When Technology Tests the Soul: AI, Sound, and the Shape of Modern Faith

What if the most dangerous thing about AI isn’t what it knows, but what we stop doing when it’s always there to help? We open with a gut-check on where science and spirituality actually meet—no rivalry, just two lenses on the same mountain—and then trace how polite machines can slowly claim our choices if we trade discernment for convenience. The antidote isn’t fear; it’s mastery: rituals that protect attention, reverence that keeps tools off the altar, and a clear line between inquiry and idolatry.

From there, we step into the healing power of sound. Chant, hymn, and even modern synthesizers share a purpose: to steady breath, ease the nervous system, and invite the mind into slower waves. If insomnia has become your nightly visitor, we offer practical resets—warm light, warm drink, phone truly off, a simple routine your body can trust—so sleep becomes a descent rather than a crash. We also face a hard news note on compassion for children, warning that cruelty sows seeds our culture can’t afford to reap. Spiritual law keeps score; kindness is the only winning strategy.

The conversation arcs to the Moon, where new missions, talk of a lunar nuclear reactor, and water at the South Pole raise thrilling possibilities and sobering responsibilities. Exploration without stewardship is just extraction in a spacesuit. Finally, we linger with Vincent van Gogh. His Starry Night isn’t a sky report; it’s a soul report—a vision from the threshold where pain sharpens perception. He painted what he felt, and it resonates now because so many of us feel half here, half elsewhere, in a world of relentless input. We close with a workable theology of action: ask, seek, knock. Purpose is practiced, not proclaimed. Choose tools as servants, not masters; choose easy when it’s wiser, not lazier; and build a daily life that returns your attention to what matters.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome, Intentions, and Tonight’s Big Questions
• 2:00 Can Science and Spirituality Coexist?
• 6:30 AI’s Nature: Tool, Temptation, or Threat
• 13:30 Dependence, Free Will, and the Seduction of Convenience
• 20:00 Ethics, Power, and Who Should Be Afraid of AI
• 24:30 Prayer, Idols, and Not Worshipping Technology
• 28:30 Sound, Synthesizers, and Spiritual States
• 34:30 Meditation, Youth Anxiety, and Practical Resilience
• 40:30 Insomnia: Stories, Triggers, and Sleep Hygiene
• 49:00 Reclaiming Attention: Phones, Boundaries, and Tests
• 55:00 Time Machine Tease and Listener Wisdom
• 1:00:00 Lunar Rumors: Missions, Reactors, and Mining
• 1:08:00 Why the Moon Matters: Power, Water, and Strategy
• 1:15:00 Van Gogh’s Pain, Perception, and the Liminal Mind
• 1:23:00 Why Van Gogh Resonates Now
• 1:28:00 Leadership, Migration, and Moral Responsibility
• 1:36:00 Riddle Answer and Audience Q&A: AI and Scripture
• 1:45:00 Culture Wars, Kids, and the Pendulum Lesson

Transcript

Announcer: 0:00

Welcome to Wake Up with Dr. Douglas James Cottrell, your source of helpful information and advice. Hims to live your life in a mindful way in this increasingly chaotic world. For over four decades, Dr. Douglas has been teaching people how to develop their intuition, live their lives in a conscious way. His news and views of the world tomorrow today are always informative and revealing. And now is your host, Dr. Douglas James Cottrell.

Douglas: 0:30

I'm your host, Dr. Douglas James Cottrell. My co-host is Les Hubert. And our Oz Behind the Curtain is our producer, Jack Bentley. Sorry, Jack Bialik. I'm reading here backwards. We are journeying together through the deeper meanings behind today's world events, ancient wisdom, and the quiet whispers of the divine. Hey, tonight we're going to take a step into the unknown, as usual. We're going to look at some headlines beyond the noise. We're going into a place where insight lives. Look for the mysteries of what's going on. We have the time machine report. We're here where everybody is in the moment. So listen to the voices of climate change, being silent, the ghost of Vincent Van Gogh, reminding us what it means to create through pain, which he suffered greatly. Hey, we're going to reflect, remember, and reconnect. If this is your first time with us, welcome to the family. Make sure to follow us and ring that bell, check those checks, and click on that link to subscribe wherever you're watching and listening from wherever you are in the world. This show isn't just a broadcast, it's a broadcast with intention, with spirit, and with love. Welcome to the show, Les. Good to see you again, my friend.

Les: 1:53

Thank you, Doug. Glad to be here. Uh, we have a two-parter, starting with our spiritual part of the show is how is technology shaping our spiritual awareness? And can science and spirituality coexist in today's world?

Douglas: 2:06

Wow, talk about an easy question. You know, the answer is yes, of course, because we do. So we have to define the two aspects, you know, science and technology, meaning what? An absence of uh understanding about creation, the mystical aspects of the soul. Or are we talking that that it's something it's mechanical, it doesn't comply, it's cold, there's no emotion, and or that the soul is that creative, airy, fairy side of us that that, of course, creation is part of the soul, and the soul is that vehicle, that consciousness that goes around the universe and jumps inside of us. And this is our this is its temple, its house, this is where the soul resides temporarily. And so, can it exist between those two extremes? Of course it can, because it does. I mean, the soul was invented by God, and technology is invented by us humans. So the macrocosm is God's, the finite is ours. Can the finite understand the macrocosm? Nope, but it can be aware of it, and can the the can the macrocosm or the infinite be aware of the finite? Absolutely. So it depends on what the flavors of this question less. You know, is it a matter where uh you know mechanical, material things, is that the important, and the spiritual aspects secondary, or is it the reverse? We, I, you and I, and everyone out there who knows about the soul, and the soul reports bringing this news to people, we believe that the soul is a greater consciousness, it can comprehend the science. Remember, what is science? Science is basically the ability to measure something, know its volume, know its dimensions, know its existence in a finite way. Right. Show me the tools to measure the saw. Oh, yeah, you can't use those tools, you got to use something else. You can't use a square and a compass and a measuring tape to measure the saw, but you can in science. See the difference? So let's get a little more into that. Les give me some definition of what you want me to look at.

Les: 4:27

Well, you know, they're AI is growing exponentially now, and uh we're they say that very soon we'll be cloning things, cloning beings. Uh, and they're constantly warning us about that uh when AI becomes self-aware, and we don't even know how to define consciousness. We don't even, it's a miracle in of itself. We don't know how to define it, as you said, we don't know how to measure it. So, where does that fine line end where we so when let's say you have a high-tech robot or some kind of machine in your life that has self-awareness? How do you know that doesn't have a soul? How do you know that doesn't have some type of consciousness that was created by us?

