Back In The Day: Boiler Room

We discover how all life in America is about competition. With help from a little movie called Boiler Room from the Year 2000…

On tonight’s episode:

Back In The Day, 20 years ago, during that Y2K, they released a bunch of great movies.

Back in the day, they released Boiler Room.  With Giovanni Ribisi, Nia Long, Ben Affleck, Tom Everett Scott, Ron Rifkin, Vin Diesel, Nicky Katt, Scott Caan, and Jamie Kennedy.

What is Boiler Room about? A college dropout, attempting to live up to his father's high standards, gets a job as a broker for a suburban investment firm which puts him on the fast track to success. But the job might not be as legitimate as it first appeared to be.

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According to imdb:

“Seth Davis (Giovanni Ribisi) is a college dropout running an illegal casino from his rented apartment. Driven by his domineering father's disapproval at his illegitimate existence and his desire for serious wealth, Seth suddenly finds himself seduced by the opportunity to interview as a trainee stock broker from recent acquaintance Greg (Nicky Katt). Walking into the offices of JT Marlin, a small time brokerage firm on the outskirts of New York - Seth gets an aggressive cameo performance from Jim (Ben Affleck) that sets the tone for a firm clearly placing money above all else. Seth's fractured relationship with his father and flirtatious glances from love interest Abbie (Nia Long) are enough to keep Seth motivated in his newfound career. As he begins to excel and develop a love for the hard sale and high commission, a few chance encounters lead Seth to question the legitimacy of the firm's operations - placing him once again at odds with his father and what remains of his morality. With homages to Wall Street, and Glengarry Glen Ross, it's a decent debut feature for Ben Younger whose script exposes a truly sinister side of an already immoral business.”

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Transcript

spk_0:   0:02
well, so we're doing like back in the day releases. Dave wants to do this thing where we take it all the way back to the year 2000 y two k Correct. Crack open a cold box of wine, or pour something cold on ice because it's the binge watchers podcast  

spk_0:   0:22
And 20 years to the day all these movies came out. But I challenged it, even said, Well, let's not pick our favorite movies from 2000 or movies we've already talked about. So if we've ever I had a conversation about, like on almost famous castaway or What's your other favorite? Dave?

spk_1:   1:06
Well, hi, Fidelity was one of them. Oh

spk_0:   1:08
yeah, We can talk about Jack Blacker. What's his name from the few sack that we can't talk about? The Q. Secondhand fidelity. We mentioned it on the pot before, so we're really challenging ourselves. Not to be absolutely watchers, even though it's damaged watchers podcast we wanted to go for All right, what's back in the day. What's more rare, and what also came out the year 2000 is a lot of releases. I mean, there's a ton of part of the movies that come out in the year 2000. It's kind of ridiculous. Like 100 popular movies come out that year, it's It's insane, so you can look it up. You can I Andy B. Movie releases from 2000 But I did notice January 2000 was a real shitty month for releases. Well, yeah, but collectively, it's a great year for movies like David. I talk about this life. It's like every other odd year is good or every other second, even year is good. It's like hit or miss for releases with movies, right? You have a banner year, then you don't have a banner year. They have a A few years were just kind of lags. And, uh, I mean, it looks like next year is gonna have a lot of good good stuff coming out today. This year wasn't that terrible. There's at least

spk_1:   2:16
no, it's not that bad. It's just like I said, there's a lot of you know there's a lot of for gotten stuff in here. I might change my second pick later on, but there's a lot of forgot movies that I really liked at the time. Yeah, uh,

spk_0:   2:30
but tonight we'll be talking about boy the room, which is, Ah, money movie. And there's only a handful of money movies actually, like, um, there's one with Jeez, um, Jeremy Irons and, oh, margin Camels. But yeah, there's margin. Call

spk_1:   2:51
his margin call. There's this Wall Street, of course, is like the

spk_0:   2:56
wolf of Wall Street is probably the pinnacle now the new golden standard. Yeah, And besides that there is while the big short, there's only a few movies that are like about financial issues or whatever. Yeah, Wall Street was the classic, right? You know, what is his name? Gordon Gekko, right? Yeah.

