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When Did You Die? Temple Hayes on Reclaiming Your Spiritual Power

• Douglas James Cottrell PhD • Season 1 • Episode 83

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What happens when your entire life is built on programming that silences your authentic self? For Temple Hayes, it meant abandoning who she truly was for fifteen years before a dramatic spiritual intervention changed everything.

Temple's story begins in the suffocating atmosphere of the Deep South Bible Belt, where maintaining appearances trumped authentic living. At just five years old, she received a powerful message that she "came here for a reason" – a spiritual anchor that would eventually guide her through unimaginable trauma. Her mother underwent barbaric shock treatments that essentially erased her memory, while Temple faced rejection, shame and addiction as she struggled to find her place in a world that seemed determined to silence her.

The turning point came through a profound spiritual awakening where she heard the clear message: "If you want to live, don't ever drink again." This moment began Temple's remarkable transformation from addiction to spiritual leadership, a journey now spanning 36 years of sobriety and service. Through her powerful teachings, including her breakthrough book "When Did You Die?", Temple illuminates how we all slowly die when we surrender our inner wisdom to external authorities and societal expectations.

"You are not broken. You never have been broken," Temple asserts with the conviction of someone who has walked through the fire of self-reclamation. Her journey through shamanic training and spiritual exploration led to the life-changing realization that divine love is never conditional – we are, as she beautifully states, "the faculty of love" itself. This understanding transformed how she navigated both personal challenges and her global humanitarian work through her non-profit, Global Peace Workers.

Temple's revolutionary message is simple yet profound: true power comes from reclaiming your own voice and trusting your intuition above all outside programming. The "wake-up revolution" she advocates isn't about changing the world but remembering who you truly are. Are you ready to stop dying incrementally and start fully living? Temple Hayes shows us exactly how to begin.

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Welcome to Wake Up with Dr Douglas James Cottrell, your source for helpful information, advice and tips to live your life in a mindful way in this increasingly chaotic world. For over four decades, Dr Douglas has been teaching people how to develop their intuition and live their lives in a conscious way. His news and views of the world tomorrow, today, are always informative and revealing. To learn more about Dr Douglas, be sure to visit his website, douglasjamescottrell. com, where you can download self-help exercises you can do right in the comfort of your own home. And now here's your host, Dr Douglas James Cottrell.

Douglas James Cottrell:

Welcome to the program today. My special guest today is an amazing woman who has gone through many, many ups and downs in her life. As a person, who is a true survivor and somebody who has gained a lot of wisdom in her life. You are going to be fascinated by this lady's story. It's absolutely amazing. Temple Hayes is my guest today. She has written an amazing book called when Did you Die, and I can't wait to find out more about what that title means and more about her book. It's a pleasure to have you.

Temple Hayes:

Thank you, Douglas. It's my pleasure to be here. Thank you for having me.

Douglas James Cottrell:

There is a lot to find out about you. You're a woman who is multifaceted. You've had a lot of experiences in your life. Like most of us on the path, we've had difficulty, long suffering, and somewhere along the way we have this wake-up call that puts us into a position of wanting to be of service, to help the world, change the world. So tell us a little bit about your background, because it's a story that needs to be told. What happened to you when you were a child? You had a lot of tragedy and difficulty. Who is Tim?

Temple Hayes:

Well, I think one of the dichotomies for me was that at five years old, I was outdoors. I remember it like yesterday. I was climbing a tree like a child would do, and I got the message that I came here for a reason. It was very significant. I felt it very strongly throughout my being in whatever five-year, eight-year-old language that would be. So then, where I live inside the house, the physical house was extremely dysfunctional in that my mother was being accused of having an affair. They took her away from the home and they did those barbaric shock treatments.

Douglas James Cottrell:

Oh, my God.

Temple Hayes:

Right and and my mother returned weeks later to myself and my younger brother and her pretty much her memory was. She didn't have much recall at all and she went on to take doctor prescribed drugs for about 45 years after that, if not longer. Oh, my God.

Temple Hayes:

I remember going to the doctor there in this small town and saying, look, I'm a, I'm a recovered alcoholic, my mother's a drug addict and he said he's very Southern. He went honey, why would you say that? I said, well, I think 38 years would be my first clue. What about you? 38 years would be my first clue. What about you?

