Setting Yourself Up For Success Before Vet School

Welcome to another episode of The Veterinary Roundtable! In this episode, the ladies attempt to tell their best knock-knock joke, discuss a rough case regarding a paper shredder, answer a vet student's lengthy, yet insightful, listener question, and more!

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Intro 00:00 
What Is Your Best Knock-Knock Joke? 7:05
What Topic Could You Give A TED Talk About? 8:56
Devyn's Magic Bag 10:05 
Devyn's Case 13:40 
Listener Question (Savannah Kendall) 18:56 
The Financial Aspect Of School 21:02 
A Veterinarian's Salary 26:40 
Work/Life Balance In Vet Med 29:40  
Are There Elective Animal Courses? 32:22 
Outro 35:12

Transcript

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(upbeat music) Hello, all start listeners and welcome to another episode of the veterinary roundtable. The podcast where we answer your veterinary related questions while having some fun along the way. If you enjoyed today's episode, be sure to leave us a review on your podcast provider of choice. And if you have any feedback to offer to improve the veterinary roundtable, let us know.- Did we reach our goal yet for Devon to do something weird?- No, we have to get to, what we decide was it 50 or 100.- 100.- 100 on Apple.- Oh, you know, long way.- Yeah, we gotta get the book.- All right, let's change it to 50.- Well, we can't change the goal now. But I think we need to give the listeners what we're going to do.- We haven't decided yet.- We haven't decided yet. Also common ideas.- Oh yes, ideas.- 'Cause I'm selling my stuff.- They've got the bus cut was one.(laughs)- Leave it in your review, but we should do.- I'm so voting for the billboard as a show.- I think the billboard is paying half.- Oh, go to my Facebook.- Go to Apple and let's do an Apple and then in your review, leave.- Oh, good idea.- Yeah, good least suggestions in your review.- Good job.- Hit me marketing.- Good too.- Essentially the billboard was just, what, have her do something funny on it? Or just be like,- I would have her be like,(laughs)- Come to all start.- The vendor round table.- Yes, we was a big part of the podcast.- Yes, the billboard.- Yes, it would be about the podcast, but it would be Devon on the billboard being like,- I think it should be all of us if we do that.- We could be behind Devon being like,(laughs)- We're a little lower.- Creeping up like lower on the billboard.- I like the podcast because we're behind the,- Yeah, you're more mostly.- That's true, I might want to.- That's true.- For Devon's face, like huge right there on 32.- Mm, good.- Where's your driving?- It would be a crash.- Especially when there's a,- It's the McDonald's one is, you know what I'm talking about.- Yeah.- Right there.- Oh, oh, yeah.- Yeah.- Yeah, the popular spot.- Good.- That's the top idea.- We'll work on my portraits.- But then we have to figure out another one.- Yeah.- Maybe too expensive.- You have a two-bole board?- No, we have to figure out a different idea as well.- Let's keep thinking.- Yeah.- Mm, someone came up, Johnny came up with a milk mile where you have to run a lap around a track, basically you run a mile, but every lap you chug like a glass of milk.- I'm gonna bomb a milk.- You hear this, that's the thing.- That sounds like the office at the store.- I just wanna take you somewhere in public, dressed up in a costume and you just talk to people. I don't know, that'd be fun.- Okay.- We could put her in a microwave.- With a microphone and going to a public place.- You know what, we should think about like some--- Have you ever heard of the bed in a round table if you haven't checked it out?- Exactly, where she's dressed up like a glass of milk.- She could advertise us.- We could just be so weird nowadays. Well, I don't wanna, our little pop tart them to be weird.- She dressed up as a pop tart. That's what it's just.- As long as I was a pop tart.- Unrecognizable.- I'm all for it.- You'll be a little recognized as a pop tart.