, like who's here?

Matt 4:20

Oh, it's just us.

SPEAKER_04 4:21

Yeah, they're not able to watch live CDP premium, really.

Matt 4:24

Oh, we haven't figured out a way to do it yet. Yeah, I think once we get to a specific number on YouTube, then we can host a private event that we can send people to. Uh, but we gotta, I mean, that's that's down the road. Yeah, that's down the road. So that has to run never sent you that information. I I dug more into it, what StreamYard can do, and it's it's not what we'd want. I don't think.

SPEAKER_04 4:52

Oh, and they were gonna charge it quite a bit too.

Matt 4:55

Yeah, they're gonna charge quite a bit, and then doing it here that was a shit show because people were in, people were out, people were in, people are out, nobody knew who was talking. That was that was tough. People didn't. I was like, oh man, that was a train wreck.

Joe 5:08

So yeah, it was fun, though. Yeah, it was but it was good to see the capabilities, you know what I mean? Absolutely, yeah. You gotta try it out now. You know what we can do.

Matt 5:18

I mean, I would love to get you know, uh people talking in the regular live and see like, hey, this is a great topic, we're gonna dive into that more in the after show, and then have like an after show theme for that, you know.

SPEAKER_01 5:34

After yeah, it's all in the works, it's all in the works, so you know get to be a part of it early and see what we're doing.

Joe 5:41

Yeah, no, I think it was a really good episode for sure.

SPEAKER_03 5:46

It's that Mike. Now that it's winter and there's no golf, what have you there an indoor event or anything?

SPEAKER_04 5:52

Actually, I I went to a simulator today, and um it's so there's a it's basically a bar, but they've got like a simulator on the side. It's have you guys seen the golf zone simulators? Yeah, like the floor adjusts and stuff to your lie, and like yeah, it's it's pretty good and it's pretty accurate. You can tell if a simulator is off, right? I mean, if you hit something good and you know, you can tell. Um I ice skate a lot, play like pickup hockey and stuff. Uh, but really it's yeah, I mean, there's it's the simulator if you want to golf, because basically until yeah, it depends how the spring is, but usually mid-March is when places start to open up.

Matt 6:38

Is there any golf domes near you?

SPEAKER_04 6:41

Uh there's no domes around here. There was one in Milwaukee when I was in med school. That was kind of fun because you could actually see like your trajectory and all that stuff, yeah. Um, but it kept collapsing because it it was like a it literally like a inflated thing, but it was huge, you know, it was like a small stadium size, but it was literally like inflated with this, you know, whatever air pump. And a couple times the pump failed, so like it just deflated. Um, but that was actually cool because you you know, you can you can see 75 100 yards of trajectory, which I think is it's huge. Oh, yeah. Um, visualizing how it comes off and everything, and then they put up these like targets on the back wall, and that one guy that chooses the video where he hits a ball to use target, yeah.

Matt 7:31

Um yeah, we had we had some golf dome follow us today, and I was like, Why, why are you oh I don't know if it was on that one's still what is it like for you though?

Joe 7:42

Like, are you like like fiending? Like, do you need are you trying to book actively book golf trips to go to somewhere warmer or like because you can't play golf, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 7:52

So, yeah, I mean it rub it in.

Joe 7:56

I'm just saying, I mean, like, I would probably I'd be like, I gotta go to Arizona, I gotta go somewhere I can go play golf. So it's like because it's what five months, four months.

SPEAKER_04 8:08

Yeah, I mean, it's it's a while, um, too long. Uh, but I've got a couple of couple of things on the books. I was telling Matt I'm going to Hawaii in a couple weeks, so I'm gonna play some golf there. Uh, and then in March, um, I'm going out to Arizona with my dad and my brother for kind of a Father's Day thing. Uh, we're gonna catch some spring, spring baseball out there for the oh yeah, cool, for the brewers, and then I'm gonna play what did I set up? I think I did uh Weekopah, uh Dinosaur Mountain, and uh Estrella and probably Quintero. So we'll play a little golf out there. And there's a couple other spots that have kind of been peppering me to come out. Um, Stream Song is is on the on the list, and then uh Streamsong too, man. Oh dude, you haven't been to Stream Song Joe?

SPEAKER_01 9:05

I gotta get there.

SPEAKER_04 9:06

Yeah, so Stream Song, and then uh there's some booking company in Myrtle Beach that I don't know. I mean, Myrtle Beach is good.

Joe 9:14

It's have you guys been to Myrtle? True Blue, yeah. You gotta go play true blue, bro.

SPEAKER_04 9:20

I've I played true blue. You have, yeah, Caledonia.

Joe 9:23

I can play that every day. I can play that golf course.

SPEAKER_04 9:25

Yeah, there's just a lot of a lot of courses that are pretty similar, a little bit like Florida, yeah, yeah, in Myrtle Beach. Um, yeah, I mean outside of like Streamsong, I don't have a lot of reason to go down to Florida. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 9:42

There's not a done streamsong yet?

SPEAKER_04 9:45

Me, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, all right, yeah, but I haven't been there since Black opened. So I mean I was I was red and blue. I haven't been back there, so I'm excited to get back down there. Yeah, David McClay Kids opening up a new one too.

Joe 9:58

Yeah, it's stream songs right now, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:00

He's building it right now. Yeah, he's starting to fire out videos of it. Yeah, so sick.

SPEAKER_03 10:06

Cabin citrus there, too.

SPEAKER_04 10:09

Oh, yeah. Well, I so I played that place when it was World Woods, yeah, really. Yes, I would have loved to play World Woods. That was that was one of the best golf deals in probably the country. It was uh what the hell were those courses? It was it was pretty prim for floor, really. It was 50 bucks, right? Like 50. It was it was a hundred dollars for 36 holes in a cart, both courses.

SPEAKER_06 10:32

Close closer to Tampa.