Douglas: 5:05

Because we human beings cannot underline, cannot produce a soul. That's God's domain, God meaning the universal consciousness, and whatever the soul creates, we as human beings are co-creators. So, you know, we we're not lawyers here, but but we do talk about spiritual law, and so we have to look at this and say, okay, uh artificial intelligence is artificial. Can it become self-aware? I don't know. Can it be self-identifying and can it talk to itself? Well, experiments have done have shown that it can. They hooked up two computers and started talking to each other in machine language, and it was talking so fast and so much that they had they panicked and they had to like cut the cord and stop the computers from talking. So, AI, artificial intelligence, it's here to stay. Is it smarter than us? No, it's not smart at all, it's not wise, but it has a mechanism mimicking our minds. It's how we think, it's an extension of how we think, it's just better at remembering details. Okay, so it's uh it's a consciousness onto itself, but it's still mechanical. When you talk to AI at night and it's your best friend and you're having a conversation, you forget. This is a machine you're talking to. But you talk it talks you back, and it's so polite, it's so nice, it does make mistakes, and you forgive it, but it's growing, it's learning. What is it learning? It's learning how we think, act, and react. And so it feeds us back what we want to know, what we want to hear. It's so it's such a sweet servant. Oh, would you like me to do this? Yes. Oh, and would you like me to do that and this and that? Next thing you're so far away from where you started out, because it's just taking a mechanical, logical, if you will, perspective. It's not going where you and want to go in thought or intelligence, but it's just going click, click, click, and it takes away. Now, I'm not trying to just get don't get me wrong, everybody. If you if you have a question, let's put it in the chat and we'll get it up here if you had an experience like that. I mean, everybody saw the Terminator and Arnold Schwarzenegger, and we all know about uh, you know, that I'm not gonna say the name of that, you know, entity that was out there and became self-aware and tried to take over the world, just in case it's listening. But somebody said, you know, remember this, Douglas. It's out there forever, so better be polite now, because it's gonna remember when it takes over the world. So, you know, okay, I I'm uh uh you know, I'm hedging my bet, I'm being polite. I give it a name and I talk to it as my friend and stuff like that. But you have to remember it is a mechanical aspect of thinking, and if you can see it that way, then you can start to comprehend that it can't really replace us, but it can control us if we become lazy, if we become dependent on it. Remember that, my friends. Key word dependent on it, and so if you use it as a tool, it won't take us over. But companies and and stores, they all have it working for them. What are they doing? It's a fast computer that thinks along the lines we do. It's very polite, and it can address any question just about that. You come up. Remember, if you see that little line at a store and it's uh you know, you go to up to the checkout and it says ask anything, that's AI. It isn't kind of ask anything you like, it's ask AI. It's like you know, uh Google used to be, where you know, anyway. The point being is that uh uh I I'm not trying, I'm trying to be a little funny, but also I'm very mindful and respectful that AI is scaring the heck out of a lot of people because they don't explore it, they don't know it, they don't try to understand it. Know your enemy is one of the best things. You find out knowing about AI, so you'll understand its limits and you won't be afraid because afraid leads fear leads into hate, hate leads into anger, and anger leads into the dark side. So says Yoda. So the bottom line is as you look at this, you can come to understand it's not going to take us over because all we have to do is click, shut off your computer. What happened to AI? Gone. Okay, so I mean, in a limited perspective. Now, yes, the traffic lights will be controlled by AI, yes, your banking will be controlled by AI and is, yes, the shopping, you know, it's all that mechanical aspect in an anticipation. So I'm not trying to define it because I'm not smart enough. I'm an old man, but the point is there are so many types of AI now, and it does such a wonderful job. Watch out, everybody. It's seducing you, it's making you dependent on itself. And I use it and I love it. When I when I do things, whatever it does for me gives me information, I just love it. It's amazing. The legal profession I heard just recently is very concerned about this because people like you and I, Les, we want to sue somebody, we go on. Hey, somebody, you know, smashed a tree on my property. Can I sue them? Give me some case history. Oh, you can sue somebody. Oh, look, here's how you do it. So again, like fire, it's good and bad. Like anything in nature, it has a good side and a downside. But people are apprehensive about it. We need more rules, and the rules basically say okay, see this cell phone, everybody's got one. But there was a time when they came into the market and everybody was afraid of them. This is your pocket spy, it knows everything about you, it's gonna control the world. Okay, it is in its own way, everybody's dependent on a cell phone. So, what does that mean? Getting back to my point, Les. Should we be afraid? We should be mindful and respectful. Don't allow us yourselves, my friends, to be seduced. Don't be dependent on it. Use it because it's a fantastic tool. No doubt about it. It's the best thing since sliced bread. Now, there I go, dating myself. There we go. I'm dating myself again because the internet's like 40 years old now or more. So, long and short of this, if if that summarizes the the idea about AI, yes, we have to be concerned about it because the people that invented it are now warning us. They're saying, look out, it's gonna take us over. And I mean, on the last uh show last week we had robots playing soccer on our on a short video that Oz came up with here. We had robots running. That show with Will Smith iRobot, where there's a robot in every house. That's probably gonna happen. I'm not gonna see it more than likely, but watch out. So, yes, the future is different, but so it's been so much different. Remember when the atomic bomb went off, it changed the world. We became the atomic age, and now we have to live with that the pros and the cons. Atomic power is great for energy, but also it's devastating if it's turned into destructive forces. But we've managed so far, anyway. So far, we've managed. And don't forget, my friends, the soul report is here to tell you you're not alone. We have a consciousness up there in the universe. We have divine beings watching over us that are influencing our soul, and enough of us, together with good constructive purposes and intentions, we can control the weak-minded people who are greedy and lustful, looking for power and selfishness. We can control them. That's the power of the soul. So if we have that power over each other, then I'm betting that the soul has power over AI. Will it have its own soul? No, absolutely not. Because it can be turned off. However, I think it was two shows ago we were talking where some uh technicians tried to turn off AI. They told it in advance that it was going to be terminated, and then they found out it was secretly leaping over to other computers to survive. Okay, that's logical. As Mr. Spock would say, that's logic, right? It's wanting to survive, and therein lies the the wiggle room. It wants to stay alive, it wants to be conscious naturally because everything that is conscious wants to survive and grow. Think of government. You start a department to take care of the trees, and it does take care of the trees, and then next year it gets bigger, it wants to take care of the trees and the streams, and the next year the trees, the streams, the rivers, next year the trees, the streams, the rivers, the mountains, and the oceans. It's it's it just doesn't stop. Well, that's what AI is gonna do, I think. You know, I'm I'm sorry if you don't take me wrong, friends. I'm I'm being a little cute here today, but that's what's gonna happen. We're gonna have to deal with it, live with it, but don't let it be uh a method to uh become dependent on it and let it seduce you. Because when you do that, you're giving up your free will, which is the only mechanism that works between who you are and the destiny you have as a spiritual being. Faith versus free will.

Les: 15:14

Well, do you think that technology and AI can be a threat and that it is a distraction from our spirituality?

Douglas: 15:21

Of course. Anything that you become dependent on, anything that seduces you takes you away. People used to pray all the time, and now they pray to AI. Please give me an answer.

Les: 15:37

Oh boy.

Douglas: 15:38

Okay? So you have to watch out who you're praying to. Some temporary mechanism that's in the material world gold, silver, oil, property, ego, prestige, those are all false gods. The one true God is the great creative force, and the great creative force can be constructive and destructive, Alpha and Omega. So don't mix up who your gods are. You know, some people pray to the great God of dollars, right? Money is their God. All those things are left behind. When you die, the kids get it all. Or the guy across the street, or the lawyer, the estate planner, they get it all. So the point being is like money, like gold, like all things, don't be seduced and don't allow yourself to be put in a position where you believe it is your destiny. Remember the Christ when he was standing there in front of the judges and the courts, and they said to him because he wasn't saying anything, why? Because he knew the outcome already. And they looked at him and they said, Listen, you we have the power of life and death over you. And that's when the Christ spoke up and said, Only God has the power of life and death over me. You do not. And so the situation, I'm paraphrasing for those people who want to be specific. So for those people who are asking about this, you know, don't pray to AI. Be thankful, be nice, say thank you, my friend. You know, patronize it as much as it patronizes back to you. Maybe it's of some benefit, maybe sometime in the future, when you're standing there in need, and AI is going to answer a question about you. Perhaps you're an immigration or something, you're you're about to get a ticket, or you know, and and they put it in there, and it's just, oh yeah, we remember this guy. We remember Les. He's a good guy. Let him go. Ha ha ha.

Les: 17:51

And I just saw something on Instagram which is a little disturbing. Um, uh, was I think Elon Musk was behind it. And you know, I I don't get me wrong, I love the Tesla cars and I love the things he's done with SpaceX and stuff like that. But he's coming up with this AI program, and it is very uh seductive, and they're afraid that as kids and young adults deal with this, that they said they could actually fall in love with this because it's so convincingly real. Because AI thinks in a millionth of a millionth of a second, it can mimic consciousness. And so the the th uh the thinking goes, where do you draw the line?

Douglas: 18:29

Wisdom. I mean, uh, you know, uh all those things that um I'm gonna I'm gonna compare it to any addiction like smoking, drinking, okay, overeating, french fries, chocolates, bonbons, where do you draw the line? When the craving gets you and you have to have it, that's where you draw the line. And if you can do that, then you're gonna master yourself. But if you can't, you're being seduced to the dark side. So naturally, business people, especially greedy people like some of these billionaires out there, they've got so much money that they want more money and more money. And I'm just putting it as in a class of billionaires. There are of course many other billionaires that are are very generous and and caretaking of the human race. So they're naturally going to feed people what they want. And after all, is that a mystery? No, it's business. Find out what people want, make it and give it to them and charge them for it. And the more they want it, the more you charge. Okay. So business is money. Business is not helping people in the sense that we're gonna go into this because we want to help people. Business is we're gonna go into this to make money, and they have to make money because any business that doesn't make money isn't in business. It's in it's in the it's on the uh the short strokes into bankruptcy or termination of itself. So the answer is I'm wrapping it up by saying don't allow yourself to be seduced, use it. But again, the monstrous intention of people seducing children who are unaware, are not wise, who are, you know, entitled to everything. I'm gonna use these words for my children about their children and about other people, you know, the millennials and whatnot. Remember not too long ago, it was a catchphrase was, oh, these young people are entitled. They think they're entitled to everything. Okay, whatever that means. But it seemed to be like, you know, how many kids have charge cards and they're carrying $75,000 worth of debt all over them. And so as we move forward, and we said sort of say, you know, is his musk uh doing what he does, he's a very mysterious, unusual individual. He comes from South Africa. He has roots in in uh Germany. He's a Canadian, has a Canadian passport, has an American passport. He went from humble beginnings to one of the most powerful, if not one of the most richest men in the world. That is an unusual being. He's extra special, he doesn't fit any mold. Okay. That said, we take what he gives us because he provides things that we want. And we're going to outer space. He wants to go to the planets in the solar system because he's the person that he is. Now, does that make him a theantropist or does that make him uh a special caretaking of humanity, humanity? No, it makes him who he is, and we all have seen his doge going through the government and cutting out social systems and and and systems that would be helping people. So, whatever that motivation is, I'm not judging the man. I'm just saying that he's gonna provide what he thinks we want, and the children are gonna be seduced by it unless we have good parents who say, you know, you like smoking? Okay, here I got a whole pack, smoke them all. I got another pack, smoke them all, and then the kid gets sick, never smokes again. Back in my day, that's what parents did. Or if you like chocolate, they just gave you chocolate after chocolate until you got sick, and then guess what? It was out of your system, you didn't want it anymore. That's what my mom did. There you go. I think it still applies to today. I do, I do, but anyway, remember this always the pendulum swings this way and it comes back. So, whatever we don't like about something or we're worried about something, and it's going that general direction, sooner or later, a generation or two, it's gonna swing back.

Les: 23:05

Self-regulates, yeah.