- And then ask people what their favorite flavor--- They make glass homemade pop tarts.- Yeah.- Me?(laughs)- Remember that podcast where we were talking about Ravioli and you said last year, pop tarts don't have a filling.- Yeah.(laughs)- So she made us pop tarts, they wouldn't have any.- Just bread.- People like the crust on the pop tart.- It was just a moment.- It was just a moment.- But we are up to 126 on Spotify.- What's pickle?- And 38 on Apple.- It's pretty amazing.- Woo, woo, woo.- Oh thank you for all of that.- I really appreciate it.- In Tros.- Okay.- How was everyone's Christmas?- It's really good.- It's really good.- It's a sense of come to town.- He did.- My help. Santa was good.- He's doing very good Christmas.- Yep, absolutely.- Other than the 50 degrees in rain.- The other rear is gross.- It was like we were in like, I don't know, probably-- - Christmas happens too early in our winter. It's not winter until like February.- Yep.- It's so year-long.- It was so muddy and gross out though.- Yeah, yeah.- Enjoyed it.(laughs)- No, it was nice.- I didn't mind the temperature.- I just was like, oh, so wet.- Yeah.- I was ready to stop popping.- Just to smell like fresh air.- Oh yeah, love that fresh rain smell.- Wow, that's true.- The potel is great anyway.- Just good Christmas.- I got browns tickets.- Oh, you did? That's awesome. For when?- Well, it's not guaranteed that we're going because it depends how the Ravens play. The Ravens have to lose. Everyone makes sweet food.- We have to root against the Ravens fan.- 'Cause it's a playoff game. So if the browns get bumped down a seed, then it's not a home game advantage. So we could either be going on the 12th, 13th or 14th.- Okay, all days open.- All days open.- Yeah, so if it's not a home game, we don't get to go.- But we're crossing our fingers. We're gonna go.- Sure.- Okay.- Boo Ravens, yep. Okay, so we're introducing ourselves now, right?- Sure, go for it.- We're gonna do, yeah, let's do it. We talked about that last time.- Yeah, whoops.- Yeah, do you wanna go first?- Sure, I'm Dr. Ashland Ducquil. So she's a veterinarian from all sort of a new clinic.(laughing) And my hair is parted down the middle today.(laughing)- Well, I just let it matter.- It's a new to you for me today.- I didn't even notice.- Wow, sorry. If it was down, I feel like I would have noticed.- Like all the way down.- Time to turn that to sea. I should join the Yon crowd.- It looks so young.- Is this the new trend going around? Partying going in?- I cannot pull off of Yon's.- No, she's a mom.- I mean, I'll be honest.- I look forward to her pull.- It was just how my hair fell and then I was like, okay, no, it's too late. I cannot pull off the middle part.- So say if I'm back to about yourself today.- Okay, I'm Devin, the fortune. I'm her room assistant. I didn't brush my hair this morning.- Okay.- That's actually okay.- Anything.- There's like this.- There's a little nest.- There's a little nest.- So that you can't see.- It looks better unbrushed.- Yeah.- Especially in ponytails, I think.- Okay, I'm pretty Allen. And I don't know if I'm that...- I got new shoes.- There you go.- Those are fake in our industry.- Yeah.- New shoes are very exciting.- It's so cool to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- I'm so happy to see you.- You only watch her here once a week?- I try her twice a week if that's twice a week.- I can never.- I'm like maybe every other night.- No.- I didn't watch her in my hair last night.- I train my hair.- You can train your hair.- I also don't brush my hair after a shower because it breaks easier. So I let it dry.- I let it dry without a brush.- If I did that, I would never get a brush through it.- Yeah.- Otherwise, I'll say.- I think I've yet to see your natural hair.- I've worn a natural hair.- Natural.- Okay, next podcast. Everyone go for a shower.- Everyone go for a shower.- You're scary.- Yeah, that's me.- Oh gosh. All right. What's your best knock knock joke?- Oh, I'm at Toe-Korn-A.- Okay, Devin, you go.