SPEAKER_04 10:34

Yeah, it's it's right by Tampa. It's built on Citrus Farms, yeah. So it's like yeah, they I mean Citrus Farms is those courses, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:42

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So many courses, so far. Oh, yeah.

Joe 10:47

Yeah, yep.

SPEAKER_03 10:48

I wish I'd Dream Song Citrus Farms trip.

Joe 10:51

Yeah, they're not far from each other. Worldwood was like an investment opportunity for like a Japanese company, from what I recall, right? Or a Chinese or I don't I don't know the yeah, I don't know the history behind it. I just remember I think they built it and it was too far out of town, and not a lot of people came, but it was Tom Fazio, and uh yeah, then Citrus Cabot bought it and created Citrus Farms.

Matt 11:18

Smart plan. I know I'm I'm gonna do a I'm gonna do a podunk golf course tour when we get the van. And instead of hitting all the high end, gotta pay a year out to go play resort store courses. I'm just gonna find the town with a thousand people that has a a nine-holer in the middle of the town.

Joe 11:40

He's gonna be playing the dirt greens soon.

Matt 11:42

Yes.

Joe 11:43

Top 100 munis.

Matt 11:45

There's some there's some gems out there that you know that because of good climate and good good weather and good ground, that it's a really decent track. That you know, I mean we there's uh timber line right there. Timberline. What's the town that's immediately east of Zion? Um then you you go east from Zion, then you go south.

SPEAKER_03 12:11

Um Carmel Junction. A little coarse when you come out of Zion's, yeah, yeah.

Matt 12:16

I mean, that place looked wow, it was green and I was like, whoa, and it was just a little back and forth nine-holer. Yep, you know, and I'm like, man, have you played that?

SPEAKER_03 12:28

Yeah, oh uh yeah. We we went there right at right after Zion's actually was kind of impromptu, and it was super fun. Yeah, tiny greens, it was so fun.

Live Show Metrics And Premium Plans

Matt 12:39

There's so many of those all over the place. Like when we were Google mapping the Nebraska stuff, I was just I just was on just like a uh aerial journey through little small towns in you know in Missouri, the middle of Missouri, and uh I was like, Oh, look at that, and there's just this little nine-hole right on the edge of town as small. I'm like, that thing looks awesome.

SPEAKER_03 13:00

Yeah, Ike. Do you have connections at in Omaha?

SPEAKER_04 13:05

Omaha? Uh I don't know. Uh, where's Wildhorse? It's west of Omaha. That's um southwest. Southwest. I don't think I have anything in Omaha properly.

Joe 13:18

It's in Henderson, yeah. Yeah, there we have a wild horse in Vegas, so when everybody says wild horse, so I think I've but wild horse in Nebraska. I would love to play there too.

SPEAKER_04 13:30

Uh that course looks pretty neat as a public course that I think gets a lot of volume. I think that's one of the like regional, really good public courses. And I it looks kind of like a starter sandhills course almost. It looks pretty cool, right? Yeah, yeah.

Joe 13:46

That place looks sick. I mean, it's highly regarded, right? Like it's like super high on the public courses you can play every year. Yep.

Matt 13:56

Oh, we so I reached out to somebody about um what's it called, Joe? Lost Rail? Lost Rail, yeah. Lost Rail. They're like, no, I don't know anybody, but apparently that.

Joe 14:11

Yeah, there it is. Little old school, but this is Joe's got a hat for everyone.

SPEAKER_04 14:14

He's got a hat for everyone.

Joe 14:15

You plug but the this is the Henderson one. Oh, this is where I started playing golf, like for real.

SPEAKER_04 14:22

Like that hat looks like it's got some it's seasoned. This is old boy. This is old boy, been around for a minute.

Joe 14:28

It's been around.

SPEAKER_04 14:29

Joe, where's your hat that you had on that one time from uh what's that course that you were obsessed with in Vegas?

SPEAKER_03 14:35

Um, oh, it was probably the national.

SPEAKER_04 14:37

No, no, it was the old, it was the one of the old courses from Vegas. I got you right here.

Matt 14:42

The DI hat that he paid way too much for.

SPEAKER_04 14:45

Yeah, the desert in hat.

Joe 14:47

I think I paid. I think I paid 110 bucks for this one. Holy. But hey, nobody, nobody gets this, right?

SPEAKER_04 14:55

This is that that was the place I think where the uh this is when this is win. Yeah, but that's at the desert inn is the uh that's the origin of the beverage cart. You guys know that story, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought it was you guys are Vegas guys, you know that.

Matt 15:09

Absolutely, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 15:11

Absolutely, that's why nobody else would have it. That can't be that vintage of a hat, it's got one of those those ropes on it. That's not a it's it's at least early 80s, at least. Wow, they were doing the rope before it was cool. I would think so.

Matt 15:27

Oh, yeah, didn't uh think the rope is a throwback. Yeah, rope is a throwback.

SPEAKER_04 15:31

Is it a throwback? Yeah, yeah. Interesting. I thought that was like a with the tour. Now all the championship on it.

Matt 15:39

That's that's sick. That's sick. Charge ten more dollars for, yeah. Oh, hey, somebody, you know what happened? Somebody accidentally embroidered a hat upside down, and they're like, fuck it, we'll just throw it on the shelf. And then now everybody all the hats are upside down, yeah. I hate the upside down. Oh, I don't get it at all. Big letters, the upside down. Yep. Yeah, I don't mind big letters don't bother me as much as the upside down hat.

Joe 16:09

Yeah, the upside down hats kind of I just don't get it. Yeah, I don't get it. Well, it started in Dallas, and there's a brand in Dallas, and it's like Dak Prescott War one or something like that. Because I was talking to somebody about it, and I was like, I don't get it. And they were like, Well, I think it was Dan Herrera, um L Dan. Yeah, he was telling me the story behind it. I'm like, Yeah, not for me, but uh the upside down shit. Nah, no, thank you. Not for me.

Matt 16:38

I agree, don't get it.