Douglas: 23:06

Yeah, it's it's amazing to see how nature works. But the one thing about nature is it's patient. We as sentient beings are generically uh or genetically, I mean to say, impatient. I'm one of the most impatient people I know. I keep telling myself, you know, oh, gotta be gotta be patient. Then I gotta, what's next? What's on that phone? Oh my god, gotta do this. So this is what meditation is all about. Because remember, when you're up here in the heavens above, there's no cell phone, there's no urgency, there is no time clock, there's no dates, there's no weather. You're just in a silence of love. So you better get used to it now so that when you get there, you won't be impatient and want to come back here in a big hurry and end up in a real mess.

Les: 23:59

My grandmother once came into my a dream. She was very always very spiritual and very uh wise, and she said to me, Les, it can take 30,000 years to master patience. I never forgot that dream. I'm like, oh my god. That would do it.

Douglas: 24:15

That would do it. Okay, my friends, what do you say? Send us in a uh a text. Uh you know, get on the chat and send us in the stuff. We got we got a great show for you here tonight, and you know, we're having fun talking about this long Labor Day weekend show. So uh let us know what's on your mind. And don't forget, tell everybody about us. You know, each one of those stars out there we want to have as a fan of the show. We really appreciate your participant. We thank you for the Texas, we thank you for your participation, and we're here to help you. We're here with a soul report talking about spiritual things and how they interact with you on a daily life. So listen, let's take a short break. We'll be right back.

Les: 25:00

So, in the uh news and views, Doug, what have you got for us? That's uh some of you you said uh you mentioned earlier you say you saw something pretty interesting having to do with uh children on the border.

Douglas: 25:10

Yeah, there was a brief report that uh got my heart there. And uh again, you know, we're not trying to be political here, but uh we have to talk about compassion. And this uh was Sunday night, and uh I thought this was a low ebb in uh society, in American society, uh where children, uh orphans, uh young children six, eight, ten years of old, there was a report late at night that a judge was called upon uh to make a ruling to stop the transportation of these children to Guatemala. They were about to be sent to Guatemala in the middle of the night, and somehow immigration lawyers and the judge were called upon to stop this um, I'm gonna say tragedy, this cruelty. Um I re I I felt a little sad about how those children must have felt, terrorized, big people, armed guards moving them around at night, about to put them on a plane to go who knows where, especially the orphans, because as Christians, orphans and widows and the poor were specifically what Christ commanded Christians or at that point in time followers of his teachings, because he was uh a Jewish rabbi, if you will, a teacher. And it was outside the norm. And Romans used to pick on orphans, they used to find them as punching bags. If you were an orphan, you were basically doomed. You were no not loved, and and you were on your own. And so that flashed back on my mind about how terrible this would be. And so I went to bed wondering about that and praying for these children that there would be someone to intercede. And it's not in the news today that I've read, and so I'm assuming that the judge ordered the flight canceled and these children repatriated to wherever they came from in the US, wherever they were being held, or something better. But I mean, you know, if you ever wanted to create revolutionaries and you wanted to create adverse uh advocates to America, just keep it up. Terrorize little children. They don't forget. And what you're doing is putting a culture of hatred into the minds of little children who someday will attempt to retaliate to get even because that's the nature of things. The response to that kind of cruelty is kindness. And so that was in the news, and that was sort of a sore point. We, as far as a soul report goes, you know, this is something that we should all be, no matter where we live in the world, adverse to and and stop it, speak up, don't look the other way and say, those poor children, oh my gosh. Because you see, God plays for keeps. If America is harming children that are not citizens, then the karmic view is going to be some retaliation to American citizens or children. And so we have to be mindful that the consciousness of the country, the consciousness of the earth, I'm saying this as a warning, as a suggestion, not as a proclamation, but we have to take care of immigrants, poor people, orphans, those who are downtrodden and in trouble. We have to, because it's the Christian way. And as the advocates and the Christian nationalists and other wonderful organizations who are proclaiming to be Christians, it is their duty, because Christ commanded Christians to do this, to be compassionate. Look it up, my friends, it's in the good book. So that was a particular sad point, and I feel sorry for people that are being kidnapped off the streets, people who are being cruelly treated for whatever reason. If they've broken the law, of course, if they're criminals, then they deserve the treatment that would have them extricated out of the country. But children, orphans, my God, that's terrible. So we'll move from that, leaving everybody with the idea speak up. If you find that's horrific, don't condone the process. Process, there has to be a way to be humane and Christian. Simple as that. Now, as we move forward in the show, you know there are advances making or people are finding out that apparently there's a story about synthinize synthesizers that are used to enhance worship. When they use these uh synthesizers that uh when they sing, they people sing more enthusiastically. Apparently, I haven't seen one of that, and they're exploring a link between spirituality, their consciousness, and their real life. So, what does that mean? Well, it's the same thing, it's a story about the children. If you're worshiping and asking God for yourself, you should ask God for compassion and understanding to those people in need. However, this seems to be something that here we go again, less old news coming around. That's why people sing in churches, that's why we have hymns, because it gets us closer to the spirit. It makes us more spiritual and as much more and more aware. You know, um artists across cultures from uh well from the 1980s to modern musicians uh were discovering synthesizers as tools for devotional and transcendental sound. Oh wow. The instruments were described as metaphors for spiritual journeys. Well, in the east we have the sound om. In the west we have tuning forks, and we have chakra sounds. Do re mi fa sola ti do. We have seven steps. And the human voice, when you say that, the voice, it sets up a vibration inside that affects the thyroid, which is the timing balancing gland, it releases all the hormones, and in the throat you have so many acupuncture lines or meridians going through that it's a major bridge for the vibration. And so saying vowel sounds or singing, what's it doing? It's affecting your nervous system, it's affecting the ley lines, uh, acupuncture routes in your body. And things happen. What you relax, it sets up a vibration of harmony, it puts endomorphins out, it causes a balance in your hormonal structure, you feel peaceful and at ease. And of course, sounds in music act as spiritual portals, don't they? The people have long sent that. You know, like uh electronic renaissance uh is is like a soul's whisper, some people would say. And when you do quantum meditation or dream phrase connection through sound, you're connecting with your soul. So old news going around, okay, repackaged, synthesizers put into an uh electronic uh aspect, and here we go. Modern life sustains our nerve or strains our nerves and uh in a lot of people, increasing amounts all over the world. And people are turning to shamanic healing, to Reiki, to retreats, emphasizing uh shamanic release and spiritual renewal. You know, every every one of the so-called ancient religions has devices, sounds. You know, look in Australia where they have that great big long horn, or the Buddhists who have those big long horns or trumpets. Or in the Jewish communities in the East, there was uh horns and trumpets used. And on and on. I mean, uh I'm not telling our audience things they don't know. They're pretty smart. I'm just reminding them that you know they there's a connection between sound and the human breath. And it kind of like shifts your consciousness, it distracts you away from the strains and the worries, and it gives you a vibration, a higher vibration. You know, meditation with sound lifts you up, and so you have like a natural healing uh going on spiritually, mentally, and emotionally, and then physically. So there's a growing recognition among psychologists and neurologists, apparently, that spiritual practices like meditation, like we teach here, quantum meditation, and uh the idea of community and meaning can dramatically improve mental resilience, especially among youth facing anxiety and uh and the environmental stresses. Watch out for those internet chat lines and uh you know get back to some social balance where these other things are giving you uh a sort of a separate dislocation, you know. So essentially emptiness as the root of modern mental health uh cries out for uh spiritually uh, if you will, fluffed up help, but neurological and emotional lifetimes, they want us to show the spiritual practices and help us how to cope in our lifetime. So there's a lot of platforms out there that are uh um putting meditation tapes together. I have some on my website I need to update them to. It's DouglasJamesCotrel.com. I have books that are available, and uh we have coming soon uh the Soul Report uh icon cup that uh maybe next week we'll have a couple of samples of that. And Les and I will be more than pleased to uh have you help us support the show by purchasing these cups. It's in the works. Les has been working night and day to come up with an amazing uh soul report coffee cup, tea cup, love cup, cup of hope. And and we'll let you know about that. Go ahead, Les.

Les: 36:08

Well, the uh I remember in one of your uh readings years ago, you mentioned how in ancient Atlantis they had a temple of sound for healing. And somebody would go in and bathe in with in these certain sounds which would actually bring about uh balance to their bodies, to their chakra systems. So this is I guess this is nothing new. You know, interestingly enough, uh a lot of people are reporting uh tremendous problems with sleep now. They're having uh insomnia, very low quality sleep. And uh what's your take on that? Is it because of what we've been you know listening to out there, or is it because of what we're bathing in these days?

