Working out the Kinks with Tash the Doula
My name is Tash and I have many roles in life. I'm a doula. An herbalist. An advocate. I'm also a wife, sister, daughter, aunt, and friend. My goal is to have some real and honest conversations I just want people to know you're not alone. Personally, I went through different situations in life, feeling like I was the only one having bad thoughts, and when I finally started opening up, I realize I was one of many. Follow me on Instagram: @tashthedoula
Working out the Kinks with Tash the Doula
Doula to Doula: Zana's Insight on Nurturing New Life and Families
When Zana, a beacon in the realm of childbirth assistance and owner of Zion Doula Services, recounts her transformation from a medical assistant to a full-time doula, you can't help but feel the passion behind her calling. Her journey is a vivid illustration of dedication and the profound impact of following one's heart into the world of birth work. Alongside Zana, we traverse the emotional landscape of doula responsibilities, from offering unwavering support during pregnancy to fostering autonomy during childbirth, and even the importance of nourishing the body and soul after the baby arrives.
Every birth story is a unique narrative, ripe with its challenges and triumphs, and this episode paints a broad stroke across the canvas of birthing experiences. We engage in conversations that demonstrate how doulas navigate intricate client relationships and the ethics of their practice, particularly the delicate matter of continuous care from prenatal to postpartum stages. Zana shares her insights into the crucial role of childbirth education, empowering expectant parents to advocate for their birthing plans and exploring the profound influence of the healthcare system on the birth process.
Culminating in a discussion on the spiritual and healing practices intertwined with birth work, we examine unconventional methods like placenta encapsulation and the creation of restorative soups, underscoring the holistic approach to postpartum care. Zana's voice adds depth to our understanding of the doula's role, not just in the physical act of birthing, but in the emotional and relational shifts that accompany this transformative time. Join us as we celebrate the sacred journey of childbirth and the doulas who are committed to supporting families through every step of this natural and powerful experience.
Welcome, guys, to another episode of Working Out the Kings, the Podcast. We are here today with Zaina. She is the owner of Zion Dula Services. She's going to go ahead and tell her story of how she became a Dula in this segment of Dula to Dula. So gone, girl Peace everybody.
Speaker 2:I am Zaina, of course, the owner of Zion Dula Services. I have been a birth worker for 18 years. Birth work has been a part of my life since I can remember. I would say at least 12 years old when I had my first birth experience, but then also before that, I was always fascinated with birth. I would be that kid in the room watching some type of birth video.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure why I loved birth. I just knew that it was a calling for me. It was something that kept coming up into my space, coming up into my life, and it's something that I just wasn't. I wanted more of. I wasn't. I got pregnant really young, so my goal was to be an OBGYN.
Speaker 2:I didn't know too much about me with free. I also didn't know too much about a Dula what a Dula is? There was no word to what I was doing when I was serving families. It was just like oh, call Zaina because she's pretty calm. And then I was a medical assistant. I worked with netwives and doctors, so I was pretty educated on certain things that happened in the birth space. So everybody called me, everybody called me for everything when it came down to birth reproductive STDs. So I just became that person in the family that everybody would call for birth and I just that was just a part of me, it was natural for me. So, 18 years later, and I'm doing it now full time. So this is what I do full time. I don't have a full time job anymore. This is my work, my life's work.
Speaker 1:That is so awesome Because I remember you were still working at like an office when I first met you, and now you're just completely full time.
Speaker 2:Full time Because I mean, I literally I couldn't. I needed birth, like I needed to breathe. That makes sense. Yeah, I think because I am more of I'm shifting my work in this birth work game where I'm now I'm shifting to midwifery, but I just couldn't do it anymore. I felt like why would I put my life, my life, work, my passion, the love on as a hobby or something to do on the side? Right, I was like I'm going to have to jump out there. But it's very scary, right it is. It's very to know that you go. You go from getting a paycheck every week, I'm going to get this paycheck every week. I don't have to think about it. But now when you're shifting and you're saying like, okay, it's like your own install building, and you're like, okay, I'm going to jump and I'm going to make it to this parachute, right, to kind of like balance myself so I won't get hurt, but you kind of like, you kind of like don't care at this point, like I'm going to jump and whatever happens happens.
Speaker 2:But it took me a while, years, to get there and I just remember waking up saying I can't do this anymore. I got to the point to where I was working in the clinic, I was so nasty and mean to the people I was so like, just, I had no, because I was in a toxic environment too, where I you know, where we were dealing with a lot of people that don't look like me and they were over the same certain things, and I had no. I had got to the point to where I had no control to say something. Right, I had no control to be like oh, you think you're going to talk to me like that, but let me, you know, let me see what I have to say. So when I realized that I was getting depressed, I was like what are you going to do? You're going to jump or you're going to keep just standing outside the building? What are you going to do?
Speaker 2:And something happened at work and I was like I'm done, I'm done, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this. And I'm telling you I was so scared I remember being dry mouth. What did I do? Like, what did I do? You know, because you know birth work is, you can be a hustle, like there's a hustle, like you got to get out there and put your name out there. You got to go visit these people in South City. So you have to get yourself out there. And so I mean, at that point I wasn't as popular as I am now, but you know, I had to get out there and put myself out there and I was like, look, nothing, I had never been, was no poem. I'm going to have to do what I got to do. I have to do what I got to do and you know, in the multi-spirit my ancestors, we just all got together and we just collectively said this is what has to be done.
Speaker 2:You know, and it took. You know it took a while. I'm not going to lie and say I wasn't scared. Right, I was scared. And there was time when my business slowed up and I didn't know how I was going to pay my bills. That was a thing. But I had to sacrifice that because this is what I love. Like I had to be able to say you know what, if I don't go on this journey, if I don't go, you know, if I don't go on this journey right here, then what am I doing? Like you, this is a journey, like you know, you're not going to jump out again, everything going to be taken care of. So you've got to get off the mud, and that's what I did.
Speaker 1:That's amazing Because, I have to admit, there's definitely that moment where there's like almost every week, every day, it's just like, yeah, what I'm supposed to be doing right now, this is it right. And then you know, and then you have that client, and then it just feels like, yeah, this feels right, right.
