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You know I've been in a slump lately and then I watched this video from Steve Gutenberg and you know sometimes he was basically saying in this video that sometimes life doesn't give you the life that you want, but you make the most of the life that you have. I never expected to get motivational advice from, or to be reassured by, steve Gutenberg Star Police Academy in Cocoon. More recently, we was on an episode of Party Down called Steve Gutenberg's birthday. It's probably the best, most singular episode of the whole series. By the way, if you're wondering, you've stumbled into a podcast. It's Binge-Watchers Podcast with your truly Johnny Spoiler. I only spoil the movies that I love. It's always by the Savage Scream Queen herself, jordan Savage, and we also are joined tonight by a panelist, a killer, showrunner of killer shows.
Johnny Spoiler:Our latest project is Amazon Prime's video, the Horror of Dolores Roach. Hi, thanks for having me guys. Yeah, this is awesome, so grateful. I also want to plug the co-creator of the True Crime Sensation, one of our favorites. We'll get into that a little bit more detail. Home Before Dark and at Apple TV. She's also produced the original Daredevil Come on, guys, on Netflix. And also I love Dick with John and Kevin Bacon. He's done a lot more than just that, but I just wanted to mention some of the highlights that I really enjoy, and then we can get into more stuff later. I should also bring up if you go to adamicom, you get 50% off with our code BWPOD. The same snazzy code can unlock deals on manscapecom for 20% off and a new boy, waterboy, forward slash. Bwpod will unlock 15% off on their website. We'll be right back with some home video headlines. Daredevil is going to stick around. If she can handle it, we'll take the ride. We'll find out what's going on with this movie of the week called the Wind. That's the part I can't handle.
Johnny Spoiler:Find out why right after this?
Jordan Savage:Crack open a cold box of wine or pour something cold on ice, because it's the binge watches podcast.
Johnny Spoiler:Let's see what's going on. Mgm Studios, branch of Amazon, is developing the Poltergeist TV series, reviving the horror franchise in a new format. I find this interesting. I mean I think like in the early was it Poltergeist 1999? They did a TV series of Poltergeist once already. They tried to bring it into like a paranormal investigation style show. Right, well educated British laureates, you know more globetrotting Poltergeist activity. But I mean I just think if you get back to Carol Ann and the sister Dana and then you do like maybe you maybe find somebody to play the psychic Tangina, right, and then and then get to I don't know if you get to Kane, I don't know the creepy old man ghost who has had some beef with everybody for like three or four movies, like I don't know if, I don't know if you get there, but it would be cool to see like a it could make a series, right. I mean, dara, what do you think Like would you develop a show like that and where?
Dara Resnik:would you? Yeah, I would totally develop that show. Yeah, I mean, no one asked me but I would. 1000%. I do that show. I mean it's there's a, there's a tonal, it's really interesting. So Poltergeist is one of our favorites in this house, partially because I have like. The reason I made home before dark was because I have like a weird child who loved like creepy things really early on. So Poltergeist was her first horror movie. She was like eight years old and she no longer thinks it's scary at all. She falls asleep during most of these movies at this point, which is wild to me because it was very scary to me. But like I think if you take any great setup, you know the idea of like the suburbs expanding into a place that they shouldn't be expanding into is is still a current idea. That's not something that's gotten better in American culture. What is the horror of that? And you can hear my dogs agreeing that it's horrible.
Johnny Spoiler:Oh, they're in, they're in for it. And then I heard that Cindy Sweeney was joining the cast with Jude Law and Anna DeArmes and Ron Howard's new movie. It's supposed to be called Eden. It's rumored to be based on a true crime style mystery that happened in like one of the Galapagos islands in like the thirties. It's like a but, like a thing that unraveled between like two or three intertwining families and, of course, of course, there's an affair. Right, that's what kicks this thing off. So, anyway, I mean, I, I don't know, I'm a diehard fan of Ron Howard, so I mean, I'm kind of on board for it.
Dara Resnik:Yeah, that's not like my language. It's like to rigor anymore. Is it to be like I love Ron Howard, but like I fucking love Ron Howard?
Jordan Savage:Cindy Sweeney Jude Law. I mean, you're talking about Galapagos Islands murder mystery. Can you get really anything better?
Dara Resnik:in my opinion, when are they going to shoot the Galapagos Islands, though?
Johnny Spoiler:Well, that's the question. If they're, if they're, if they're going to have something, stand in for it, right, but that's not. I mean, that's not one of those things you can easily go back to, like Vancouver, for you know, or Atlanta, georgia, for you know what I mean. Like so the favorites are out, you know what I mean. They got to make a mock Island, right, I mean like.
Dara Resnik:Puerto Rico. I'm trying to think of the places that I know, of that people like asked me to shoot because it's cheap. The Galapagos Island would be like not at all a cheap place to shoot.
Jordan Savage:That doesn't sound like it would yeah, so it's awesome.
Dara Resnik:And horror movies. As you know, part of what makes her a great genre is you can make these movies for very little money and they, they do well yeah.
Johnny Spoiler:I mean it's, if you come up with a good premise and you can invoke, like primal fear that's built into our hardware or whatever right, then, like you can, it works every time. But you're right, like these low budget things, as long as the concept is there, people will, will, will be in for it, that's for sure.
Dara Resnik:I mean that was the whole concept behind the horribilers, which I know we'll talk about later. But you know it was what's the horror of the possible in your neighborhood, right, like what happens just downstairs. It's the kind of thing that like in theory I mean obviously we had real studio money but like we could have shot I felt like we could have shot that like for YouTube.
Johnny Spoiler:But you're trying to get us like super worried about all of our neighbors now, like even more worried than we already are 100%. That was absolutely our intention, oh yeah, so, jordan, you don't have to worry about somebody stealing your bike. You got to be worried about ending up in an empanada somewhere.
Dara Resnik:Exactly Yep, exactly tasty snack you know, Now the idea of the beginning was like you know. They're talking about all those news stories. There are all kinds of stories that are true life stories about people ending up in tamales and empanadas and bone marrow and you know, yeah, real life is a lot freakier than make believe, that's for sure.
Johnny Spoiler:I'll say that like, like you know, the only real monsters are like actual human beings, right, like the most dangerous stuff, the craziest things is just stuff that's built into like our, like our species. It's crazy anyway, yeah.
Dara Resnik:And it's what we don't know that scares us the most, which is why all those early Spielberg movies do so.