spk_1:   3:13
Yeah. So played by Michael Buggers

spk_0:   3:16
and Glengarry Glen Ross. Kind of like a a movie about another boy, the room.

spk_1:   3:23
But those guys are, like, down on their luck that that's the low, low, low, low.

spk_0:   3:27
Well, but like all the guys in boy the room are literally referencing thes other movies. That right? And so the movies. Very reflexive. And the filmmaker definitely like he likes these financial movies. Perhaps he had a job. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe he interned on Wall Street. I really don't know. 22 is also the 19 nineties like hip hop soundtrack that's in this movie. Yes, like it has all the has all the stuff, even even literally references. Notorious B. I. G in the world Order like he like. Like the guy. The main characters are like talking about this music. And then you hear it. They're talking about these movies that you see it like at one point out. I guess it's like a tradition among these guys. They have a party, one of the senior, uh, stockbrokers houses, like every so often it's like beer and pizza. But then they watch Wall Street and, like, literally like What's his name is doing? The monologue is, uh,

spk_1:   4:20
well, I think it was like then, after, like a minute switches of indie soul, they both take part in it.

spk_0:   4:24
Yeah, like half the room is quoting the movie. It's pointing that Jamie Kennedy's in here is one of the stockbrokers. I didn't remember him in the movie, Atal.

spk_1:   4:32
I didn't either.

spk_0:   4:33
And they haven't doing Yeah, Then they go to Vegas one for they know not Vegas doesn't like anywhere. They go Atlantic City. Probably get on a bus, and they're like all partying because they like their cells quarter, or they got to like a new level with a 90 0 they're trying to sell off and is a pump and dump stock. It's like everything. Well, there's a lot of firms on Wall Street. They play this game basically, like ride the line of it being illegal. Illegal trades. This happens all the time, like trying to engineer a stock and then sell it off toe. Make quick money. And they usually the shareholders who used the ones that e each in on the deals like all their movies, talk about insider trading and how this stuff is really set up. Usually the government gets angry because they don't get a piece or whatever, and they try to go after easy targets and been character makes a couple of mistakes, and in this movie he gets pegged as an easy target or whatever. You know, I know it's a lot to lose. Uh, do you have any more B C? This is kind of him is like a wet behind the year's character. Yeah, funny, because most of the liquor just down and dirty like evens on Easy even has a new show about really like nefarious character sneaky Pete, which is on Amazon, right? It's not like this is where he this is, where he cut his teeth, so to speak. Like in this movie, he's, like, kind of white I innocents, Which doesn't okay, doesn't really. You have to kind of, like, suspend your disbelief a little bit because he seems so innocent throughout the movie. But then he was running an illegal underground casino, right? But he always responds to everything that they're being told, and I guess if they wanted to set that up, like against the film makers, like assuming that the audience needs a way into this special world of insider trading or whatever and stockbroking, he's asking all these questions, that would be like almost rhetorical in the real stock trading world. But he's the audience is waiting to this special world, right? Yeah, so they have. They have been asking all these things that you're just like Okay, like how green is this guy,

spk_1:   6:26
right? But the thing is, is like he's still even though he ran an illegal gambling casino, he was still innocent, cause like he makes a point, at least with the casino, is more honest. Least I provide the service that people wanted versus selling shit people don't need through his penny stocks or whatever they call them. Uh

spk_0:   6:43
oh, yeah. He points out of kind of interesting, like paradox. Whatever. Yeah, people go to the casino, their gamble, our money freely. They know those in the money, but the other way, the other way is like they're going, They're they're gambling their money, but they're not part of the process of the gambling. Right? Right. So it feels like that's the disadvantages there robbing people their money. But people don't understand that they're actually gambling away their livelihoods. If they knew that may be a front than they maybe play the game differently. I don't know. Um, I don't really suck. I don't trade any stock. I work for a company that gives you, like I had stock, like, put into, like, my for a one K's or whatever, like, you know, compensation package. But I never, like, sought out like to trade anything or to border invested anything, right? And if you watch these movies, you wouldn't want to. You'd be so terrified you would never want to put your money into anything. You know, like that guy hair, your whatever whose wife and kids leave him later on in the movie, like 40 minutes. And now our 10.