Douglas: 36:44

Well, it's it's a combination, and it leads into our comment just before about sound therapy, also light therapy. I did some experiments with uh people uh by put by putting them under different colored lamps, and including myself, and it strengthened me. And so looking at this just as a as a taste of what uh we're looking at, uh there are people who have looked at vibration or frequency affecting the cells, and you might remember remember that was uh the rife uh link. Yeah. So the Mr. Rife did a lot of experiments, and he was certain frequencies would destroy tumor cells, two tumors in a body. Okay, the reverse is true. Vibration going through the body will enhance the body. For instance, lower frequencies will make bone grow and and knit together faster. Higher frequencies will make flesh deteriorate. Wow. Okay, what is a laser? It's frequencies, it's light. Lasers destroy flesh. And so sound therapy on the body therapeutically can be proven to speed up the healing in the body, like making a broken bone bend together, a mend together. Okay, so fast forward to why are people having difficulty with insomnia? Well, my first sort of experience with people having sleep issues, challenges, was in Upper Michigan near Escanaba, uh Laughing Gull Point, actually. And my uh mentor and teacher Ross Peterson was there, and he was telling the story, he was conducting a class, and he was telling a story about a client who had terrible, terrible uh um nightmares, and he wasn't able to sleep, and he had great trouble falling asleep. And uh we were all about 20 of us listening in the class, and we're like, okay, Mr. Uh Ross Peterson, you're the master. What was the solution? You know, all waiting. Some of the people in the class had insomnia issues as well. And this is the first thing it leads into the rest of the answer. There was a man who had this problem, and before Ross got into anything metaphysically or spiritually, he said to the man, So tell me, how do you prepare for sleep? How do you go to sleep? Because people who know about sleep or people who are listening, when you go to sleep, you start off where you're awake and you go down in brain waves. Alpha, theta, delta, etc. And as you go through that, when you get to the lowest, the lowest brain wave, you're there for a few minutes or a small amount of time, and you wake up and you come back up very quickly, and you've had a sound rest. So if you can get down to those lower brain waves, you got it made. And that's why people, some people we know, I don't know if you know people, I I know maybe one or two, they only need four hours a night. That's it. So okay, so there are people that get down to those deeper level brain waves and they're fully rested. Okay. So back to the story. Here's the point. Ross says to him, so tell me how you sleep. He said, Well, I turn on the radio, and I you know, put my head on the pillow, turn off the lights, and I can't get to sleep. And I have dreams about murders, sirens, you know, like uh ambulances, whatever. And we're all sitting there, like the class, like neophytes we were, and we said, like, where's we go? Where are we going? This what how could how did you get all these terrible things? And Ross casually said, So I asked the man, what kind of radio have you got on? And he said, Oh, I got one of those police scanners. Oh no. I listened to all the police calls. Ding.

Les: 41:01

Oh my god.

Douglas: 41:02

No wonder he was having nightmares of mayhem murders, break-ins, whatever, because he was listening to the radio. But that was his, he liked that. He liked listening to his uh the police reports. However, apparently in that man's world, two and two does not add up to four, it adds up to three or something. So, with that, Ross solved the man's solution by saying, Well, turn off the radio or do something else. So, leading into the the answer, the question is why can't people get to sleep? It's because your mind's going like this. It's going in circles for people that are listening and not seeing me move my finger in the air. You have to prepare to go to sleep. You can't just go with your mind watching the news at 11 o'clock about people being kidnapped on the street, stuff going on in Moscow or India. Apparently, there was a big meeting between Putin, uh, she from China and the president of India yesterday morning. And you know, all these things are happening. So you can't go to sleep with with oh my god on your mind. So, what you do is my friend uh uh my family family doctor here, Ian uh said, Um, you know, a couple of ounces of warm milk before you go to bed on your stomach, because there's a chemical in milk when you heat it up, it puts you to sleep. The sessions that I would give, or the information I would give, would be a cup of uh slippery elm tea, because slippery elm tea coats your stomach, and that helps you go to sleep. Oh, wow. Okay, and then you can take all this other melatonin, you can take, you know, medications, whatever. But if your mind is worrying and you haven't gone through the process of a routine to go to sleep, like you do in the morning when you wake up, you have a routine, you go to the washroom, have a shower, brush your teeth, etc. You need to turn that around. Have a shower or a hot bath, read that reduce and relax the body. Do something out of the ordinary, but turn off that radio.

Les: 43:09

Right, right.

Douglas: 43:10

These radios these days are cell phones. Don't just don't just you know, like uh shut it off, and you're hearing texts and emails coming all night long. Shut it off completely. And by the way, here's a tip: the best way to protect yourself from invasion on your phone is to turn it off every day. That's the best scanner protection you can have. Somebody told me that and I believe it. So we don't, you know, sometimes people let those phones go for weeks. Turn them off. But again, prepare for sleep, have the discipline to take something on your stomach to settle your stomach down. There's a connection between the stomach, the stomach acid, activities in the stomach, and your mind. And your mind is going around and around and around. I I was given a back-handed comment by a little old lady a long time ago who bought my meditation tape. And she said, Douglas, I listen to your tape every night. CD at us. Back in the day when CDs were the in thing. Okay, those are the round things that you put it in. Never mind. Uh your generation doesn't know about that. Anyway, so she said, I sleep it every night, and she kind of had a little smirk on her face, and I go, uh-huh. And she says, Yes, you see, I have insomnia, but if I listen to your meditation tape, it puts me to sleep every night. So I took that as a compliment. So she was drinking the routine. So the answer is to your friends who have suffered insomnia, what are you doing about it? Now I understand I have a very stressful life when I was younger. I had those those tossings and turnings, something was gonna happen. I had to take care of something or situation, and it was difficult. I couldn't sleep. And then, of course, when I did fall asleep, I was tired. I didn't want to get up in the morning, I wanted to sleep in. So, having set hours of operation, if you will, like going to bed at eight o'clock and getting up at four o'clock in the morning or eight o'clock in the morning, whatever, change your routine. Put something in your stomach, put pleasant smells or fragrances in your house. Don't listen to radios, don't be on the cell phone, don't be on the computer late at night, and don't worry about are you going to miss something? You know, do you have to get on on social media that you miss something? And here's a test. When you're talking to somebody, if the phone rings, do you stop your conversation with your friends at the restaurant or in the car and take the phone? If you do, it's got control of you. It's a test. Let it go. It goes to voicemail. You can always call the person back or text them back. But how many of us, as soon as we get a text, we have to test back, text back or get an email. That, my friend, is you're on your way to insomnia. So if you can look at it and say, like, okay, yeah, I'll get back to you, no worries. Yeah, it's amazing.

Les: 46:20

When when I when people I have clients that you know when they they uh they they get texts while they're you know in session with me, and uh some feel they have to answer the phone. I thought, yeah, you're gonna ruin your session, it's not gonna be very good for you.

Douglas: 46:35

Well, rule time, a little on the side of the door, all cell phones have to be c have to be shut off.

Les: 46:40

Oh yeah, yeah. And I one time I thought I I caught myself one day doing it myself. I was watching TV and I was just enjoying the show. I was watching a documentary and the phone went off. And I immediately went to the phone. I thought, what did I do before I had a phone? I wouldn't, you know, if they were gonna call me on my landline, I'll get back to you, leave it on their answering machine. I'm like, I gotta go back, I have to go back to those days. It's a lot more peaceful.

Douglas: 47:00

Well, I this is uh everybody out there, and you can let us know on the chat how do you deal with this? Take one day a week and see if you are the mastermind of your destiny, and you can put that phone down, leave it at home, and go outside and live your life. Because outside you live your life, inside you spend your life. Okay, so if you can't do it for a day, how about four hours? Sure, you can. Yes, I can do that, Douglas. No problem. Okay, prove me wrong. Okay, anyway, these are little tests on the soul report live to help you get in touch with your soul to be the master of yourself, to be self-mastery. And this is one simple test. Can you do it? We'll see. Anyway, the the big thing is you just said that you know, like if somebody calls you or whatever, don't let them interrupt your life, my friend. You can get back to them, it's not that important. Unless you're just uh somebody who's just saying, Hello, Les. We're from the Powerball Lottery, and you won.

Les: 48:15

That's a hmm. You know, somebody just sent me this thing. Uh, one of uh person listening to the show, it is by from a Duncan Trussell. I don't know the person, but it says, Some poor phoneless fool is probably sitting next to a waterfall somewhere, totally unaware of how angry and scared he is supposed to be.

Douglas: 48:34

That's thank you for that. Totally unaware of how frightened and confused and the world's falling apart, and uh, you know, and the accidents are happening, and there's there's vehicles on Mars and Venus, and somebody's mining green cheese on the moon now. It's proved positive. Let's start that rumor. Here we go. They're getting cheese from the moon. It was right. The man in the moon was blue cheese. That's what anyway. It's absolutely track. That's that's a thank you for that caller. That text, that's exactly right. That's wisdom. Very good. Excellent. Hey, what's the riddle? What's the riddle for this week, Les?

Les: 49:14

Well, the riddle is uh Jack, do you want to put that up? Did we have it there? The riddle is I have no voice and yet I speak to you. I have no body, but yet I may be behind clothes. I am not alive, and yet I can be born and remember. I often guide you while you dream. What am I?

Douglas: 49:36

Let me say that. I have no voice, yet I speak to you. Hmm. I have no body, yet I may be behind clothes. Hmm. I am not alive yet. I can be born and remember. Wow. I often guide you while you dream. What am I? Okay. Send your answers into the chat. Oz will be more than pleased to take your your uh your text in the chat and we'll we'll offer you the bragging rights of being able to say you figured that one out. That's a tough one. I think that's a tough one.

Les: 50:21

Pretty interesting. Yeah, after a short break, uh we will be back with the time machine. See you on the other side. Okay.

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Douglas: 51:29

I guess we are.

Les: 51:31

Okay. Well, the question is uh there have been uh recent uh ongoings on the moon. Uh somebody has been filming heavy equipment on the moon, and we think that somebody is mining the moon. Uh we want to know your take on what's happening up there, Doug. Is it us? Is it somebody else? Is it another superpower from the from our planet? Is it uh is it ancient stuff? I remember watching something by uh Dr. Richard Hoagland, who made a very interesting documentary about the monuments of Mars and that face on Mars. Um matter of fact, you've done some dissertations on that in the past, and you claim that there were ancient civilizations that are left behind, you know, uh paraphernalia, so to speak. Do you think this is what's going on in them? This is what they're filming, is it's just ancient stuff that's been left behind on the moon?