Speaker 2:This is one thing I never had to question. I never had to question was this walk for me? I never. When I question was why am I waiting? What are you doing? Like? What are you doing? Like you're going puncture clock you letting people tell you when you can use the bathroom, when you can. You know there's patients in a room and you have to go from room to room. Like I never questioned myself as a birth worker. I really questioned myself is are you going to continue to be a worker B? Are you going to do your thing? You know, I think birth work, when it's when it's an ancestral calling, it's like it's undeniable, like you can't even there is undeniable, like things, when things fall into place and you meet people and things happen, it's like I belong here, okay. It's like that reassurance, like that confirmation, like when it said one or two agree, then you know that it's for you and that's just what it was.
Speaker 2:And I think I think, by all of the things happening prior to me, even my job was. I have been talking to a lot of my births and I'm like then the client, like I can't tell them anymore and my mentee, she finished. She was the first person to finish my mentor program, my mentorship program, and she, she's such a wise little soul. Every, every time we talk, you're still working, you're still working. She always made me think about it because I think she knew, I think she knew, like man, you, a beast, people love you. You got the spirit of whatever ancestors that's here into my spirit. I don't know, I don't know. I'm the only one in my family that's a birth worker. So that spirit comes from somewhere. You know I do. I do know that on my dad's side I have a I had a great great I think it was a great great great grandmother that was a midwife. So you know, um, yeah, so I never that's one thing I never questioned.
Speaker 1:I never questioned me as a birth worker, but I definitely questioned me being a worker bee, like you know not having to say what to do and what you can't do, and I have to admit that's the one thing that is hard for me, because I don't think I'm at that space yet to just like jump out of work and just do this full time. I'm not quite there yet. I'm still super, super fresh. However, there's definitely those moments when I'm just like at my job, I'm just like I haven't used the bathroom in five hours, yeah, yeah, and it's like, good Lord, this is not natural, this isn't.
Speaker 2:No, absolutely not, Absolutely not. But listen to me, it took me. So when I again, I was a doula way before I knew there was a word to it, right? I didn't know what it was.
Speaker 2:I just know, I'm always just somebody they wouldn't do, every holding their hand, you know, breathing with them. I'm always in the family members, just friends, you know. So I didn't even know that was a name to what I was doing until at that job Listen to this. This was, this was very, very powerful. That's how I knew that I was like okay, this is, this is the path here. I was working in podiatry and you know that's definitely different from you know, that's so different, so vastly different. I went from working with midwives to working with podiatrists. To be honest, they paid more. To be honest, that's what it was about, and I was. I was clipping this lady's nails and I had never seen this grand, her granddaughter. That was with her, she was my, and when she would come in she was like I want Zana, so I'm doing her nails, I'm doing her nails. Her daughter looks, her granddaughter looks at me and she says do you like your job? And I said, yes, okay. She said what would you? What would you really, really want to do? This woman didn't know me from anywhere. That was my first time seeing her and I had been working with her grandmother for years and she was like I said well, me personally, I would love to work. I would love to work side by side with a doctor or a new wife and a person. I would love to be, you know, a support person for pregnant, for pregnant mamas. I said, but my goal is midwifery. I said, but I really, really do want to stop getting myself back into the labor and delivery room, you know. And she said, oh, like a doula Now, this was in 2016.
Speaker 2:And I said like a who? And I said, oh, that's a, so I it immediately. I wrote it down, right, and she said, well, my sister just finished the training with Sister Nicole in New Orleans. She's a midwife. And I was like, okay, write that down for me and I'm going to check it out. I typed in Sister Nicole no, but it was Sister Midwife Productions and she popped up. I was like that's my person, I'm going. So I saved up them five. I think it was like five and a half dollars. I saved up that money. I was like I'm taking it and that's it. I'm not looking back. And that was my introduction into what a doula really was and how to get started by doing, you know, an actual training. So I went to her in 2017.
Speaker 2:I think we did like a 10 week, but at that time it was in person, so it was very deep. Oh my God, changed my life. That program, oh my God, the training changed my life. Everything was, it was. It just was never, never been in the space of you, like, this is my people, this is where I'm supposed to be, and that's what it was. It wasn't even just on birth, so it's just shifting the way that you think. You think, you know, you know, and that's what it did for me and it was like a aha moment. This is you, you know, and that's how I got introduced to what a doula was. I had been doing it for so long.
Speaker 2:So now I'm like, oh, so now I get into this training and I'm going to talk about job or education. We're talking about breastfeeding. We're talking about the spirit to walk, you know. We're talking about domestic islands. We're, you know, let's do the whole. We're a whole bunch of things in one, Like we do it all. We, the therapist, we, the sister, you know, we, the, we could be the partner, we, you know, we are the whole bunch of things at one time. And, you know, getting into that and realizing that this is deep, this is not just about holding somebody's hand and breathing with them. This is really really deep.
Speaker 2:And the more we talked about, you know, that spiritual connection with birth work, it was just like, okay, this is why I used to be 12 or 13 years old watching a birth story. Like, why are you watching that? Like you know I, oh, it had to be something surrounded by birth and I remember just watching the episode after episode after episode after episode is like this is beautiful, Um, but it was a deeper dive into what doolers do and it literally changed my whole everything when it came down to how to serve my people and knowing what my target audience was, you know how to promote myself, all of the things, and I'm grateful for that. You know that training because I do know that they have trainings out here that's three days, four days, you know, and it's like, hey, you can be okay if that's what you're doing it on that level of a business. But but that training was so deep that it just shifted. It just shifted everything that I thought I knew about birth and how to serve and, you know, and be with families.
Speaker 1:I'm glad you said that, um, because the work we do is community based. Yeah, it is very much like anybody who I have worked with so far. I have grown a friendship with them.
Speaker 1:Yes, I know that it's got to do with it, I would say spiritually changing time Very vulnerable too, and you're very vulnerable in that moment and it's like how do you not grow a connection with these people? And there are some doulas out there who literally just like I see you here, I see you there, I'm on call for X amount of weeks. And then after that, if there's something past the baby being here, whether or not I can reference you to someone else to speak to, my job is done and I'm just like whoa. My God, how can you just cut someone off?
Speaker 2:like that, oh my God.
