370: Does Your Caddie Read Your Putts? Tuck-Shirt Gate & The Players Recap

Welcome to episode 370 of The Chasing Daylight Podcast! We kick things off with some sad news: we had to retire our classic intro music due to Spotify rules, but we quickly bounce back with a massive week in golf.

Here's what we cover this week:

• The End of an Era: Saying goodbye to our "Harmonic" intro song after Spotify copyright issues.
• Golf News & Updates: Discussing the new David McLay Kidd "Bone Valley" course at Streamsong and what to expect from LIV Golf's inaugural event in South Africa.
• The Players Recap: Breaking down Cam Young's win, his incredible tee shot on 18, and Ludvig Aberg's Sunday struggles.
• The Great Caddie Debate: Is it fair for a pro to rely entirely on their caddie to read their putts? We discuss Cam Young's strategy and whether green-reading is an essential player skill.
• Tuck-Shirt Gate: A heated discussion on modern golf dress codes—are untucked shirts disrespectful, or is it time for the game to evolve?
• VGN Laughlin Ranch Preview: Gearing up for the Vegas Golf Network tournament and preparing for the 105-degree heat.
• Matt's Bionic Knee: Celebrating Matt being way ahead of schedule on his rehab and getting cleared to swing a club.
• Random Pairings: We share our wildest and funniest stories about getting paired with strangers on the golf course.
• Giveaways & Nostalgia: Our weekly Garsen grip giveaway, custom Seinfeld headcovers, and an unexpected deep dive into Kenny Rogers Roasters and fast food.

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Transcript

Intro Music Era Ends

Matt 0:19

What is up, everybody? It's a sad, sad day here in the Chasing Daylight Podcast House. We have come to the end of an era. So, for those of you who've been listening to us for a while, you may recall that we used to have a song from a specific band called Unwritten Law. Song was called Harmonic, and it was our intro. And we absolutely loved it. And we had a friend that had a friend that knew Scott Russo, and they reached out for us and found out that Scott said, Yeah, use it, go for it. Sweet. So we've been using it since then with the artist's permission. Well, Spotify does not like that. They don't like us using the artist's permission. They want it written down factual from the owner of the content, which is this music studio. And yeah, that's not gonna happen. I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it, I totally get it. I totally get it.

Joe 1:24

So shout out Scott LaRusso LaRusso, right? Russo, Scott Russo, Daniel LaRusso holding us down for a long time, but yeah, I we totally get it. Yeah, so you will not hear us don't even own their music anymore.

Matt 1:38

Michael Jackson's the state owns it, so you will not hear harmonic anymore on the podcast, but you you know occasionally you may find it when we use it on uh you know what? I'm just gonna stop using it everywhere. Never mind, it's over.

Joe 1:52

Yeah, because that one, that one, the intro, the new intro music is from a dude that I know in town that makes beats, and uh he cleared it.

SPEAKER_07 2:01

All right, yes, yeah, we won't have any problems with these.

Matt 2:04

So the outro music, which is hasn't changed, but the intro, yeah. So until until we get big enough, yeah, we can't get the the studio's attention to realize that we're doing good by it. Until then, what's up, everybody?

Sponsor Giveaway And Golf Headlines

Matt 2:20

Yeah, welcome to the show. Welcome to the show. If you're following along on YouTube, thank you so much for being here. We really do appreciate it. Uh, and uh thank you for being here.

SPEAKER_08 2:31

Yeah, yeah, thank you.

Matt 2:32

Thank you, thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Get involved. Uh, one of our show sponsors right here, Garson, Garson, Garson, Garson, uh, Garson Golf. Uh, Dan's got a picture, Joe's got a picture, Jeremy has one back there. Uh, Garson Putter Grips, they are our sponsor of this podcast. We absolutely love them, we all game them, and uh, we'll be giving away uh Garson grip this evening. Joe will be digging in the bag of goodies and pulling one out. And uh yeah, so stay tuned for that. All you gotta do to enter, it's easy. Comment, comment, comment. He woke up in Mexico. See, like this is all you gotta do.

Joe 3:08

Comment Mexico already, chazi back is getting taped. Wow, yeah. Wow, also shout out Cape Town, South Africa in the house. What up? Wow, shout out to uh Gary Blair, right? Gary Blair is from down there, right?

Matt 3:28

With the Black Knight, the Black Knight. Uh, so some things going on in the golfing world. Uh, I'm gonna give a little grassy update of the grassy app. If you're not following, uh along with what's going on there, or you haven't downloaded the app, you can do that. Uh, so you don't know what we're talking about with that. Uh, some of the top stories this week. Uh Stream Song just announced the new David McKay Clid Kid.

Joe 3:52

Okay, okay. Let's start that one over. Let's start that one over. Gmk.

Matt 3:59

Tongue tied, sorry. The new course is called Bone Valley. They have a they have pretty much the modern day golf architect Mount Rushmore there now with Jill Hance, uh uh uh Core Crenshaw, Tom Doak, David McKay, McClay Kid.

Joe 4:19

I can't even see it. Let me take this one. David McClay Kidd. Yes. So now I mean his course at Bandon, too, guys. If you guys can tune in, uh he he uh he owns the first course at Bandon, David McClay Kidd.

Dan 4:35

McClay DMK.

Joe 4:37

I wrote DMK if you have a hard time seeing it, just say DMK.

Matt 4:41

DMK. Uh it's called Bone Valley. Some people were upset that it wasn't a color because you've got the red course, the blue course, and the black course. Uh, so now you have the red, the blue, the black, and bone valley. So bone valley sounds cool. It does sound cool. Uh Cam Young won the players. So, yes, tradition golf. We will be talking a little bit about the players uh and Ludwig's collapse. Uh Bryson won his fourth live title. Uh, thanks to Richard T. Lee missing a two-foot putt to continue the playoff. Mr. Phil, Phil Mickelson is back. He'll be playing in the live event in South Africa this week. Uh, the VGN is going to hot Laughlin.

Joe 5:26

That's why Lule Hill wants to talk about Live because they're coming to the neck of the woods. That's why yes, yes. I get it. I get it. I get it. I get it.

Matt 5:35

Let's see if if this wins anything. Joe sucks.

Joe 5:38

I put it, I already put it up. I put it up already. I wasn't looking. Yeah.

Matt 5:43

Uh the valves bar copperhead.

SPEAKER_03 5:45

You are elite, though. You're very elite.

Matt 5:47

Innsbruck takes place this week. Stacked field. JT's in it. Akshay Bati is in it. Xander's in it. Victor Hoblin's defending. So that should be good. I'm back at work. Had my first day back Sunday. That was exciting. Uh Dan and Jeremy played Boulder Creek over the weekend.

Joe 6:06

Bruce Bruce, he did say how's the knee? We will get a knee update, Bruce Bruce. We will knee update.

Matt 6:13

And Joe is headed to SoCal.

Joe 6:16

I am, yes.

Matt 6:17

So that's the docket of conversations. If there's anything you feel like we missed out and want to get off your chest, send it out. Like TGL, the TGL playoffs. The golf show that nobody watches is going on.

Joe 6:32

Oh, Lulie's gonna be pissed, bro. Watch your mouth.

Matt 6:38

It's a tough watch. It's a tough watch.

Joe 6:41

Yeah, yeah.

Matt 6:42

I I'm I'm just over the redundancy of them playing the same holes every week. But I get it, everybody's gotta play the same holes for the matches. But once you get to the playoffs, mix that shit up.

Joe 6:54

We also do have Tuck Shirt Gate. There was Tuck Shirt Gate.

Matt 6:58

Oh yeah. What'd I miss there?

Joe 7:01

I forget his name. Do you remember the guy that didn't tuck his shirt in during the play? I don't remember either. Yeah. There was some tuck shirt.

Jeremy 7:08

I just remember his shirt wasn't tucked in.

Matt 7:09

At the players?

Jeremy 7:11

Yep. It's a big fan of his.

unknown 7:14

Yeah.

Joe 7:16

No, it wasn't Smotherman. Uh I forget his name. Was it Smotherman? No, it wasn't. But anyway, Tuck Shirt Gate. We could talk about tucking your shirt in, not tucking your shirt in. Because there was Tuck Shirt Gate.

SPEAKER_07 7:29

Wow. I didn't I didn't know that that happened.

Joe 7:33

Sometimes when you're rubbing your knee with Ben Gay, you might miss a few things. You know what I mean?

Matt 7:39

It's up in the nostrils and uh get a little distorted.

Joe 7:43

Yeah. A little cloudy, a little fogged up.

Jeremy 7:47

Uh that's funny. Let's talk about Liv. I have a question. I have a question about the South Africans. So is it are they as rowdy and and rambunctious as the Australians? I'm curious about that.

Joe 8:00

Lily, this is all you.

Jeremy 8:01

Yeah. Because I I I do like watching the DP World Tour events there because you see a lot of exotic wildlife during coverage. And it's interesting, but curious what the live will be like. It's gonna be a party like Australia.

Matt 8:18

First time there, right? Did it say inaugural or is it?

Jeremy 8:23

I don't know.

Matt 8:23

Did I mess that up?

SPEAKER_05 8:24

Is it a is it an in yeah?

Joe 8:27

I mean, we don't watch a lot of live, guys. If if you're here for live content, we don't watch a lot of live.

Dan 8:33

Um it's a hard watch.

Joe 8:37

It's a hard watch.

Matt 8:38

It's a hard the inaugural live golf staff Africa event in Johannesburg.

Joe 8:43

Now, not to say that we have not been to a live tournament, we've been to the Live Vegas tournament. We're from Vegas, Chase Daylight Podcast. Uh, and that was great. I enjoyed I enjoyed going to that tournament, you know what I mean? Um, but it's a hard watch, it's a hard watch on TV.

Matt 9:01

It is a very hard watch, and and everybody says, you know, you need to go to experience it. I mean, go if you want to.

Joe 9:09

Absolutely go if you want to, but I mean, we are we are more chilled in what's IRT? I don't know. IRT. You guys know IRT?

Dan 9:18

Golf? It's probably with golf. Really chill.

Joe 9:21

We're more chilled with golf, rugby, whole different story. And I should have read the whole story first, but yeah.

Matt 9:29

Whole different story. Yeah, rugby is a little different in overseas.

Joe 9:33

I I will say, like, a live tournament feels pretty similar, like in person to a PGA tournament.

Matt 9:41

Kyle's right, right here. It's a hard watch. It's like watching Banana Ball 100%. Boy, my wife loves fucking the Savannah bananas.

Joe 9:50

Yeah, but the Savannah bananas are probably way more fun in real life. Like you can't watch it, but being there is solid.

Matt 9:58

It's entertaining. I mean, it's entertaining. If you're a baseball traditionalist, okay, uh, it's it's a little funky to watch, but I get it. There's definitely an entertainment value, and I mean, good lord, look at the facilities they're selling out, they're selling out football stadiums and playing banana ball.

Joe 10:19

So there you go. Shout out Grassy Golf with the comment. Savannah Bananas of Golf. Shout out Grassy Golf. Grassy Golf is an app. It's an app you can download on your phone. Uh, we had Grassy on what five shows ago?

SPEAKER_07 10:35

Weeks ago, yeah.

Joe 10:36

So go check out that Grassy Golf episode. Go download Grassy Golf app and tap in.

Jeremy 10:44

Shout out Grassy Golf. And we got the mayor of Grassy on here.

Matt 10:47

Yeah, look at that. Look at that map, all them courses. It's so much fun.

Dan 10:52

You still in on top there, Matt?

Matt 10:55

Yes, I am. I was gonna bring that up right now. So uh Grassy is giving away a quantum Callaway, quantum max driver, and you get entries into that by participating. And uh there you have a list of the entries. And oh, yeah, look who's on top. Yeah, that's me. Uh-huh.

Joe 11:15

He was working, you were working towards that.

Matt 11:17

Yeah, and then I'm also on top of the referrals right now, too, which is a $250 gift card.

Dan 11:22

So get a double dip on him.

Matt 11:24

Daddy's gonna get some new shoes because I'm not paying.

Dan 11:27

Don't don't send a shoe, don't send new shoes to match that quantum driver.

Matt 11:33

Uh yeah, so man, that uh that that is a fun golf app. It's I I got 90 courses ranked on there right now. I still got probably another 20, 25 to do. Uh won't I won't eclipse the top guy.

Joe 11:47

Galloway employee trying to snag a free driver. Shout out Kyle motherfuckers. Hell yeah.

Matt 11:52

If I give free shit, most of the time it's gonna go to the show. Um hey, I I got my new elite driver. What do we do? We gave away my AI smoke. Shout out to Hesher Hack. So if I give free shit, most of the time you guys get free shit.

Joe 12:12

So yeah, it's going to whatnot or it's going to the podcast giveaways. So yeah. We're here root for him, root for him.

Matt 12:20

Yeah, so uh there's a code uh on Grassy. Uh everybody's got one, but I'll give you mine uh so you guys can see it. Let's see, invite friends. Oh, I gotta do it a different way. It's around here somewhere, anyways. But uh go to the app and log in or create an account, it's free, it doesn't cost anything. There are premium features that you can pay for if you want, but it's it's a lot of fun. It's a golf-only app. That's what I love about it. The more people that are coming, him, that's what they send him a TM. What's wrong with you, man? So bitter, so bitter. No, the Cowway staff bag is never getting run. Russ wants that fucking bag.

Dan 13:03

I think he just tunes in just to just to see the bag. It doesn't mean that's what we have to say, unless we're talking shit on DPS.

Matt 13:09

I'll take it down next week. Yeah, yeah, stop asking.

Joe 13:13

That's what I did with the grip. I still have the grip that he asks for all the time, but it's just like it's mine, it's over here. I got it right here. That's so funny. Kidding.

Matt 13:24

I still have last week's winner for this. I gotta I gotta get that to go.

Dan 13:28

Yeah, it's got a long way to go. You gotta get that to Guam. It's gotta go to Guam to Guam. Man, yeah.

Matt 13:36

This week's uh the giveaway is a five-dollar entry fee to cover the shipping for last week's giveaway. There you go. There you go.

Jeremy 13:43

You know what? Shipping might not be that bad because it's a US territory. It's not terrible, it's not that bad. Yeah, okay.

Joe 13:49

It's Hawaii.

Matt 13:50

Yeah, it's like send it Hawaii.

Joe 13:52

I'm sure we just gotta wait for uh Teresa to grab something on the whatnot show and then we could throw it in there. But you better get it here.

Matt 13:58

Hey, that's a great idea. I didn't think about that.

Joe 14:01

I told you that last week.

Matt 14:03

Yeah, exactly. As soon as UPS stops talking about packages, you'll run it.

Joe 14:09

That sounds like a shot at Bush right there.

Matt 14:11

But oh Brian says he's trailing me by 20 entries.

Joe 14:16

You better get on it.

Matt 14:17

Yeah, hey, the thing that's cool about Grassy, every day you log in and are active, you get more entries, and it just keeps doubling up. So guess who's house is getting broken into? Taking the knee on the power build staff and that grip.

Joe 14:36

We got we got we got we got people here though. Watch yourself. That's a long journey payment. That's a long journey, long way to come back empty-handed.

Dan 14:45

Yeah, he wants you to hit the green sign. Probably, yeah. I mean is that was that what he means by the neon? No.

Matt 14:54

Has he has he learned how to read the chat yet when he's doing a show?

Joe 14:56

No, no, no, he has not. He can't read for shit. Nebraska schooling system is absolute trash. Um, but I still I still enjoy Nebraska, I still like Nebraska. Hey, we're going back very soon. Very soon. That is eight weeks away. That is there. You go.

Dan 15:15

Did you guys see that post about the prairie club? How they got the wildfire wildfire.

Joe 15:18

I learned about it when payment failed.

Dan 15:20

I learned about it from Payment Failed. What happened? I hope that's uh there's wildfires going on near the prairie club.

SPEAKER_07 15:26

No, that canyon.

Dan 15:29

This was about yeah, this is like three or four days ago, so I'm not sure if they're still going, but uh uh yeah, payment. If you can give me a little hot spot up there, yeah.

Joe 15:38

Payment text me. He said, Hey, you might have been there the year before they have to redo it. So we might have solved that.

Matt 15:44

You gotta be able to read before you could read 50 dipshits teasing you for an hour.

Joe 15:50

True that, yeah. I mean, to be fair, payment shows are all them people talking shit to them. So I mean, yeah, because he's a shit talker.

Matt 15:59

So hey, happy Saint Patrick's Day to those of you that are you know out celebrating the holidays and aren't hanging with us. I I got my green going on. I threw the elite hat on to get the green going.

Joe 16:10

Now playing.

Matt 16:13

Oh, look at that. Yeah, all right.

Joe 16:15

Now playing Chase Italy on a podcast.

Matt 16:17

I hope everybody's out enjoying some green beer and being safe. St. Patrick's Day in the middle of the week. It's gonna be green's day, it's hitting Green's Day.

Joe 16:25

That's what it is.

Matt 16:25

Yes, it is.

Joe 16:26

That's what you need.

Matt 16:27

You need to have a 317 release, Joe.

Joe 16:29

Hey, shout out, shout out the homie J Mac.

Dan 16:32

You should have a 420 release, Joe. That's really hitting green. The tour reject himself.

Joe 16:36

We got the tour reject himself in here, J Mac. If you guys know, you know. Shout out J Mac, my twin, twin, twin, twin.

Matt 16:48

I saw Payment lighting up some people he didn't even know.

Joe 16:53

Oh yeah with that coin, that corn boy. Payment out there with that corn.

Matt 16:59

What's up with the fire, Payment? Any news on that? Any updates for us?

Joe 17:03

They got snow, they got snow. Uh, prairie club on Instagram, they got snow. So there you go.

Matt 17:09

I believe the course is intact. I heard possibly a few structure fires may have cut or a few structures may have cut fire, but it's still ongoing. Currently have 550,000 acres of fire. Jeez, that was zero percent contained on Sunday. We're burning up. Wow, that's crazy. Sound like California. That wind just can't do anything about it. No, there's no there's no protection. There's none.

Joe 17:32

Like it honestly, what payment what payment failed said, he said, um, you know, when things burn up, it produces more carbon, so it'll create more fertile land for it to come back better.

Dan 17:44

And that's burnt that's nature, yeah.

Joe 17:46

That's why they do burn some golf courses. It it's you know what I mean? Carbon seems live burns going on when we go to Bandon that they just the marsh areas get us overgrown, they just burn it to that's funny, combo because covering it in popcorn, and then the fire comes and it's just pop popcorn everywhere.

Matt 18:11

Uh shit. Oh, snow in half the state and fire with 60 other winds, six mile winds in the other. Jeez, yeah, that's crazy. Fuck

Players Championship Reactions

Matt 18:20

that. All right, uh, so uh let's let's chat players. The players, the players. What'd you guys think? First thoughts, Jeremy. First thoughts, the players.

Jeremy 18:35

Um, I want to play there really bad. Like every year, it's like, okay, yeah, I need to play there. Yeah, but I was so happy to see Cam win finally. What a tournament to do it, too.

Matt 18:47

All right. So I don't know if I said this in our group chat or not, but there is a little bit of controversy with his win. Dan, Dan, what did you think?

Dan 18:55

I thought it was a good tournament. Um, some nice young players um asserting themselves up to the top of the leaderboard, which was nice. It was kind of bad to see. I was I was cheering for uh Oberg. I like him. Um, it was those those two doubles really fucking killed him.

SPEAKER_08 19:11

Yeah.

Dan 19:12

Um, but um, you know, you live and you learn. Uh hopefully he'll uh he'll use this and you know, maybe win the Masters. You never know, but uh Masters is lost. It was a good tournament. Um, Happy Cam won. He's another another good young player up and coming. So it was good. I liked it. Joe, I know you were watching it.

Joe 19:35

Uh yeah, I I mean I didn't watch a ton, but the I what's so interesting about Dan's comment as well is like Ludwig Oberg's coming out party was his first masters, so yeah, he played that shit super well. Um I didn't watch a ton. Um, I did watch most of Sunday, I watched a lot of Saturday, but like Jeremy said, I want to play that course. I just don't want to fork over that $700 or $900. But I do want to play it because it's a it's like super game, uh video game Pete Dye golf course, like where you have to sh you got to shape the shit out of your shots, and uh I do want to get there one day, but man, that's a tough, that's a tough cookie to swallow. But um, I enjoyed it. I was rooting for Oberg, and then after that front nine on Sunday, he just tanked. But uh, I do love Cam Young. We we were calling out Cam Young a couple years ago. I remember I was betting on Cam Young every week to win, and it's good to see him finally take it home. And what a killer finish by him. Uh he on 17, hell of a shot, and uh that drive on 18 was that was ridiculous. Best drive I've ever seen on that role. Massive drive. Absolutely on that hall, he had a hundred in. Yeah, my big that driver was insane. That t-shot on 18 was nuts, nuts.

Jeremy 21:06

Makes me want to pause my swing at the top, right?

Matt 21:08

And you see how many, how many

The Caddie Green Reading Debate

Matt 21:10

drawers of the member at Sleepy Hollow is what it makes me want to do.

Joe 21:17

All right, so yeah, I was nuts, dude. Driver is crazy.

Matt 21:22

I I do want to give some shout out to uh the guys at at Please Let Us Golf, because they were the one that brought this to my attention. Uh, but Cam stopped reading his putts. He last year brought in his caddy, who he says is the best green reader he's ever known. And he 100% uh you know, tap ins, I'm assure a different story, but he brings him in and he reads the putts and sets them up, and then he just hits the ball. Do you what's your guys' thoughts on that as far as Him taking an aspect of the game that is a skill set. I mean, you reading a green is a skill set. You know, and removing one of those skill sets and having somebody else do it, does that hinder at all your thoughts on him as a player, complete player?

Jeremy 22:19

Not at all. That's what a caddy's for.

Matt 22:23

But like every read, talking like every read. Now some caddy's.

Joe 22:28

Dan Young doesn't even look at his putts. He doesn't even take a guess. He gives his caddy where, like, hey, this is your read. Tell me where to hit it.

Dan 22:36

Yeah. I don't know.

Joe 22:40

I mean that's a caddy's job, in my opinion.

Dan 22:43

I I feel it is a caddy's job. Um, it's it's one less thing for the player to think about, you know, you want as as as somebody who is caddied and somebody who has had a little bit of tournament experience, you know, you don't want to be in your head a whole lot over the ball and over shots. If he is having issues reading the greens, then why what what else would you do but bring in an extra set of eyes? Even if it's just for confirmation, you know, something like that helps. Removing any doubt helps. So you know, I don't I don't have a problem with it. You know, a lot of guys have you know just issues seeing seeing lines on greens, and some caddies they just they can see it. Some guys just can are just blessed with with natural ability to green read. So yeah, I mean if it if you have a caddy that is a great greens green reader, why not?

Matt 23:35

Is it any different than the LPGA tour saying caddies can't set up their players? Remember that the LPGA changed that a couple years ago.

Joe 23:45

Yeah, that's different.

Matt 23:47

Line them up in the the the stroke position and say, Okay, you're good now, swing.

Dan 23:51

Yeah, I mean I don't see an I I don't really see another issue with that because ultimately you still have to put the right stroke or the right swing on the ball. Um but you know golf professional golf has got a bunch of stupid fucking rules, and that's part that's just one of them. But um, but I'm okay with I'm okay with caddy reading the greens. If you know if I was playing and Matt, you were out there caddying for me and I was struggling on the greens and you're reading them dead on.

Joe 24:18

I'm gonna go with Matt wouldn't have an issue with that either. I bet he'd be like, I'm I made that, but but uh you know what I'm saying though.

Matt 24:26

J Mac on this question can we see the dad on his stroke scanning when he's reading versus when his caddies? Yes, that uh the guy that please let us golf had that on their post. Let me find it and I'll I'll put it in the link in the in the in the comments because they put the thing though, bro.

Joe 24:39

Every other caddy has that same ability, maybe he just has a better caddy. I mean, find yourself a good caddy, yeah. You know, but is it there's no rule against it, it doesn't diminish him at all, I don't think. Another thing reading the reading the putt and standing behind him and lining up different.

Dan 24:59

Another thing too, though, is that these guys play the same tracks year after year after year, and they usually don't really go through caddies a lot unless you're like you know struggling to tip make your top 125. So these guys just have notes and notes and notes of how these greens have reacted over the years. The only thing the guys got to worry about is the speed, you know. So they just have so much familiarity with a lot of these greens on tours that it probably doesn't even data. There's a lot of data, it is a lot of data, but it's once you had it already like memorized and written down and in your in your scorebooks and your yardage books and stuff like that. Like, I don't know. These guys are just so good at honing in shit that you know they could just recall on past experiences and probably have a great week, you know.

Joe 25:41

There you go, Kyle. Who gets the blame if he misses the putt?

SPEAKER_07 25:44

Not the caddy, not the caddy, not the caddy.

Jeremy 25:47

Yeah, thing is I'm sure Cam's aware of the breaks and everything, it's just dialing it precisely.

Matt 25:53

So that's what they posted his strokes game putting for look at that, J Mac. Look at that, Tween. Since he uh switched to his caddy reading, that's what his strokes gain putting has done. Wow. So yeah, just a little bit better.

Joe 26:08

But the thing is, is what he's what he's doing, I think, with his caddy, he's taking out the second guessing of the putt. That's all he's doing, yeah. Just removing any doubt, the commitment, yeah, removing any doubt, taking you know, full trust in his caddy, commitment. And you know, we don't play with caddies all the time, but you know, like, oh, maybe it goes my all my feet, you know, and it's just like tell me the line, and I'm hitting it, and there's that removes the doubt, it removes the second guessing. If you and and shout out to him having complete trust in his caddy, that's fucking hard.

Dan 26:43

Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, it's definitely it's definitely a team thing out there. You know, you you got your caddy with you for four days, and there's nobody else to rely on but you and your caddy out there, so that relationship is key.

Matt 26:54

It's a very special relationship, it's it's a it's a very unique relationship, and you hear a lot of the guys, not all of them, but a lot of the guys on tour when they're doing interviews. Like Cam was on TGL earlier tonight, and the first thing they asked him was, Tell us about 17, the shot on 17. And he's like, you know, we were really lucky, we drew a really good number, it's a lot of wee, wee, we, you know, and yeah, George is the same way. He talks a lot of wee wee wee in his team. Uh, and that's that's kind of how the modern golf game is. I will say, my opinion, that's a skill set, and you have to you need to have that skill set in order to compete, and you should not be able to rely on somebody else to give you an advantage on a skill set you don't have.

Joe 27:40

All these all these players, all these players rely on their caddies to go out Monday, Tuesday, or Friday, Saturday, Sunday before a tournament and pick lines for them. All of them do.

Matt 27:54

Yeah, they they they walk the course, they take notes. They I mean the the job of a caddy is so underrated as well. Yeah, yes, it's a skill set, but I still think when it comes to reading a green and making a putt, that should be on the player, not the caddy. No, he wants to bring in his caddy. Hey, this is what I see. What do you think? Nah, I see it this way. Okay, I see what you're saying. All right, yeah, I understand that. But going, tell me where to hit the ball. But how is that different? It's a lot different, it's a lot different.

Joe 28:30

It's all mental. Well, so what if he's looking at it? How do we know that he does he say? Did he say, I don't read anything, I don't even look at it until my caddy tells me where to put it.

Matt 28:41

Pretty much, pretty much.

Joe 28:44

Okay, well, how do we know how do we know a lot of other players don't do that? That's the thing.

Matt 28:48

I I don't know, but I'm saying this happened, it's out there, people are talking about it, and I I don't think if you're you're playing a sport competing against other guys, and they're using their skill sets against you, using your skill sets, and you go, Hey, here's one skill set I don't have to use to beat you because I have somebody else doing it for me.

Joe 29:10

Well, you still have to read the putt. He do that. The caddy is not putt view, the caddy is not a AI algorithm, he's not he's not putting you, but he what's so dope about that as well is that he's comp putting he's putting so much trust in his caddy to win a tournament, and maybe other players should do that too. It doesn't give you, I don't think it gives you any benefit. You're just relying on your if that caddy was the best putter in the entire world, why is he on tour? Maybe they just have that sort of relationship where he can just be like, I trust you so much, let me know where to hit it, I'll hit it there, and you still got to roll it right, you still got to hit that line.

Matt 29:53

Of course, there's still there's still other elements involved.

Dan 29:56

I think it's just one of those weird things with golf, you know, like you know, sometimes you just struggle with certain aspects of your game, you know. Like look at Tiger a few years back. Remember when he was struggling chipping and he was fucking blading shit over the green and chunking every other shot? You know, we wouldn't ever think that you know, short game is a skill set too. You know, sometimes you just lose it for a little bit. Green readings too. I'm I'm sure you guys have had uh, you know, like a couple of months or a couple of weeks where you go out playing and you could just see lines like crazy. And then, like, you know, by the end of the summer, you're going out playing and you just can't fucking read any lines, like you can't see anything. You know the course, you just having a hard time seeing lines, you know. It's like you know, shit happens. Very relatable. And and maybe Cam is just at that point where everything else is hitting, he was just having issues reading some stuff. So now that he's kind of relinquished a little bit of that to his to his caddy, he might be like, you know, it might work on him getting his reading greens, his green reading skills back, but I don't know.

Matt 30:58

That's okay. So last year when I had my my the menisca surgery and I couldn't play, I went out and uh it was I think was it Trey, Jeremy, Dan, you guys were out at Coyote Springs, and I went and followed along and was just recording, just I just had to get out of the house. And I saw every break and on every putt. It was it was incredible. I had no skin in the game whatsoever, and I just saw it like crazy. Just this past Saturday, Jeremy and Dan were playing out of Boulder Creek. I said, Hey, I'm gonna, if it's cool with you guys, I'm gonna come hop along. And and it was the same thing. You guys are looking at these putts, and in my head, I'm going, you know, because I'm I was seeing it, you know. And so you you wonder if somebody that's not out there playing has a different perspective.

Jeremy 31:52

I don't know, it's yeah, I think so. But it's because when you're I mean you're playing in a tournament, you're typically guarding against running it by too far or leaving it short, playing enough break. Caddy's just you know what what's the best opportunity to make this putt rather than playing defensive.

Joe 32:11

Yeah, I think it's one of those things when you're in the game, you're like, Oh, am I you know it's mental. And I think I think him doing that takes out some of the mental, and good on him. Everybody has that same opportunity to take out the mental. If probably because most of these guys with the the caddies probably saying, like, hit it here, and they're like, No, I don't trust that. Well, I know I know and young having so much trust in his gatty.

Matt 32:37

Don't want to hear that shit at all. Don't tell me nothing. Exactly. You're you're here to all my clubs and break my bonkers. You know, there's there to get to that relationship, it's it's not easy. You hear about caddy breakups, player breakups all the time.

Joe 32:51

So, but they're giving you influence on everything. That's it made it made me think takes it more to heart. Yeah, it just made me think like the others need to do, you know.

Matt 33:01

If you know, basketball, I know it's a different sport, but basketball, if you're horrible at free throws and you just have somebody come in and just shoot your free throws for you, you know.

Joe 33:10

It I know it's not the same, but no, no, yeah, it'd be like aim here, that'd be like aim here. Well, that's but golf is very different from every other sport as well.

Matt 33:19

I know, I know. I just I just think it's green green reading is a skill set that an elite player needs to have. You know, if you're an elite player, you need to be able to read a green.

Joe 33:34

I get what you're saying.

Matt 33:35

I understand that if if his caddy wasn't there, I just think green reading, green reading at its heart.

Joe 33:41

Okay, let me give it the get this one real quick. Green reading at its heart is about digesting all the information you have available to you and finding the spot you need to hit it on and hitting the line. And he has information from a great green reader.

Matt 34:00

Yeah, I I see your point there. Yeah if his caddy's not there, he doesn't win the tournament.

Joe 34:08

We'll never know. We'll never know.

Matt 34:10

I'm saying that.

Joe 34:11

Did he when did he get his caddy? When did he get his caddy? Do we know that? I don't know. I mean this this that guy, it's that guy.

Dan 34:19

It's a local local sawgrass caddy.

Joe 34:21

I mean it goes back to the thing, do that, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Some people do. I mean, back in the day in the masters, they they only let local players uh local caddies use you so and how many of those guys took advantage of the masters caddies to where they could, you know, they knew those greens because they were locals.

Matt 34:45

Caddy didn't hit it 375 down 18th hole. Either caddy is part of the team and the game best team wins. I can respect that.

Dan 34:52

Yeah, it's very, it's a very finicky, very finicky issue.

Matt 34:57

Yeah, I I honestly I think there's gonna be more to come from this. I think you're gonna start finding out a little bit more about how much guys are getting help out there versus not, and the guys that yeah, absolutely.

Joe 35:12

The guys that think why aren't why can't you read my line that great? What the fuck? Why haven't I won the players? Learn how to read greens.

Jeremy 35:22

It's caddy's last last year is when they started working together.

Joe 35:26

Last year, yeah.

Jeremy 35:27

But they've I think they played college together, so there you go.

Joe 35:32

I mean, he won in November and won the players.

Dan 35:36

Yeah, it'll definitely get interesting if if Cam starts to take off now, you know, starts to starts to get in a few more wins and winning big events and stuff like that for sure.

Matt 35:45

Yep, yep. It's gonna be.

Dan 35:55

I think he did look like he was wearing a a lace blouse on set on something or something. Look like my look like my grandma's doily on a couch with buttons.

Joe 36:07

I don't know, Theo. Gotta hit those greens first.

Matt 36:11

The the Jordan brand is so iconic and it it looks terrible out there. Terrible.

Jeremy 36:21

Yeah, it's like an it's like knockoff Maubon. I don't I don't know.

Matt 36:25

Oh, it's it's like they went, hey, look what the success that they're having at that golf ball company, golf ball logo company, you know, down there in SoCal.

Dan 36:36

Very weird. Didn't Tiger have the same caddy forever? Uh he had a few caddies.

Joe 36:41

He had a few caddies.

Dan 36:42

Yeah, Stevie Williams was a long caddy.

Joe 36:44

Stevie Williams and then Fluff and then uh and then Joe. Yeah, Joe Lacava. All right, that's that speaking of speaking of uh we're talking about um attire,

Tuck Shirt Gate And Golf Respect

Joe 37:00

right?

Matt 37:01

Attire, yeah, like on the go round and round.

Joe 37:04

Are you talking about clothes? Attire. Apparently. How do you feel? How do you feel about that dude not tucking his shirt in? I I could care less.

Jeremy 37:13

I could the same thing. When Tiger started wearing those mock turtlenecks, it's like everyone was just losing it. Yeah, yeah, no collar on that shirt.

Matt 37:22

So that this is one of the things that I I've and rapper port talked about it. I'm kind of in in between. I I get the the history of the game and you know why polos and you know tuck your shirt in. I I get all that. And one of the things that I heard one time was like, why do you when you go to church? I'm not a churchgoer, but those of you who are, why do you get dressed up to go to church? You know, you wear your Sunday best. You know, back in the day when you go fly, the guys wore business suits. You know, you wore suits, you're fedora, and you know, you got dressed to the nine.

Joe 38:02

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Matt 38:03

You know, it's because it was a it was uh an event that wasn't something that was taking place every day. So you're gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna look the part, I'm gonna dress to the nines, boom, boom, boom. This going to church, you wear your Sundays best, you're you're looking your best for for the Lord, blah, blah, blah. And that's like how golf was. You know, dress your best to be out there enjoying this amazing game. But some people have taken it too literal. You know, it's it's a sport, it's a game, it's a hobby. It's it's not how it used to be that only elite country club people could play this game. Everybody can play this game now. Go to a golf course, everybody is playing this game right now.

Joe 38:42

Absolutely.

Matt 38:43

It's expensive as hell, and it's a different era. And I think the old fogies kind of get butthurt when they see the young kids come out wearing hoodies and t-shirts and untucked shirts. Okay, boomer.

Joe 38:56

Not very true.

Matt 38:57

So it's not very true.

Joe 39:00

So uh Dan Rappaport, he talked about this, and he had um let me see if I can find it. He was he's yeah, there we go. Tucker no tuck. There you go. They're talking about it, right? What's his name? So Dan Rappaport is very for respect of the game, which I completely understand, right? Like and and what is respect for the game? Like, if I show up in an untucked polo, like, am I disrespecting the game? I love the game so much, like I respect the game as much as I possibly can. Um, but I forget the guy's name, and then he had another dude on the show where he's like, No, there's no disrespect, right? Like, we all come from different backgrounds of the world, and maybe your Sunday best is different from everyone else's Sunday best. Like, maybe maybe my Sunday best is a hit and greens hat and a hit and greens t-shirt and uh some PXG pants that I got from a homie, Eric Greenley. You know what I mean? It's it's in a way you can as long as you respect the game in some way, like you you you feel your divots, you wreck your bunkers, you fix your ball marks, it's a lot of enjoyable to play with it. Exactly. And it's like just because there's a fucking tucked-in polo, that's means you're disrespecting. That's my problem with it, right? I don't like tucking in my shirt, but I love the game of golf, right? And it's like if you look at me like I'm disrespecting the game of golf because my shirt's not tucked in, you probably should look in the mirror.

Jeremy 40:51

You think Augusta would have asked him to tuck his shirt in? Uh, probably, yeah.

Joe 40:55

Oh, absolutely. 100%. It wasn't like it wasn't down to his knees, it wasn't down to his knees or anything, it was it was just right below his bell buckle, you know, like but that's that's considered disrespect because you didn't have your you didn't tuck your shirt in.

unknown 41:14

Yeah.

Joe 41:15

Now if you're rocking jinkos and fucking, you know, I mean, we can go way deep into the 90s on this shit, but I hate tucking my shirt in, but I will do it. If if somebody I'm playing with or like a member I'm playing with ask me to do it, absolutely 100%. But if if they don't care, like it's you know, the the game of golf is to be enjoyed by you know, it's changing, everything's changing. It's changing.

Matt 41:45

People make an issue of untucked shirt at a course, but guys can get shit faced and that's acceptable.

Jeremy 41:50

Yeah, and act like idiots and running over other people. Yeah, yeah.

Joe 41:55

Because I don't tuck my shirt in, I'm an asshole.

Matt 41:57

No, yeah. I mean, we Joe and I got destroyed because we had t-shirts on playing old Mac. Yeah, oh my god, what the hell's wrong with you guys? It's like, man, that was like one of the greatest days of my life, and I was so fucking comfortable, exactly, and I had so much to be enjoyed, man.

Joe 42:17

Enjoy it how you will, like, it's not up to other people to enjoy to impose how you feel about golf on you. It's feel it and golf and enjoy it.

Matt 42:30

And you know what? If we pull up at a place and they the says shirts must be tucked in, I'm I'm no, I'm the first one. Absolutely following all the way.

Joe 42:39

I take my hat off all the time in the clubhouse, but I don't think you should be judged for being yourself. Okay, I don't tuck my shirts in, I don't want to be judged for being myself. But if you ask me, like, hey, this is what we do here, this is what we do here, then hey, I'll do it because I'm I'm in your home. And it's the same thing in society as well. Like, you know, some people don't take their shoes off when they go upstairs, or yeah, like if you ask me to do it, and that's that's what you what happens here, I'm in.

Matt 43:13

Wow, Jake said I had a tiless fitting at Trump National at Palo Verdes, and I wasn't wearing a polo. An employee at Trump National told me I had to buy a polo in order to go out of the range.

Joe 43:22

Yeah, see that that's the type of shit I hate. Yeah, I don't like that.

Matt 43:27

Don't want your part around here. Your kind's not welcome.

Joe 43:31

Hey, and they want to grow the game, right? The they want to grow the game, they want to grow the game, right? They don't want to grow it. Not those guys, but they got their members that are paying. That's a big thing. Let's grow the game. Hey, we gotta grow the game. If you don't adapt, if you don't adapt, you're not gonna survive.

Matt 43:49

Yeah, those it's I mean, I can't wait to see where this game is in 10 years because the last 10 years have been wild. The 10 years before that was wild.

Dan 44:00

Even since COVID, it's been completely changed. 10 years I'm going to be priced out. Yeah, right. $700 to go play a Muni course.

Matt 44:09

I got a Thursday tea time at national, one o'clock. It's only $86 for nine holes.

Joe 44:19

The place that I pay $18 a bucket makes you wear a collared shirt and no denim. That's the only rule, not too bad.

SPEAKER_02 44:28

Yeah, that's not too bad.

Joe 44:30

Yeah.

Matt 44:31

You can go to Canada. You wear denim all you want.

Joe 44:34

Yeah, I'm Canadian. Canadian tuxedo. Maybe wear that. And that's one thing for me, though. Like, don't wear denim to the golf course. That's one thing for me. Like, don't do that shit. I'm down with that one. Don't wear no denim. We had a guy, corny boys. Coming for corny boys.

Matt 44:52

Coming for a fitting at uh one of the uh private clubs we were at, and he was wearing denim. And the uh the golf operations guy came up to one of the pros, and he's like, uh he so they told him, and he's like, Okay, sorry.

Joe 45:09

Davy, what a Davy, no jeans, no jeans, no jeans. I will stand by that one all day. No fucking jeans, don't wear jeans to a golf course because you're not comfortable, and I know it. Don't wear jeans to a golf course, like even if they allow jeans, don't do that shit because you could feel way better without jeans if you wore something nicer.

Dan 45:31

What about sweats?

Matt 45:32

Yeah, that what Tommy Fleetwood was wearing on Saturday look like sweatpants.

Jeremy 45:40

Just saying. Didn't Jason Bay wear a sweatsuit from like last year or something?

SPEAKER_02 45:47

Oh, sorry, Jordan's.

VGN Laughlin Ranch Preview

Matt 45:50

Oh man, it's wild to see what's going on out there. All right, uh, let's get to some uh Phil Mickelson's back. Anybody care? Nope.

Joe 45:58

Uh no, I I hope he wins because I got that master's joint up there that will sell one day.

Matt 46:06

Uh okay, good. So we can cross that off. All right.

Joe 46:15

You owe me a lot of Uber joint, a lot of Uber dollars, Davey.

Matt 46:20

All right, so the VGN, the Vegas Golf Network. If you guys don't know, you're new to the podcast and following along with us here. Uh I run a golf league with these guys called the Vegas Golf Network. And we have our second event of the season. Takes place this Saturday down in Bullhead City at Laughlin Ranch Golf Club. It's actually in Arizona, not Nevada. Um beautiful golf course, desert golf course. Uh I call it the Conestoga of Laughlin. It's it's a fun, fun layout. The round is fantastic, uh, very eclectic. They got some really cool mine holes. They got holes with tall flags, they've got railroad bridges and water hats. It's it's a fun golf course. When I booked this last year, I went, if we're gonna go to Laughlin, we need to go really late in the year or really early in the year. And I already had roads down because roads as the first event of the year, I think, is great because the course is so green and lush, and it's a fun course for the start of the year. It's in town, easily accessible for everybody. So the first travel event, I said, okay, let's do Laughlin Ranch before it gets hot. It's a banger. It's only gonna be 105 in Laughlin on Saturday.

Jeremy 47:32

Yeah. Unbelievable this little five before spring starts. Yeah, we're gonna get cooked. This sounds crazy.

Matt 47:41

And yeah, so uh my apologies to everybody that is going down. We got 59 players coming down to play. Uh, thank you all for committing to the event. And uh yeah, it's gonna be a good time. But man, was I not prepared for 105 for everybody.

Joe 47:59

You're you're no Matt Gonteric, I'll tell you that.

Matt 48:02

No, no, and he told me last week, he goes, Oh, I'll probably get to 95 down there. I'm like, okay, good. Fucking weatherman. Fucking weatherman, dude.

Jeremy 48:10

When it goes from 50 to 80, 80 feels hot.

Matt 48:14

Yeah, dude. It was like I had the AC cranking today. It was 85.

Joe 48:21

Everybody looks at temperatures like it's hot here or it's cold here, but like it depends on like sun, wind, clouds, like you know, 45 in Vegas when it's just sunny, no clouds, no wind is beautiful.

Matt 48:36

Yeah, no humidity.

Joe 48:38

Yeah, exactly. It's it's so subjective as well, you know what I mean. But hopefully, uh, there's some cloud coverage, a little breeze. We don't need a lot of wind, but like a little breeze is great, you know.

Matt 48:50

Turn the fan on on low. Just turn the fan on low. Yeah, put on number one, put it on number one. Yeah, so uh little gonna be a little breezy. That course plays tough in the wind. That's it's its defense, much like Paiute. If you don't have wind, you can light that place up. We played it with no wind before we had the tournament there last year. Joe, me, and Matt Boyd, and we had a scoring fest. And then the tournament last year was brutal, brutal because the wins were tough. Um, the uh the the big boys will be tipping it out at close to 7,200 yards. Um, spades is at 6,500, and then right at 6100 for the clubs and the hearts. So it's gonna be a good day. It's gonna be a good day.

Joe 49:35

I great golf course, great golf course.

Matt 49:38

I was pondering. I'm like, you know, I might be a late ad because the knee's feeling pretty good, but I'm not gonna risk it.

Joe 49:43

Don't stretch it, don't stretch it.

Matt 49:45

Gonna gonna wait.

Joe 49:46

So I I did get stretch, stretch your knee, but don't stretch it.

Matt 49:50

It's it's stretch armstrong right now, man. That thing is bending, bending.

Knee Rehab Update And Fitting Talk

Matt 49:56

Uh, so a little knee update. Last episode. Knee update. Knee update.

Joe 50:02

Bruce Bruce Bruce Bruce asked for the knee update. Here you go, Bruce Bruce.

Matt 50:07

Here, VG in question real quick. What's the handicap for the club division? 18 to 25. So we cap it out at 25. If you're a 27, you play to a 25. If you're a 35, you play to a 25. Uh 18 to 25.

Joe 50:19

Local. T Thiels a little bit.

SPEAKER_07 50:21

Come join, man. Come join.

Matt 50:23

Yeah, and we play off the low net. So uh the most strokes that you're gonna get in that flight is is six strokes.

Joe 50:31

So yeah, but everybody play. Oh, so you'd be in uh when does that you'd be in the hearts? Yeah, yeah. And that starts at nine or ten. So ten now. The lowest handicap, you would get two strokes. So everybody starts fresh. Yeah, you play off the low net, is what it's called.

Matt 50:53

So yeah, so uh new knee update. All right, so last week uh I was told by my therapist I really needed to push it, and I was having a couple bad days. Uh, I went on Monday and didn't make much progress, and so I was a little kind of a little depressed state last week before the show. And uh then, you know, Wednesday had a pretty good day, uh, did some exercises before I went and went to therapy and got a stellar report, like outstanding news. I made a little post on on Instagram talking about how happy I was.

Joe 51:31

You love talking about your new knee. I knew how excited you are.

Matt 51:35

It's it's uh it was a it was a fun day after you know four weeks of fucking hell. Um it was nice to get some good positive positive news out of it. Uh, I got told that I can start swinging the club at six weeks, not eight. So that is this weekend that I can start swinging and practicing uh more than just chipping and putting. Um, I was out at Siena doing a fitting and grabbed a couple clubs and was making some half swings, and and it feels it feels really good. So very happy with this. If all things keep going the way they're going, and today's session was another really good therapy session. So um, yeah, way ahead of schedule. And hopefully, you know, while everybody's out playing the course, I will be doing some practicing on the range.

Joe 52:25

You should be you're you should be 100% for land, man, right?

SPEAKER_07 52:29

Oh god, yeah.

Joe 52:30

Um ready. That's the main thing. That's the main thing. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, he already posted one, Austin.

Matt 52:38

No, I didn't post one. No, because I gotta be careful. I gotta be careful. I don't want to upset anybody.

Joe 52:46

Bruce Bruce was the one for the new knee update, and he says awesome news. Shout out, Bruce Bruce. Let Bruce Bruce.

Matt 52:53

Swelling is is going down even more. I got one little section that's pretty puffy right now. That as soon as I get that down, my knee won't look so deformed anymore. But yeah, happy to be back working, happy to be back out there fittings. Thursday at Revere. If anybody's local and you want to get fit, go sign up. We got spots available, and uh yeah, back on it.

SPEAKER_02 53:16

He's also back in the garage, guys. He's also back in the garage.

Matt 53:20

Yeah, Sidon was over here today picking up some stuff, and he's like, You and Julian got so much work. I said, Oh, that's all whatnot. That's all Joe. Thank you, sir, thank you, sir, thank you, sir, thank you, sir.

Joe 53:32

Speaking of fitting and building, let's give some love to the homie Doc Roden.

SPEAKER_07 53:39

Yeah, that was a fantastic post.

Joe 53:42

I was like, holy shit, so sick, dude. Shout out to Match, shout out golf new level. That was dope.

Matt 53:49

Yeah, that was a fantastic little post, and so happy he's getting some credit.

Joe 53:54

Absolutely legend, absolutely legend. Absolutely.

Matt 53:58

He's he helped me so much with fitting with building and learning.

Joe 54:02

Yeah, I mean, a lot of a lot of what I learned came from his his mouth, so first time I ever met him, he was like, Hey, start over, go get lessons.

Matt 54:14

That was so funny. I remember that. Yeah, that was a club champion.

Joe 54:18

I was like, what about the Richardson shafts? He's like, Nope, don't even do it. Shout out, shout out the doc, dude. Yeah, he's an awesome doc.

Matt 54:30

He's seen what Nunny did for my grandfather, try to encourage all that. Yes, absolutely. This is gonna be a game changer for me. What's nice, it didn't hurt after I was making those swings, so and it didn't hurt while I was swinging. Biggest the biggest thing. So go get you some new joints if you need it.

Joe 54:49

Okay, just get new joints. All right, guys. Uh start taking collagen now, guys.

Matt 54:54

Collagen peptides, go do it. I don't know. I started taking that, and then my knee went to shit, so it may have a reverse effect on me, Joe.

Joe 55:00

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SPEAKER_05 55:13

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Joe 55:20

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Matt 55:29

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Joe 55:34

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SPEAKER_05 55:38

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Matt 55:44

Where are all these codes coming in from? Oh, that's hilarious. Uh Dan, Jeremy. Uh, I joined you for nine holes out at Boulder Creek, uh, then left after that because it was starting to get warm. Uh, how'd the rest of the day go for you guys?

Wild Random Pairing Golf Stories

Jeremy 56:00

Yeah, it went great. And those two guys that we were paired with were definitely characters. Oh my gosh. You never know. Like when you're when you get paired with strangers, you never know what you're gonna get. It's kind of it's exciting, but it's also terrifying.

Joe 56:14

Wow, yeah. How many times has it been bad for you guys, though? When you got paired up with randoms, how many times has it been bad? Oh, I can count on one couple times, yeah.

Dan 56:28

Yeah, I would agree with that. A couple times, nothing, nothing too crazy or too often, or a bad starter, yeah.

Joe 56:35

Bad starters, uh fuck bad starters. What's his name?

Matt 56:38

Brandon Dylan.

Joe 56:40

Dylan, Dylan. Fuck that guy.

Dan 56:44

Dan was ready to just he was ready to throw down. That's for sure. I was gonna, I was gonna, I was gonna fight him for sure.

Matt 56:50

I'd like I've I've never been involved in a a fisticuffs with a starter before. This would be new. That dude was about to get punched.

Joe 56:59

Yeah, throw it in the chat. Have you ever been paired with how many times have you been paired with somebody booking a random tea time that you did not enjoy their company? Like, and it was bad. Yeah, tell us please, because it's literally only you know, you're always scared to book a tea time, right? Yeah, it like a single or a two. You're like, who am I gonna get paired up with?

Matt 57:23

And it's only two times you get paired with sticks and you get paired with hacks, but has there ever been a situation where you just like could not wait to get off the golf course because the first time was so fucking annoying?

Joe 57:36

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Matt 57:38

I think it happens.

Joe 57:39

It's that's only been like twice for me.

Matt 57:42

Anybody's got paired with me.

Joe 57:48

Uh they're like Davey's like, Hey, can you send me an Uber to this holiday inn or something? You know what I mean? Um, but no, I think uh for the most part, all good, all good. And I've met so many friends just by booking randoms, you know what I mean? There's the opportunities there.

Dan 58:09

Not too long ago, I want to say it was 21, maybe, maybe 22. I got a random day off and I booked a single, and I got paired with three guys that were here for a bachelor party. And the amount of cocaine that was passed around in that group was I was just like, holy drunk. Yeah, I literally thought like fucking DEA and shit was gonna be waiting for us in the parking lot. Like this one guy, like I'm not even joking, like he was driving his cart, and you could see like the coke dust flying out of his bag as he's like taken off the other fairway. You can see like a powder white, like, yeah, it was like his fucking cart was smoking. I was like, holy fuck. I mean, these guys had I'm I'm not even joking, it they had a fist, a good softball size of Coke in this bag, and they were going hard. Dan, you want to hit? You want a rail, Dan? You want one? Like, ah, it's like this big. I'm like, no, I'm good. I'm just trying to play some golf and get out of here. Wow, I'm not trying to be up for the next four days.

Joe 59:09

My my worst one was is this dude. I played with this dude, and he's like yelling and screaming the entire round. It's like, fuck this, blah, blah, blah. You're better than this. Fuck you. Fuck me. At the end of the round, he's like, Hey, come over to my trunk. I'm like, All right, I'll guess I'll go over to your trunk. He's like, Here's a brand new uh dozen of golf balls. I really appreciated playing with you, and I'm like, Yeah, he rewarded you. Thanks for hanging in there with me.

Jeremy 59:43

Hey, that's self-awareness, though. That's respectable.

Dan 59:46

Yeah, right. You know what happened?

Matt 59:48

Here's a after the after the round, he was on the phone with this therapist and he's like, Have you gifted any golf balls to the people you played with yet? Oh shit, you're right. Hang on.

Joe 59:56

Give out sleeves, give out sleeves. Don't make sure that they're into an entry for a give you or anything like that. Just make sure, just make sure you bless the peeps. Bless the peeps that stuck with you.

Matt 1:00:06

I'm sorry you played golf with me today. Here's a dozen golf balls.

Joe 1:00:09

Were they good golf balls? Uh they were vice pro plus something. 30 bucks, right?

Dan 1:00:18

You sold them at whatnot, huh?

Joe 1:00:20

I did not. That was a long time ago. That was years ago, years and years ago. I probably played them at Wild Horse and lost them.

Dan 1:00:32

Yeah, I love hearing this. Oh man, golf's the best. I got some great golf stories from caddy. Oh, you got some good ones, all those Playboy tournaments and stuff that we used to get caddy for.

Joe 1:00:44

Fuck. We should just do we should we need to do like a Dan Hodges like caddy story show and get tradition. You guys just go and talk.

Dan 1:00:55

Dead guy in the Hummer, Dead Guy in the Hummer, me taking a guy's ear off. That was yeah, um, the aqua in a bottle disappearing, girl making a disappearing

Live Giveaway Winner Pulled

Dan 1:01:05

act trick, oh yeah, all kinds of stuff. Oh, yeah.

Matt 1:01:08

All right, we got uh let's see, we got 219 entries into the Givey. Joe, you want to pull it so we know what we're giving away, or you want to uh it's gonna be out of the bag.

Joe 1:01:17

It's there's there's um so guys, if you have not commented and you want to get in on the giveaway, comment now, tag your homies, tag your friends. All right, we only do this shit live. So if you want in for the giveaway, shout out Garson, as always. Um, if anybody left, make sure they're here. Uh, we got a towel, we got a we got four different Garson grips. No, we got five different Garson grips, six different Garson grips. I'm not gonna pick for you, okay? I'm just gonna I'm gonna pull a random joint out of the bag. Make sure you guys are sharing the show, liking and sus liking and subscribing. Liking and subscribing, liking and subscribing. Uh we're here every Tuesday night. So if you guys are ready, you tell us when. You guys ready? Ready? Double using the chat. And you gotta be present. You gotta be present.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:25

There's your fucking grip, Bush. There's your grip, motherfucker. There's your grip, but rigged, rigged, rigged, is he here?

Joe 1:02:34

He's still here, right? He's out of here. So rigged.

Jeremy 1:02:38

We called through all the UPS hate.

Dan 1:02:42

He'll got slow rolls. All right, I'm gonna go. Yeah, you should fedx, you should FedEx it to him instead. I'm gonna put it on a DHL. Get him something really, really fucked up.

Joe 1:02:54

I'm gonna I'm I'm twisting him, Bush. Now I don't want to hear shit about your grip. All right, I'm I'm twisting him. I'm not even looking. Damn, it's the one he asked for. Oh, it's the one that he wanted originally. This is a banger, banger grip. Shout out, Garson. As always, quatuur, smooth boy, leather, trapezoidal joint.

Dan 1:03:21

Well the best criteria. There you go.

Joe 1:03:25

This is my favorite, and this is Bush. I because I said it was my favorite, and he keeps saying, like, oh, I want that one. There you go, Bush. There you go. Stop talking shit. Shout out Garson, shout out Garson. Shout out Garson. Go get the ball. I'm gonna cut it. I'm gonna cut it in half first, though.

Seinfeld Nostalgia And Food Takes

Matt 1:03:45

Split crip. Check this out. Came in the mail today. Oh came in the mail today. Everybody knows Seinfeld.

Joe 1:03:55

Rose and Fire next week, too.

Matt 1:03:57

This is amazing quality, arguably one of the best made head covers I've ever seen. It's got Rosenfire. Yeah, it's got the the ballistic patches inside for the magnets. It's very you can see how thick it is. I mean, it's that's it's beautiful. She's thick, that's a thick ass man. Yeah, so I absolutely love this cover. Quality. I mean, yeah, the quality is just insane.

Joe 1:04:24

What's your favorite uh Seinfeld episode?

SPEAKER_07 1:04:28

Oh my god. That's from Seinfeld. Yeah, that's from Seinfeld.

Joe 1:04:32

Yeah.

Matt 1:04:33

Uh I don't know. I just because just because uh me being a baseball fan, the the spit, the Roger McDowell spit game. That was a great one, yeah. There's so many. Back into the right.

Joe 1:04:52

Uh so many, man.

Matt 1:04:54

There's so many. That is on now that it's because it's on Netflix. So now, because we used to fall asleep to everybody loves Raymond, but you know, I've been watching Everybody Loves Raymond in bed for 15 years now. Great show, don't get me wrong, great show. But now it's since it's on Netflix, we just put hit play, no commercials, it's amazing. Absolutely amazing.

Joe 1:05:14

So just from recent memory for me is the the Kenny Rogers roasters. Oh, my mom's calling me. Uh-oh. Uh little hang up on mom. Nope.

Dan 1:05:28

You're late for dinner, Joe. Mom's calling me.

Joe 1:05:31

Can you guys hear the ring too? Or is that just me? No. Okay. Um, just because recent memory, I'll say the Kenny Rogers Roasters episode. The Red Neon, because when I was a kid and uh coincidentally, my mom is calling me. We used to eat Kenny Roger Roasters at least four times a week. Holy moly. But there's so many moments, man.

Matt 1:06:01

You know where that uh Joe, do you remember the Green Valley driving range? Are you old enough or Green Valley?

Joe 1:06:08

No, I I we didn't we didn't drive that far down, but I do remember the the Tropicana driving range on Paradise.

Matt 1:06:14

I do remember so they're on Stephanie and Warm Springs, where that Circle K is.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:22

Yeah.

Matt 1:06:22

Um, those all those apartments behind that Circle K that used to be uh outdoor driving range, and it was open 24 hours. It was the Green Valley driving range, and there was nothing out there. This is before Sunset Station was even built. Um, there was nothing out there. That was like the end of the road out there. Uh, there's that in the DMV, and that was it. And uh but that the end of it, those where that uh Salvation Army is, and there's a Steinway music that used to be Kenny Rogers Roasters, so we would go to the driving range and then go to Kenny Rogers.

Joe 1:06:54

Dude, those corn muffins were fire. Dude, I never tell me those corn muffins. No, you didn't. You have to go to Asia nowadays. Yeah, yeah. I just watched a mini documentary like earlier today about Kenny Rogers roasters. And Dan, you would know. I would know, yeah.

Dan 1:07:11

Any documentary, I I know, yeah.

Joe 1:07:15

Kenny Roger fans. Yeah, they're big chicken fans, is what they are. Big chicken guys, big chicken guys, these cgs.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:30

Oh man. You guys remember Boston Market? Yeah, yeah.

Matt 1:07:37

That was upscale. Yeah, kind of. I remember the first time I went into one of those, I was like, look at all this.

Joe 1:07:43

That's that was the OG, like Panera OG, like how clean this restaurant is.

Matt 1:07:50

So it's square and tall.

Joe 1:07:52

I remember they had uh they had a story about them where it was like they had they served like green something, they served something green, and then that killed it. The Boston market was killed it. Yeah, done. Jack in the box survived box survived equality. Jack in the box survived, yeah. I remember that I would not eat Jack in the Box. Oh, nobody I was in high school and Jack in the Box hit when you're tossed. I still recommend you stay away from Jack in the Box. Jack in the Box is one of the best fast food chains there will ever be. Oh, all right, variety, variety, variety. I don't eat fast food a lot, but if I'm gonna go somewhere, it's Jack in the Box. Seriously? Over over the the bean and cheese? Wow, that's a hot take. If I'm gonna go fast food, if fast food, fast food, I don't consider Fastos or Dante Taco or Roberto's.

Matt 1:08:50

You don't consider that fast food? They're pretty fast.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:53

They're pretty fast, they're fast, yeah. They're fast. Okay, okay, hang on. If you get out of your car though, hang on a second.

Matt 1:08:58

I we're gonna continue this in the after show because I want to know what everybody's go-to fast food is because I don't. I want to know that we're gonna talk about Joe's trip to SoCal uh coming up, but we didn't get to that, but let Joe wrap this up.

Dan 1:09:12

Thank you, Austin.

Matt 1:09:14

I want to thank everybody. What did he say?

Dan 1:09:16

He I live in the middle of nowhere, and even I'm embarrassed with Joe on this topic.

Joe 1:09:22

Damn, damn McDonald. So he gets every payment fails in your next show, bro.

Dan 1:09:30

Joe likes Joe likes 7-Eleven egg salad, too.

Joe 1:09:33

Yeah, that is the wa woo on it. No, they got the cupie mayo nowadays

Thanks For Watching And Closing

Joe 1:09:40

joints and they're so uh thank you, sir.

Matt 1:09:43

Thank you, sir. Joe, wrap this up. Let's get some after show going. And uh, if you have not subscribed yet to the after show, what are you even doing? What are you even doing? We don't do them all the time, but when we do do them, they're they're a lot of fun. Oh doing them. Oh, damn.

Joe 1:09:59

Oh guys, thank you so much for tuning in, Chasing Daylight Podcast. We are here every single Tuesday night at 7 p.m. Pacific Standard Time. This was episode 370, believe it or not. Uh, these are my brothers, these are the homies, these are all of y'all. We have so many experiences through the game. Shout out, golf. It's it's it's helped me meet so many people and uh appreciate you guys. Uh, tune in next week. If it's your first time listening, go back into the archives and listen. A lot of a lot of shit's happened. This is 370. We started at one, so that's 370 episodes you can go listen to on your next golf trip when you're driving through the middle of fucking nowhere, Nebraska. Appreciate all you guys. Until next week, we will catch you later.