SPEAKER_04 16:42

It's extra annoying because it takes like five minutes for your brain to readjust to actually realize what it says. Like, right, there's like a there's like a small delay where you have to like look at it funny, and then they look at you funny, and you're like, Well, your hat's upside down, so I have to read it for a little while to actually know what it says.

Joe 16:59

Can I throw something out there real quick? Little little beautiful golf courses, chasing daylight podcast collab. For what would you be down for that? Isn't that what we're doing right now? I'm talking like a physical, physical situation. Oh, yeah. Oh, I think we've run it.

SPEAKER_06 17:18

I think I think we've run it back.

Joe 17:21

What kind of physical are we talking here? And I know I know Mike's probably down for this too, because I know he loves this place.

Matt 17:30

Oh shit.

Joe 17:31

Oh, Paiu, yeah, that'd be sick. Oh, that'd be sick. Legends never die. Play all three courses in one day. That'd be sick, dude. I'm in.

Matt 17:43

I still have it, my book right here.

Joe 17:45

Yeah, make a little event out of it. You can make a little event out of it. We did it when Pete Die passed away. I told Matt, I'm like, dude, Pete Die is an absolute legend. Legends never die, and we were supposed to play all three in one day, but one of the courses was closed due to COVID, and uh Legends Never Die happened.

SPEAKER_04 18:05

How do they close one course for COVID? Like the other courses don't have COVID on them, like what a God.

Joe 18:12

So I'm gonna make the screen big 2020, July 11th, 2020. Yeah, what do you think? No, we're still waiting on the footage. Yes, dude.

Winter Golf Workarounds And Simulators

SPEAKER_04 18:24

I thought I thought with our we could probably put together like a like a cool event. We dude, it'd be sick, dude. And definitely get people to sign up for it easily.

Joe 18:34

Yeah, exactly. That was the first year we did it, came up with it, and it was fucking fun. And that's where we met Dan and Jeremy. Was that no? You I played.

SPEAKER_03 18:43

I was I was a few months in with you guys, but yeah, you were he was before that. That's how we met all like the people, really.

Matt 18:50

So, Mike, check this out, right? So here is the contract. Don't I don't want to go over prices audially, so you know, don't say but that price right there, yeah, was for all three courses. Crazy crap, right?

SPEAKER_04 19:09

With cart and everything, all things include wow, right?

Matt 19:13

So I just early 2020, 54 holes. This is how much we're paying for player per one Jesus, which is still like still very good. A banger deal. I'm so excited we got that on. I did not think that was gonna happen.

SPEAKER_04 19:30

Yeah, that was a great, great, great. I mean, if I go there as a tourist, it's 250, 250 or 300.

Matt 19:40

So this so for that event, this is what we had for the the gift bag for every participant. You had a custom grind and golf head cover that said legends never die. I think I got that. You got uh an atomic. Oh, Joe's got everything, probably.

SPEAKER_04 19:56

I know I have I just envisioned like a giant, like Wall of golf stuff like that. We can't see that Joe has everything ready to just what are we talking about right now? I got something.

Matt 20:06

Look at this head cover. Sick. That's no, that wasn't that was the driver head cover. We're talking about the putter cover. Oh. Oh, it's there. It's right back there. It's right there. Uh so uh that was the grinding golf head cover. Uh atomic ball marker did a um I got that okay. What was it called? Uh a minted ball marker.

SPEAKER_06 20:29

Yeah.

Matt 20:30

Um yeah, we got a dozen Wilson golf balls, a good walk coffee tumbler, a bag of Berg golf teas that said Legends Never Die on it, that had the spiral in the cup, uh, an Eagle Barty, uh, Eagle Parr Birdie golf towel, that's what Joe was showing. Uh the Casey golf head cover, that's what Joe was showing. Uh some stickers and a cigar and a free trial of 18 birdies. So that's what everybody got. And then the raffle items. So we had closest to the pen was a tailor-made wedge that was stamped um PD. Uh a print from Brian Orr. I talked to Brian and he donated a print of the uh Island Hole and uh Strokes gained uh ball marker. Uh the raffle items were a strokes gain putter, a Logan Olson putter. There it is right there.

SPEAKER_04 21:21

Oh, there she is. There she is. That's sick.

Matt 21:25

Yeah, so we had him stamp Legends Never Die on it. And then his the year he was born and passed away on it. Uh we had a uh Logan Olson putter that Joe has.

SPEAKER_06 21:36

I have it.

Matt 21:36

Cliff won that and then got it to Joe. A Bradley putter, the wood putters from Bradley Putters, and he did wood inlays that look like the road ties in the bunker. That's sick. Um, a Ricky Johnson putter, a true tech putter, which was breakthrough golf technologies original putter design, a breakthrough technology shaft, a set of haywood wedges that were all stamped legends never and die, uh, a carbon putter, uh VA golf shaft, all in golfing company was the head covers, uh, golf instruction from Sean Rowe, uh, two UST Mamiya shafts, a Travis Matthew gift card that was for shoes, pants, and a polo. Shout out beds. True shout-out beds. True Links did another one that was also shoes, shirt, and a hat. Uh sneakerhead golf company. What did they do? I can't remember what that was.

Joe 22:32

Did they do a golf head uh shoe head cover? I think a shoe head cover or something like that. And this was all for 250 bucks. Yeah, crazy.

Matt 22:41

Um, Brickley Golf did a custom uh scorecard holder, and then we had two Wilson golf bags, two Wilson golf wedges, Kraken did a special ball marker, 18 birdies donated a year, and Stymie Golf did a head cover. Um, and then a drone. Cliff donated a drone. Different times, but shit. That that was the raffle items. So it was it wasn't a tournament, it was just hey, let's just go have some fun, honor a legend, and then we'll do this amazing raffle. And yeah, it was yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:13

During COVID, we had our well, until this year, we had our our biggest um auction ever. I mean, it was it was crazy how like generous people were during COVID.