Johnny Spoiler:You know, the jaws and all that like not being able to see what the monster is is so much scarier, which ties in thank you for saying that, because that actually ties in my last update for the evening is that they're going to do another spin off of like a remake of like a Jules Verne, like 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, but they're concentrating on Captain Nemo and Nautilus and it's supposed to be like the what are the early years. So Shah, I think his name is Shah Zeyad Lateef. He was in Star Trek Discovery. His character was like really complex Spoiler alert If you haven't seen Star Trek Discovery, any Star Trek fans you might get ruined for you. So he's like a clean on that. They transmogrify into being like a human plant, like they make him like a sleeper cell among the among the humans or whatever. So and then he has like conflicted loyalties as his character evolves. But I've never seen this actor before until this Star Trek Discovery.
Dara Resnik:But he's one to watch and so it's kind of cool to see that he's going to take the reins, so to speak, or whatever, be the captain and my daughter's a huge Disney nerd too, and when I bought this 20,000 Leagues thing with her, I was like so excited to bring it up and realized that, like she, I've been taking her to Disney. I'm like Disney adult. I've been taking her to Disneyland, but only since 20,000 Leagues has basically become finding Nemo. So she was like what's 20,000 Leagues under the sea? I literally have an old copy of it, like right here on my bookshelf. I was like it's a book that's sitting on that bookshelf right now.
Johnny Spoiler:So I feel like this there's also the have you sugar, the Atlantis cartoon that Disney made Like a J Fox. Yeah, I was going to say that borrowed a lot from Jules Verne a lot.
Dara Resnik:Yeah, I mean there's a lot of Jules Verne in Disney stuff. I mean Walt Disney was very inspired by that sort of realistic sci-fi fantasy world that he created.
Johnny Spoiler:Jordan, you got some savage stats on tonight's movie.
Jordan Savage:I do got some savage stats for the wind. You know 1986. So it's a popular crime novelist or, I'm sorry, a popular crime novelist moves to a historic Greek village during the off season in order to write her next book, but gets more than she bargained for when she strongly suspects a handyman of committing murder. Starring Meg Foster in Wings Houser, meg Foster's striking blue, blue, grayish eyes with small pupils made her a go to choice for sci-fi and fantasy roles. She humorously claims she brings a free, special effect to every project, and definitely see them in this movie. They'd be popping. She's best known for playing evil Lynn in Masters of the Universe and drawing inspiration from Lady Macbeth. Wings Houser is a beloved B movie actor with famous radio star father. His son, cole Houser, is known for his role in Yellowstone. We've recently discussed Wings in our episode on Pale Blood and then, according to IMBD, the film originally had an alternate title, edge of Terror, to avoid associations with flatulence and come to mind with the term the Wins.
Dara Resnik:Where did you find that. Where'd that bit come from? I?
Johnny Spoiler:didn't dig for that one, but then I had to back it up on IMDb and I had to like I only found one interview with the director and then I found a website that had done a review like a way back website. You know, like websites that are like junked right and you have to dig them up.
Johnny Spoiler:But I wanted to have multiple sources. You know, inspired by some of the stuff that you put out there. I wanted to make sure that it wasn't just total bogus. You know, wanted to try to do my due diligence there.
Jordan Savage:You did, you did.
Johnny Spoiler:I almost figured it out that Masters of the Universe is like one of my favorite movies of all time, but I held my tongue. I said I was trying to be polite.
Dara Resnik:I would love to watch that actually.
Johnny Spoiler:Yeah, I think it's a fun ride I'm very good at success to follow this up with yeah, oh and well, and I almost gave it away too early that, like Pell, blood has a superior performance by Wingshauser than the wind. So but I don't want to get to the favorite bits of the ratings so early. Sometimes it's hard not to jump ahead.
Jordan Savage:Hard to not divulge. Yeah, what's to come in the show you know.
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Johnny Spoiler:wait, wait are you a, she her no problem.
Jordan Savage:Yeah okay.
Johnny Spoiler:So, dara, what do you think are your favorite bits from and? And here's the funny thing is, you can pick horrible bits, actually, even though it's called favorite bits. Or you can just say, like what's the best of the worst thing that you had to watch. You know what I mean. Like it doesn't have to be a favorite moment, but it could be something that's interesting.
Dara Resnik:Can I spoil? Is it stuff that's like okay to be like spoiled for folks who are listening? I can spoil things. Yeah, that's part of the game. I just want to make sure.
Jordan Savage:I.
Dara Resnik:Was like a little disappointed that the old man didn't come back, like I was like there's like they make this meal out of this old man at the top he's being so nice and I was like, oh, is he gonna be the murderer? And then I was like, oh no, he like gets murdered and goes away and like never comes back. That was like that was the. That was, for me, like the weirdest part of that movie. I know there's a lot of weird parts in that movie, but for me, in terms of like structurally, I was kept like waiting for that guy to return and he just I.
Johnny Spoiler:Wrote down. It's like the Hitchcock cameo question mark because there's no payoff. Right because, back to the thing I'm not like. What is the story follow?
Dara Resnik:That's right. Like there's this really long monologue. You're like going down the stairs, or going down the stairs, he's saying all these nice things. You're like, oh okay, this is all gonna amount to something. There's like a bit in this that's gonna come back later. It doesn't. It doesn't come back. Spoiler alert nothing comes back.
Johnny Spoiler:I could be on the move.
Jordan Savage:So what was? Your favorite part or yeah, I liked the conversation that Elias the old man has with the, the main character. What's her name? Yeah, sean, yeah, anderson, sean Anderson, because for some reason, I don't know why, the killer ends up switching over to only referring her to Anderson.
Johnny Spoiler:But I like they lose the first name basis. They're no longer. They're no longer intimate, they're more. Which is weird, because I feel like you're going out of good races, I guess with the maniac.
Jordan Savage:But I feel like you switch to last names when you're like you kind of cross over the like the thing of being friends or like buddies or Teammates. You know what I'm saying. Like I just thought that was a little interesting that he's like no longer referring to her by Her first name, sean, but I just thought it was funny, like I feel like that was such a Kind of relatable moment of you know, you're with this, you're walking with this older man and he's kind of calling you some pet names, but he's like also really like Non-threatening and he goes on his way and then, yeah, he just like never really comes back until you see his like little finger and bring sticking out of the dirt. Yeah, I also didn't really understand, and I don't know if maybe you too can help talk me through it, because this is kind of like, you know, like a pre version, an adult version of Home Alone. Right, sean is like dragging the whole night.