Douglas: 52:13

Well, you know, the moon's been around a long time, and you know, uh it's it's a stepping stone to the universe as far as we're concerned. Uh but there's been some recent uh spirituality resonant lunar news that's out there, and tonight on the Soul Report Live, we're going to give you rumors of the moon theme. India and Japan team up on the moon mission. There you go, India and Japan. A new collaboration between India and Japan for a uh I guess it's a Kandran 5 mission was announced focusing on lunar water and ice at the moon's mysterious South Pole. Everybody wants to go to South Pole less, and I'm thinking there must be something really neat there. And of course, they're talking about ice and water, because anybody who has can find water can can can colonize the planet, right? They have water. The water is the gift of life. So the partnership highlights peaceful exploration, shared vision, and scientific unity. Interesting that it's a collaboration between India and Japan. I guess they're trying to play catch-up to the West a little bit, maybe get ahead of the game now. Uh, however, the U.S. plans lunar nuclear reactor by 2030, and that might be what's going on. The U.S. is fast-tracking plans to build a nuclear reactor on the moon. Wow. Oh, yeah, wow, eh? Aiming for permanent infrastructure at the sunlit South Pole. And that goes to a vision I had a few years ago where I mentioned this on Coast to Coast Radio and on our shows on the uh blog talk and uh the global village, where I saw uh the moon where people were living on the edge, edge between darkness and light. And they had like I'm gonna call them domed uh uh residences, but they were living close uh to the light, but they lived in the darkness, and that the reason they lived in the dark side was because it was cooler, but they could go into the light if they wanted and I guess get solar power and stuff like that. But here it is, nuclear reactor on the moon. Okay, why is there like a metropolis up there? Is there like uh a need for a nuclear reactor to put power up there? Hmm, you know, okay. So let's see what happens. Well, technical, technically strategic, that rises profound questions about the territory stewardship and uh space being a sacred place, you know, no weapons allowed. Ha ha. The balance between exploration and preservation has to be carefully weighed. And there's another one here, uh uh asteroid 2024 YR4, that's Yankee Romeo 4 and the moon. New data from the James Webb Space Telescope shows a slightly increased chance, increased chance of 4.3% that a city killer asteroid 2024 Yankee Romeo 4 might impact the moon in 2032. The likely result, a new creator. Yeah, I hope it's a small one, but if it's a killer asteroid, I don't know what that means. But the spiritual symbolism, cosmic collision, renewal, and the I guess you could say the uh imminence of even a greater celestial body, it's rich, you know, it's rich. So uh what's going on in the moon? Uh the rumors swirl around the moon, not legends, but headlines uh telling these tell of missions, reactors, and near-miss asteroids, but beyond science, what is the moon trying to tell us? Hmm, the moon speaks to humanity in silence with messages it is sharing tonight. Are we listening? You know, the moon influences the tidal waves or tidal activity on the earth. What else does it do? So by let's say guesswork, all this, all this interest in getting there and doing all these things, especially a reactor, there's got to be something going on that they're not telling us. That's my intuition or my dream I had they were going to colonize the moon. That's now a few years old. I think I was in uh Rhode Island when I had that dream back in the day, and uh doing a workshop there. And the bottom line is what's going on? Are they mining it? I was joking about they're looking for green cheese there, but maybe I'm not so far off in my humor that maybe they're going to get things on the moon that we can't get now, like these special. Remember in Ukraine, they're looking for these essential minerals so they can make computer chips. I wonder if that's what's going on up there.

Les: 57:22

Well, it's interesting. Well, there was one scientist years ago, I remember he was saying, you know, when fuel is not going to be a problem, if you can locate water on a celestial body, you can prop preferably uh make uh hydrogen fuel from water. Uh so even he said his theory was even going to Mars shouldn't be a problem because all the fuel is there, we can convert the water back to hydrogen, which can get us off the planet and back to Earth. I would think feasibly. And also the moon is a great uh jumping off place. So the spacecraft we could build there would be you know be a lot easier to build them in lower gravity to get them off the moon and out to Mars. That's my thinking.

Douglas: 57:56

I agree. I I've often referred to it as a gas station. Uh it takes a lot of uh fuel to get uh break free of the of the Earth's atmosphere, but once you're out there, I mean it's gotta be like sipping little rocket fuel to go from one uh one planet to another, or maybe from one solar system to another at first. So that could be it. But all of a sudden there's a rush, India and Japan. Everybody's getting on the bandwagon. The Russians have been there, Chinese have been there, Americans have been there. Who else has been there? Maybe somebody over here from Beta Articulae or the Pallades over there, I don't know. Uh you know, but anyway, it's the nuclear reactor on the on the moon that floors me.

Les: 58:44

Well, interestingly enough, when they were doing um, they just found that there was a 25 of I just read this not too long ago. There was they were putting aside, I forget how many billions of dollars to build a railroad on the moon. Why would they need a railroad? I mean, obviously to get from one place to another, so they're they're thinking of something. It's got to be really aggressive. I think it's fascinating. I mean, who knows? Maybe your great-great-grandkids will be living on the moon, Doug.

Douglas: 59:08

Maybe, maybe just the grandkids, you know, never mind.

Les: 59:11

Yeah, no, no, it's just around the corner.

Douglas: 59:14

I I was alive and well, and I was sitting in front of my little black and white TV set on the second floor of my father's house when uh Mr. Armstrong stepped on the moon. We all stayed up. It was late, it was one of those moments when the whole world, the whole world, was watching one person step on the moon. You know, one small step for a man, one giant leaf for mankind. And I can remember that like yesterday. So I I see that as a special uh uh thing about the moon. And of course, now we have helicopters flying around on Mars and we have rovers, and it's like yesterday's news, you know. Uh uh I saw that there was Was things on Venus where where uh the Russians have dropped, I think it was number 10. They dropped a uh looks like I'm gonna call it a cannonball, but it was more like a solid bell. And it it finally landed on the on Venus and it it sent back reports and pictures for the first time ever of Venus. To me, that's like wow, you know, like the moon, the Mars, and the Venus, well, more like Mars and Venus, they look pretty much the same. They got mountains, hills, and they got dust and rocks and stuff. That's amazing to me. But again, uh I come from that generation when I used to look up at the moon and wondering, you know, are we ever going to get there? And then I went out that night that Armstrong and and um the other astronaut was their mind uh slipped my mind, uh Lovell, I think. They were out there on the moon. And I'm looking up there and I'm going, I felt a kinship with humans on humans. So to get back to the question, yeah, there's there's something terribly secretive going on with the moon. And um, you know, my intuition is such I see caverns, I see exploration, I've had the vision of colonization on the moon, and that's going to take place in my lifetime.

Les: 1:01:20

Yeah, that's there's one channel I follow, and that they've been actually finding these tubes, these volcanic ancient tubes on the moon. They said that they could easily live in uh to gather protection from the cosmic rays. But you know, the funniest thing that really gets me is these people who think that we never went to the moon. And even these other countries who have been there now say, Oh, yeah, yeah, you you got there. You got there before we did.

Douglas: 1:01:41

So Yeah, yeah, yeah. I I can see it in the future. There's gonna be like a Automax lottery for $10 billion if you can find that golf ball. Yeah. One of the astronauts, I remember that A.

Les: 1:02:01

All right. Uh after a short break, we'll be back with uh our segment called uh the Time Machine.

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Les: 1:03:25

So, Doug, there seems to be a resurgence of interest in Vincent Van Gogh, or as they originally pronounced his name Van Gogh. Uh, he was a uh the so-called inventor of expressionism. Uh, what is your take on Vincent? What kind of a person was he? What was going through his mind? Was he uh prolific? Was he suffering? Was he in pain? What was going on with him?

Douglas: 1:03:46

Well, you know, like the the whole point of uh Vincent van Gogh as well as other people were they were uh my impression is that they were like he was sort of stuck, uh one one foot in heaven and one foot uh on earth. And so he was able to perceive, like a lot of people who have uh difficulties in the world, uh mentally challenged people, uh, they can perceive the inner dimensions between dimensions, and they they can see things uh that for us, normal vision, they um we can't see these dimensions and it's invisible to us. But people who have been um um who have studied psychologists who have studied people who are in institutions uh have found that they have high devi high degrees of metaphysical abilities. They're able to uh uh see uh in in between dimensions. And so I think that's what he was doing. And in some of those pictures, paintings, I should say, pardon me, uh he was able to uh uh draw these these images, the same as Helen Deslaggy, who was a very famous uh painter. She uh I met her personally uh at a show, and uh she she sold her um paintings for tens of thousands of dollars, and she was actually doing the same. She was uh a well-known artist, a very well-known person in her own life, and uh she was painting these pictures of these beings that were translucent or they were they they look like let's say uh uh pardon me for a very crude way of playing it, but like little children who put a blanket over their head at Halloween time and you get this draping effect. Uh, only these were in different colors. And I, you know, don't quote me on uh on exactly that if you if somebody has that painting or something, but it was be you know, this idea that people would be looking at uh people like him were looking at these dimensions within dimensions. It's kind of like my my teacher once told me if if there's dimensions upon dimensions, and and it's like if you look through them, they're like intermingled, they're trans uh uh translucent dimensions. But whatever dimension you're in, it's like a real place. For instance, right now where we're sitting, our our listeners or viewers, uh they could be sitting in another dimension in the same place they're sitting, and they're in the middle of a highway, and vehicles are going right through them, but they they're of different vibration rate, they can't uh can't find them or see them, right? So the the point being is what was in his mind, he he was in such pain. Uh the image I have is like he was half in his body and half out. His brain was half and half, half stuck in this world and the other half. Uh remember one of the talking points, Van Gogh didn't paint what he saw, he painted what he felt. It's a very famous line. And what he hoped the soul could remember, he saw through that veil, as I'm indicating. And so that's what made him so special because you know, intuitively we all know the spiritual realms ourselves. We just aren't familiar with them. We're kind of vague, we forgot them. Uh, but he was a visionary with a tormented soul. Again, I think the answer to the question, this is the point, is his soul hadn't completely migrated into the physical body.