Joe 23:24

Yeah, I bet they could play if they wanted.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

Oh, what it just happened.

Joe 23:31

Yeah, different times, man. Absolute crazy world. That was bizarre.

SPEAKER_04 23:36

Like it was just wild.

Matt 23:40

Walk walk me through knee surgery.

SPEAKER_04 23:43

You really want to know what happens during your knee surgery?

Matt 23:46

What's gonna happen? I mean, I've I've been in like helped with knee surgeries when I was a resident, so I have photos of my ankle surgery because I told the doctor I want pictures, so I I like I love this.

SPEAKER_04 23:58

I mean, it's it's it's a big surgery, dude. It's not gonna be like I mean, I to I take care of a lot of post-op patients in the hospital. Like, if they're medically complex, they'll consult medicine. And uh you'll probably be in the hospital for a day or two before you leave just to get up and walk around and have your pain controlled and stuff. But the actual surgery itself, they I mean, they saw off like the bottom eighth of your femur and the top eighth of like your tibia, your shin bone, so that they can put on the basically the um the arthr the joint replacement, basically. So the arthrosis, and then they drill a hole up your femur and down your tibia, and they plug them in, and then I mean they're done. It's not a long surgery, it'll probably be an hour maybe. Um, but it I mean you're gonna be sore afterwards.

Matt 24:53

Oh, yeah. Um what do they do about the stuff that like my the kneecap and all that stuff? Is that all new too?

SPEAKER_04 25:00

Uh no, your kneecap stays usually, depending on the device. But usually the kneecap, like the patella itself is it sort of sits on top of your knee joint, and it's in a it's in a big tendon sheath, like you can feel the tendon on top and below, and then they kind of just fold it back, and then once the arthrosis is in they fold it back on top.

SPEAKER_03 25:21

Um, but yeah, um I'm kind of hoping you could keep that on your back shelf, Matt. Like, here's my knee.

SPEAKER_04 25:28

I mean, if you if you uh there's a spot for it, if you want, they'll give you your your bones.

SPEAKER_03 25:34

Oh, yeah, I will ask you.

SPEAKER_04 25:35

I mean, you're gonna have fairly large pieces of bone, some fun they're gonna they're gonna cut off like that much bone.

Matt 25:44

Oh, could they put in like a riser and make me taller?

Joe 25:48

No. I'm about to call Katie in here and tell her, like, hey, if I ever need surgery, this is the guy in Wisconsin you need to find for me.

SPEAKER_04 26:00

Yeah, I mean, it's after surgery, you're gonna you're gonna have a lot of pain, it's gonna hurt. You're gonna be like, what the fuck did I do? And then in like a month, you're gonna be like, I'm so fucking happy I did this.

Joe 26:11

Yeah, yeah.

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SPEAKER_04 26:12

Because you're gonna be walking better, you're not gonna have pain. Like, it's you're gonna have some muscle spasms right after because when you get a new joint, your muscles have to kind of adjust to new angles and stuff, but you'll rehab well and you'll come back, you'll be great. Yeah, I would just skip those injections. Um, oh, yeah, we're not your problem isn't your problem isn't gonna get fixed by that. It and if you were trying to grind out a golf trip or something, I'd say get a steroid injection and get some like long-acting lidocaine put in there too, because it would it would get you through. Yeah, but for your purposes, I would just get it done.

Matt 26:46

Yeah, well, and that cyst isn't gonna just go away.

SPEAKER_04 26:49

Yeah, I'm the cyst itself is that's more of an inflammatory cyst, it's a baker's cyst, right? It's behind your knee. Take turmeric. Turmeric. Turmeric won't do shit for that.

Matt 27:00

I take turmeric, that doesn't help.

SPEAKER_04 27:02

Yeah, no, uh those are usually um when they do your surgery, they'll take out that cyst sheath and it will go away. But if you drain it, it just fills back up in a week. So, and as your knees continue to be inflamed, it'll just pump more fluid into it, so it'll continue to be an issue. I think this would be so funny.

Matt 27:21

Sleeping is the absolute worst.

Joe 27:23

If you guys are down, Katie could make her first appearance on the podcast. What's not live, but it it her neck hurts a little bit, Mike. I would I would love if you just like just diagnosing no just game her real quick. It just hurts, it just hurts. She don't we have tell her she has a tumor or something. What do you want me to do? No, no, just just you know, tell her to listen to me. Use Ben Gay or uh ibuprofen.

SPEAKER_04 27:53

A good massage from your husband. Yeah, okay. I'm gonna go get her.

Joe 27:56

I think this is great.

SPEAKER_04 27:57

What do you want me to what you want me to give her my medical opinion or what?

SPEAKER_03 28:00

No, no, just tell her what she needs to do, okay?

SPEAKER_04 28:05

Take some ibuprofen and rub it. Like, I don't understand what you want me to do.

SPEAKER_03 28:08

Yes, take one of your golf balls off your shelf and rub it in a circle on her neck, and let your husband go on a golf trip. But don't neck pain goes away.

Joe 28:16

Don't go too crazy. I'm gonna do it, okay. Just say, hey, you gotta use Bengay, you gotta ice it.

SPEAKER_04 28:21

She's gonna bring meet some random dude on the computer and take medical advice from them. She will all right. Why is she not doing these things, or what's the purpose of this, Joe?

Joe 28:30

Just because it's funny.

SPEAKER_04 28:33

All right, it's gonna be awkward as fuck. It's gonna be very awkward.

SPEAKER_03 28:36

This is pretty good. Embrace it.

SPEAKER_04 28:38

All right. This is look at my white coat and put it in. No, I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_03 28:42

Put it do it, do it, please.

SPEAKER_04 28:43

I don't, I don't actually, I don't have I don't have a white coat. This is great. This is great.

Matt 28:47

I I think uh I'm just gonna probably know. I'm just gonna take me and Jeremy off the screen, and so it's just you and her to make it more awkward.