Temple Hayes:

So anyway, in that space of that Douglas, environment, culture, innate, whatever I was more drawn to women for, probably, safety, felt, heard or whatever. And so my first relationship was with a girl that was 17 and I was 13. And so, that being said, my father walked in on us. We were, we were just being intimate and too close for his own measure. And my family here, we all go in the car and we go to the mental health clinic. Well, where I went in my mind is that I was very quiet about anything. With me I would get a trophy, then I'd drink a lot, and I remember, after the family found out, the looking good family, because the Hayes' were about looking good. And I remember the day walking in for a Thanksgiving dinner and everybody looked at me different.

Douglas James Cottrell:

Oh gosh.

Temple Hayes:

Nobody looks at me the same way. So I, from that day, abandoned myself and turned on myself for about 15 years and turned on myself for about 15 years.

Douglas James Cottrell:

Well, you know as somebody, as a counselor, and what I do. For 50-odd years now, your family was in the deep south. We should establish that Bible Belt, Everybody worrying about what everybody else is thinking. Meanwhile, your father was abusive. Your mother was mentally assassinated. Those shock treatments robbed her of her mind, her life and I'm sure, as a young little girl looking on at this tragedy, and I read in your bio that your pets were destroyed and run over and your grandfather ran you over with a vehicle and it's a wonder you made it to 13.

Douglas James Cottrell:

Okay, it's a wonder.

Douglas James Cottrell:

And then of course, I say you know it's some sort of way you're looking for love. And somebody came into your life, a little older girl or young lady, and it was natural, as far as I could see, you are in a cocoon of fear all of your life, your young life, I mean. Most people would have done worse things than they would have not wanted to continue in their life and they would have become a statistic, but you survived somehow. So in reading your bio and reading and seeing it today, there are a lot of people we have an international audience, a lot of people around the world who have hardship and difficulties. What was that spiritual quality or what was that? You had that knowledge that you came into the world for a special place. I would interject you parachuted into this family.

Douglas James Cottrell:

you had nothing in common with them and I see that as one of the key things temple interesting name you have, by the way that that when you perish into a family, you became a way shower for the family. You had to arrive here in these circumstances to do what you had to do, and this seems to be a common thing that when somebody comes into a family you don't fit in. There's a wisdom as a child that you know this. But where is that point? How did you console yourself when you're crying yourself to sleep? How did you watch out for the boogeyman that was always watching you and gazing at you and then the family rejecting you? You know the old saying a prophet is never honored by their own family and in their own country, and I kind of think that fits with what you do now. But how did you do that?

Temple Hayes:

Well, at the time, I could not ever forget that what I was told when I was five so no matter what was going on, in the darkest of times and the craziest of times, I kept remembering that I was here for a reason and even though I would be carted off every week to the Southern Baptist Church and hearing how unworthy I was along with everybody else and we're going to hell, and all that programming that constant programming, I felt something different and though I didn't talk about it, I you know and I saw what that level of religiosity would do, because I did talk to my grandmother, who was a matriarch in the family, of course, and in the Baptist church, and my grandfather, john Temple, to this day has a building named after him.

Temple Hayes:

I did attempt to tell them and she told me what I saw isn't what I saw. So it's kind of like, well, what would fit best with that conversation? Oh, alcohol, what I saw isn't what I saw. And then I would try to tell the police officer that, when he had pulled me over, like my grandmother said, what you saw isn't what you saw.

Douglas James Cottrell:

We haven't got to that part yet, but you did have, shall we say, a little overindulgence in alcohol and you were driving your car occasionally while you were happy and you had the opportunity to meet all these wonderful police officers along the way.

Temple Hayes:

Oh my gosh.

Douglas James Cottrell:

You survived, though right you survived.

Temple Hayes:

Totally, totally, and I'm happy to say that those around me did. But you know, the first time I was pulled over by a police officer Did he put handcuffs on you.

Temple Hayes:

Yeah, but he wasn't initially. You know now, if they had stopped me, as I was then I mean, they wouldn't even talk to you, They'd just cart you to the jailhouse. But this was before we got into Mothers Against Drinking, which is so necessary, or driving under the influence. We didn't really have much of that going on then. But when he pulled me over, all he was wanting to do was tell me that my lights weren't on, Metaphysically right. Your lights aren't on, ma'am. You don't have your lights on, You're not living your light. I mean, that was the point of the story, the deeper part. But I went what do you mean? What you see isn't what you see. And I argued with him. So then I got to be cuffed and carted to the jailhouse. I was arrested twice. I tell people I'm the one that gave the idea of the off-road terrain vehicles. I just don't get commissions for it.

Douglas James Cottrell:

Well, listen, you know again, those are pretty scary things, they are.