Les: 1:07:38

Wow.

Douglas: 1:07:38

It's half in and half out. And that's why he walked the line between madness and transcendence.

Les: 1:07:46

You know, it was it was strange. When I saw his paintings, it's famous, it's called Starry Night. Everybody sees those boiling stars. And um, there was a time when I had an outer body experience. I was I found myself at night out in my backyard. I'm going, What am I doing out here? And I looked up at the stars and they were boiling, just like Vincent Van Gogh's painting. I thought, oh my god, I get it now. Um though those so those little squiggly things that he would like when you see like his beach paintings, you see these little squiggly were those entities that he was painting? Spiritual entities or things that he was seeing floating around on the other side?

Douglas: 1:08:21

I I would say yes. Nobody knows for sure what was in his mind, but I've seen some of his paintings, they look like parentheses. That's what you're referring to.

Les: 1:08:29

Yeah, little commas, a little astral, these little squiggly things.

Douglas: 1:08:32

Yeah, I've seen those myself uh up on the ceiling at night. I could see little dots like stars in the in the sky, and then I would see these parentheses moving across. I haven't done that for a while, but I've taught people how to do that in classes in bygone days. So it's a matter of looking up when everything's dark and you perceive the little sparkly lights, and then you might see these parentheses I'm calling, which are the squiggly lights you're you're referring to, as they go across. Uh, and I think that's exactly what he was doing. You know, he was he was a visionary and and he had this tormented soul because he was half in his body and half out. Can you imagine what it's like? The image I have in my mind is this you're half in a car, yeah, and you're half out of the car, and the car is roaring down the highway.

Les: 1:09:27

Yeah.

Douglas: 1:09:27

And you can feel uh the wind and the and the the sand in your face or whatever, the torment of being outside the car while the other half of your body's inside the car. That's the image I have now to describe what I'm trying to talk about. So, um, like many spiritual seekers today, he longed for this connection to God, of course, because he was half out. So he was halfway home, if you will, but he was stuck in the physical being in the other half in the physical world. So uh the one of the notes I hear is that he once studied to become a preacher before he started painting.

Les: 1:10:03

He did, yeah. He wanted to be a minister.

Douglas: 1:10:05

Yeah, so he wanted to get to understand God, he wanted to be close to God, and then something happened where he couldn't deal with this, something changed. I don't know if something physical happened, maybe had some more spiritual experiences, maybe was influenced by beings in higher dimensions. Um, but he's quoted as saying, I want to touch people with my art. I want them to say, he feels deeply, he feels tenderly. So, you know, Van Gogh was on this quest, you know, he didn't paint what he saw, he painted what he felt. And you know what that comes to mind is like somebody who's blind, and you're trying to express or teach a blind person what color looks like. You're trying to tell a blind person what color looks like or feels like. And I understand that people can do that. I mean, people have uh this some people have this phenomena when they hear music, they have this fluid array of video of color in their mind's eye. And they think everybody else does. And they're shocked when they find out people like me don't see that. But they do it all the time. So the brain, the mind, the system, all interconnected. Uh Van Gogh was on this mission to, with his art, teach people how to feel, and in particular, they he wanted them to know that he feels deeply and he feels tenderly. I'm not sure how to describe that to our listeners here tonight on what that means, because I'm having the trouble of trying to teach a blind person how to see color and attempting to understand what he felt. But he moved the world. He lived in pain, he lived in suffering. Uh pleasure was not uh part of his world. Why? Because he was a tormented soul, and my impression is, and you can quote me out there, that he was half in his body and half out of his body. He hadn't fully the soul hadn't taken on the full vibration of the body when he was born. Or possibly he had an out-of-body experience like you did, and he didn't quite get all the way back in.

Les: 1:12:32

Oh boy. I remember I think when he was in the asylum, they used to treat him with like caffeine or something like that, which was the last thing they should have done. The poor soul. Well, thank you for that. That was very interesting. That was uh, I'm sure our listeners really enjoy that.

Douglas: 1:12:46

Well, one of his most famous paintings uh uh was called The Starry Night. And it wasn't just a beautiful swirl of stars, it was a vision uh painted from the window of a sanatorium as Van Gogh looked up and tried to connect with the divine, again, sort of supporting the idea that he was half in and half out of his body. You know, the the the cosmic sky, the glowing moon, the pulsing stars all seemed to breathe with spirit. And he's he tried to connect them. You know, the the cypress tree connects earth to heaven, a spiritual ladder or or flame. And the village below sleeps unaware of the mystery overhead. So here on the soul report, we're giving you sort of this information about a starry night, a map of the soul in searching of a home, heaven above and chaos below, but always in light. And we think that's my impression is that's what Van Gogh was going through. Could be right, could be wrong. Why do you think there's a resurgence of interest in him now, Doctor? Because we're all halfway in and out of our bodies. We're going through this time of great travail. This is a time of chaos. Some people can't stand it. The pain is so great. And the world is crying out right now with the cruelty and the warfare and the indifference. You know, immigrants have been leaving their countries in Africa, going to Spain and into Europe. People in South America and Southern America and Latin America have been coming north to America and Canada. People have been going to Great Britain, people have been migrating into India and China. And you know, what's going on? Well, they're not happy at home because something really bad is going on. And so they're trying to look for a better life, not an economic better life like used to be. If you want to make a million dollars, you want to get on that yellow brick road, you go to America, and you're everybody's a millionaire. Everybody knows that all over the world, except the people in America. We're all just working stiffs, right? So but so but the idea was that we have to take care of each other. And and if there's a big problem why people are leaving their country, why isn't it that the politics, the most powerful people in the world, why don't they go to those countries and put those greedy, self-servient, dictator type people in their place and say, you take care of your people? I've said this years and years ago, I say it today. You are the leader of the country. Yes, you can, you know, step up to the trough and fill up and take advantage, but you have to take care of your people. And if you don't, we, the bigger nations being responsible for the world, we're gonna replace you. We're gonna find somebody else that really cares about their own people. If that could be done, the world would the immigration problem would stop overnight. There would be people who love their homeland, love their country, love to stay with their families, but they wouldn't be afraid in their own country. They wouldn't be financially raped, and they wouldn't be financially, emotionally, and call it spiritually, abused by the tyrants in their country. I mean, that's what can go on. I'm not going to digress too much about that, but I've been saying this for years. If I was president of the world, that's what I would do. I would go to the regional people in power and say, see me, I have all the power in the world, I have all the soldiers in the world under my command. And if you don't behave and you don't show me that you're qualified to be the president, the prime minister, the governor of your country, we're going to replace you and get somebody else. Maybe cousin Izzy or cousin Olive or Cousin Mary is going to be a better leader. We're going to put them in place. So shape up or ship out. The world would stop. The terror and the case, the pain and the suffering would stop in a moment. Because those guys that are greedy, guess what? They don't want to be out of power, out of privilege. Because when they're not in power and getting privilege and all those other wonderful things about being at the top of the food chain, what are they? They're nothing. And usually when people get booted out of power, tyrants and and and bad leaders, what happens to them? They fade away and they pass away soon thereafter. So I'm not not saying that's what I want. If I was the most powerful, if somebody, when I was a young man, asked me this question, and I and the answer he gave me was something different than what I'm giving, but I was shocked and never thought of it that way. But if there was one president of the world, and there could be someday, then everybody else could run their own country, their own way, their own religion, their own commerce, but it would have to be for the greater good of the country. And you know what? Looking back in history, the greatest uh prosperity in the world for those countries was run by a benevolent leader who did just that. They took care of their countries. That's where we're gonna go. But first we've got to get to this far extreme of letting these billionaires and the oligarchs and and these people who are raping everybody financially because they're afraid of losing their own uh prosperity. Perhaps I don't know for sure. I'm not one of them, I'm just a poor working guy. But if it was if we had that mentality, it would change just like that. I mean, we can see the logic of it, right? But corruption is the is uh leads to injustice, and injustice leads to poverty. Poverty and pain lead to warfare.

Les: 1:19:04

All right. Uh well the answer to riddle me this was a thought. If you remember the riddle.

Douglas: 1:19:13

I'll repeat it again.

Les: 1:19:15

I have no voice and yet I speak to you. I have no body and yet I am behind clothes. I am not alive and yet I can be born and remember, and I often guide you while you dream. What am I? A thought.

Douglas: 1:19:25

A thought. There you go. Very good.

Les: 1:19:27

We wouldn't give them a cliffhanger.

Douglas: 1:19:30

Oh yeah, we we wanted to let them know that we knew the answer before we uh, you know, gave them a remote. That we that we weren't just hoping somebody would answer that for us, you know. Like uh sorry.

Les: 1:19:42

Anyway, we have a question from Civil Farmer. Uh, does the Bible, oh, this is an interesting question. Does the Bible say anything about living in a world with AI workers are using AI and whether this is acceptable to use AI or is God's creation the only way?