Johnny Spoiler:Right starts the booby trap, the house where she's a mystery expert.
Jordan Savage:Yeah, yes. She's, like you know, pouring stuff into his eyes through the cracks of you know the holes that he's stabbing through you know the floor and she's rigging everything up to defend herself. She's holding down the fort but like I didn't understand how, like what really hit Him the killer as that final booby trap? Yes, the final booby trap. Was it just the wind had hit the the knife?
Dara Resnik:I. What I thought happened was and you're right, it would have been better to see it, but maybe it may seem like such a cheap move my like take on, and I tried to go Down the rabbit hole to find this my take on how this movie came to be was that Nico Whatever his name is, the director had like access to a cool house in Greece and it was like I'll just like make a low budget movie with two people like killing each other and a low budget house in Greece. So like I just wonder if that effect didn't come out. But what I, just what I mentally thought happened was that like she does the thing and it goes like sprung and then the Like shutter, the window shutter Sprunged and he stabbed himself with his giant sickle and you know and you think he's dead. That's, that was a cool surprise.
Johnny Spoiler:There's like a there's like a continuity problem because he's trying to get through the shutters to get to her, right, yeah, and it's right after my favorite bit, because my favorite bit is that she doubles down on one of those home alone style things You're talking about. He doubles down in the boiling pot of boiling water, right, yes, he got the sickle, or the hand side, whatever it's called, stuck in the shutter. So the blade was there. So basically, she just popped the shutter back and, yeah, you got hit with his own weapon, but they, but they but he's using it after that, after it gets stuck.
Jordan Savage:So it's kind of an issue right, he's like crawling on the roof. Right, he's not like using it, but I recall it being like in his hand.
Johnny Spoiler:I want to rewind, cuz like he keeps coming back for misery. But I want to rewind to what you said a moment ago about, like Gosh. Now I'm gonna forget. Oh, the setting, the movie. Yeah, so the director was doing another movie, which, forgive what it's called, but like it's basically like an extraterrestrial movie or something right, because like I don't know if it's like the ET craze is happening at the same time, but he's on that island shooting another movie and and the wind was causing problems for the production. So then he's like oh, let's make a movie about, as you said, let's make a movie about the wind, right, cuz, yeah, they have access to this location, it's you know.
Dara Resnik:Another movie, why not? I mean, but the settings.
Johnny Spoiler:I mean that the one thing, the one merit the movie has going for it is the is the killer setting right.
Dara Resnik:It's a very cool setting. I actually think, given that they probably shot this super fast, I thought I was pretty well shot, like. I was like okay, like some good production value and all it actually made me. It was like an example for me of like, if you have a good script and I don't think I'm so sorry to the screenwriter, I can't remember his name I looked it up Um, I did not think this was a great script, I felt like, but if you had a great script and you placed those two actors, who are both like sort of decent be movie actors, in that setting, you probably could have had like a really decent movie.
Dara Resnik:I just it just was sort of it's like the thing we were talking about at the top. Like we all were kind of hoping that like this genial guy who's giving her all of this like long monologue about stuff Is gonna come back in some way or turn out to be not what we thought. What's his character paradox, what's like the big surprise? Tell my students, like, what's the surprise in every scene? What's the big surprise? You know, at the end of act one, I two, I three, and once we meet wings Hauser that's his name right once you meet wings.
Johnny Spoiler:His name is Phil in the movie, but the actor is wings.
Dara Resnik:We meet Phil, who seems like a wings, and what the second we meet him.
Johnny Spoiler:We kind of talk about typecasting, huh.
Dara Resnik:Yeah, I mean, he doesn't like there's no Protagonism there, right, there's no. Like he doesn't start off one way and you go oh, I'm so surprised, it's a completely different thing. You're like no, he's the killer.
Johnny Spoiler:And he turns out to be a totally psychotic killer and just like openly admits it to, like in the script right, it's like I'm like killer, yeah, okay, and he just, he needs, basically he needs like two scenes, like we need to know that he's I Mean I guess they would have to go Norman Bates with him, right, like what. He has an obsession and has killed in the past but he's trying to avoid killing in the future. But now she's, she's there on the island, right, yeah, it gives into his whims or whatever his psychosis. And before that he needs something that ramps him up. Because they go from. They go from zero to a hundred.
Johnny Spoiler:Wings howler, right, like he walks the door and he's already snapped and his other movies he ramps up to it. So you feel like he's doing it as an act, is like his thing, is his performance. But in here there's it's like zero to a hundred. You know, it's like a the Tesla, where you hit like mod C or ludicrous mode, whatever they call it these days. You know what I'm saying like he's right away, there's no, because there's no anticipation of it or lead up. We don't understand why it's necessarily happening or that. You know he's just like. He's like that all time.
Dara Resnik:Or even like the easiest way to go would have been like they sleep together by the end of act one. And then it's like a jagged edge kind of structure where it's like, oh, what do you do when you're this person who writes these creepy stories and you think you understand things about character and then you slept with the wrong guy, like at least I don't know it was it. But it's sort of like you said, it goes from zero to a hundred and then never changes. He's just there for like the last two thirds of the movie.
Jordan Savage:But yeah, I like that, the alternate idea there.
Dara Resnik:You know, maybe that they have a little bit of romance on the island, you know you're in Greece, like have her like you know she gets like a little cheat sheet on her husband or whatever, Like that's another thing. I did love the the depiction of the folks in LA.
Jordan Savage:Mm-hmm.
Dara Resnik:It was very 1980s, like I moved out here in 2001 and like that was my vision of like what people in LA and what LA Well, like well, it's funny too when she's with her girlfriends at the lunch table.
Jordan Savage:She's kind of alluding to that she's like so excited for her vacation and how like she. The one thing that she doesn't like is these long Relationships and she's like trying to escape her husband, right, and so, yeah, a little romance could have like tied that in.
Johnny Spoiler:I don't know. Your boyfriend can buy a good year blimp, but he can't show up at the island with his blimp to save you or like he's taking a swim when you're asking. That was my disconnect for me like early on is like it's hard for me to care about people that have the ability to get a good year blimp to celebrate in a nursery you know.
Johnny Spoiler:I mean like I was like oh man, Like you know, we're wearing a different collar collar here. You know what I mean? I was like solely disassociated with, like what was happening.
Dara Resnik:I was like okay, yeah, all right, you know and also that guy in the Stanford hat at the end.
Johnny Spoiler:Yeah, oh, maybe, yeah, like the, oh, the vacationing Americans.