spk_1:   7:46
Oh, yeah, because he had to put it. You had to put a face to the, You know, people. They're fucking over in this movie,

spk_0:   7:51
I guess. And that's the thing about money. Crimes is you don't really equate the human equation to it because it's just dollars on a computer screen. I think I have health insurance companies operate, too. Like they don't have the deal really with the people, because all they see is numbers on the screen. You know you don't

spk_1:   8:05
get your statistics.

spk_0:   8:07
Yeah, there's a disconnection. And that's an s far wife. Humans are very like we used to be tribal, and now we're like we're, like, disjointed or just a genuine or like we're somehow even more separated beyond, like, even just the global tribe. I don't know how to describe, you know, it's like I don't know. It's like probably the new soldiers they're training that just kill people through video games. You know, he doesn't mean like drone operators, like something just blew up on the screen. I didn't Really I wasn't really in the village, you know, Um, weird times. I mean, we're talking World War Three Iran. Whatever. Here we are, watching the rod. Oh, wait. Should we mention the globes? I mean, when this gets out, the gloves of head, like there they go, lives would have come out. Like, you know, when this episode drops people, you have had, like, two days to read about the Golden Globes on the Internet. You know our mind. Joaquin took it for the Joker. Brad Pitt got something I think about something for writing. I might be spoiling this for Dave. I don't know. I

spk_1:   9:13
haven't been watching it. I don't watch the globe. The globe's air kind of a joke to me now

spk_0:   9:17
that the trash words right,

spk_1:   9:19
well, they only they only vote are the only nominate on star power alone. Like Okay, lucky and made a big movie. Okay, the Joker is big. Alright, so that'll bring stars, But like, they nominate shit all the time. That has no business being nominated. Yeah, like the big one was years ago. They nominated, um, that movie the tourist with, uh, Johnny Depp in Angelina Jolie, and it was like generously believed to be a bad movie. But they nominated it because that bring Johnny Depp and Angelina Jolie to the show does that kind of shit, like sometimes they folks think

spk_0:   9:56
Waters aren't really going put any stock in the Golden Globes. Actually, uh, I don't think I've ever watched them televised. I watch the Academy Awards every year. That was my thing. I mean, like, when I was 10 I only wanted to do was won an Oscar. I wanted to make a movie and go to the Oscars like that was, you know, But it's a dream, a dream that now lives in my guests for you think I really like guys I don't even know. I'm probably about as faras away from fulfilling your dreams is one could be like I'm actually the Kevin Smith shooter. Get off the pot age. Now, look, I think we've arrived at the age of the the Clerks age, like either you go on, make something or, like you're like, you know, um, I don't know. I don't know what to say. Like, I really don't want to say like, uh, I don't want to be a cautionary talent like the characters in this movie. But the makers handsome sum up to fail. But he's got this whole thing with his daddy.

spk_1:   10:53
There's a lot to do with Daddy. Think

spk_0:   10:56
the what? Like there's always one story. There's always these other themes and motifs like, um, Giovanni really tapped into some deep pain, man. And we breaks out in the courtroom. Well, not the courtroom, but like his dad's office at the courtroom.

spk_1:   11:11
Yeah, because he has you. He has a breakdown in front of his dad because he just like he just needs some parental, like, just show me something. Show me that you cared

spk_0:   11:20
about that it's all business, right? That adds, like, your stuff's affecting my career and you gotta change your ways or take down my career. And I've invested my whole life being a judge. Well, whoa, I raised you, but we'll block. And then he acquits like a childhood memory of his dad coming to his aid or rescue when he broke his leg. Yeah, but then I guess his dad made some kind of offhanded comment made he made you think he didn't like him his whole life or whatever. And then the dad shared a different perspective, a different perspective of like of like Daddy moments, like what it's like to be a dad in the moment when you're trying to have one desired outcome for your trouble, and that's not what's happening and it's out of your control is kind of, I think, with the dad. The dad is trying to express this moment. Joe. Daddy, um,

spk_1:   12:02
that's kind of what I got. He just, you know, he had to be the dad and take care of him, you know, slap him out of his hysteria, if you will.