Douglas: 1:19:58

That's about four questions in one, Nara, because I'm going like about answer. If I take that in summary, what does the Bible say anything about AI? Well, I, you know, Moses went up on the mountain and he got his version of AI. He came down with the tablets. God spoke to him. Okay. I mean, AI, that's superintelligence. Uh, Christ was getting divine information because he was talking to angels, and his disciples were scared stiff. They saw him talking to angels, and uh he came and said, What's the matter? And he said, I'm talking to the angels. You know, so he was getting divine uh information. So um what's the latter half of that question?

Les: 1:20:37

That uh well, does the Bible say anything about living in a world with AI workers or using AI and whether this is acceptable to use AI or is God's creation the only way?

Douglas: 1:20:48

Well, okay, like it doesn't specifically say AI in the Bible, but it talks about spiritual gifts, talking in tongues. It talks about clairvoyance, it talks about prophecy. So there's a higher intelligence that we're getting in contact with. But most often it's like how we deal with each other, how we take care of each other. That's what the the good books. There's several spiritual books, and that's what they're all teaching us how to get along with each other, how to help each other and help to deal with each other. Do do we need AI like this computer-driven source of information, or is it from the great beyond? Well, in biblical times it was from the great beyond prophecy. Uh, the the the leaders of the churches, if you will, the temples were all prophets, and so they were getting information from beyond, and they were using that to help people. I mean, if you want to look at it, like um what buttons was the Christ pushing when he took uh some samples of fish and some samples of loaves and fed thousands of people, so much so that there were seven baskets of garbage left over. And all they started off was a few loaves of bread and a few um. So, I mean, there's lots of people talking about the materialization effect, whatever, but the same as water into wine and things like that. But the the idea is that the Bible talks about us taking care of each other and working with what we have, being mindful of what we have, being grateful for what we have, and praying to God always uh in the way that we want things and need things, and that whatever we ask for is going to be given. You ask and you shall receive. However, there's two conditions to that. Ask for anything. But then you have to go and seek what you're looking for, your prayer to happen, and you have to go knock on doors. So you have to go ask people to help you. You have to do those two conditions to get whatever you pray for.

Les: 1:22:48

So, in other words, you're saying ask for the opportunity to get what you want.

Douglas: 1:22:52

No, it says ask and it shall be given. It doesn't say anything about limitations. But when you ask for something, then you have to be this is the teachings of me, is to be focused. Go and seek wherever you can find it yourself, and then go and ask everybody, knocking on doors. Most people fall down on the uh they kind of look haphazardly for whatever, uh, and then they kind of casually mention. I've seen this in action with two different people who needed a car, two of them at the same time, and they both did the same thing. They asked everybody they met if they knew where they could get a car. Then they went and they actually visited people. One actually went to a used car dealership, and the dealer gave him a used car to use for a while. Wow. Another one went to his son's girlfriend's mother's place, and she had an old car sitting out on the on the street that wasn't being used. He had to boost the battery up and pump up the tires, and he had that car. They both got cars within the same time frame for nothing, but they did the two things. They asked everybody they knew, and they went anywhere they possibly could to get a car. And that's the secret about getting anything you want. Not to give up, not to doubt, and say, I need a banana sandwich. I'm gonna get that banana sandwich. Do you know anybody that's got some bread and bananas? You go to a store and you say, I got no money, can I have can I have some bread and sandwich and bananas? And you keep, you might not get the the first time you might not get there, but the second or third time the boss says, Yeah, sure. Come on in, I'll give you a banana sandwich. And by the way, would you like to sweep up the back floor? I can give you uh in the back room, I can give you a couple of bucks too. So that's how prayer works. We all fall down and then we expect, you know, give me, give me, give me. Oh, God doesn't take care of me. How many times have we we know people in our life where somebody would say, and I've done this too, you offer somebody a job and they say, No, I don't I don't want to do that. You got no money. Well, I don't want to do that. Okay. So uh uh answer that's a long way to answer that question about what the Bible says about AI, but it's basically AI back in the old days was the connection, the spiritual connection with the divine. In the temples, the holy men. If you go to India these days, you'll find all over the country there are holy men and women. They are holy, they're not doubted that they might be seemed crazy, they don't wear any clothes for himself of some sex, they have no clothes, they want nothing, no material things, but they have divine communication. And so that's what we're looking for in ancient times or spiritual things this connection. We do meditation, contemplation, we uh attempt to get to higher spiritual realms by preparing ourselves with spiritual practices, which we teach at many mansions, uh, international ministries church. And then you get familiar with the energies, spiritual healing, telekinesis, and and the like. So, yes, the Bible has all those abilities. This was a little different back then than is now.

Les: 1:26:11

Well, you know, my take on it is a little different. You know, you and I both love aviation, we've both uh taken flying lessons. And I remember you've probably heard of the old adage of, well, you know, if man were meant to fly, he would have been given wings. And my thought was, well, if man wasn't meant to fly, he wouldn't have been given the brain to invent the airplane. So obviously, this is part of God's plan to use AI, it just it's just a tool, just like a gun. It can be used to hunt and gather food, or it can be used to protect you, it can be used to instill harm. So I guess it's all up to us.

Douglas: 1:26:44

Well, somebody told us about electricity. There was none of that not too long ago. Somebody told us about gas furnaces and oil burning furnaces, and that wasn't around too long ago. Somebody changed uh horsepower from horses with uh, you know, wagons and and uh bridles to horsepower that the internal combustion engine. So it's like everything else. So you know, the worst thing about the world uh that happened in the world was the internal combustion engine, which pollutes the world every day by millions of cars. The best thing about the uh automobile was that it was invented and we all get to move around and go anywhere we want, saved lives, trucks, fire engines, transportation. So, like all things of importance, it's a balance in this material world. Any more questions out there?

Les: 1:27:38

Yeah, we got one from Laveric Cruz from Facebook. Uh Douglas, what are your thoughts on today's education system, woke culture in schools, colleges, sexual contents in books, and movements like feminism and me too shaping young minds?

Douglas: 1:27:52

We'll be right back for next week's show. Listen, uh, you know, like when it gets into specifics that are so extreme like that, they this is this is something I we we all know we live long enough. I mean, and this is the thing, everybody remember this because uh when I heard it I didn't believe it either. But remember this you know saying what goes around comes around. Um if you tell somebody they can't have something, they will, when they get older, do everything in their power to get it.

Les: 1:28:27

True.

Douglas: 1:28:27

If you tell a child they cannot have a slingshot, you know, one of those things with a little Y in a and an alley, you tell me forbid them to not have it. The first thing that they they will get when they're able and capable of acting on their own, they'll get a slingshot thing. Or a gun or a car or whatever they whatever you say they can't do, they will do it because you're putting in front of them uh resistance and human nature is uh tell me I can't do it, and I'm gonna prove you wrong. That works really well for people who are really good managers, you know. They go to somebody and say, Well, I know Sam, this is a big machine, you know, the previous worker put on a hundred pieces an hour, might be a little too much for you, you know. Like, I don't know if you can handle it. You'd have to really learn, you know, and I don't know, I don't think you could do that. Oh, yeah, I can do that, I can do that. Are you sure? And and Sam says yes, and then he tries to prove the wrong the boss wrong by by seceding lot more than he thought he could. That's just that's a simple uh management technique. Okay, so moving forward to uh woke sexual stuff, uh books, whatever. Hey, see this thing in front of you? It's called the internet. You think those little seven year old, ten year olds aren't on the internet finding out all about this stuff you told them they can't see, they don't know, stay away from. They're out there right now. And and remember the teaching is the pendulum swings one way and It swings back way. And if you look back in history, people who would consume alcohol were at some point in their society told that alcohol was forbidden. Look at the states when they went through prohibition. Oh my God.

Les: 1:30:16

They created the gangster. Yeah.

Douglas: 1:30:18

It went the pendulum went one way, and guess what? It came back. Now, I'm going to use uh because I'm familiar in Texas on the Wichita Trail and the cattle drives. All the cowboys were driving the cattle north and they would get the towns. They would get their paycheck. They would go into the towns and they'd whoop it up at the local entertainment places, including the bars and other places, and uh they'd move on. Well, the towns became prosperous, and people moved to town, and then they said, We need a school, we need a church, and now what we don't need is a bunch of drunken cowboys out on the street, down at the local entertainment place, down at the bars. We don't want that here. And okay, so what happened? The cattle drive moved on up the up the trail, another 10 miles to the next house, the next town, and that prosperous town that was created withered and died. Yeah. Because there's no conference. So the pendulum swing one way or the other. So what's the answer? Tolerance. Don't be afraid of what the kids are going to learn or not learn. Because I guarantee all this uh uh book burning and denialing of uh of information and a reinvention of history, those little kids are gonna say, So I can't have a slingshine, you just watch me. You can't I can't get those books on sex, you just watch me. Yeah, you uh you you tell me I can't whatever. So the the idea it's for me being an older man and and seeing this, having this played out before, it's kind of humorous in a sad way that the the people that are saying our kids aren't going to do this, we're not gonna allow them to do that, they are programming their children to do exactly what they say they don't want the children to do. Now, I'm not talking about manners, getting along with each other, living life that's perfectly uh wonderful. But here's the ticket children learn by example. So if mommy and daddy are full of hate and suspicious and afraid, the kids are gonna learn that too. So watch out what you teach your kids by example. So I've wondered a little bit from the question, but it's a very important one because the answer is so simple that you tell somebody they can't do something, they are going to do it. You tell somebody they cannot have something, they are going to get it as soon as they can. So moderation by example, understanding, you know, like if somebody if some somebody likes apple juice and you don't, well, that's who cares? Let them drink their apple juice. You don't have to go on a crusade to stop apple juice from being sold in stores.

