Dean and Chad, Holistic Counsellors and Psychotherapists, specialising in relationships, discuss how to navigate obstacles with ourselves and our partners when things go awry. From deprogramming, through to advocating for more openess and authenticity, the conversation gets as philosophical as ever, intentionally offering potential for people hoping to grow and evolve. If Newtonian Physics versus Quantum Science wasn't high brow bullshit enough, there's mention and alignment of the superiority of heart over mind. Before accordance is declared that whatever we believe we definitely keep on trying to blow the locked gate off the asylum and get free flowing with some disbelieving.