spk_0:   12:09
Um, anyway, so Human says his dad to help above it and puts his dad in jeopardy and going to jail. The FBI's like investigating this firm called Jakey Marlin again. It's a pump it up stock trade. I feel like the filmmakers. We probably borrowed bits and pieces of what was on Wall Street at the time, and probably some of the wolf of Wall Street stuff is mixed in with this. I think that's the most notorious right, definitely am something. There's a couple of stories that came out of Wall Street trading that was like illegal and like, hit the newspapers and it's kind of mixed into this story. But Davis saying they gave him the desire to go back and watch the wolf of Wall Street. You know, you said, Look, after after this one, you wouldn't watch the other one.

spk_1:   12:51
Yeah, and they're very, um I was reading up on some of the notes on boiler room, but yeah, boiler room is definitely loosely based off of Jordan Belfour. Um, you know, like, there's a lot of similarities when you watch the two back to back. I mean, not not that much. There totally separate movies, but you could see the cross. You know, the this cross streams, if you will. Um, you know, like voi the room feels like, Well, it doesn't feel like it is from perspective of one of the underlings that would have been in Jordan Belfort's group. So it's kind of like from the bottom from the bottom

spk_0:   13:28
of this stone boiler room is kind of like from the outside in on the wolf of Wall Street is like from the worst mouth itself. There's a guy named Michael and Boy the Room who I guess would be the wolf of this story. But he's only featured in a couple of scenes. But you know what? He was in a wolf related movie, too, Because he's a kid. That was in American werewolf in Paris.

spk_1:   13:47
Yeah, Yeah. Tom Everett Scott.

spk_0:   13:49
Yeah. And he plays like the main guy, this firm geeky Marlin.

spk_1:   13:52
Yeah, he's the Jordan Belfort. Yeah,

spk_0:   13:54
Yeah, he sits up like these companies that aren't real companies and then invest in them and then tanks them and gets the money out of that hole process. Yeah. Yeah. He brings fake companies published and take some money off the public trades and then move on to the next thing with him and his buddies that air like camel cash or never, right? Um, and Giovanni, just like like a guy caught in the middle. But like you said, he's like a new guy probie who's like watching us all from the outside and then sees a little bit of the dirt and then, like, it's trying to piece it all together. Where is the wolf of Wall Street? Takes you, like, right in from the inside of how somebody that builds an operation like that. Yeah. Yeah.

spk_1:   14:33
Uh huh. I really I don't know how you feel. I don't know. The last time you watched that, I probably seen it for, like, 15 years or so, but, like, it holds up really well. Um, I thought, um, I showed it to my wife who had never seen And she really get, um, like, the performances of great Giovanni Kind of stills a show. But, like, there's people in here that just aren't really You don't see any more like Nicky Katt me of law on, um, you know, there's, like, a bunch of, like, good actors in this that you don't really see around anymore. It's, like, kind of felt like, uh, kind of. I kind of want to see Nicky Katt movies again,

spk_0:   15:04
huh? Well, that's funny. Yeah, I guess so, Um, like that Scott, uh, cane or

spk_1:   15:11
whatever you call it

spk_0:   15:12
on. Um, players are like douchebag. You know him in the place. Him? The boys were unearned out. And then, like Vin Diesel was playing an interesting character. Yeah, but then he after this, he's gonna go off and do like, fast and the furious and all that stuff, But Yeah,

spk_1:   15:31
I think fast and furious was the very next year. Um, you know, like I said, I just It was really, really held up for me. Um, kind or something else to say about this movie that's escaping me. Um, maybe the

spk_0:   15:45
editing. You like the editing?