Speaker 1:After seeing them in such a vulnerable moment and at one point I kind of wondered, am I just too emotional for this? And I'm like, oh, I'm in the right space, You're in the right, yeah. Yeah, and this is crazy to me, but you know, it is what it is. It's just not for me just to cut somebody off there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I know that we have doulas that's broken into columns, right, like you know or specializations, like I do postpartum better than I do labor delivery, or I do preconception, you know, and so some people are more, are good at you know one thing and they are another. But as a doula, we are full spectrum. Right, we are full spectrum, we do it all. But I also know that if you're not gonna serve from the root of to the tooter, I don't know, I don't know, like I don't know how you know how that, how you can do that, but I do know that they do have people that's like, hey, I'm only doing labor and delivery, you know, I can give you whatever. I've heard that before and that's a disservice, because now what happens is what you think happened with that postpartum. They have a hormone boost of all over the place, right, they used to be in with you. We did childbirth education, we did comfort measures, we did massage, we did all the things we did labor and delivery. You see my who I open up to. Yes.
Speaker 1:Hello, I say, if I see in your who how we are friends now.
Speaker 2:Come on, we are like this my girl Okay, that'd be cool, you know, and so, and then after, I'm so sorry, my dog is doing something. He don't have no business, but don't worry about it, I can, I'll deal with him. But, like, you got to be able to serve, you got to be able to serve these people, because postpartum is a weird time for moms and don't talk, we're not even talking about that. These people already had depression prior to, anxiety prior to, so their attention to having postpartum through this order goes up about 30%, right, and so it's like, okay, now I got to get to know somebody else that probably could not be my people. I'm comfortable with you, but I'm being shifted over. That's why it's great when you have, in your interviews, you tell people your limitations, so you can give them that you know the opportunity to say, well, hey, this is not, yeah, this is not what I want. You know, type, deal, I'll go to the next person.
Speaker 1:That's real and else and it you have to be. What's the word I'm looking for? I guess open. I'm just gonna say open to everything Because, you know, maybe if you do have like restrictions of what you're able to do, at least then you can be like your client. This person can be like you know what I like you, I like what I've seen online, but I need a little bit more, like some people. Like some people. They actually need more help postpartum than prenatal.
Speaker 2:Then they prenatal.
Speaker 1:that's it, you know. So if that's the case and they need to be with someone who's gonna help them when they need the most help, that's it.
Speaker 2:That's it. That's it, that's facts. Yeah, you know, and then also like, like that's your people too. Like are you my people? You know, cause? I had a transition where I was, I was serving everybody. Like anybody do an interview with me, oh yeah, remember your doula. You can't even do that today. You can't get me to do that today, the moment I feel like, hmm, something is off.
Speaker 1:I will say. I will say, personally, I don't think. Maybe cause it was the person who it was. I don't think I'm great at being a backup doula unless I have met this person already once. That's it Cause I had a situation once and this is the only time this has happened to me. I had a girl who I was backing up for and she was at a bird so she couldn't leave and she asked me to take over her client. So I was, so I went to the birthing room and this is like, hey, I kind of met her once during like an interview, but she didn't pick me, she picked the other girl. So, and I only think she even remembered me, but I remembered her, yeah, so I'm trying to just like jump in and I'm trying to like guess what's your comfort measures and what are?
Speaker 1:you comfortable with and I'm like we don't have any type of relationship.
Speaker 2:So I don't really know.
Speaker 1:So I'm trying to figure out what works for you, and this is the only time I've ever had a person who I worked with curse me out and I felt so disrespected and I was like, wow, Like this is and like I know, I've never had birds. I can't say the amount of what people go through when they're in that moment, but I've never had a client curse me out. Yeah, like cause, I guess you know I was trying to use like words of like affirmations and she was not with it.
Speaker 1:But I'm like, how do I know you're not with it when I've never met him?
Speaker 1:Right, I'm trying to figure out where we stand. And then you know she had a wonderful birth. Like you know, we did all the things that she needed and like her husband was really nice and sweet. And then you know her husband had to bring up to her like, hey, you know, you did curse her out, like she was like you know, did I do anything wrong? Do I did anything bad? And he was like, well, yeah, you cursed her out. And then she was like, oh, I'm so sorry, I don't even remember. And I'm just like, do you really, or are you just comfortable in that moment because you could?
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:It really meant to be fair. She's the only person I've never like developed a relationship with.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because she wasn't actually my client so what our thing was said and done.
Speaker 1:it went back to, you know, like the postpartum that went back to the original duela.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and you know, the backup thing is so weird to me too, like I'm just getting this year, I'm just getting into the whole. I'm really not still into it. I'm not into it. However, you know, if I am working with somebody because I do work with a colleague as well now and I do my own and if you know, if I'm on backup and I need to talk to this person, right, I need to have a conversation with this person, because I just don't think that is a I don't. I don't want to say the wrong thing, but I just don't. The whole backup thing is weird to me, and I'm seeing that because when you're in community with these mamas, right, these families, you build relationships, you build trust, right, and you have seen this person since 12, 13 weeks, and now here's the birth, and the person that I've grown this connection with is not there. They're going to bring somebody else on. They don't sit right with me, they just don't. And I know that, hey, you know some people they OK with it, but I just can't do that.
Speaker 2:So what I do is I kind of like, bring my mentee on right. Like my mentee, she comes with me, I go with her to her freedom so we can build this relationship where we're in, you know, so it's safe. But instance, hey, you know I can't, maybe I'm at another birth or whatever. Whatever is happening. You got somebody that you also connected with. Like just to show up out of one visit or out of one Zoom meeting is just bizarre to me, but it happens.
Speaker 2:But then I also schedule. Well, right, I don't do more than three, I'm only doing three births a month. Right, and those three births a month, my mentee is going to be at my pre-meetings with me, especially if she have people, because we kind of coordinate our days with each other or our gestation days with each other. So if she has somebody that's closer, I'm like, ok, we can tag, see me do it. We got to do it in build community with these families together and so they are comfortable with you, if you know. But just to just pop up and be like, hey, I'm taking over for time, no, no, I can't get with that new wave. I can't. I can't get with that, that's not a thing. And also I don't look myself like crazy.
Speaker 2:I was going to say People think I do a lot of births, it'd be like you're going to be rolling. I say it looks like I'd be rolling because you see me post out on delivery or whatever. But if you can, if you actually go back and see sometimes I don't hit my three births a month. I don't hit that all the time, but when I do I'm out for the count like this month no births, because I did three already for a month before I got to regroup myself. I got to be able to replenish myself.
Speaker 1:And that's what I wanted to ask you about, because I mean, you have been doing this for like 18 years. How do you not have the burnout? And I'm assuming it's because you only take so much a month.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then also, I don't over. I'm not a people pleaser, right? So I'm not a person that's going to be like overly doing things for my clients Like I didn't I'm not going to lie when I started out man listen, when I thought that I was such a little I'll make your appointments for you, I'll do these things and just overly doing things and just wearing myself out. But when I had a reality check two years ago, I was like you going to be in this game Because going around you, going baby, you're not going to be in this game. We got a quick burnout in what we do. So it's like I make sure I spend time with myself.