Temple Hayes:

Well, listen, you know again, those are pretty scary things.

Douglas James Cottrell:

They are. And so what? How did you pull yourself up by your bootstrap, so to speak, and get to be the person you are today? You're a leader, a counselor, you're a sought after speaker, you have books. How did you get from that dark space and I think that was an angel that spoke to you from my world. When you were a child, you had that angel talk to you, give you those words that were indelible and stayed in your head all of your life, sort of like the life preserver that stopped you from drowning.

Temple Hayes:

Absolutely, and so I had a spiritual awakening. I had relocated from South Carolina to Fort Lauderdale, Florida, to study ministry. And I had a spiritual awakening and in the middle of the night I awoke to the room was shaking and it felt like Della Reese was coming in from, touched by an Angel. I mean it was very measurable. And the voice said if you want to live, don't ever drink again. Wow.

Temple Hayes:

And that was the story. So the next day when I would go to the grocery store and in my particular store it was aisle 13. I didn't go by there and every day after that I didn't go by there. And I haven't gone by there since, meaning I didn't buy purchase. Certainly I've gone by there but I haven't had anything to drink. As a matter of fact, it's like in six days, I think five days it's been 36 years for me to be in my second birth phase of life and I just never looked back.

Temple Hayes:

It was just a pivotal moment of my life. So we would say I woke up, I birthed again to who I was born to be. I knew the first time I took a drink and I became sick. I knew the first time I smoked a cigarette I had full blown throat problems. I mean those were signs to say don't go there. But I was a rebel and determined and kept trying to do it for many, many years and I did the best I could with it. You know now I laugh at it, meaning you know like people will talk about how can anybody commit suicide? I used to be one of those self-righteous people. How could anybody do that? But I was committing a slow one, you know. So you learn that there's one time you're being born but there's many times in your lifetime when you're being created and so problems in the family, issues around animals being judged for sexuality, being judged for sexuality, being judged by religiosity you know all those things created and imprinted along the way, the work I would spend the rest of my life doing.

Douglas James Cottrell:

Well, in your book, when Did you Die, I think you talk about incrementally, slice by slice. Talk about incrementally slice by slice. People are dying and they don't even know it.

Temple Hayes:

And your book enlightens them on that. Tell us about that. Well, you know, in our, in our society, commercialization, pharmaceutical, we are from day one, we're programmed. You know there's a, there's a tribe outside of Phoenix that they don't teach their children the word. Why? It's not even a word. It's not a word. I heard the guy personally speak to a class I was in. They don't teach the word why? Because they say it's used as victim, victimhood. Why is this happening to me? Or why, instead of being in the space of knowing or whatever the experience is? And when you think about it in our society, you know, and we're little and we, we ask for milk and we ask for food and we ask and we ask for survival things. And then we get a little able to articulate and we ask for things and we're told no and we say why? My parents say cause I told you so you're going to that church. Because I told you so I don't go, but you're going you go ask the teacher why do I have to do it like that?

Temple Hayes:

I don't think two plus two equals four, because I told you so. Then you go. If you're in a small town and you're into religiosity, I'm the preacher and I told you so. My mother introduced me to her home church pastor as a minister, and he said women aren't ministers. And my mom said, well, she is. And he said, well, they can't be because I told you so. And then people go the doctor. I have a sniff, I have a thing, because I'm telling you. So this is your story. I know better than you.

Temple Hayes:

So we, the voice of others becomes louder than the voice that we were born with, our inner voice, and so I learned over and over again to go further and deeper and hear the louder voice which was mine, my own intuition, and to follow that journey and follow that space.

Temple Hayes:

I didn't say it was easy, but it was easier than being so programmed to be robotic, like so many people that I know.

Temple Hayes:

And when people become that, they do start dying every day.

Temple Hayes:

And by dying I'm not addressing physical death, I'm addressing energetic death, I'm addressing the life force that is so powerful that we all have, and we are told that by a certain year of our life, that we're going to be, you know, things are going to hurt and ache and we're just going to be tired and by the time we're dead. It's just really time to move on anyway, because we've been dead a long time and that is not in my mind and the way that it is destined to work. When you go through a hardship, if you really go through it and this is the expertise of your work, douglas, you know this when you really go through the shadow of your own work, you wind up having more energy than you had to start with and that is natural. So, like so many mystery schools, like so many master teachers have been on the planet to tell us it's not that your life doesn't work, it's that you haven't learned to work with life. When you learn to work with the natural laws of life, you are thriving and totally alive alive.