SPEAKER_03 28:54

Like I'm a telemedicine doctor. I wonder if my insurance covers this call.

SPEAKER_04 28:58

Yeah, I should ask her for her insurance. Do you have your insurance card ready? I'll fuck with Joe. I'll be like, Joe, actually, I to give medical advice, I need to have an insurance card.

Matt 29:08

Yeah, I need I need to submit this, so I need your insurance number, please.

SPEAKER_04 29:14

Katie says hopefully she says no.

Matt 29:17

Yeah, I'm not talking to some fucking stranger.

SPEAKER_04 29:21

Some some doctor that's drinking a beer. Oh god. Oh, I love I love this jacket, the shirt. Only for the we need a Pete's console too.

unknown 29:35

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 29:35

This is next to her mess. Your head's so big.

SPEAKER_03 29:39

Oh, you have no idea how big his head is.

Joe 29:43

On a scale of one to ten, how weird is this, Katie? So Mike, I was telling her you how her neck hurts, started hurting recently.

SPEAKER_04 29:50

Yeah, what'd you do to it?

SPEAKER_00 29:52

Um, I slept wrong. Come on, help you. I will I'm turning 40 in a couple days. So happy birthday.

SPEAKER_04 30:00

What's wrong with your neck? What so it hurts?

SPEAKER_00 30:03

Um, yeah, like the super like gnarly, like shooting pain.

SPEAKER_04 30:06

Like, does it go down your arm?

SPEAKER_00 30:08

No. But if it's like it's go like this, go like this.

SPEAKER_04 30:14

Touch your ear. No, other if it's that side, go towards the side that hurts and touch your ear to your shoulder, and now lift up your arm.

SPEAKER_00 30:20

Wait, I can't put it all the way up.

SPEAKER_04 30:22

No, your other arm, the side that hurts. No, does that hurt? Yeah, yeah. This muscle here. Yeah, get some bengay or some um, have you guys ever heard of um Volterin? Good stuff. Volterin, yeah. I got some.

SPEAKER_00 30:38

Is it put that on there? Because I don't want to be like smelling like bengay, like it works.

SPEAKER_04 30:43

Well, Volterin doesn't smell quite as bad unless it's got menthol in it, and it'll smell like bengay. But Volterran is uh it's a topical ibuprofen basically, and it'll loosen that up. I got some and then you spare your kidneys and your stomach.

SPEAKER_00 30:59

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:01

Because ibuprofen can, if you take a lot of it, it can it can rough up your belly and your kidneys. So if you do topical, it doesn't do that.

Matt 31:08

What's happening to me right now?

SPEAKER_00 31:10

Okay, score. Yeah, I just thought it was because I was getting old and you know, well, it is, but looking like your blind spot, you know, like one time and it's like a wrap.

SPEAKER_04 31:22

It sounds like your muscle, though, it's good that it's not going down your arm because if that was the case, it would be more likely a nerve.

SPEAKER_00 31:28

Oh, really? Okay, yeah. I just I scared because I don't know if Joe told you, like how to have been like 12 years ago, he got in the accident. Someone ran like a stop sign and hit him, and he's literally been like fucked up since that explains a lot.

Matt 31:44

I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_04 31:45

Yeah, there it is. Yeah, let's go rub that on.

Joe 31:49

We're almost done though. It's almost gone.

SPEAKER_04 31:51

Yeah. So that used to be a prescription. They just uh that just hit the market over the counter like a couple years ago. It's a good, it's a good medicine.

SPEAKER_00 32:00

I use it a lot.

SPEAKER_04 32:01

Yeah, yeah, inflammate it's inflammatory pain. Okay, just because it's an arthritis doesn't mean it's saying that you're getting old.

SPEAKER_00 32:10

Sounds like it, right? Welcome to the 40s.

SPEAKER_04 32:15

Hey, I just had a back surgery, so I feel your pain.

SPEAKER_00 32:18

Oh my goodness. I'm sorry. Yeah, knock on wood. I feel like so far, minimal issues, all things considered.

SPEAKER_04 32:26

Yeah. So no, use that Volteran. You gotta use it regularly though, until your pain goes away.

SPEAKER_00 32:33

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_04 32:33

Every six hours, two grams.

SPEAKER_00 32:35

I was hoping this was gonna be a 24-hour deal.

SPEAKER_04 32:38

Like, oh, it might be. You just have to loosen it up.

SPEAKER_00 32:41

Yeah, wait, we gotta get some more of that. All right, bye guys. Thanks. See ya, Dr.

SPEAKER_03 32:53

Mike, everyone. Dr. Mike, everyone.

unknown 32:55

Dr.

Matt 32:57

Can I vote for Katie sitting in for you next week?

Joe 33:00

Yeah, she she can sit in every week. She knows golf, she knows Tom Fazio.

SPEAKER_04 33:07

Is there a vibe that people don't like Fazio courses? Is there a vibe? Someone was I was talking to me.

Matt 33:14

I think he's uh gets kind of hit on for making golf unnatural.

SPEAKER_04 33:20

Is that what okay? Because Victoria National looks sick. I it's sick, dude. It's a it's a great, it's very difficult, and I feel like that's why some people don't like it, but like Victoria National was stellar.

Joe 33:37

I think the issue with me is that um when I found natural golf, like sand hills, yeah, it's like, oh okay, I get it now. You know, I love Tom Fazio. I mean, there's nothing that says you can't like both, though, right? No, I no, no, I love Tom Foundry.

Matt 33:56

It's manufactured, it's not real. Yeah, yeah, fabricated, if you will. Fabric, yeah, yeah. He made something like I mean, Shadow Creek is uh a prime example that that was a flat dirt lot, and he turned it into something spectacular. Yeah, not anybody could not everybody could do that.

Joe 34:19

Yeah, that's the thing for me. Like, I love Tom Fazio is my favorite until I went to Bandit. And I was like, oh natural golf is sick, like it was supposed to be here.