Dara Resnik:Let's just like hang out in this car for a minute and talk to these people who don't actually end up having.
Johnny Spoiler:I just thought it was it was gonna be a bloodlust reason. I thought they were just trying to amp up the, the body count there at the end to make it more exciting. But then it's kind of like a throwaway right, because they come into the plot when they leave and I'm just like the only thing I think was like another example of people that can't help her and she's still stranded, right. I mean, I guess we kind of arrived at the ratings and kind of like what happens at the end kind of shifts my ratings. So but anyway, folks, you know how this goes on. This show bins now. You got to watch it now. Add it to your playlist Bins later get around to it. Ben's never. You can't get the 90 minutes back. I've wasted my life in my time. What's gonna happen, jordy? You want to kick off the ratings and then we'll have our panelists, and then I'll throw mine in.
Jordan Savage:I feel like I'm Just like so reluctant to give binge, never as these days, like I have to be really you just mean nice.
Johnny Spoiler:I mean, we tried to save the plot a couple minutes ago, but I don't know we did.
Jordan Savage:I'll say it's a binge later for me. I didn't think it was a complete waste of 90 minutes, but it was Not it, you know it's not it there. What do you think? What did you? What would you rate it I?
Dara Resnik:think like that it's somewhere between binge never and binge later, depending on this setting. Like I Was really happy that I watched it cuz I don't know there, you know we watch a lot of good stuff in our careers and you sort of go like, oh wow, I would make anything like that. But I was like, hey, that's a movie that got me and I know I could do that, so I think it's so good. Um, I also I I do like bad movie watching with a couple of friends. Shout out to Lucas O'Connor from my show home before dark.
Dara Resnik:We will, like you know, we watch like Joe's apartment and stuff like that and and do like a mystery science theater kind of thing. So if you have like a group of friends that you do that kind of thing with, this is a good choice for like bad movie night. That will be get a lot of hilarious commentary. Also, if you're a big fan of what apparently wings Hauser was Drug adults for a lot of that, that was what some of the online stuff. So, if you like to watch stuff where people are like probably on cocaine and a shit ton of alcohol, also fun for that reason, but not as a movie For sure.
Johnny Spoiler:No, he's. There's one scene in the movie he's coming down. I think he's playing with the apples of the bread. In no it's not even his business in the scene, he just does it and I like, oh yeah, he's like, he's like wildly high.
Jordan Savage:Yeah, yeah, the jaw thing. You're like okay, all right, yeah, okay, yeah, john. What would you read it, john, oh.
Johnny Spoiler:Man. So here's the thing, because I feel like the ending really, really bothers me because, like he's putting up a hell of a fight. She's an experienced mystery writer, you're the home alone tricks that you mentioned earlier. We're working and then, like a day s makana, or an act of God, so to speak, or an accident, prevails. In the end, like she, her, will, the fight is gone, she's on the edge of the cliff and you just think, like she's gonna have the final burst of energy and the thriller. She's gonna beat the, beat this dude, and then like and then you know the wind. I should have known, because it's the title is the wind? They let us know right away, but, spoiler alert folks the wind knocks them off the cliff and saves the day at the end of the thing.
Johnny Spoiler:So I don't think the movie was going in that direction either, but somehow we ended up there you know what I mean Like I thought they were gonna have a final showdown in when she falls in the cave Below the manor house yeah, whatever kind of cliffside you know duplexes is, or whatever it is and cuz then she finds, she finds a murderer that's like a hundred years old or something, with the bones in there that are decrepit. So it's like I mean then you begin to wonder like, did Phil start it, or did Phil's family really start? Like you get there's just too many questions at that point, right, but um, yeah, I can't take it back.
Dara Resnik:I wanted to know that too, like I was. Like it's another like dangling thing of like, oh, here's some bones and this like weird basement, and how long it's still been here. No answers, weird Phil, shit, sorry.
Johnny Spoiler:But it's a really bad handyman. Like the fact that he's willing to take a sickle through the attic door after his victim. I'm like you're ruining your own work. Why would you do that If you were a real person? Put the time in. You're not gonna break a door that you lack or put back together. You know what I mean. And also, his shirt is inexplicably dirty through, like the whole. Yes, he has a sweater. I mean, we do find out that he buried the old dude right, but papa Greek or whatever the guy's name is who lives on the island?
Johnny Spoiler:who owns the house. You know, papa Airbnb, like I mean, or a poor man's, like I said, the hitchcock, but but it doesn't, it doesn't make sense if he's doing work around the island. I know he's got one shirt, but then later on he's like dressed like he's going out on the town.
Dara Resnik:I that was definitely weird. A wearing a white sweater to be like a, like a body-varying murderer Definitely seemed like a strange costume. Yeah, I sort of wondered like how, how intentional that was Would you.
Johnny Spoiler:He shows up in the leather jacket and the turtleneck or whatever it is. Yeah, like he's got the top down cruising through Malibu, or something weird.
Dara Resnik:It was so weird I Was. I saw the wind thing coming. What I didn't see coming was the wildly bizarre look on his face as he fell off the cliff. Like it was. Like it was like the wind he's like.
Johnny Spoiler:Like spend your disbelief right. It's like an actor. It's like telling an actor there's a robot in here, but it's a volleyball on a nine-foot pole, but that's a robot that's about to eat the whole world. And like you got the key to save the magic power. So you want the actor method actor to go like oh, okay, yeah, so so make both. So I Imagination okay, like it's a nine-foot tall robot about to eat the world. I got the key. So you don't know in that moment if it's wings doubting the Concept of like you mean a gust of wind knocked me, wings, how's her off a cliff? I mean like, because in okay, okay, I just wanted to put out of like a personal disclaimer I don't know you wings, I don't know your family Watch a lot of your movies. Guy, I appreciate what you do, but I think like you have a perception about yourself as being like one of those 80s, 90s, like really an hardcore you know what I mean.
Johnny Spoiler:Yeah, so. So it's like I think he's like wings, how's her wouldn't get knocked off the cliff by a gust of wind, and so I don't know if we're registering that in that moment, but we might be. We might be seeing the take where he's like come on, guys, are you really gonna kill me with a? As Jordan said, a fart is a fart yeah.
Johnny Spoiler:This clip and I die. I'm glad they pulled back, though didn't show us like a rubber dummy, though that was pretty good that we just saw the scenery. That was one I can respect that like, because if we total would have totally been taken out of the game if we had to see, like you know, the paper mache doll rolled down the cliffside. Yeah, that's more trauma. Movie making I know I like trauma. There's a there's a reason why you know the the mop monsters out there.