Speaker 2:So I did three births back to back. I was supposed to do, I was supposed to be going postpartum, but it came out that we didn't work and we didn't work out. So I'm like OK, this was a reason for me to take a break and that's what I did. So if I do three the next month, I may not do any, because I got to replenish myself. I got to serve the mamas that need postpartum that I just did a delivery with a few weeks ago. So I got to go check up on my postpartum mamas, I may cook a whole meal and go bring it to our family.
Speaker 2:So there are things that I do with my people. That is something that we do for each other, like that is just my people. So you have to be able to replenish yourself and share space with yourself. Take you some breaths, get you some rest. You don't have to be nothing extravagant, like going to get your nails done. You don't have to do those things. You don't have to, but definitely share space with yourself. Take some breaths, realize, like sit down and just like decompress.
Speaker 2:What did I just witness? What does it happen? Depending upon a birth that you had right? So I try to do as much self-care as I can, because this work is my life's work. I ain't going to burn out, I ain't going to let it happen. I'm not going to let it happen. And then I'm shifting over to me with free next year, so I have a free self, thank you. I have a beautiful priestess who I've been working with for the last couple of years, so I'm doing births with her, and then I'm doing births with my mentee, so I'm always doing some things with. That's what I'm going to say. Hey, y'all, I'm good, I need a break. I know how to say that. I didn't used to. Now I do All right.
Speaker 1:So, speaking of mid-referring, because last season we had Shay come on and she kind of went, like you know, at home it were free and how that's kind of different from working with a midwife in a hospital Very.
Speaker 2:So it was very, very different.
Speaker 1:So I'm assuming you're going the at home route, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Yes, absolutely. Hospitals listen, the hospitals has got me in a chokehold right now, like I'm at the point to where and I know that 98% of people are still having babies in the hospital Right, so it's getting to the point to where next year I may shift out of the hospital. To be honest, it's getting more bizarre, it's getting more taxing on my spirit. Hence why I have to take a whole month off, hence why I need that we're at the birth Two, three days. I'm out Emotionally. I got to replenish myself Because you watch your people, not that they treat it bad, because I have great relationships with midwives and doctors and nurses, but it's the whole mechanical thing, right.
Speaker 1:It is mechanical. When you watch it, you're watching them.
Speaker 2:Just hear this. Hear go side attack for four hours, hear go serve a deal for so many hours, hear go for toast and hear go the foley balloon. And you're watching them physically interrupt a physiological birth, personal experience. And you, like y'all are so in my mind. I'm like y'all are lost, you know. And so when they do see a mom come in and they are seven centimeters, they're like, oh my God, what's going on? We got to do so.
Speaker 1:It's like Put this out, and put this out, and put this out.
Speaker 2:It's like y'all don't understand if y'all just take a freaking breath, if y'all just leave these numbers alone and let them burst. I promise you is going to change and shift your whole way of thinking. But it's a system that they're in and so when you're in a system and, like you know, I have people say all the time like hey, but then you, you need it there, you know, or you need to be a midwife in a hospital, listen to me, you're a part of the system the system will eat you up and spit you out, because it's a thing that you're doing every day. Right, you're in this, you're in this tunnel of checking on this patient, giving them silo, take, giving them, put those in and this is a real current over and over and over, and become like breathing for you.
Speaker 2:I don't want that. I don't need that in my space and I don't want that for my mom More specifically, my black mom is. That's why I serve. It'll never come a time where I will ever desire a hospital education for as having my babies in the hospital, for as being a midwife. I will never desire that. That will never be something that I ever desire.
Speaker 1:No, I mean it makes sense, because I mean every person is different, every situation is different, but when you're in the hospital setting, everybody's treated the exact same.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 1:It's like you know, you know it's gonna happen by clockwork. Like yeah, the last client, like she, was like so how's this gonna work? So I'm like oh, let me tell you something like so first we're gonna come in, they're gonna move the car, they gonna do this on the car. They're gonna do this. I'm gonna put this underneath you. It's gonna look like a little ziplock bag.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And literally like clockwork, it happens Exactly.
Speaker 2:And listen. We understand that women bodies in their system, in which the, in a way that they carry babies, have babies, are so different, mm, hmm. And so to put a bunch of women in this system where it's not individualized at all, it's like you get this and everybody get the same thing. Something is bound to happen. Something is bound to happen because the side of tech, do to somebody else, you know, do the same thing to me, versus. So it's like something is bound to happen. So that's why we have all these traumatic stories and deaths and things like that. And then also, education is key. Education is key. That's why, for me, my mom was childbirth education is recommended. You can't even sign with me. You got to have childbirth education and I ain't gonna ask you too many times about it. If we have a conversation and hey, I'm saying childbirth education, I sent you the office this week for childbirth education, the next period of visit, we don't discuss it. You tell me oh, I didn't go. Oh, but we must not be, we must not be community with each other. Something or no, like what's happening for me.
Speaker 2:I'm a do that gets a. I go to the spirit. What's going on with you? Well, you're not. You're not complying with certain things, because I want you to know what I know. I don't want to have to tell you that's the problem that we're having. I don't want to have to tell you to do this and do that and this was going to happen. I want you to know what I know. So when you walk in, I can't speak for you. Right, I'm your do la. I'm going to advocate for you, yes, but I cannot tell this doctor she doesn't want this and no, you're not going to that's that's not how.
Speaker 1:I'm glad you said that, because that is one thing I hear a lot of. Oh, what I want to do, because I want them to say this and do this, I'm like my job is to be your backup. That's it for yourself. That's it, and I'm going to like reaffirm what you say. Absolutely, I cannot tell this doctor what to do, else I'm going to be kicked out. That's it.
Speaker 2:I cannot speak for you, and not even the whole point of being kicked out. That's just not your job, right, like my. So my tagline is do is empower and empower. For my job, this is to empower you to have this experience, and whatever the experience may look like to you, it doesn't have to be of this water bird, this home bird, it can be whatever you desire, and my job is to empower you to do so. So for me to empower you, I have to educate you. I have to give you the right resources to make sure that you're getting all the information that you need to be able to sustain these conversations that these are talking to you about, because they like to say big words and things that you may not even know.