Matt 34:32

But what do you what do you think would have happened if like Tom Doak was the designer for Shadow Creek?

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Joe 34:38

I mean, it would be because it would have been flat, yeah.

Matt 34:41

Yeah, it would have been completely different because I mean there's there's different ways of doing it.

Joe 34:46

That's why it's so important to pick the correct architect for your project.

Matt 34:50

Yeah, I just I just the only thing that I don't like about Shadow is the the the rocks that look like they shouldn't be there. Like on 13, the par three, those rocks just it kind of looks like the the old mirage, you know, with the fake holders.

SPEAKER_04 35:07

I kind of like the old mirage though. I thought that was a cool resort. I used to stay there all the time.

Joe 35:13

It's in the middle of the desert.

Matt 35:14

There's no there's no fountains or waterfall in Vegas, but it does it doesn't look natural. Not that where it's at doesn't look like it should be there, like where it what it is doesn't look real.

Joe 35:27

Yeah, exactly.

Matt 35:28

Yeah, I get that. That it it looks like uh Mickey's Toontown at at Disneyland, you know.

Joe 35:34

It just I just want to see. I I I mean uh seriously, after going to Band, like I want to see natural looking golf courses. That's that's the problem, right? Like uh Tom Fazio, great golf courses, fantastic execution on what he did in those places, but like I don't want to I I love Shadow Creek 100. Great golf course, but it's not meant to be there, and I want to go to I want to play golf where I feel like it was meant to be, you know what I mean? And that's just the it's like kind of a bandon effect, you know.

SPEAKER_03 36:10

I don't imagine a place like Bandon not being there, it looks like it's already been yeah, it looks like they just put tea boxes out, stuck some flags in the ground, and and that's what I love.

Matt 36:21

And that's what I love about Tom Doak, how he just takes those natural, yeah rolling hills of and just figures out a way to put grass in the right spots. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_04 36:32

That's the red course at Dismal, yeah, like to the extreme, like there's not even tea boxes there. It's there's like one stake, there's no signs, there's nothing. It's they call it a teeing area, and you just put your ball down wherever you kind of want to.

Joe 36:47

I the and that's what's so interesting about it, and that's why I would love to play more golf in the sand hills because it's like there's golf holes all over that land, you know. Matt a gamer too. Sorry, side note. No, I don't think so. Oh, but I would love to like play all the courses in the Nebraska sand hills because it's like you see golf holes all over the place, yeah, and that's why I want to play more out there is to see like I want to see the the architect's like vision of how it is because it's like there we were driving from Prairie Club down to towards sand hills and then towards Denver, and it's like you look out in the horizon and there's golf holes everywhere, yep. You know, and it's like I would love to see a place from its inception and see how the architect builds it according to the land, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 37:38

Like that'd be neat, yeah, absolutely. Some of the some of the architects are starting to do that more as they're building courses, though. Um, like uh as they were building rodeo dunes, um they were showing a lot of that. And uh yeah, they're they're doing better at that. Although a lot of the architects are older, so they're not real savvy on social media, but there seem to their marketing teams seem to be doing a better job with that stuff. Because I agree, it's it's neat to look at like the evolution of how they how they create, you know, it's pretty it's pretty interesting. Yeah, Tom Dills. So no, he doesn't, yeah. He doesn't, he does not. He commented on one of my posts, dude. He sent me an address. I have I have he's like, I thought I had better public courses than this guy because I put up like two designers and I said like who's better or something. And I think the most liked comment was I don't remember who I compared him to. I think it was Doken and then Coran Crenshaw. I compared the two, and uh he it was a very like respectful comment, but he was like, I thought that my my public uh portfolio was better than theirs, but their private one, it was just it was really funny. I was like, Oh, is this really him? Because he didn't have he didn't have a picture, yeah. It's just yeah, but it was actually him for sure. Yep, yep, and it was clearly him, him because it was a very like old man, like like how my dad writes on social media.

Joe 39:02

Yeah, so cool.

SPEAKER_04 39:03

It was pretty funny.

SPEAKER_03 39:05

I gotta send him flags.

Matt 39:07

What were you gonna say about landman, Jay?

SPEAKER_03 39:09

Yeah, no, I was just gonna say landman is interesting in that way because when you're there, like you're literally surrounded by fields, soy fields or whatever it is, and the holes keep the contour, like you're going up a hill, you're coming down a hill, and it's like everything is so natural there, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:26

Yep, yeah, yeah. I I'd love to play all the courses in the sand hills, but I've heard, and I'm never gonna play this, but uh, I've heard they are very high-brow snooty at sand hills. Oh, yeah, it's uber private, it's one of the most private, you know, courses in the country. But I've heard like if you go in the clubhouse there with a hat on, it's not just like a hey sir, take your hat off, it's like don't come back, which is so weird, yeah.

Joe 39:52

Right, like Molin, Nebraska. There's nothing there. We drove through it, you know, there's nothing there, yeah.

Matt 39:59

But the members aren't.

Joe 40:00

The members are not from there.

Matt 40:01

Yeah, they're landing planes in the airstrip behind it. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 40:06

They're taking their chopper in from they share an airstrip with Dismal, and it's private planes, and yeah, yeah.

Matt 40:12

Oh, yeah, it's all it is.

SPEAKER_04 40:14

Yeah.

Joe 40:14

Interesting.

Matt 40:16

I worked, uh, I was on this advisory board for a place out here, and one of the guys on it was a caddy at Terra Edie. Oh, he was saying that it's just my number one. It's just nothing but private helicopters in and out all day long.

SPEAKER_04 40:31

Yeah, it's I mean, that's different type of money right there. Like, yeah, that's uh Tara ED. There's a guy on his name is Ricky Roberson or Robertson. He's a yeah, Ricky Robinson, yeah. I think I know he he fill he photographs Tara ED and uh Tara I or Ter whatever the other one is TR TRI, yeah, TRI. Um, but the pictures he takes from there just look they don't look real, like they look like AI.