- No one.- I do. I have one.- I know, I have one.- Yeah, I did.- Go for a toeven to say what is it?- You go first.- Okay, knock knock.- Who's there?- Wait, why not knock joke?- It's just a joke.- Okay.- On the joke out.- Wow, just knock knock joke. Hit the fail button, that's it. That's right.- Sorry, okay, go.- Okay, knock knock.- Who's there?- Britney Spears.- Britney Spears too.- Who's who?- Knock knock.- Who's there?- Britney Spears. Oops, I did it.- That's a lot of work.- Okay, there you go.- All right, you got it.- Okay, tell your joke.- I was just thinking joke.- Okay.- Why did the sleep go?- I'm not nervous.- Okay, tell your joke.- I was just thinking joke.- Okay.- Okay.- Why did the squirrel cross the playground?- Is that it?- Why?- Why?- To get to the other slide.(laughs)- Okay, I do have one that I think Becca Padal from here said it.- Oh my gosh.- Is that just a joke, sir?- Yeah.- Why do ants never get sick?- Ants as in like a family member, like the bug.- Ants, I was thinking the bug.- The bug?- Why?- Because they have antibodies?(laughs)- Wait, hold on. I have a note.- Oh my gosh.- You have a note of jokes?- Oh my gosh.- Because I wrote a whole bunch down to tell the Jacob and he thought none of them were funny.(laughs)- Oh, I think I deleted it.- Okay, never mind.- Okay.- Maybe next time.- You keep thinking.- Again.- Yeah.- We have a fail button.- I know, but I'm not a big jokester.- You have a big jokester.- Okay, I only have this girl one because my mom tells me it. Like at least once a week.- Okay.- Okay.- What topic?- 'Cause you give a Ted talk about this.- Oh, I got this one.- Okay.- Okay.- Pit bulls.- Oh.- I'm such a great, I can go on and on and on.- That's a good one.- And I'm very, very passionate about it.- Yeah.- Oh, I'm not gonna start.- Get started.- Yeah, get 'em.- Get 'em.- Thank you.- Okay.- I was gonna say cats.- Oh.- Just like cats in general.- Yeah, like to become a cat person.- Yeah.- Okay.- So you just talk about how to spoil your cat.- We'll do that.- Okay.- Okay.- Yeah, I love it.- Shh.- You go.- I would say how to run a successful veterinary practice.- I think that would be a good.- That's Ted talk worthy.- Yeah.- That would be mine.- Mine isn't.- I'm not sitting mine too.- Oh.(laughs)- I don't know. I need you more. I need you more.- I always get my passion of people claiming that we're in it for the money.- I hate that.- Look at them.- I get really like far-roofed.- I can say why?- I'm not just in it for them.- Yeah.- There you go.- All the bars were animal related or veterinary related. That's what we consume our lives with.- I guess I'll leave.- Yeah.- Right? That's what we think about most of the time.- Yeah. That's true.- Okay. We're gonna do one case today to miss Devon.- Oh wait.- I have my magic bag.- Oh.- Magic time. Magic time. Magic time.- Okay.- We had a Christmas themed one. Now we have New Year.- Okay.- I want to be a star. Fire up.- Happy New Year.- You want the cone?- Okay.- Put the cone on.- Okay.- Okay.- Okay.- Okay. I love it.- I need to strap.- That's not it, so.- Oh, that's not just it.- Oh, wait.- Okay.- The bag keeps on giving.- Go like that because you got like, it's on your head.- Wait for it.- Wait for it.- Oh. Okay.- I'll tell you the truth.- We're gonna, if people listen to this with headphones, I know that's so sorry.- I'll do it on your sounds.- That's that thing we talked about the one time where you make weird sounds and people listen to it. ASMR?- ASMR.- Oh, yeah.- It stands for something.- We totally didn't go back to that. Didn't we say we needed to do that for a veterinary medicine or something?- Yeah, we were gonna do weird sounds.- We pulled out squeakers. What do they call?- For whatever this is.- Oh, god.- Fun days, you bought air through and they make noise.- No, because the air is just around the corner five days away.- Woo.- Dr. Dacol has a cone on her head and then we've got some stars in the dazzled.- The dazzled.- Yeah, fans.- I'm just broken.- No.- Oh, sorry.