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I"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":2697.329,"endTime":2700.869,"body":"really appreciate your time. and"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":2700.899,"endTime":2703.959,"body":"your articles and predictions"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":2700.899,"endTime":2703.959,"body":"about the future of Ad Tech have"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":2703.959,"endTime":2706.059,"body":"really been eye opening to me."},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":2703.959,"endTime":2706.059,"body":"Well,"},{"speaker":"Joshua Wöhle","startTime":2706.06,"endTime":2707.77,"body":"thank you very"},{"speaker":"Joshua Wöhle","startTime":2706.06,"endTime":2707.77,"body":"much for having me. I really"},{"speaker":"Joshua Wöhle","startTime":2707.77,"endTime":2710.8,"body":"enjoyed having a chat. And"},{"speaker":"Joshua Wöhle","startTime":2707.77,"endTime":2710.8,"body":"obviously we'll see next year"},{"speaker":"Joshua Wöhle","startTime":2710.8,"endTime":2714.7,"body":"how much of this ends up"},{"speaker":"Joshua Wöhle","startTime":2710.8,"endTime":2714.7,"body":"anywhere near happening. But"},{"speaker":"Joshua Wöhle","startTime":2714.7,"endTime":2716.41,"body":"that's also a conversation to"},{"speaker":"Joshua Wöhle","startTime":2714.7,"endTime":2716.41,"body":"have."},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":2717.67,"endTime":2720.52,"body":"predictions,"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":2717.67,"endTime":2720.52,"body":"predictions tend to have a way"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":2720.52,"endTime":2723.49,"body":"of getting away from you, but I"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":2720.52,"endTime":2723.49,"body":"think these are terrific ones."},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":2723.82,"endTime":2727.09,"body":"Thank you so much, and thanks"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":2723.82,"endTime":2727.09,"body":"for being on edtech insiders."},{"speaker":"Joshua Wöhle","startTime":2727.3,"endTime":2728.08,"body":"Thank you for"},{"speaker":"Joshua Wöhle","startTime":2727.3,"endTime":2728.08,"body":"having me."},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":2728.739,"endTime":2730.539,"body":"Thanks for"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":2728.739,"endTime":2730.539,"body":"listening to this episode of the"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":2730.539,"endTime":2734.439,"body":"EdTech insiders podcast. 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