Douglas James Cottrell:

Well, it's better to be that way than to endure a life of emotional what can we call purgatory?

Douglas James Cottrell:

and to be a little bit of a rabble rouser, a tenacious little child saying wait a minute, this is not right. It's somewhere innately in you, in your soul, you knew that there was something more and you endured the hardship. You know the way to uh the heavens above, the way to enlightenment, uh, the way to come closer to god, almighty. The words long suffering are always like, attached either in brackets, hyphenated. It's always there as a suffix of some sort. And hearing you, uh, listening to your story, which is a fascinating story, people should buy your book. When did you die? And also, you have another uh book, or two out uh being, uh, what's it being?

Temple Hayes:

being a difference maker, yes being a difference maker.

Douglas James Cottrell:

I like the title. I can't read my notes.

Temple Hayes:

I scribble when I what's quite all right, they can go to my website.

Douglas James Cottrell:

It's easy enough my name is yeah, what is?

Temple Hayes:

it temple, hayes, h-a-y-e-s, templehayescom, and everything is is on there well, you have a very good website.

Douglas James Cottrell:

You have a lot of information on there, a lot about who you are, your stories there, uh, and, by the way, I want to compliment you, temple. You're very brave to put down all the things that happened to you. You, you're right out there, you're transparent. This is the truth. This is what happened to me.

Douglas James Cottrell:

Other people with an ego or so might have, you know, dumbed it down a little bit, but you're there, right there, telling the truth, and I'm sure that's got to encourage anybody who is lost, who is in a circumstance, a child, somebody who is going through similar things right now, and people who have gone through it they must be angry or they must be depressed or they must have some emotional illness that when they find out about you and what you did, how you managed and how you became the success you are, that that will encourage them, it will take them out of their darkness and put them into some light. We're going to take a short break. We'll be right back after this with more from this amazing woman who is going to tell you her wonderful story, and you can find more about her on our website, templehayscom. We'll be right back after this.

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Douglas James Cottrell:

So, as we were talking before the break about your story and how forthright and truthful you have been, tell us how you made that leap to become the success you are. How did you? Incrementally, because it doesn't happen overnight, as we all know. It takes hard work.

Temple Hayes:

You know, when I look at the entirety of my life, it's more about paying attention to what knocks on my door three times, and I have always, no matter what I feel. I've always been a metaphysical person, in other words, seeing beyond just the physical reality around me, and so paying attention, you know, to certain things or people I would be introduced to along the way. So if I, for example, over a course of a few months, heard somebody talk about a good therapist, I would say I need that number, I need to go there, that's what I need to do. So that, I think, is a key point that you made. Is that the fact of we develop ourselves by the willingness to do the work. I mean, we might be employed by many people throughout our lifetimes, but how many times do we employ ourselves? We are the most important right. And how we cope, how we handle things.

Temple Hayes:

And if the intention and the outcome is, when I walk through this, my father dying, losing a loved one, the dog dying by an accident or whatever it is, having people steal from me, whatever it is, if that's our intention is over here and that's the outcome, is that I am going to be thriving, I'm going to believe in people again. I'm going to believe in life again as it is designed to be life the more you love, the harder you hurt. All those things we're not going to replace being a human being, but if that's where my end place is, as Stephen Covey would say, keeping the end in mind, then I'm doing the work. And I want to do the work because I do want to live. I want to live to be 150. I want to break all these silly, pathetic stories we tell ourselves about aging. We definitely age, but we don't have to grow old. So you create within your own being I created within my own being anchors that I go back to on a cloudy day To me, long-term suffering. When somebody talks about long-term suffering and I'm not talking about physical diseases and those kinds of things, I'm talking about the psychology of our essence, our mentalizing, our adrenals, our system that blocks our solar plexus of passion, it's because we haven't done the work.

Temple Hayes:

You know, if you just tote this was painful, that was painful, oh, that was painful, oh, that was painful. This was painful, that was painful, oh, that was painful, oh, that was painful and you numb because you don't want to feel it or you deny your ability to do the work and go into the dark and to the deep and to the tears many a time. I mean, I just did that, douglas, about a month ago. I just took a time out. You know, as kids we understood, let's take a time out. I just took a time out. You know, as kids we understood, let's take a time out. I just took a time out.

Temple Hayes:

My mother had died, somewhat unexpectedly in January and I just kept toting all this sadness and I had let go of a lot of relationships because I had relocated across the entire United States Not a small move and I just had some layers of grief that I had to deal with and so I just said not available. Phone is off. See you later I'll be back. But I really had to do that and we need to do those things and not because avoidance makes it bigger and then we attract other situations. It's like Velcro, it's like so. Then we have other situations and the next thing, you know, we're attacking the person in the highway just because they blew the horn to say hello. What do you know? You know it's there and we want to address it. That's a good point. What do you know? You know it's there and we want to address it.

Douglas James Cottrell:

That's a good point. People have been hurt previously and so they, if I could say, they project what's going on in the moment of what happened to them in the past, and so that anger and frustration, whatever is boiling up, I think it's going across the entire country. Whatever is boiling up, I think it's going across the entire country. People are so angry that Dalai Lama and other spiritual leaders some time ago had a conference on why are people so angry? And it's a question that I think everybody should ask and then the reverse is trying to find out. Well, if I'm angry, what is causing me to be angry and why am I projecting this on somebody else? Perhaps whatever, based on all that tragedy that you that happened in in a dysfunctional family, with all the difficulties that you you've recounted, but you didn't, you know.

Temple Hayes:

I I refuse to. I I refuse to blame um repeatedly, uh people, because when I blame a little bumper sticker, when I blame, I do not claim, I teach people. You know, if you're still blaming your parents after 30 years and you're 30 years old no fair, no, fair, move on.

Temple Hayes:

But one of the things you're talking about, of why, in current culture, people are so angry, is because they surrendered to being told what to do. They surrendered to politicians telling them what to think and what to do, and it's not natural, you know. We can say it's OK, now. People can use profanity. People can do this. People can hate. People can not like another party. People can do this. People can do that. It doesn't matter that how it's promoted in our society. It's, it's not correct, it's incorrect information and people surrender to it. And if they hadn't already surrendered to it, they surrendered to it during the COVID era of tell me what to do, tell me how fast, tell me where I need to go, tell me what lot of individuation was lost during that time. Even some great leaders and orators and teachers and authors and and and podcasters and all that joined. Oh, this is the way it works. You just tell people what to do and they go do it. But we're not here to create that level in our humanity. We're here to teach people. The only answer that you'll ever have is the answer that your voice tells you what to do. No one else you know if you go along with someone else because their voice is telling you what to do and it feels right and your voice agrees. That's different. Telling you what to do and it feels right and your voice agrees, that's different. That's why your show is so valuable, because you're teaching people how to think. But if you're doing it because you turn in to TV or your iPhone and it tells you, you know, with half the population on the planet now having a phone, even in impoverished countries they have phones and they're being told what to do we must have a revolution. We must have people realizing I got to stop being told what to do unless it innately fits for me.

Temple Hayes:

And that was the defining moment in my life. Is that coming out of the closet of my own understanding of not needing to be liked by others? People will say to me I had somebody asked me two days ago. You know, temple, in my work and in the film industry I've had people take things away from me. I've had people steal from me, I've had people rob from me and I don't know how you do it. You know, I've seen your book.

Temple Hayes:

I don't know how you always show up like ready, willing and open and an open heart. How can you do it? And I said it's very simple. I am unwilling to hurt, abandon or rob myself. Somebody else may have done it, somebody else may have done it, somebody else may have said it, it might have happened, but I will not ever betray myself. I did that one time for a very long time, and I will not give into that ever again. I was created by the divine and that's where I'm sticking with that story and I approve this message because I'm not going to do to myself what others may have perceived that they got to do, and especially in public life. You know you have people making up stories about you all the time, so I won't surrender to that because I know my story.

Douglas James Cottrell:

Well said, you can't control your reputation because other people assassin it, but you can control your character and everybody should really pay attention. Come back and listen to this podcast again, over and over, because the words you're using are easy, they're understandable and you're being very honest and straightforward, but you're giving people those nuggets that they can apply easily. The one thing is tenacity. As you said, I'm not gonna let other people harm me. I'm not gonna let people take my peace or my who. You are away from you. They cannot actually. I think you used the word surrender. Before People surrender, they give up, and to me, that's the greatest crime. Wake up, you know. Wake up.

Temple Hayes:

Wake up, that's right, wake up.

Douglas James Cottrell:

When you had that. Let's start a revolution. Okay, it's the wake up revolution here.

Temple Hayes:

Let's go, douglas, let's sign up. I'll meet you at the curb.

Douglas James Cottrell:

We'll have the limo pulled up with everybody else. There we go.

Temple Hayes:

Yeah, there you go, there you go.

Douglas James Cottrell:

I think that showbiz talk right, I'll send the car, you know.

Temple Hayes:

You know, I, I I have had the pleasure of training many a person to be either a prayer partner, spiritual leader, teacher, and go out in the field, and I have a nonprofit 501C3, called Global Peace Workers. All this is on the website, but right now I'm having so much joy and fun because we are putting goats and chickens into a tribe outside of Nairobi where they were fading away. As the leader told me there that had contacted me, they were giving up on anything or anyone listening or hearing their prayers. So, that being said, in my working with people to train them as a difference maker in that space, many of them have said well, I'll join you Temple when I don't have any problems. And I always say well, see you in the afterlife. See you in the afterlife, because if you wait till you don't have any problems, life is problematic.

Temple Hayes:

The secret of life is not having problems. The secret of life is how you walk in them, with them, through them and on the other side of them, and then you use the word compassion, which is come, pass it on. So my story, my sacred story, through the events and through the things in my life, I recognize the people that are like me, that have had religiosity dupe on them. I can see somebody drinking a mile away. I don't have gaydar, I never have had that but I can really see people and understand the depth of what it's like to feel that you were not created in this holy way. But one of the points I want to make, douglas, in the evolution of my life story, my narrative, as they say now, is that in the beginning, at five, I was told I was whole and I was holy right, shamanic people live in that holy infinity. That's how they see the energy of healing et cetera. But I went through this journey of being broken. Well, you know, temple, she's broken. You know she's shady, you know she's broken. My teacher said I was never going to amount to anything because I talk too much. She's shady, she's too much, she's too this, she's too that.

Temple Hayes:

There came a time and this is important for people to anchor in you are not broken. You never have been broken. So when we address, instead of what's wrong with us, what's right with us, we build upon that and that is life altering. When you can do that. It's like the young man said to me don't you find it hard being sober, especially now? And I said young man, you want me to tell you what hard is. Hard is when I don't remember where my car is. Hard is I can't tell the officer my name. Hard is they don't know where to find me. I'm trying to reach them but my car is on the side of the road, maybe like 11, 12 times Hard is calling somebody and being pretentious because I don't remember the night before. That's hard. Not drinking it's a walk in the park.

Temple Hayes:

I don't like apologizing for myself. I don't mind apologizing for wrongdoing, but I don't like apologizing for being me and the 15 years that I drank, I apologize for being me a lot.

Douglas James Cottrell:

You know what I mean. Well, you know, throughout life you come to these wisdoms of life. You've answered life and remember, you have knowledge, then you have experience and together that makes wisdom. So the knowledge you had, the experience you've had, you become wise about how not to leave your car in a ditch and how not to talk to policemen when you don't want to, et cetera, et cetera. But the whole idea is that that's the truth, that's your way, that's how you got to be who you are and that's why you're a great teacher. You cannot not be a good teacher without having such life-changing, altering circumstances.

Douglas James Cottrell:

In my opinion, and I guess you agree that if you go through these experiences and you do not give up on yourself or life but you keep going, you'll find your way to that forest. You'll leave that darkness behind, because you didn't cause this. This was imposed upon a little girl. That was my understanding of evil means the absence of love. So this absence of love was imposed upon you. Your poor mother suffered, probably more than you or anybody else knows, because she was looking out for you and trying to be the standard whatever that was trying to fit in the community. So when I see this imposition on people, this is evil, the absence of love.

Douglas James Cottrell:

In my opinion and I've had difficulties in my life the same and many of the people I've interviewed have had the same sorts of circumstances in their life that you're recounting.

Douglas James Cottrell:

But there's something inside of you that's courageous. There's a warrior, there's a little girl in there saying this is not right. And then you've had messages from angels or the divine. You had this enormous room full of energy, a blessing, some sort of communication with the divine, and as you explored your metaphysical, intuitive abilities, I guess you've had dreams. You've had visitations from, I suspect, higher, more evolved beings, and probably you've been a little aware of the future, your future and where the world needs to go. I suspect that very strongly to encourage you to go where you are going. So, along the way of difficulty, tell me if you agree when you start to feel lonely and isolated and unloved, you contact that divine love inside. It doesn't take your problems away, as you've said. It just gives you the hope to look for the opportunities. And I'm sure there's people who come along in your life at certain times that have lifted you out of some circumstance or given you some word or have supported you somehow.

Temple Hayes:

Absolutely, and you know, in reference to one of your statements earlier, I I absolutely agree with everything you're saying and I heard some.