- I do have one more thing though.- Oh, okay.- I'm proud of this.- You're proud of it? Okay.- I bet it's.- Oh, don't rail.- Oh.- Oh my.- Oh my.- Oh my.- Ooh, ooh, ooh.- What? You're doing too much.- Ah, look at those. Look at their balls.- It's cool.- All right. What Devon is pulling out of her magic band was contained a magic bar.- It's full.- They're under what could be in it.- And their disco ball, 'cause they're disco ball, come on.- Disco ball, come on.- Disco ball, come on.- You did a big ringy with this, right?- You got it.- You got it.- Why don't you ever one sip it and then guess for the--- Cheers, cheers.- Cheers.- To a new year.- Woo.- Ciao.- I love you, cheers, cheers.- I love you, cheers.- I love you, cheers.- Spin your ball around the ran. Look at that. That's really cool. Okay, here we go.- It's held.- Is this a--- Ooh.- It tastes like cranberry.- Is this a flavored gingerbread?- I have a hint of apple juice.- Oh, it does taste like apple. Wrong. Sparkling grape juice.- That's what it is.- Yes.- Welches, if you're listening.- Yeah.- Oh my gosh.- I love this as a kid under the 21 and you were watching New Year's.- Yes.- But you said, "Oh yeah, you're in your chair."- You're probably not sugar.- Yes.- I have some of my cabinets, it doesn't matter.- It's the white one.- I was gonna say it's not red.- Oh, it's so yummy.- It's delicious.- You could have it.- You could have it.- It's tevin, way to go.- Wow, tevin's best. I love that bag.- It's a good thing to be up.- I love that bag. Keep that bag coming back.- Okay.- The bag can never stop.- I know, right?- It works out well because it's too holidays. So I can have like a best--- Best of things.- Yeah.- Okay, I'm gonna give it a best.- We have a good best.- Expectations.- We need a name for like devins. I guess it's just devins magic bags, isn't it?- Yeah.- Deenies bag.- Oh, that's what it is. She has her bag and she's like,- My Aldi bag.- It's promoting Aldi.- There's another sponsor.- Give me an Ulster bag.- We would love.- Okay, I like that.- That's true.- That's really good. Sparkling juice.- Okay.- All right, hit us with your case.- Yeah.- Oh.- Okay, it's a long one.- All right.- Well, we have drinks.- Let's see.- I have notes.- Oh, this is great.- Yeah.- Yeah.- Okay.- So my case is a 10-year-old.- Oh, this is great.- Yeah.- My case is a 10-year-old husky akita mix. He originally presented elsewhere. It's a new client to us that presented elsewhere for being slow to eat and having a bad odor coming from his mouth. So after exam, they suspected a possible puncture wind or trauma to the tongue. His teeth were fine. So they started a moxasillin and gallopram, which is an antibiotic in pain medication. And then that was on November 20th. And then he came to us on December 4th, so a couple of weeks had passed as a new client. He had been doing a little bit better slightly, but still not doing great. He was still slow to eat and still had the odor. So Dr. Hamm saw him and she found a half inch ulcerated raised area in the middle of his, the top of his tongue. So we added remodil and recommended acidatal, acidatal.- Acidatal.- Acidatal.- Acidatal.- That sounds fun.- I'm not sure if you're calling it that.- Recommended acidated oral exam with potential biopsy. We also performed blood work and it had a slight increase in alchvos, but it was otherwise unremarkable. So that was on December 4th. We started or added the remodil to the concoction who was already on, and then he was comfortable in doing well. So the owner's kept postponing the biopsy in exam until after the holidays. And then we explained we might just be asking the issue. And that we still recommended those. So he came back on December 26th, not doing well, getting worse, not eating and drinking hardly at all. Still has the odor and now has bread and ground drural.- Not a poor guy.- So we did the sedated oral exam and found an acrotic, ulcerated mass under his tongue that was spreading dorsally and then another spot on the top of the tongue. So Dr. