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I've never heard of"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3394.41,"endTime":3396.9,"body":"that. But I definitely want to"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3394.41,"endTime":3396.9,"body":"look into that I have not read"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3396.9,"endTime":3399.27,"body":"cast myself, but I've heard"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3396.9,"endTime":3399.27,"body":"great things. I'm definitely"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3399.27,"endTime":3401.43,"body":"going to look it up and"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3399.27,"endTime":3401.43,"body":"predictably irrational is one of"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3401.43,"endTime":3405.42,"body":"my favorites. Fantastic. So"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3401.43,"endTime":3405.42,"body":"dissenter, the teacher cast by"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3405.48,"endTime":3409.62,"body":"Isabel Wilkerson. And Dan Ariely"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3405.48,"endTime":3409.62,"body":"is predictably irrational. We"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3409.62,"endTime":3413.61,"body":"will link to all of those"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3409.62,"endTime":3413.61,"body":"resources as well as the"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3413.64,"endTime":3418.86,"body":"supercharge the podcast and all"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3413.64,"endTime":3418.86,"body":"of the amazing projects that end"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3418.86,"endTime":3422.91,"body":"lesson cast that Nicole Tucker"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3418.86,"endTime":3422.91,"body":"Smith is involved in. Thank you"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3422.91,"endTime":3425.28,"body":"so much. What a fascinating"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3422.91,"endTime":3425.28,"body":"conversation. I feel like we've"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3425.28,"endTime":3427.71,"body":"gotten to know each other so"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3425.28,"endTime":3427.71,"body":"well, in this hour. I believe,"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3427.77,"endTime":3431.1,"body":"you guys. I really appreciate"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3427.77,"endTime":3431.1,"body":"it. I think our listeners are"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3431.13,"endTime":3434.67,"body":"probably feel very refueled"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3431.13,"endTime":3434.67,"body":"themselves. I really appreciate"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3434.67,"endTime":3436.74,"body":"you being here with me on Ed"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3434.67,"endTime":3436.74,"body":"Tech insiders."},{"speaker":"Nicole Tucker-Smith","startTime":3436.8,"endTime":3438.66,"body":"Thank you"},{"speaker":"Nicole Tucker-Smith","startTime":3436.8,"endTime":3438.66,"body":"so much, Alex, for having me."},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3439.41,"endTime":3441.21,"body":"Thanks for"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3439.41,"endTime":3441.21,"body":"listening to this episode of the"},{"speaker":"Alexander Sarlin","startTime":3441.21,"endTime":3445.14,"body":"Ed Tech insiders podcast. 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