Dara Resnik:But so it would you say never or or Later oh no, maybe I said that too quickly earlier.
Johnny Spoiler:It's a never because never for you. Okay, yeah, because of the ending. Yeah, I just can't got it.
Dara Resnik:Sorry, I think I didn't miss that part because I was. I was focusing on the ending being yeah, sort of exactly. Again, you know what my thing is? Like nothing happened that surprised me. Yeah, it just was. Like I kept it kept me like Where's the surprise?
Johnny Spoiler:Oh, the exact thing that I thought was here's the fun thing, though People are still gonna take the ride of the movie, even though maybe we like battered it a little bit because we had so much fun Rewriting it. And then we we talked so passionately about why we don't like it that people are still gonna be like, oh, maybe I should go watch the win.
Dara Resnik:I kind of hope they do, and then I hope that they find me on Instagram and like want to get into a conversation about it, because I Really like this is the kind of movie I love to watch, just for those conversations Like.
Jordan Savage:I was excited to sit with you guys because I was like well, this is a weird thing that I would not normally have seen and we talk about it all the time of how like, honestly, the Conversation that I have about the movie sometimes is the best part about the movie, so it like will teeter between ratings. You're like it was a pinch never for me, but I've been having such a good time like talking about it that I'm like I would talk about it again. So I feel that I think switching gears to fan service very quickly.
Johnny Spoiler:Fans chime in this month. We want to know what your feel good movies of the month are, or Darrah has invited you to get on our Instagram and talk about the win the way long.
Jordan Savage:Yes and.
Johnny Spoiler:I just want to say quick.
Johnny Spoiler:I want to say to the answer to the win guys oh yeah, just a quick thanks to Javier for saying you guys are a blessing. That's a hardcore comment. That's from you are YouTube's, and Molly just simply saying this was so good. Thank you, molly. And if you guys want to shout out to us, if you drop a voicemail you get a chance to win, like a movie bundle or a Wood to get card or something, something fun. Down the road we got stocking stuffers around the corner as well, so I will be a mine for all of stocking full of movies or something do a video subs.
Jordan Savage:I miss a video.
Johnny Spoiler:Oh yeah, jordan loves the videos. Guys, they'll get those video submissions and Alright, we've arrived at staff picks. Is there something else we can talk about besides the movie the week? Especially if you go like, why do you force us to watch the wind? What else is going on? We actually have a showrunner who does true crime, mystery killer shows and she's here tonight. So we're gonna ask her some questions about her shows and movies and her experience and all that good stuff, and then she can tell us where the audience needs to go. So after we ask you some questions, we like to break every wall imaginable the fourth, the fifth to sixth. It's very mechanical. Everybody knows it's a podcast. After we ask you all these questions, then you can tell us what the audience needs to do, where they need to find you all that good.
Dara Resnik:Yeah, no problem. I also really want to give you my feel-good movie of the week. Oh Sure, yeah, like the whole month.
Johnny Spoiler:What's your feel-good movie?
Dara Resnik:My wrist is so random, but I'm like researching this thing set in West Texas, and so my friend was like, have you seen true stories, the talking heads movie, also from weirdly 1986, and? And? And I watched it and I just was like, well, this is a delight, and why are we all? I mean, it's another like totally weird, weird movie, but it was a total delight.
Johnny Spoiler:So I that's my like feel-good Is that the one they're putting back in theaters.
Dara Resnik:Are. If they are, I don't know. My friend was like, have you seen this movie? Because it all it has all this like expansive West Texas setting and the and John Goodman singing talking head songs and the talking heads pretending like they're not actually narrating. It's a very strange meta, layered, bizarro, mockumentary, ish kind of movie from the from the mid 80s. It feels like a delightful little time capsule. So that's a good rep.
Jordan Savage:Yeah, I'm gonna put it on the list, please, tom did you kick off the questions.
Johnny Spoiler:Oh yeah, I'll jump right in. Okay, here we go. Do you write every day, or, and if so, can you share some quirky details about your process?
Dara Resnik:Oh, wow, um, yeah, I do write almost every day. I Like I love to journal everyone, journal with me everywhere. I'm not one of those writers who writes down like all my ideas and like a little book. I actually mostly I have my idea like a thousand, post it and it's on that thing. I try to sit and write at least a few pages every day. The latest, my, my, my process changes all the time.
Dara Resnik:I have ADHD and like that hyper focus thing is real, but only when I can find it, and so finding it is like a whole thing. I just signed up for this thing called cave day. This is like a look, I am not being paid for this at all. It's like a. It's like a weird sort of ADHD like mirroring thing when you like signed up for these zooms, where you like declare what your task is with a bunch of other people who are from all over the world, and then you like Mono task and just do that one thing for an hour or two hours or three hours, and that's been super helpful lately In terms of, like my, I love to write in Vegas hotel rooms.
Dara Resnik:They're like sound or soundproof, so like you can sort of like, really like like Totally hyper focus. But then when you get bored of hyper focus, you can just go downstairs and see a bunch of like flashy things and weird people and be inspired and go back upstairs. Also Hot tip really good hiking in Vegas. People don't think about that. Um, yeah, and I and I have like a little clatch of people that I've been friends with for like 20 years who I, you know, slide my early pages to and, and you know, trust them to tell me whether something fucking sucks. No, you are gonna tell you whether something fucking sucks, guys.
Johnny Spoiler:Yeah, absolutely yeah, absolutely no. Yes, people no, you're on the crew or the writers are. What's a common misconception people have about show runners?
Dara Resnik:Oh, that's a really. I mean. I think one of the most common misconceptions is that the showrunner and the writer are two different people. I think the so the showrunner is. Generally there are directors who are showrunners and there are non-writing producers who are showrunners, but mostly the showrunner is somebody who needs to be both a producer and a writer. You need to be both like business and logic-minded, because you need to be thinking about schedules and budgets and moving pieces around and all Logistics of physically making something, and you need to be able to like run a writer's room and be a bit of like a story, you know, pitch-fest kind of person. So it's a it for me.
Dara Resnik:It's funny because I didn't move out here to be a writer, I moved out here to be a producer. I went to the Peter Stark producing program at USC and thought, oh, I'll just be a producer, and then sort of reading these scripts and these Scripts were terrible. So it was like, well, fuck it, I can at least write as well as most of these terrible people, for example, like the wind and. And then it like took my I was an econ major in college and it took my like econ major brain and my like logic brain and my writing brain and sort of mashed them all together into a job which you know, hopefully we can all get back to soon, once the actors are soft or strict.