Temple Hayes:

I heard some sound bites in there myself like, oh, want to write that one down, go ahead that. That being said, um, I was fortunate I'll do this as quick a bullet point as I can do it but at 38 years old, so I was coming up on almost 11 years sobriety, and I had been in therapy and leading churches and those kind of things and moving along pretty good. I was externally pretty polished, you know, I had the language, I had the S, you know the training. And yet inside, what I realized, douglas, is there was a hole. And I started becoming aware, listening, inner listening, that I had a hole, like. I felt like I was dying, not physical dying, but dying. And so I called fourth great spirit and said show me the way.

Temple Hayes:

So the quick of the story is I went to help a woman whose husband had dropped dead at 42. And it had been a few weeks after he had died. And I went to ask her if there's anything I could do and I said this is odd, you don't, you're not gray, you know. The absence of life hasn't bestowed itself upon you. What's your secret, you know? And she said well, I saw a shaman, I saw a healer. And the moment she said that I went, that's in my future, but the me I would have always been before. Give me the number, give me the name. I'm doing it, I'm taking care of it, I'm making it happen, you know. But I went if this is right, I'll know fast track.

Temple Hayes:

A few months, somebody came as a guest speaker to a community I had. They were a shaman. They they were trained. I called her up on the way to her house. I got the message she's to be your teacher. On the way over, she got the message she's the reason that you moved from canada. This is your protege. I studied with her for 10 years. That being said, I was trained and told how to think and what to be like so many people in our society, and I was taught. You know, good things are happening to you. God, god loves you. Good things aren't happening to you while you're done. You know love you, love you not. Oh, didn't love me today and don't love me tomorrow.

Temple Hayes:

I went on a journey. I went on a spiritual journey and I asked what do I need to know about my life? What do I need to know about my connection with the divine? And in this visual. I was taken up on a hill. They had branding iron, like that of cattle. I don't like that either, but that's what they do and they had the branding iron. And in this visual Douglas, they took the palm palms of my hand and they branded a heart and the message was you are always loved. Being loved is never on the table. You are always loved. Fast track.

Temple Hayes:

Almost 14 years later, I'm in Peru, I'm in a shaman store and I have a walking stick. That's a hand. It. There's a heart in the palm of this wood piece that I just had to have because that was the external part of my life experience. So, whatever, however anyone holds that, it's that, regardless of what is happening, I am the faculty of love. It doesn't mean I love sometimes what is happening. I didn't say that I'm not cuckoo, not la, la, la, la, sing, sing, joy, joy. No, it's not fake. Authenticity is at the core of your being, is that you are the presence and power of love that is unwavering. We are the ones that keep criticizing and mentalizing oh, I'm loved today because I got a new boyfriend. I'm not loved tomorrow because I'm sad.

Douglas James Cottrell:

No, Well, listen, hold it right there. We'll take a short break. We'll be right back after this.

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Douglas James Cottrell:

Well, just before the break, you told me this amazing story about the shaman having a heart in the palm of your hand. And then you went to another shaman or a place in Peru and you found a walking stick. Show us what you found. Yeah, that was like 13, 14 years later, so with it being wood, I don't know, just turn it a little so the light catches it there.

Temple Hayes:

okay there you go, so there's the heart wow on the hand in the palm of the hand with a celtic cross, which I studied, celtic shamanism. It's like. My saying is you can't make this stuff up, it's just so good. It's just so good. But you really defined it, douglas, because you said it's about being awake, it's about paying attention, you know, and, and these gifts come to all of us, all all the time, and it's just being present to them.

Douglas James Cottrell:

Well, when you said, I picked up on it when you looked at this person who was grieving and you said I don't see the gray in your face. I see lights and colors around people too. So you're really looking at this person's aura or energy field, and obviously you're very adept at doing that. Tell us more about your intuitive abilities, if you care to, when you see people, do you?

Temple Hayes:

see, I was just thinking that.

Douglas James Cottrell:

I was just thinking that well, where do you think I'm getting the questions from?

Temple Hayes:

because, because I want to, well, I want. I love that we have this great connection.

Douglas James Cottrell:

I admire you.

Temple Hayes:

I feel it in my heart and.