spk_1:   15:46
I mean, the editing was fine. Yeah. Um oh, I know, like I just like some of the messages in it, Like, you know, um, there's that scene where they're hanging out because they're, like, what? Based out of Long Island. Like they're known as, like, kind of the, you know, if you will. They're the kind of bottom feeders, uh, this guy, you know, but they actually go to a Wall Street bar on Wall Street or nearby. And there there's, like, a pissing contest between them and like the real Wall Street guys. And at the end of the day, you realize doesn't matter where they work in Long Island on Wall Street, they're all fucking dish packs.

spk_0:   16:19
Yeah, they are. Because it was funny. Is this movie taps into, like, a certain group of people at a certain time? Like there were a bunch of, like, money, white douche bags right there seem to hip hop music and, like, appropriate in it like it was their own. And trying to make money on Wall Street like this was a thing like money on hand and listening to rap music while wearing your tie and your penny loafers. That was the thing. It wasn't real thing that happened. You know, that taps into this this interesting part of space and time, right? You got to see it in a movie like Buller boiler room because it's not around anymore, right?

spk_1:   16:54
Well, they were also, the other thing I found interesting is like, even though they had all this money, they were still just fucking kids that didn't know shit like, there's a scene we're talking about. Where they ah Goto Ben Affleck's house Watch Wall Street? Well, there's boxes around. There's like a couch, a love seat, But all these guys around, and he's like, Oh, when did he move in? He's like, Oh, what you talking about? He's lived here for eight months, so, like they have millions of dollars, but they can't even have the foresight to furnish their house or, like put away shit.

spk_0:   17:23
Yeah, like I got the impression that they didn't really have much money. Is that claimed they had, you know, like it's all show, you know? I mean, it's all like this thing like,

spk_1:   17:32
Well, there there is that aspect, too. I mean, they called it. I don't want to repeat the word that they used in the movie, but like one of the characters calls the n word rich, you know, saying like, you've got the money. So you bought to you by the Ferrari by the big house, But then you can't afford to pay for the insurance or put gas in your car because you spent it all on the big shit without thinking kid he awarded.

spk_0:   17:55
Yeah, that's the thing, too, Is the movie also takes place in the time with it? Like it was like casual Edward time, right? You don't mean that happens? I didn't remember that. Maybe I'm flaccid out. I was gonna talk about it, but you brought it up so

spk_1:   18:08
well. I mean, I think the point of like, how they have this money, But then like that, making

spk_0:   18:14
literally trying to live the rap music. Like I said, they're literally trying to live it

spk_1:   18:18
right well. And the funny thing is is like they're living. They're making so much more money than the average person. And yet at the end of the day, they're still living paycheck to paycheck, cause they have toe present themselves a certain way.

spk_0:   18:29
It's funny how the paycheck to paycheck sitting doesn't change. Even if you get like, a raise or something that's incentivized or bonuses or whatever. It's like you just overextend yourself on another level.

spk_1:   18:38
Well, I mean, this movie's got a lot of hip hop in it. I mean, to quote another hip hops on more money, more problems, you know? Yeah, like I

spk_0:   18:48
I actually like for Francis. I'll talk about health insurance, So I've never made a lot of money. It wasn't making a lot of money. And I still don't make money, really. But I'm no longer able to get like a h m O, which was like a like a state sponsored plan, because I now make too much money for the state plan, but not enough money to actually go to the doctor and pay the co pay. So I'm like, I'm like, OK, well, I guess I gotta like roll the dice on which health problems are actually serious. And where's aren't like I remember they had the insurance people come to our office. Maybe I said this podcast already all right? I don't know, but they came to pitch the new plan for the company and, like, they were, like, talking about how how much it's gonna cost you to go to the emergency room. And I was sitting in my head. Wait a minute. You're gonna punish me for having an accident, which can't be predicted, right? It was like I stepped outside and I saw the ice and I still fell on the ice. It's like walk outside and something falls on your head and you have to go, Tonto means like and they're like, Yeah, well, you know, you kind of made a bad decision by having hours. Did you spend their right? Here's your $350 bill. You know, hopefully could be a currency in six months. You get Theo

spk_1:   19:56
died 350. I think it's like 500 or something. If I have to go to the e. R.