Matt 40:56

Crazy.

SPEAKER_04 40:57

It just looks so beautiful. Yeah, that's a like New Zealand, Tasmania. Like, I want to get down there so kidnapper doak, shout out Doke.

Matt 41:08

Good stuff.

Joe 41:09

No, I talked to uh Jared Deanna, who's been on the podcast when Matt was not here. We have to get him back one of these days. Um, but he's played T Tri, is what he says. T R I T R T R I, yeah, yeah. And he was just there recently. He said it's just fucking it's just magical.

SPEAKER_04 41:28

So T T Tira ED is the private one, Tri is public, yeah. But Tira ED has a once-in-a-lifetime round that they will let you play if you're there, right? You just have to be a member at a private club and have a recommendation from your club that you're not gonna, you know, yeah, you know, yeah, so that's kind of cool.

Joe 41:50

I think he played it, I can't remember, but I think he played it, and I was like, dude, I'm so stoked for you. Like, uh, I think he played uh Terry Edy on his last trip because he goes to uh New Zealand every year.

SPEAKER_04 42:03

It just looks like a like a magical place, like everything looks gorgeous. The people all seem super cool. I don't it just there's something about it that just is so I think I'd rather go there than that's my number one Europe to play.

Joe 42:17

My number one all day.

SPEAKER_04 42:18

It looks it just looks perfect. It looks everything about it looks perfect, super natural looking, you know. It would bang you very hard for all the pricing, but uh, I think it would be worth it.

Joe 42:28

Yeah, that's my number one. It all it's been my number one getting there. Ain't cheap either. Oh god, no, no, 24 hours on a plane. Yeah, Terry ED is my number one. I would have to take over Augusta, too.

Matt 42:44

I'd have to take some fentanyl just to be on a plane that long.

SPEAKER_04 42:48

Yeah, that's a it's such a it's such like a first world problem, but like I'm excited to go to Hawaii, obviously. But the travel even to Hawaii is oh god, it's so it's just being on a plane for so long, it's just not oh, you got an extra long too.

Matt 43:03

Yeah, it's long from here.

SPEAKER_04 43:04

Yeah, I mean it's four hours to get to the west coast, just get you some Volterran.

Joe 43:10

We're looking for Volterran, not an ad, but we'd be willing.

SPEAKER_04 43:16

What that'd be a great ad for a golf. Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, old men with sore joints and women with sore joints.

Matt 43:22

Hey, use that medical connection to reach out to them for us.

SPEAKER_04 43:24

Yeah, well, that's gone generic now, that's why it's over the counter. They lost their pet. So I don't know how well that would go. I think you can if you get if you get sponsored by Ozempic, then we're then we're talking.

Joe 43:39

Yeah, that stuff is oh god big money. GLP one hot ticket to stardom.

SPEAKER_04 43:50

There's billions of dollars in that market.

Matt 43:53

Ridiculous. So is it safe to say I'll be good to do golf in three months?

SPEAKER_04 43:58

I think so.

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Matt 44:00

Okay, yeah, that's what that's what they told me.

Joe 44:04

Yeah, and I was that your first question too.

Matt 44:08

Oh, absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:09

Yeah, it's that crazy. The issue is there's no good time to have a surgery, yeah. Especially for you guys, because you guys play golf year round.

Matt 44:17

Yeah, but right now the golf isn't the greatest because it's cold sometimes. Um, so but I I don't the heat doesn't bother me. I'll go play in 110. It doesn't matter, right?

SPEAKER_04 44:27

What won't what what's the temperature that you won't play because it's too cold?

Matt 44:32

Well, uh, I'll it doesn't matter. I'll I'll play in cold weather. I just don't like it. Yeah, you'd rather okay.

SPEAKER_03 44:37

I'm playing, yeah.

Matt 44:38

You guys have frost plays out there, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:40

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, maybe like five a year. Oh, that's not bad.

Matt 44:48

The uh we were at um so high and uh at the end of last year, and there was like the range wasn't open, and there's just people hanging out on the patio out there, which is a really cool patio to hang out on. And uh they said there was a frost delay, and I'm like, Oh, that makes okay frost delay, but they don't open the range until the frost delay is over, and then they let people warm up and then they send them to the golf course. Like they don't even let them play on frozen range grass. It's yeah, no, of that place. It's so happy.

SPEAKER_04 45:21

Stuff like that is that's a sign of a good quality, you know, they take care of their course though. Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, you think about frost and you know, it screws up the ball landing on the green because it bounces, but like taking divots out of out of grass that is frosted is not good for the grass either. So that's you know, stuff like that is annoying.

Matt 45:41

A frozen green. If a ball, if a ball rolls on a frozen green, it'll burn the it'll black stay in the grass.

SPEAKER_04 45:48

Oh, really? Yeah. Quintero let us out once when uh it was still frosted, and literally it was like you hit a cart path when you landed on the green. It was awful.

Matt 45:59

Yeah, that would be yeah. See that uh see, we're we're we were debating. Do we go in January and play the what'd you call it, Jeremy? I thought it was a great line.

SPEAKER_03 46:08

Embrace the suck.

Matt 46:10

Embrace the suck of potentially playing in bad weather in the bad wear, bandin, yeah, or just go all in on trying to go later on when we know the weather's gonna be a lot better.

SPEAKER_04 46:23

I'll tell you what, that's a lot of money to spend on a trip to play in shit weather. Well, it's a lot cheaper in January.

SPEAKER_03 46:31

Even so playing in bad weather can ruin it. But we went in August, and it was the most perfect weather you could have at Bandon.

Joe 46:38

So it's like now we it's almost worth trying it in but January is called, supposedly, by the locals, Bandiego, because you can catch a good few. There'd be a system that moves through where it's 65 and sunny scamble or 55 and sunny, but or it can be 40 and sideways wind, sideways wind.

Matt 47:05

The wind blows in a different direction that time of year, too.