Speaker 2:But if you were to take a Nikia Lawson job with education, who I, who is my go to person, you don't remember? Oh, I remember that, right? So, help me, help you, help me, help you. That's my, that's my thing, and so you know. You know it can be wrong, because our community don't, don't, don't tell you certain things that we should, and education is one of them.
Speaker 1:Right, unfortunately, and it's like no disrespect or any shade towards who do like the who you call it a gender reveal parties and all this. Right, that's cool. Yeah, you should take a little money on the side for yourself to educate yourself, so when you're walking, you know, that's it.
Speaker 2:That's it and listen. Maybe you can't afford a doula, right? Maybe there's some things that's happening.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:But you can't tell me that a topic, education says you know, can't help you, right, and I'm talking up you know. So you've got to be able to educate yourself and that's the. That's the problem. If we are able to go to these doctors, appointments, whatever, I don't like to say the phone, I like to see it in paper, because you know, most of doctors are not really like tech savvy. Ask the questions, bring all the questions that you have each time you go to the doctor. You should at least have five questions.
Speaker 1:Right, and I think the issue is that, you know, doctors pretty much have what 1015 minutes per person to be with, and I agree, but I think some women actually feel afraid to ask those questions because they feel like they're, you know, interrupting the doctor and oh, I don't want to take too much of that person's time and it's just like but it's not about them, it's about you.
Speaker 2:And so guess what? And that's why I say I'm a, I'm a, I'm a do love spirit. Because when we're sitting down and having community with each other, I'm asking about child, childhood trauma, mama daughter relationships, people pleasing Right, I'm talking to you about your partners, relationship between y'all to right. And I'm talking about let's talk about therapists, right, I'm that person. I'm not that person that's going to be like what a bandaid on it. Let's see what we doing, let's what's going on. I'm a and that's and that's, and I need something that I do on purpose. My spirit can't, ain't gonna allow me to just be like see this woman, I'm looking at you and I can see that you and, or more something is happening within yourself, because pregnancy brings on shifts in relationships Mama, daughter, dad and daughter. You know partner and partner. You know it brings on all these different, you know entities, to where your body is, and you know it's like a spirit of trying to align things together. And so you may have a great relationship over here, and not so much for the one that's, not so much as the relationship you want. So let's talk about it. Let's talk about what we can do, like I had a meeting this right before here, like let's talk about this, this partnership. You know, like where you feel like you're not being heard at, and I think that's the best therapist that I that I said both of the, both of these therapists are my clients. They are the beast. So let me, let me give you this information, that way y'all can have y'all some couples there if y'all bring your mom, bring your dad, it's, I think it's when you're pregnant. It's time to become aligned, because when you are pregnant and you bring in a baby, for when you have all of those things happening right and when you have all of those relationships going all around you, how you can properly be a fulfilled mother when you have things here that's happening. So I'm not doing, I'm not doing it. Hey, let's do this, let's you know and and and I mean to open up and let's talk.
Speaker 2:I had so many people bus out and cry and I love it, let it go, release it, because I mean I, you can tell me, you think I hear some stuff, I can tell you some stories, and I'm like, tell it to me, I'm here for it, I can take it. I can take it, release it. That's what I want my people to be able to come to me and sit in my space and release we're thinking about to release so that way I can give them the right resources to help them get on that journey Right. Because imagine having all of these things going on mentally you decide to have a baby, you're going through postpartum, you're going through breastfeeding, right, you're going through healing, and then the other elephants in the room how, how, how, you, you know, how is that? And so I'm definitely a spirit person like let's, let's align some stuff. Let's, let's get some stuff on this journey happening. It ain't gonna happen before the baby get here, but at least you can start on it, at least we can have some, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:That is a lot. That is what I love it, though, because it's something so necessary. It is like you can't physically let go. You know it mentally cannot let go, like your body is really connected. That's it, it's really connected. So you have to pull a man, that girl, you good, you listen and also listen to this.
Speaker 2:Listen to this If you've ever been in the space of a mother right that has had issues and she is always female relationships, it's a mama right, it's a grandma. If the end of pregnancy, it's almost like the baby summons these people and you're crying and all of a sudden you're really, you're thinking about the relationship with my grandmother, the relationship with my mom, the relationship with my aunt, and you try to figure out what is coming from. This baby is trying to align these female relationships. That's what's happening. So let's talk about it, put it on the table.
Speaker 2:I'm good as a mediator. Let's talk about it. So and not to soup my horn and it would be ego I want a lot of people. I bought a lot of people together and that's why my relationships with my family is so deep. So deep because I love you and I want you to be as full as you can with this baby. Because these, these women coming, they are coming to change and shift this, this, this thing called earth. They come in the shift and they need a mama and a baba who is good enough and clear enough to be able to understand what they're birthday. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:So I have a question and it's not really. It's not really related to what we just talked about. I do have a question. So I had a client recently and you know, one of the things we were talking about a lot was like birthing positions and like what she feels comfortable with, because, you know, we should really want to do like like a side position birth. We talked about it, we went over everything in her prenatals and then the moment came and you know, the doctor, you know the first thing to do is put them down, stirrups up, and I'm just like, okay, she didn't want to do this. So I'm looking at her and I'm like, hey, client, not gonna say any name, yeah, we talked about this during your prenatal. Is there something you want to speak to your doctor about? Like are we going to go on and do the position you talked about, you know, giving her the room to speak?
Speaker 1:And you can touch was like I don't know if I'm gonna do it anymore.
Speaker 1:And I'm just like, do you? I'm like, are you sure? Like it is your decision and I'm going to back up what you want. Yeah, I do remember us having this conversation about your choice and what you wanted to do and the whole time the doctor just looking at me, like so, like mid, like nurses, mid putting up the store up, like I don't know what to do. I'm looking at her and I'm looking at the client and I'm looking at the client's husband. I'm like we just had this really long conversation. Like you know, you don't have to do it this way. I'm like, girl, I can. You know, this is why we wear gloves. I can hold that leg, that's it, that's it. And then she was like, no, I'm just gonna go ahead and do it this way. So it is your choice. I have respect to choice you now I'm going to take because the doctor's kind of already gotten you that way how do you deal with that?
Speaker 2:Well, I would say this it doesn't start in the birth room. So, with my clients, what we do is we have all of these conversations right and then also understanding that the doctor can say one thing at the beginning of the pregnancy and at the end say another. That is a thing.
Speaker 1:And we talked about that during that prenatal.