spk_0:   20:01
That's what I'm saying. Like wait a minute. You're punished. Me for having an accident like So what act of God could send me the emergency room, You know, he really mean? And then I made it. I'm gonna reap the bill, right? Order personal, so I'll move on. I'll get back into, like, the world of like, these guys have no health insurance clearly. But when Ben Affleck does his speech, he's also it's not as good as I remember washing again. He liked dialed it in. I don't think he was like, really into it and like he's, he literally says the smile on my face And he's not smiling, you know, They made and he was trying to smile. He was trying to fulfill something, but he didn't do it. He's the trainer at this company. He's like the guy that tries to get people juiced in the idea that they could be millionaires, right? He's selling them on the dream of being the stockbrokers, and he's in a couple other scenes after that. Like you said, he's at the scene in this house was my point. I was going somewhere, Um, damn it, What was I going to

spk_1:   20:57
talk about? How he's not really into her, but

spk_0:   21:00
he's not. He's not really into it. And, like, uh, yeah, watching him again, that I didn't like it. But people always talk about his speech from this movie like they were trying to review the claim. Gary always be closing speech, but in boiler room Oh, put Oh, the point was, I've encountered trainers like that in real life. Like I've been on call floors. I've been in like I bought themselves floors and I've been like, associated with cells, people in, like the working world, right? Like I had, like, a handful of jobs like that. Just office jobs, right, Right. And like And when I get sells for direct TV for a little while and like it's a saying, it was the same thing. Like they sell the dream of you and then you go and sell the drink. Other people on the phone, you know, you don't mean like, and it's just like that, like, Oh, you could do this. You've got to get a suit. Blood. Well, that's something that kills me, too, is like So wait, You're gonna get a suit to get on the phone and talk to somebody who can't see what you look like, You know, I mean, I

spk_1:   21:56
think it's also just part of that douchebag mentality or, you know, um, yeah, I don't know, like Ben Affleck. Uh, I don't know. That stuff still kind of worked for me. I also just kind of bought into it. He's probably said the speech over and over. He just has to play enough along to get the guy's worked up, but I don't know. I mean, I could see that I could see the flaws in the performance, but, um, I know worked on me. Um, you know the other thing, too. Is there also tryingto you know, he says, act as if Like that's a big thing. Well, he's tryingto he really you know, all those characters want to be the Alec Baldwin character in Glengarry Glen Ross. They want to be guarding.

spk_0:   22:36
Life is really like that. Do you think you have to like out monkey the next monkey in the cage to try to reach the banana? Like, Do you think humans really have to be that competitive against each other? Or Americans have to compete against other Americans like that much like is that Is that my mistake. Like not being such a son of a bitch toe. Like, make sure that I get the banana. You don't even want

spk_1:   22:56
that legally. Yeah, like these

spk_0:   22:57
money crimes, their money crimes. Right. So you think about this like they're probably worse crimes. Right? So, like, Yeah, I mean, do you think about that, like So Because you're not willing to the asshole this other asshole is gonna take some of your money or have my money or a better car. Better life. It's not a competition. So is that what it is like? It's planning to the ace. And because I wasn't able to outsmart the gorilla. I'm just the chimp that's never gonna get fed, right? Is that Isn't that what it is like? Yeah, that's

spk_1:   23:31
exactly the case. Like,

spk_0:   23:33
if we don't compete enough, then it's fucking over with. It's like Robin Williams in a movie where you played a cave, man. But he played people, like, in four different time periods, like a Roman slave. And, um, we may have talked about this movie before, but you know what? I'm talking about telling stories or something.

spk_1:   23:48
I know that doesn't sound familiar to me.

spk_0:   23:50
Oh, shit. Okay, Well, he, like Robin Williams, plays guys in, like, four different time periods. He plays a Roman slave. They're supposed to be granted his freedom, but his owner wants and drunk Arturo was his owner. Wants to have, like, a suicide pact with them instead of giving him his freedom papers or whatever. And then hey, plays a cave man and like a more efficient cave man comes by. And so his wife and kids abandoned him and go with the other K people because they're better at the hunting or the gathering or whatever, right?