Temple Hayes:

I admire you. That said, I want people to understand that if you want to develop a strong body, a physical body, you don't go to the gym right away and lift 150 pounds. You do things incrementally, you build up. You build up. The first week you even feel a little like I don't feel better, I feel worse. Then you have breakthroughs. Trust is a muscle, is a muscle, it's an internal muscle, and so you build up to it and so you learn to listen Like you listen to. Don't go down that freeway today, don't don't. And you hear your voice, not all the other chatter you know, not the Beatles and all the other. You know songs and Barry Manilow going through your head. You're hearing you. You're hearing your voice. That remains the same in your life. And and so you didn't go down that freeway. And the next day you happened to read that there was an accident there, or which you could have been in, but you listen.

Temple Hayes:

So you, you went oh, could have been in, but you listen. So you, you went oh, muscles being established. And and so you, you're into a practice. This is what life is. It's a practice, um, and you're learning all the time. But you have to test it, you know, you have to be willing to put yourself out there and and use it, and so you develop this muscle. Um, I was told in 2022, excuse me, 2021, that I was to pack up my life and relocate across the United States. I had eight people tell me in six weeks. I was very comfortable, I had a home across from the beach. My mom lived down the street. I had a little goddaughter still do. My mother is since then, past, as I said, and a wonderful, comfortable life, huge community hangout. Our lives were just great. And I get the message you're leaving and you're going.

Douglas James Cottrell:

You left out. Yeah, that's the way the spiritual roles are.

Temple Hayes:

Everybody who gets an awakening. It's now you work for the Godfather. They want to blame something or someone else when you know you were told don't go there. You know, don't do that. My father, you'll love this story.

Temple Hayes:

My father's been gone a long time 20, 20 something years but back in the day, before your phones would automatically change or your computers on the time change every time, it would give me a reason to call him and I'd go Dad, does the clock go forward or backwards? I don't remember. And he would tell me a reason to call him and I'd go dad, does the clock go forward or backwards? I don't remember. And he would tell me what it was. And then I would question him and he would say you know, I don't understand why you call me because you don't believe what I tell you. And that's the way we are in our design. If we ask the angels or archetype or creator, whatever you call it, it doesn't really matter what you call it. What matters is how you believe about it. When you ask for answers and you get them, you want to listen, because it's very important that you do so.

Douglas James Cottrell:

Explain how people can get a hold of you.

Temple Hayes:

You know, everything is there on the on the website templehazecom. If they have an interest in the book, they can even do a downloadable, a free chapter right there. They can start delving into it. And the other thing is along the way. It's about work with me or as a mentor. You can get in touch with me that way and I can connect with someone and see if we are a good fit, and for me that's more important than anything. Are we a good fit? So that's part of that, is that space of that. So in that energy that's right there, they can fill it out and then anyone, as far as interviewing or whatever, goes through my publicist, uh dia, chandre hunter and all that's on the website as well no, no, we're not gonna let you go anywhere.

Douglas James Cottrell:

We're gonna keep interviewing you every week.

Temple Hayes:

well, hey, I I love to be on your show more often because we've just barely tapped the surface of so many things that can be helpful to people. But it's not just conceptual learning different things and doing different exercises that you can see your life in a different way, because so much of it is learning to reframe your life instead of setting everything right, which causes pain and anger and self-righteousness. Learn to see it right and see your part in it, you know.

Douglas James Cottrell:

Well, well, today, uh, in all the things you said, people can take heart that they don't need to endure their life, that they have choice, and a little bit of rebel rousing doesn't hurt a little questioning people who say things to you, including your faith. You have to question what is an angel? What is a spiritual experience? How can I get to God Almighty, how can I have a personal relationship with God? And these things are okay to ask. It's been a remarkable journey. Are okay to ask. This is a tear story. It's been a remarkable journey. You've got miles to go before you sleep, as they say, and you're a light worker, for sure, and you're helping people all over the world. And definitely we'll have you back here on the podcast and live stream real soon, because, again, we just scratched the surface. It's templehazecom, a spiritual leader, author and difference maker, and the name of the book, or books are go ahead again and your website again.

Temple Hayes:

I would say my most notable book is when Did you Die, and it's eight steps to stop dying every day and start waking up. And my other book is being a Difference Maker and Living Life Out Loud. And of course, I have another book of how to Speak Unity and a few others. I have a little children's book about life rights, about how we need to get back to honoring and respecting life and all living things, and that's my nonprofit work Global Peace Workers. And it's all listed there on the website it's been a pleasure being with you today.

Douglas James Cottrell:

It's been a pleasure. I admire courage above all things, and you are definitely a light worker. You're the real deal. You're the genuine article. You're not afraid to tell the truth, looking back and forward. You're not afraid to tell your life path, as most people who are enlightened are. It's been a pleasure. See you all here next time. God bless.

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