Speaker 2:Mm, hmm, and so what I do is I tell my clients, we, if we have a, if we have a virtual right, and I'm like, okay, what are your three questions? Right? And so we'll put all the whatever the five questions that she has and I'll, and I'll ask them, like, hey, making sure that your bird plant hasn't changed, right, do you want to deliver? On your side, do you want to deliver? And you know, on all fours, whatever that looks like, I say, well, make sure that your doctor I say because the doctor are not really trained any other way so if they say at the beginning, hey, yeah, this is what I want to do, make sure, before you make 30 weeks, that you had that question again.
Speaker 2:And I'm going to tell you why you had that conversation with them again. Because then, hey, you probably don't have to switch if you have to, because that's a big deal to shift what my process and what my thought was, because my doctor is not comfortable, right, and so, and what happened to do that? Say 30, you know, 30 weeks is hard for you to kind of transfer when you're 32 and you're 35. So, making sure that you have specific conversations with this doctor. This is my wishes. Here is my bird plan. This is what I, this is what I, this is what I desire is my preference, you know, and making sure that they are accountable for that. Hey, I gave you this and not in, that's what I'm saying. Confidence is real. In that moment.
Speaker 2:She probably had that relationship with the doctor to be able to say, no, I don't want to do it this way, you know, because they bullies. But they don't have to be bullies and saying words. It's just their presence sometimes that way and they don't know, like you know that they have to comply. But that conversation has to happen in prenatals with you and appointments with the doctor. So that's why I go with my clients to to at least one or two for sure.
Speaker 2:They have to be induced because they have the station diabetes or they have a preeclampsia. Then we got to be talking about your birth, your induction methods, how the what that will look like. So, making sure that you go to them, go with them to the doctor's appointments and have those conversations with that position and and so if you keep talking about it to them, they have no choice but to honor it. So when you get in there and they decide that he's going to put you in stirrups, the reminder okay, she's going to get on her side and you ain't got to wait for him to say it on your side and he's gonna have to make his money.
Speaker 2:You have to work for it. Yes, he or she's gonna have to work for that money. Yes, yeah, you know, and so it's like I understand, like I understand, like you know, some doctors are just like old school and this is the way that they do things and this is what they're comfortable with. Because if you ever been on my like doctors, like outside of birth, everything is like oh, oh, my God, you know, a hurry like type of deal nurses to, because that's a system that they're in, but people at the forefront and having a conversation with them, to where she's comfortable enough to not even reply to him, putting her in the stirrup. Just turn yourself around to your brother, put your leg up, hold my, hold my legs. Do your job, sir, ma'am, do your job, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess, for a moment I was like okay, I guess we're just gonna do it this way. I'm just like I just it is to me.
Speaker 2:I'm unmedicated because, sometimes she was medicated. Okay, because I say sometimes when they unmedicated is like so many things is happening at once and they can't think about it. They can't. You know what I'm saying. So, yeah, that's the thing that does. I've never had that happen. I'm like that because my clients be like no, we're gonna do it this way. We got we get up because I'm on. I also will say this but unmedicated birth, you can't lay on your back and hurt, so that's the most. You know that that is so intense when you do that. So my client like I don't like that, I'm like it, I'm gonna do it like this, you know. So I'm medicated. People admit it may not be as tough to him because they didn't kind of like numb, so it's like, oh, not so bad, okay, I'll do it. You know that could be the reason behind it. It just depends on in which way the birth makes sense, all right.
Speaker 1:so I have questions about Zion do the services. So what do we all offer with our do the services? Just to you know, talk up some business.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, so I do offer listening to encapsulation. I offer breastfeeding classes, postpartum classes. I also offer nesting parties for families. What else I do? Meal prep? I do a little bit of everything. Yeah, I don't like you, do a little bit of everything. My one thing about it my clients don't get a meal and they don't get nothing else. They're gonna get a nesting party because I love postpartum and I love to prep for postpartum and so those things going to happen. Your last visit, we all postpartum baby. Our other ones, we talked about the. You know the transition, you know, but we're going to be on this postpartum kick right here, babe, we all offer a good bit of things.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to shift out. I stopped doing job or education because it doesn't resonate with me. That because, not that, it doesn't resonate with me, but I am not a person that likes to be on. Zoom five was at a time that, amy, I'm okay with it, I'm okay in it, I'm not great at it. So I stick to the things that I'm great at. Okay. So the key of law and would do the owner of the international donor. She does all of my job with education classes for my mom's and they free. And when I tell you sister is, she's so do, and so you know, yeah, so we offer a good bit of things here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's probably what I need to look at. Maybe maybe not, we shall see. I've already taken placenta encapsulation classes, which I do love, but I always have to tell people because when I talk about it I just let people know look, this is just something that we know from looking at anecdotal situations. But it also makes me sad that we kind of don't have anything from a scientific research. You know, because I do like science, I've always been that kind of nerd, like in school, like in science and stuff, but then I'm always just like well, you got to think about it also from like a Western hospital standpoint. If there was a way to like help women with their milk and with like postpartum depression and all that and it's natural from your body, why would they do research on it when they can't sell you the products? So I'm like you also have to think about it from that thought process.
Speaker 2:And then also, like I'm a okay science person right, I'm okay with science. I'm a person that looks at a human experience, right? So if I have done encapsulation specifically encapsulation for most of my moms and for them to text me and say these things are really a mood booster, like I was feeling sad, a few minutes ago I took these pills and now I feel I have energy, I have. So I'm a person that I don't need science to tell me that something works. When I see it work, I see it. And then also they're selling placentas. They're using it for makeup, they're using it for diabetic ooms, they're using it for so many other things hair, right. I had a client who was from Jamaica. They used them.
Speaker 2:Back in the day, the mom was just taking placenta from the hospital to keep it in the freezer, to do what you know what they used to do with it Grind it up and put it in oil for their hair to grow, and so I know what. The placenta is the most amazing life-sustaining organ that I've ever had the pleasure of working with. So it's like I see what it does, I know what it does, you know. I can remember when I got I had a hysterectomy, maybe eight years ago, and I was having these bad high flashes. It was so bad and my mother-in-law it took me to Whole Foods and there was these pills and it's called menopause, 24-hour remedy, right. And so I'm taking the pills and they stink so bad. I hate to smell these things, but guess what? They worked.
Speaker 1:I didn't have to work.