spk_1:   24:16
It's not bicentennial man, is it?

spk_0:   24:18
No, because he's a robot in that movie.

spk_1:   24:20
I see. I've never seen Bicentennial Man, so I didn't know if, like, way

spk_0:   24:25
had to have a talk about license before.

spk_1:   24:28
I don't think so. I've never even seen Bicentennial Man.

spk_0:   24:31
Oh, man, There was a vigil. Others where we talked about bicentennial. I definitely remember

spk_1:   24:36
that. Might have been a You and Nick warm.

spk_0:   24:38
Maybe Nicky Tea. Yeah, maybe. Because, like, Bicentennial Man, Robin Williams is an android. This gets activated. He's like a domestic. It's domestic robot servant at a house that rich family buys for their daughter or like somebody who works with Robot Company is an executive. Please. Together played TV's Merlin, and he played the guy Undress Park. The 1st 1 What's his name? He's a new Sammy. Oh yes, thank you, Malcolm Badness. Samuel Um, plays an executive at the robotics company. It's the same world as Isaac Asimov wrote series of novels like that one God I've edited into, Ah iRobot. And it's the same world, though there's like the four laws of robotics or whatever boat while you can't harm a human. But what 20 Ron Williams is like a house robot that gets activated and then, like over the course of like, 200 years or whatever of his existence he liked, learns to become more human and then, like, tries to win his like humanity like he tries to get Dean Human like that. He learned how to human, so therefore, he should be accepted as a human right. Um, that's the plot of that one. It's worth watching. It's kind of cool. I mean, but it's early. Cg I So maybe now, but they still had some an animatronic effects. Really. Um, some stuff doesn't move up. It's kind of like I watched two towers. You know, Lord of the Rings on four K over HD. And every time the human actor turns into C I, it's glaringly obvious, like Battle of Helm's Deep, which is like one of the biggest battles on film or whatever. But then I was like, Okay, well, now I'm in a wide shot and clearly 1000 works or C G. I. And 1000 little people on the walls defending the walls or C G. I. Yoda and or, uh, The King. What's his name? Air Gorn, played by Viggo Mortensen, whose latest movie was About the South, and taking a musician to the South Green Book. Whatever. Let's last year's big winner, Right Bigger. Mortensen plays a dude in there. He's fighting in a work on this little world. There's like a It was like Creature that they're right around on and, um, he goes over a cliff. But right before it gets to the cliff, it's almost like watching like a jump cut in video. We're like something's out of frame and it moves and there you go. That's startling, like it was the actor turning into cg I, but it was completely obvious, you know? I mean, and then his character goes over the cliff. You okay? What's another movie has really bad CD like that. We think,

spk_1:   27:14
um, no, I mean, I'm sure there's a ton of, um I'm just trying to Yeah,

spk_0:   27:19
we're talking like early two thousands and thousands. Where a CD? I was like, still clunky, right? Figure it out, You know?

spk_1:   27:27
I mean, there's a ton of them. They're, like, really bad ones. Like I remember. Was it the Dungeons and Dragons movie that came out? It might have even been in 2000. It wasn't that. That's a bad exact. That's an example of, like, really bad C g I, um Yep. Yeah. Uh

spk_0:   27:47
huh. Anyway, so that's what we're gonna do, folks, we're gonna be talking to you. You know, this month about back in the day movies from your 2000 we have a couple pics. I got some pics, Dave got some pics. That's what we're gonna do. Big offices here for you every day. You You could binge watch. Well, I just can't binge watch us because you listen to us. But you couldn't very like play back some of our stuff. We appreciate it, but we're gonna be here for the banging. New episodes back in the day from Dangerous and Johnny Spoiler. I managed, not spoil anything. I don't think I stole it. Anything you might know his character from Lord of the Rings goes over a cliff. That's it. I don't think I really ruin any movie on this one.