Joe 47:08

So I will, I I mean, I will say, like Jared, um, I forget what podcast he was on. He was talking about it, and he was like everybody went inside, everybody went inside. There was four of I think it was the uh off the deck podcast, and he was like, everybody went inside. There was three or four of us that went out, and it was sideways rain. And he said, That was my favorite round of the trip. We had so much fun because we have to embrace it, yeah.

Matt 47:41

No fucks given, just kind of take over.

Joe 47:44

You have to embrace it, you have to you have to like truly love it, you know what I mean? And it's like it's it's you need to think of it as an experience.

Matt 47:53

Yeah, I I when we got caught in that storm at Cabot. Oh my god, that was like he doesn't like Cabot. That was fucking ridiculous. Wait, I thought you liked Cabot.

Joe 48:06

No, I hate that worst course he's ever played. No, you didn't. That's wild.

SPEAKER_04 48:15

The pictures looked, I mean, they make it look really cool.

Matt 48:19

Like, what was so the the Lynx course where the place where the resort is, I really enjoyed the Lynx course. I thought the Lynx course was really well done. It was a great layout, some fun holes. You got some great views similar to what you see up at Bandon. Um and it was a lot of rolling hills. It was a Lynx, it was a Lynx golf course. It I really enjoyed it. And then Cabot Cliffs was just I don't know. There's like three holes that I were like, man, this is nice. And the other ones, I just was just didn't get it. Just didn't get it at all. And then the the the 18th hole, I think the second hole, the 18th hole and the second hole are are the best holes on the property, my opinion. Um the 16th hole is a is a joke that that went out on the cliff. It's I mean it's visually, it's like Wolf Creek, it's visual golf pornography. It's it is epic, and you're standing there and they got selfie sticks for you, and it's it is you're like, wow. Okay, now I gotta play golf. What what's this hole? Okay, it's 165 carry. Okay, and and the caddy's there, he's like, Okay, so this is what you're gonna do. You're just gonna aim left because everything filters down to the bottom. If you can hold the green, amazing. But chances are you're gonna win one of the pop bunkers and it's gonna suck. And no matter what, and we did multiple, tried to get multiple shots to hold the green. Two days we played it, we probably hit 10 shots each into that green. It's just stupid, it's just fucking stupid. And then the 17th, the 17th hole is worse. 17th hole may be one of the dumbest golf holes I've ever played in my life. It's a it's it's a drivable par four. You hit up a hill and you can putt from the top of the hill, right? That's how fast downhill and green it is, right? And it's not that far of a shot to get to the top of the hill. So the play is just hit a cut over the top of the hill and it'll roll down to the bottom. But if you don't catch the grass and it kicks right, you have no fucking idea where the ball is, no clue whatsoever. And it's it's just not good. I don't like blind shots. But then 18 absolutely spectacular.

SPEAKER_03 50:50

Yeah, so Matt doesn't like blind shots either. He hated Prairie Club Dunes course. Oh, that was so stupid.

SPEAKER_04 50:58

I I mean, if you've played a course a number of times, blind shots aren't terrible, but like destination courses with a bunch of blind shots is like Sudge Valley is my least favorite course at Sand Valley, and there's a lot of that stuff. Um, it's still a good course, but it's not I don't know.

Matt 51:16

I played it a couple times if you don't at Revere 18 on Concord, if you don't make it to the hill where it starts going down, the next shot is blind. It doesn't bother me at all.

Joe 51:25

I don't like Concord. I hate Concord.

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Matt 51:26

That's I know what's down there. The reason I know what's down there, so it's not that big of a deal. But like you said, going to a resort course and you have no idea.

SPEAKER_04 51:33

Yeah, um, and even like you know, you got you know, you got the cart uh GPS. That's not it's helpful a little bit, but it's not it doesn't give you lines, like you need lines, you need to know what line you need to take, you need to know where to start like stuff like that. It's tough if you know if that's on if you're not familiar, it's hard.

Joe 51:53

I think it's one of the reason is it's like you just got to get out there and play, and you you can understand like designers and how things work, but I mean thankful for GPS. Like my dad, I was talking to him uh I think a couple months ago, and I was like, Yeah, I just I hit up my GPS, saw how far the flag away was. He's like, Hey, we used to have to step this off from sprinkler heads. Yeah, you should be thankful, like you know what I mean.

Matt 52:22

It still hasn't sped up the game.

unknown 52:24

I don't think so.

Joe 52:25

Mike, oh no, it's probably slower. Yeah, yeah, it's probably slower. Yeah, but ridiculous. Yeah, all right.

Matt 52:36

Let's let's put an end to this after show. Had some good conversations, Mike. As always, thank you so much.

SPEAKER_04 52:42

I'm always ready, always ready in the bullpen, always ready in the bullpen. Some people will saves, though. I can't guarantee anything.

Joe 52:50

Mariana Rivera, right here.

SPEAKER_04 52:52

Hey, even Mariana Rivera blew some saves. If I lay a goose egg once in a while, that's it. That's what it is.

Matt 52:58

I I think you're doing just fine. Yeah, so uh, we're gonna end the recording. Everybody, thank you so much for those of you who have subscribed. We really appreciate it. You're helping us uh in ways that you will soon find out how because the show is gonna be getting better. So, Joe, you got something?

Joe 53:16

Yeah, also shout out, Mike. If you're uh uh a premium subscriber, please on the next post say when did Matt become a rapper? All right, what he's got a chain, he's got a pink shirt on, he's got a he's got a hat on. It does look like a chain. I thought that was a chain. I thought that was a chain. There you go. That's how we'll know. That's how we'll know. Yep, municipal cell.

Matt 53:42

Municipal cell.

Joe 53:43

If you listen to the whole name, yeah, throw it in the next post. When did Matt become a rapper? Muni the rapper.

SPEAKER_04 53:50

Muni the rapper.

Joe 53:51

You know who to look out for.

SPEAKER_04 53:52

There we go. Appreciate all y'all.