Speaker 2:I had the AMNP and I had to worry about not getting sleep and the nighttime, no night sweats, like it was perfection. So when I went into now I'm saying this to say like how powerful placenta is or how people have been using placenta for so long in supplements and we don't even know it, we don't even know it, they just call it something different.
Speaker 2:Yes. So what happened? I took this training with one of my E-fi sisters, stacey, the one who taught me placenta encapsulation Shout out to Stacey, oh my God and my preceptor, who also taught me as well. But I had a one-on-one with Stacey where I did this two-week intensive postpartum, living with her and man, it was life changing and I had always wanted to work with the placenta.
Speaker 2:Like even when my clients would have them, I was like I wanna touch it, like I just always had this gravitation towards the placenta and I was like I really wanna and I used to send my clients to someone else to do placenta encapsulation just because I was like I don't know, I wanna do it but it ain't resonating with my spirit to, kind of like, go ahead on and do it. So as years passed by, I was like I just keep this, it keeps coming up to me, it keeps coming up. And I did this training and we put the placenta in a steamer and it smelled Mells and I said, oh my God, this is the smell that the pills smell, like that I used to take when I had my own, but I used to have half lashes and she was like, huh, I say yes, I say this is the same smell. It was like it was so strong.
Speaker 2:I was like oh my God, this remind me of the pills that I took and I said I got on my phone immediately. I was like 24 hour remedy, half lashes, whole foods. Couldn't find them nowhere, but we ended up finding something on Amazon. Amazon, that was the same box that I used. Right, it was discontinued. It was placenta, okay.
Speaker 1:Let me just say just quick question. You're gonna say everything you saying. I know you're not a big science person. Yeah, all you're saying is a lab report. Yeah, that's it. That is a lab report. It's just not me. It's just not certified by school. That is the only difference to what you're saying. But yeah, but it's real, though it's like we know this. I mean, the animals do it for a reason, right.
Speaker 2:Hello.
Speaker 1:Like they not dumb, like they do it for a reason. But yeah, I mean they probably got discontinued because they probably was using somebody's placenta and they probably not without knowledge too. That's it. That's it, Because it's still somebody's body parts but go on, that's it.
Speaker 2:And then also, knowing that people are now understanding, like, how powerful the placensas are and they're keeping them. So maybe the flow of placensas, you know, slow down. But let me tell you something that field, those fields, was amazing, that was the best. Like I was like can't find them anywhere. And like you say, animals do it right. One thing about an animal they come here on earth and do exactly what they're supposed to do. They don't go outside it, they come in and do exactly what they're supposed to do. So that's what I'll find the animal anywhere, because that's what they're gonna do, what they have to do.
Speaker 2:And then also with human experience, you're watching these moms who have had birds before and had postpartum mood disorder, and now they have your placenta encapsulations and they're like, oh my God, it's like night and day. So you're watching this actual evidence, not that this big lab or this FDA and all these people that can give you a stamp of approval. You see it, you see it. And so for me that's all the evidence I need and it's just a beautiful thing. I'm just very, very blessed to be able to give something to somebody and pour so much love into that capsule, each capsule actually, because it's very deep for me. It's very, very, very deep for me when I'm working with a placenta, and so you know, human experience is the best experience for me.
Speaker 1:I heard that. Now I have another question, for I end up letting you go. But to the meal prep. I like food, what you cooking.
Speaker 2:So everybody loved my famous Oprah stew. Oh, yes, I love it, they loved my stew.
Speaker 2:I've made squash soup. I've made tomato soup, I've made meat-soaked soup. What else I made, I just made for a client last week we before last this potato and kale soup. It was delicious and that was the first time I had made it. So what I do is I have a Pinterest, right, and so my Pinterest will give you all of my post-partum meals that I'll do for my clients. So it depends on your package, right? If you get the Deluxe package, you automatically get three soups for me. So I'll send off at the end of the pregnancy, I'll send off the you know, the printers and say, hey, pick which soups that you want. Nine times out of ten they're going to pick that Oprah stew and look, it's going to hit every time.
Speaker 1:Every time it's going to hit Girl that's so smart, and what I really like about it is that you're not just picking garbage to give people you know what I mean, just respect to anybody or any culture or anything. Yeah, what I'm saying is everything you mentioned is high in fiber. Yeah, have good vitamins. There's nutrients in every single meal and that's so important because you've already lost so much blood.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's it, that's it.
Speaker 1:Like you need that. Oh, that's so good. Yep, yep, I love that. Oh yes, ma'am, I love soups, I love that, I know, and it's so easy it's so easy too, so good. I had this mushroom and seaweed miso soup and I make it all the time, and I love seaweed. Seaweed is good.
Speaker 2:I eat seaweed out of all packs from Trader Joe's. Just I love it.
Speaker 1:That's my favorite snack Because they have the Asian markets and they have the dry seaweed and they just soak stuff and I mean there's so many nutrients in seaweed.
Speaker 2:That's in the iron? Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. That's actually a really cool idea. I might have to write that down. Pick up yeah, my daughter, because I don't never use Pinterest, but a Pinterest soup board sounds amazing.
Speaker 2:Yes, and all you have to do it, and they give you great ideas too. And then also, if I'm starting on Instagram and I see Mama Shafia, she do these beautiful soups and I'm like, oh, I'm going to look on Pinterest to see how I can do it, and what I'll do is I'll go to the store and play with it, I'm like, ok, let me make this and see how this tastes. I'm that type of person. I love it. So, yeah, I like to make healing soup and warm soups. That's good for the soul. I tell my clients all the time hey, after you didn't push this baby out with no medication, get you a push, you can do it. You deserve to eat whatever you want to eat when you get home. We're healing over here, babe.
Speaker 2:We're going to have these soups for the first week. We're going to soup you down. We're going to vegetable you down. We're going to fruit you down. We're going to do all of the things, so yeah.
Speaker 1:So I lied. One more question. I'm going to get all my questions out as I think about it. I'm just going to ask so, especially for people who are listening and they probably want a doula. Never had a doula before, they want a doula. A lot of times people are shy away from the idea because they feel doulas are expensive Because you're paying out of pocket.
Speaker 1:You're not really you know, it's not like assurance really covers us fully, because I know we haven't even been going back and forth with the state about having this coverage, but that's a whole different topic for a different story. That's some ish that we are not going to get into right now. But what do you do to kind of make people comfortable with your services, like, do you offer partial payment, term of the day or go on and talk.