Johnny Spoiler:Now Marvel fans often discuss Marvel before Disney and Marvel after Disney. As a Marvel producer, have you noticed a difference?
Dara Resnik:Oh my, God, yeah, I did two shows for Marvel, I did Daredevil for Netflix and then I just was a consultant on Echo and it seems like, from what I can tell in terms of what the news is saying, about what Marvel? Have you guys been reading all the Marvel news this last week?
Johnny Spoiler:Well, I mean, it's funny you mentioned Echo because I had kind of a follow-up in there. Are you writing on Echo? I did not write on.
Dara Resnik:Echo, I was there to be a consultant, so we did the pilot for the Horrors of the Loeris Road and we were waiting for Amazon to make a decision. Marvel needed a consulting producer, which basically means you sort of come in at like on usually a weekly basis, sort of at like less than your usual rate, but like your hours can be a little bit more chill, and I was there basically just to help them get their train on the tracks, which I think we did pretty successfully. So when I was at Netflix it was I can't remember why am I blanking I was saying Jeff was running Marvel Studios and Jeff Loeb, and then by the time I got back for Echo, it was Kevin Feige and I think look, I think when Kevin is deeply involved in something like you know you saw how great WandaVision was and Loki was and all of that Like I think he is incredibly story-minded and really smart and he really rolls up his sleeves to make those shows good. I think it sounds like, from what I can tell a lot of the press, this week was about you know it was Disney. Putting Lewis, the other number two over there was talking about how Disney was like more, more, more, more, more, more more.
Dara Resnik:And I think that you know, as opposed to when we were at Netflix, where it was like there were just those four shows and we were all like in our like, we each had a different level in Prospect Studios, which is also where Sean the Land is and where General Hospital shoots, it's like this really cute little studio out in Silver Lake and you know, we all of those Netflix Marvel shows had these great little areas and we would intersex sometimes and have these mixers. It was small, it felt like a small studio. By the time I got there for Echo it was huge and it sounds like what they're trying to do. Post-strike, especially because they had to put a pin in. Everything is sort of really rein in how many they're doing, how they're doing them, the way in which they bring in writers and who those head writers are, and I really liked everybody over there. So I hope that they're able to get it on track. I know they felt disappointed with the last few things that came out for them.
Johnny Spoiler:So Did they tap your expertise or any of your colleagues' expertise for the new Daredevil?
Dara Resnik:They. I will I have to be like, very careful about what I say or don't say. Definitely they've been knocking on some of my coworkers my former coworkers' doors for that. I don't believe any of them ended up on it ultimately, but definitely the fact that I had done Daredevil for Netflix. Echo and Daredevil are actually lovers in the comics. They obviously are very far apart in age in this current mythology and so that wasn't what we were doing. But the fact that I was steeped in some of that Marvel mythology and could bring some Matt Murdock knowledge to the table, I think was very helpful in pitching for that show.
Johnny Spoiler:Shifting gears a little bit. Thank you for providing this information on everything that's coming on there. Can you think of a situation where you had to handle where, as a showrunner, you were trying to execute the vision, but then a director or a writer sought differently from you? Could you tell us, maybe an example of how you handled something like? That, yeah, as a showrunner or as a younger, yeah from the perspective of a showrunner, if you had a director or a writer that had a different vision than what you were trying to execute?
Dara Resnik:I mean. So the nice thing about being a showrunner is when the writer is working for you, you do. I mean, I'm a teacher also, so one of the things I really love to do is use most of those things as like a teachable moment, right. So if a script comes in and it's a younger writer you don't really like, or even if it's a colleague who's the same sort of level as you, but you're the boss, I like to use that as I'm very upfront, I'm such a New Yorker like I'm not into like any of the LA bullshit stuff of like, oh, that's great. And then I like go and hate it and rewrite it. I'll say like, like, it was a great try, which is, I always believe, and here's what I would want you to do differently. And if I have time to let that person do it and like give them those notes and have them do it a second time, then I will. And if not, I'll say this is not about you.
Dara Resnik:And I always tell people you know, unless they are rude, like misdeadlines all the time, don't show up all that stuff, fall asleep in the room. They're like some things that will get you fired. But I always say to people like you're here because you're talented. You're not getting fired. So, like, take a bunch of swings, relax. I'm going to rewrite this. It doesn't feel good when you get rewritten, but I promise this is like just about me doing it the fastest possible way. That will get me what I need.
Dara Resnik:With directors it's a little bit harder, especially because the DGA, you know. You can have directors who aren't doing what you ask them to do and if you interfere a little bit too much, they can sort of dangle like well, I'm going to call the DGA on you, which is never had. No one's ever said that to me. I feel like I walked that line well, but I know how to walk it. Just by the way, one of the things we were striking for is more writers on set so that they can learn how to navigate those kinds of issues I tend to.
Dara Resnik:It was, weirdly, it was easier when I was a younger writer, but when I wasn't the boss, because I could always sort of sidle up to a director and be like I love my job, you seem to love your job. I don't think that the showrunner is going to be happy with what you're doing. So let's like together, try to cover our asses and like, shoot the things that we know they're going to need in the editing room. It's interestingly especially as a female it's a little bit harder as the boss, you know, because I can up front say, look, I'm not going to use that center punch shot, that's not, that's not the style of the show, we haven't used it yet. If you want to use it, that's your priority. But I'm also going to ask you, as a director, to please get these five things that I know I am going to use. So maybe you should save the thing that you really want to do until the end and do the other thing.
Dara Resnik:You know, I think that it's really challenging for directors in this day and age. You know, most of the work is in television rather than in features and the writer in television has more power. And I think that that's really hard for folks who came up through directing ranks and wanted to be like the visionary auteur. And I tell people who want to do that please go, do that. Like, write your own thing or make a small independent movie. But when you're a visiting director on an episodic set, your job is to give the show runners, the writers, the editors, the studio, the network, what they are asking for, and give them the pieces to play with later.
Johnny Spoiler:You know, I think I just wanted to. I was going to ask you another question, but I think I'm going to forgo it because I just want to touch on your. Taking those instances and making a teachable moment out of them is kind of unique, so I got to give you a lot of credit for doing that because that's not the perspective of the general Hollywood mentor or the relationship between, like a journeyman writer or journeyman director, and the most there's a lot of.