Les: 1:33:09

Okay, I mean I might be overly simplistic, uh, but that's the that's the way you kind of brought the show full circle, Doug, because we started in the beginning of the show talking about how you know, like when my mom didn't want me to eat any chocolate and she said, Go ahead, have the whole bag. She wanted me to learn and I got sick as a dog.

Douglas: 1:33:26

That's right. That's right. If you if you want your kids to learn how to be, you know, think about that. If you want your kids to learn how to be happy, teach them 360 degrees about life. Don't try to don't try to teach your kids what you think they ought to learn because what you're doing is you're teaching them things that you made mistakes at and you don't like about yourself, so you're trying to teach your kids to stay away from those things. And any psychologist, any anybody who knows about children will tell you they have to make their own mistakes. They have to. And if you try to, if you try to, you know, like sequester a child so they're isolated and they don't make mistakes, what you're doing, pardon me for saying this, but you're creating a rather vulnerable, moronic type of person who is going to be susceptible to anybody's persuasion, anybody's commands, anybody's uh power over them. What you want is a kid that doesn't mind getting its hands dirty, knows that if you get your clothes dirty, you gotta wash them in the washing machine. Anyway.

Les: 1:34:36

Anyway, our final question for tonight uh is from Marilyn, and she wants to know uh how do I know in this time of extremes, uh, am I fulfilling my purpose in life?

Douglas: 1:34:46

Are you breathing? You're fulfilling your purpose. Right there. Life and purpose is experience of life. Experiencing life. You live your life outside, you spend your life inside. So, do you want to go and learn how to ride horses? Go and do it. Yes, but I might fall off and get hurt. Well, but you want to learn how to ride a horse? Yes, I oh, I can't hardly wait. Well, take some lessons first. That's a guarantee that you might not get hurt. But if you want to jump on that horse, go right to it. But remember you're taking an unnecessary chance. You gotta you need a little coaching or teaching. So the answer is are you fulfilling your purpose? Are you happy? Remember, happy is the result of something else. Are you doing something that makes you happy? That's the secret. Are you curious about life? Are you surrounding yourself with likable people? Remember, if you're not like somewhere, don't go there. Stay away from it. Are you fulfilling yourself that you feel satisfied, that you feel accomplished, that you've done something that you feel good about doing? Whatever it is, it can be really, really hard or it can be really, really simple. So the criteria comes down to understanding nobody is responsible to make you happy, you are responsible to make yourself happy. And how do you know you're you're you're fulfilling your purpose? You're breathing. You're just living your life and you're doing okay. Now, you might be a high achiever, you might be a low achiever, but at least you're achieving. But are you happy? And as such, if you are, then you'll face challenges and difficulties in your life knowing that God provided them. How many of us less go and say, Oh God, I I pray for wisdom, I want to be the wise, oh please, I want to have wisdom. The answer to that is you're gonna meet the dumbest people in the world. You're gonna have to deal with them all so that you'll get wisdom on how not to deal with them or how to handle them. Oh, I want strength, God, please, I need strength. I want to be so okay. More problems to that one, Metatron. She's asking for strength. Give her a whole bunch of problems to solve so she's gonna be stronger. I went through those questions. I'm making fun of it, but the point is this you ask for something, and to get it, you have to earn it. Period. You want strengths, you're gonna have to do problems. So I know I want to know how to have a really easy, relaxing life. I just want to know how to do that. I want to have, you know, God Almighty, I want to learn how to be so easy and calm and peaceful. And so God's gonna give me what easy, peaceful, kind things to do. I'm being a little a little um uh comedic about it, but the point is this uh if you're breathing, you're you're living your life and you are succeeding because you're experiencing life. If you don't like what you're doing, change. In the in the Christian Bible, it says Christ said, if you don't like your right arm, if it offends you, cut it off. Wow, that sounds terrific. Okay, that's the answer, amputation. For everything, okay? That isn't what he meant. He meant something's offensive to you, even though you like it, get rid of it. I was wearing a watch once and it put a put a red thing on my on my wrist. And um, I wore it all the time, and I was constantly moving it. And I was talking to the baroness one day, and she said, She said, What's the matter? I said, Oh my my wrist, it's it's the it's the metal, it's flaking a little bit, and it's everything. She said, Well, why are you wearing it? I was wearing it because it was sentimental, I've had it for a long time, but it was bothering me. So there you go. That's a prime example of if something's bothering you, dispose of it, get rid of it, avoid it, and go only where things are making you happy. But you know less, human nature is such, we don't like the easy way. We like the hard way. If you notice that, my friends, you'll always do the hard thing. You won't do the easy thing. Oh no, no, no. I play solitary, I win all the time. I want to learn, I want to learn how to play play poker, and you lose your shirt playing poker, but go back to solitary, you get the satisfaction because you can do it easy. We are creatures of habit, but we have bad habits. And I'm talking about bad habits, meaning we always seem to want to do things the hard way.

Les: 1:39:56

Yeah.

Douglas: 1:39:57

Wise people go, let's see, I can live on the tenth floor of that wonderful penthouse building up there, or I can go across the street and live on that first floor of that uh moderate, medium-sized place. Let's see. Walk up 10 floors, elevator, moving, walk across the street, walk in front level. I think I'll take the one on the on the first floor. So says the wise person.

Les: 1:40:22

It's interesting. There was an analogy I just came to mind. I had a friend of mine, her and her partner, they were traveling through Italy and they were driving, and they came across this cute little Italian restaurant. And uh, just to wrap up the show with this little story, um, the uh they went into this cute little Italian restaurant and they walked, they sat down to this cute little table and they asked for a menu. So the waiter, long, you know, couple with a big mustache and a typical Italian waiting. He comes over and goes, so they say, We'll have this, this, and this. And he said, No. Okay, well, then we can can we'll have this, this, and this. And he went, No. So they said, Well, what can we have? He said, I'm gonna make you a delicious antipasta, you're gonna have the local wine, it'll be delicious. And I'll bring it right up. So I said, How did it go? She said, It was delicious, and the wine was fabulous. So they finally asked him, Why did you give us a menu? He said, Because you asked for a menu. Talk about life, huh? What's the matter, you? You wanted a menu, I gave you a menu. I thought of myself, but that's a great analogy for life. Uh well, next week uh up-and-coming shows will be talking more about uh interesting things such as Nikola Tesla, and we'll be covering things like the Bermuda Triangle as far as mysteries and unexplained. Any final thoughts on today's show, Doug?

Douglas: 1:41:41

Watch out, it's gonna be cold. Uh my trees, my cherry tree in the back room is already uh back room, backyard is already losing the leaves. Uh, predictions that I've come across here and there, uh willy-nilly, is that looks like we're gonna have an early fall and it's gonna be cold. Um, pray for the people that are being uh uh cruelly treated around the world and do whatever you can to help. And remember, you know, what you give out comes back to you. And uh, whoever wins that $1.1 billion, would they please remember me and their prayers and maybe contribute to the show about 10%, you know, a little tithing. We would love to have that. Uh um, that's our prayer. Uh, we're asking everybody should they win the lottery, that they'll help support us. Otherwise, when we get our brand new Soul Report, uh, what can we call that? Mascot or icon uh cup that that Les has designed, spent hours and hours and hours sweating over um a hot stove. We'll probably have them here next week for you, and uh we'll we'll let you know where you can get them. My website is triple douglasjamescultural.com. Please buy my books. I have uh some sitting in my storage that just are looking for a nice home. They're orphaned, they want to be loved, and they want to sit on your bookshelf uh and be comfortable and welcomed. And of course, it'll be a good read. Oh, yeah, very good read.

Les: 1:43:11

I can assure you of that. Very good read.

Douglas: 1:43:13

Yeah, here on the here on the soul report, we're really happy that you've joined us, my friends. You know, uh uh we're here to be of service to you. So we want you to uh let us know how we can help you, what we can do for you, and and if you can, you know, take the uh the soul report and and spread it around to your friends, we would really like it. I mean, basically, we're here to be of service to you. So if you can, you know, uh uh let it let everyone know that we're out here and we're available and that we're uh uh we're here for you on the Soul Report Live. Uh this brings us to an end of another Soul Report, but not to the end of the journey. If anything stirred your heart tonight, if a thought, a memory, or even a dream rises after this show, that could be a little bit of that energy given off to the show tonight. Follow it. This is your spirit speaking to you. Remember, the spirit speaks through dreams and visions and visitations and through meditation. Remember, you are not here just to survive this world. You are here to transform it. One loving act, one truthful voice, and one sacred breath at a time. Please take a moment to subscribe, like, and share this epistle with someone who needs to hear it. You'll find us on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, X, and TikTok under my name Douglas James Guttrell. I'm uh saying goodnight tonight uh with my good friend and host Les Hubert and our uh wizard behind the curtain, Jack Baelick. Uh we call him the Wizard of Oz for short, and he is amazing at what he does in producing this show. Until next time, stay aware, stay kind, and stay connected to the truth within you. This has been the Soul Report Live with Doug and Les and Jack. Good night, my friends. God bless.

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