Speaker 2:So my policies are right. I have three different packages and they range from 1275 to 1675. So with each of those packages there's a deposit. So you will pay your deposit in your book. So each month you will pay something on that package. The minimum you can pay is $100. But it has to be paid out by 37 weeks. So you can do that however you like you know.
Speaker 1:Have you ever had a situation when somebody did not pay about 37 weeks?
Speaker 2:Probably once or twice, and that's OK for me. So if we have a communication and you're like, hey, this is what's happening for this month, ok, it's OK, life happens, I'm OK with that. I just have that to where I won't get, you know, I want to be paid.
Speaker 1:We all got them bills. Come on, we would love to do this for free, because it is great for the soul. Yes, it is not great for the bills, that's it.
Speaker 2:Come on.
Speaker 1:That's all.
Speaker 2:But if I had somebody that needed a couple more weeks, cool. I've had somebody who didn't finish their bill until after they had their baby, cool. But we build community and love from each other, so I'm not worried about you skipping out on me on the bill. I don't think about that because my clients are good to me and I'm good to my clients. I don't really have that whole issue like money, money, money, money, money.
Speaker 1:I will say I think that kind of also makes the difference between certain bills and money companies. Like if you build that community with your client, at that point one they're no longer a client, they're almost like family.
Speaker 2:That's family. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So you know it's like okay, like you didn't fully pay by this time period, but we're going to go ahead and have this baby and we're just going to handle it. Postpartum. There are certain people who are just like but now you didn't make your payment, I'm not showing up to the birth and I'm just like whoa, you're going to leave this person out, like, literally, you're going to leave them hanging?
Speaker 2:No, I don't have that. That's that mean you don't?
Speaker 1:got no love for your client. That means you really don't have this phone. You ain't going to show up.
Speaker 2:But then also like what relationship you have with the client to even think like that.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:That's crazy.
Speaker 1:I'm just I'm just saying. I'm just saying things that I've heard. Yeah, I don't know if it's ever happened before I pray it never happened before. I'm just saying things that I've heard and I'm just like dang.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I never had that. I'm grateful, I'm so grateful, I really am.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you so much for your time. I do appreciate it. I know you had a prenatal before this so I know girl must need, you must need a little break to humsel. But I appreciate this conversation, I appreciate. Just running into you that day at the hospital I was like, oh my God, I was like. I was like I was like what?
Speaker 1:I need a hug. I'm like, oh my God, I haven't seen you in so long, but it was just like I saw you out, I immediately like lit up and I was just all smiles Do you bring it out? I think I'm just like. Every time I see you, I'm just like, oh my God, everything you do online, I just go oh, she's like she's doing so well and it kind of just gives it, gives me encouragement, mm, hmm, and I'm happy, I'm happy to hear that, absolutely.
Speaker 1:So I'm just like you know, if I ever, if I never, ever gave you flowers, I want to give it to you now.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much, Tasha. I appreciate you. I really do.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so I love you to pieces, Thank you for just having this moment with me and guys. I can't wait to have another session, because I love Dula, the Dula, because I just like it.
Speaker 2:It's so dope, this is dope, this is dope. This is no great work. I love it Because you know.
Speaker 1:I feel like you know, sometimes, when you hear like Dula, midlife or whatever, it's just these terms, but just like yeah, we actually have these crazy experiences that some people would just never know. Yes, so I just want to just like you know, we're going to talk about these things and we're going to get it out, and just I just wanted to be like a little bit more transparency in the middle so people aren't afraid, they know what they're getting into.
Speaker 1:And yeah, I feel like it just can be like a part of my life's work, just to kind of be like yo, like it's okay, like birth can be scary but also very healing. It can be rewarding and like, as women, not our, not our sole purpose, but it is part of the things that we do. Yeah, it shouldn't have to be looked at as a negative experience. Sometimes, when you look at the media, it looks very negative.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and look, anything that's I feel like with social media is pushed. You know it is scare tactics to the black woman oh, you're going to die if you go, you know, and it's like the key thing that we're missing is education. Yeah, that's, that's what we're missing. That's the, that's the. That's in a nutshell, because I didn't. I didn't get into where I have to go toe to toe with a doctor and he realized I knew what I knew and that completely up, and that's highly unlikely that they do that.
Speaker 1:But I mean.
Speaker 2:But so I know what education and do I know what knowing what you know can change the environment in which that doctor thinks or you either put up a new show up or you keep it going, or you are me right, you are me, so I can find me another doctor, who who will honor who I am. You know this birth and body that I have.
Speaker 1:Oh boy. Well, in that case, y'all but educate yourselves, go on to these classes. What's the name? Is it Nikki Lawson? You said?
Speaker 2:Nikia Lawson. Yeah, she's the president of donor international. She has. If y'all go look her up, she's on. She's on Instagram. You click, click that link. You register for the class every month. They're free. So you're going to. There's four sessions. The first they're Tuesday and Thursday. That the first first, because of whatever month it is, and then a second week, which is the next Tuesday and Thursday. But when I tell you, get the information and make sure that when you do not understand that people that hospitals have big job education classes, I get it. But also remember that it's going to be geared towards how to be a perfect patient.
Speaker 2:Come on.
Speaker 2:Oh so making sure that you understand that this job and education, that classes that you're taking, these are our end labor delivery, are in these classes teaching you, and they hold nothing back, because what they want is they want you to be treated with dignity and they want you to know what they want to know, what you know and that's how I know. My friends, I don't want to have to tell you everything. You know what I'm saying. Imagine that to tell your client everything. No, I need. This is a. This is a community thing. Right? This is a reciprocity. You give, I give, you take, I take. Let's all come in community and get this information. So I don't want to be my clients all I don't. I want them to be able to get this work, understand what's happening, do their research and show up, show up, show up, because when you don't show up and they know you ain't showing up, they gonna do whatever they want to become, become another mechanical delivery. That's unnecessary.
Speaker 1:Zaina, can you also just leave your information, so they want to reach out to you. They know how.
Speaker 2:Yes, so I am Zaina. Of course, again was I into the services. My Instagram handle is Zion underscore services LLC. Take it to underscore the measure, of course. Facebook, I do have my personal Zaina's a kid. You can follow that to. It doesn't matter, I put burst up on either one, either one. I am also on tiktok a Zion Zion do a service LLC. So you know hey hit me up.
Speaker 1:That's right. But y'all, thank y'all for listening and I hope you all have a wonderful day.
Speaker 2:Thank you, tash, you have a good one. Thank you Listen.