Johnny Spoiler:I guess I could be looking at my own ones, but I'm just saying like experientially from the industry, looking at it from a bird's eye view of what happens, that's not common, and so again, kudos to you and props. I don't I wish I could think of a more lovely word right now, but I think that's a really unique approach, so give you a lot of credit.
Dara Resnik:Thank you. I mean, look, I try to treat people the way I like to be treated and I've been really fortunate. I've had people who treated me terribly, exactly as you're saying. I didn't like it and I filed it away as like I don't want to treat people this way and I you know Andrew Marlowe on Castle was like a huge mentor and gave me every teachable moment that he could. Rena Mammoon, who I worked for on Mr System Pushing Daisies. Brian Fuller on Pushing Daisies those three people in particular were just really good to me in terms of like taking me under their wing and explaining what their process was and letting, giving me a chance to like do it again and do it right and learn from my mistakes. I feel really fortunate that I had those experiences because I think you're right, I think most people don't and I've tried really, really hard to pass that on.
Jordan Savage:I know I'm just a novice movie watcher and I have no experience in either of your industries other than being on this podcast, but it's something that I can definitely relate to.
Johnny Spoiler:She joins a creative marketing.
Jordan Savage:Yes, I exactly I'm in sales and I'm in, yeah, in marketing and it's just like you're speaking to something that I do have kind of a lot of commonplace with and just being able to admire like taking that approach. That's something that I value in my leaders and it's something that I value in the person, that I want to be on my team and like see the change that I want to see either on my team or on my squad, and so, yeah, it was just very wonderful to hear.
Dara Resnik:I'm glad you do it too. It's nice to meet other people who view things that way.
Jordan Savage:It's kind of like passing the baton in a sense. There's always going to be this other generation coming up in that industry or in your industry. For me it's sales, and so obviously I'm not passing anything down onto anybody quite yet, but I will someday, and so it's like you remember those moments for sure, good or bad, yeah for sure.
Dara Resnik:And it's one of those like to me and I don't know if you feel like this in creative marketing. Like my dad's a lawyer, I had a great college education in economics. If making money was the thing, I can go make money a whole lot of different ways. If I'm choosing to do it this way, don't we want it to be supportive and communal and fun and be able to roll up our sleeves and like each other while we're working together? Whenever someone takes this really cool thing that we get to do for a living and makes it not fun, it sort of blows my mind because I'm like what else do you need In life to be happy? Like you get paid to do like the coolest job? Like, why are you miserable?
Johnny Spoiler:Well, that was hard for me when I was in film school and coming down to film school was like I went there because I thought everybody loved movies. You know, realizing it's a business and like business agendas and politics and everything that got everything in between and fraternity rules and everything that goes with it really surprised me because I was just a guy that was in love with movies, you know. Yeah, so that was a whole different experience. But, jordan, you have some questions as well.
Jordan Savage:Yeah, I think you covered one of mine, but I related them a little bit more to the staff picks that you made, essentially. So I'll just ask too what motivated you to adapt the real life story of Hildi Lysak into a family friendly mystery series, and how did you approach balancing fact and fiction in a home before dark?
Dara Resnik:That's a really great question and it was like one of the greatest experiences of my life. So I, like I said I had a weird little girl who, like, wanted to watch grown up stuff and they're like, some of the stuff was just like a little too grown up she was seven at the time. That that's that the material from Hildi Lysak and Matt came across my desk and you know, and like the other such she was watching, like made me want to die, was you know, you're watching some of these children's shows and you're like, oh God, please don't make me want to. But she loved, you know, et and she there was some stuff that we did love to watch together. And so she was friends with a little girl in her preschool whose mother is a producer that I've known for a really long time and the mom and I were having.
Dara Resnik:This is one of those moments where, like, sometimes it's fraternity. You know there's you're talking about those fraternity rules. A lot of times I've been sort of shut out by those fraternity rules because, like, I'm a lady person, but in this case it was like lady rules kind of got me in. Like you know, we were like exhausted, hardworking moms having a glass of wine, watching our children kill each other on the living room floor. And she was like I just got the rights to Hildi and Matt Lysak story Do you know who they are? And I had.
Dara Resnik:I had followed Hildi's story as a you know, a young, seven, eight year old reporter who had scooped a murder in her hometown when a man murdered his wife with a hammer I mean, it wasn't even like he didn't like murder his wife in a nice, clean, poison way like which is normally how women do it. He murdered her with a hammer and an eight year old like reported on that and her dad led her because he was a crime reporter and I was obsessed with the story and I sat down with Hildi and Matt and it just struck me you know it was something I was wrestling with as a pretty newly divorced parent, something I was wrestling with as I've been in like so much therapy about my own family. But one of the things that Matt said that was to me the essence of it was the emotional essence of it was, you know, he had covered Trayvon Martin and Sandy Hook and some of like the shootings in the Bronx, like really awful shit, and he had been so disillusioned by. He skipped college to go work for the Daily News and the Post. Like this is a guy who was, like, obsessed with journalism and he moved his family out of New York City all four girls and his wife to Ceylon's Grove, pennsylvania, which is where he was from, and he could barely get out of bed and he was supposed to write a book. He couldn't write and his daughter started riding her bike around Ceylon's Grove, pennsylvania, and she, you know, restarted the paper that she'd done in New York and scooped this murder and that one viral and he rediscovered the love of the thing that he had once truly adored and had given his life to.
Dara Resnik:You know her passion for this thing and the purity of it, the purity of looking for what is the truth, which is like I realize it's very child that we think of that as a very childlike idea, but don't we all actually want that? It's one of the reasons that, right, like I haven't subscribed to the LA Bullshit is like I want what the truth is. If the truth is, you don't like my work, just fucking tell me like I'm a big girl, I can take it. We are meaner to kids than we are to each other. And so you know and I thought about every, every kid just wants to fix their parent. I think that's a really universal core wound for so many people.
Dara Resnik:And that really was what our North Star was Like. He we knew we couldn't put Sandy Hook in. We knew we couldn't. Matt had had cancer as a kid. We knew we couldn't put that in, but we knew that, like her looking for the truth, and that there was a truth to be found and that he was broken, that Matt, the fictional Matt, was broken because of something and that his daughter could help him rediscover who he really was and pull him out of that. That was the North Star event. And the one of the most gratifying things that's ever happened in my career is Matt and Hildy and Bridget and the other girls calling and saying you know, this is not our family, but you captured the essence of our family and that that was really, really special. We're still really close friends. I still. I still text the Lisiacs on a pretty regular basis.
Jordan Savage:So, but that was incredible to hear. Yeah, capricorn essence, and you kind of talked a little bit about the next one, but just can you share some insights into creative decisions behind setting the series in a small town and how the location contributes to the overall atmosphere and storytelling? And home before dark.
Dara Resnik:Yeah. So I mean this is also goes back to like a show running thing, right, like you are presented with various choices, given your budget, and then you have to make the best creative choice possible. It was legally it would be bad for us to set it in Pennsylvania, because the best version of a true story to do, according to the lawyers, is either completely fictionalize it or make it like so true that like no one can sue you. We were like in that weird nebulous in between space and so they were like please don't get us sued, because Hildi had really made a lot of trouble in Silasgo, pennsylvania. We were worried that like the cops and all the people that she'd pissed off were going to maybe try to come after us. So they gave us a, a Paramount Studios gave us, I think, three options for shooting.
Dara Resnik:Um that we narrowed it down to Savannah, georgia and Vancouver, and we went to Vancouver and just were. So what we loved about Vancouver in particular was, you know, all those Twilight movies are shot up there and it has that like very real but very magical feeling and we wanted to show, despite the fact that it was dealing with kidnapping and murder and all this stuff, cause, like kids know that stuff happens. Um, we, we wanted the show to feel magical While she's investigating murders and kidnappings and and all that stuff. So we shot a ton of it in, like those woods up in Vancouver, and we realized that the topography of Washington state was really really similar to that and if we just reset it in Washington state we could indemnify ourselves against any legal problems and also not have to, like you know, for DeLore. We shot DeLore's in Toronto and that was like it made me feel so like sure about the choice for home before dark, to shoot Vancouver for Washington, because we didn't have to do a lot of machinations, aside from, you know, painting out a Canadian flag here and there.
Dara Resnik:It looked like the place we were depicting and in terms of why, a small town, I don't know. I'm a New York city kid. I'm obsessed with small towns. I'm obsessed with like things looking perfect but actually being sort of like. The thing about New York is people are like you're so scary, I'm like no, new York is exactly what it says. It is everywhere, everywhere else. Scared, like suburb, scared the shit out of me. Whenever you see like a bunch of identical houses in a row, something shitty is happening in one of those houses. So I was really excited to set something in a place and, like, really start to peel back the layers of what small town life in America might look like.
Jordan Savage:John, anything else?
Johnny Spoiler:No, I was just going to say that makes sense, because the city presents itself as like what they say is what they mean, but in the other environments, what they mean is not what they say. So, yeah, I understand what the picture you're painting, because it's a lot of it's true. It's like they say like oh, don't believe in stereotypes, but it's like. But there's a fundamental reason why people continue to talk about stereotypes, either in jokes or storytelling because there's some truth to every myth, right? Something like that. I hope you had fun. We enjoyed having you on the show. It's been pretty fun for us.
Dara Resnik:This is really fun. You guys are great. Anything. If you just want to watch something else, I'll come hang out anytime, nice.
Johnny Spoiler:Where should our audience tune in, or what can they do for you? What should they do?
Dara Resnik:I would love for everybody to try to find. We're still waiting on our second season pickup for the horror of Dolores Rudge. We don't know if that's happening, so it'd be great if folks want to watch a little half hour delight of cannibalism and murder and comedy. Find that on Amazon Prime, please. It came out July 7th and it was number two on Amazon for a while, so it was pretty cool and I really hope everybody finds Home Before Dark. It's one of the most gratifying things has been random people being like oh, you did that show Home Before Dark and not a ton of people found it when it came out. A lot of families did because it was during lockdown. But then it sort of fell off the radar and it seems like it's still sort of out there and people are finding it. So Home Before Dark is on Apple TV plus and yeah, feel free to like look up my stuff and give me some green envelopes from Daredevil and I Love Dick and all those other fun shows.
Johnny Spoiler:All right, here's where we part ways and say good night. And oh, thanks for your entry in the feel good movie month. We appreciated the reference. That's cool.
Dara Resnik:Let me know how that goes for you guys. It was so nice to meet you guys. You're awesome, wonderful to meet you.
Johnny Spoiler:Take care, We'll be in there. We'll be waiting for that second season.
Dara Resnik:Oh God, your mouth to God's ears, my friend.
Johnny Spoiler:All right, good night.
Dara Resnik:Good night.
Johnny Spoiler:Hey, Jordan, hey. So we're going to wrap it up, but I think we should tell our audience about feel good movie. Month is dropping, so we're going to. We want, Jordan wants all your videos. She wants to be a voyeur and like watch you talk about feel good movies to make yourself feel good. That's what's uh, exactly.
Jordan Savage:And you want to feature yourself on our podcast If you do a video submission. I want to hear and see about your feel good month, but you know what, though, it's a.
Johnny Spoiler:it's like a great time of the year, right.
Jordan Savage:It is.
Johnny Spoiler:And uh, basically, I think for the first, um, for the first round is going to be a movie called yesterday. Right, we're just like the premises. Should I tell the premise or just let them figure it?
Jordan Savage:out. No, don't tell the premise. That's for next week.
Johnny Spoiler:Okay, I'll leave it.
Jordan Savage:I like to be surprised.
Johnny Spoiler:Yeah, what's, what are you drinking?
Jordan Savage:Water Boring. It's not a Stanley, it's a Stanley Duke.
Johnny Spoiler:I'm not a Stanley person, so stuff and those in products that aren't sponsoring us Jeez.
Jordan Savage:Well, that was an unendorsement, so next time.
Johnny Spoiler:Stanley where are you at?
Jordan Savage:Stanley, get at me.
Johnny Spoiler:By the way, just for your references, personal references this waterboy thing that's supposed to help with the hangovers. Yes, it actually set your PX balance. I felt like I could feel my PX balance going right. However, I'm conflicted because I want to just like the lemon line tastes so good, I want to stick it in a margarita, but that would defeat the purpose. Right.
Jordan Savage:You know what I mean. It's like people, when they like, mix it with vodka in a water bottle. Yeah, I'm like, come on.
Johnny Spoiler:It's a recovery beverage. You know it's supposed to write the ship and you're just like, nah, let's just add it, Add it.
Jordan Savage:Yeah, yeah, I don't know, maybe a little hydration. Margarita is a thing.
Johnny Spoiler:Best of both worlds. Why can't?
Jordan Savage:you do it.
Johnny Spoiler:Yeah, why can't you?
Jordan Savage:no-transcript.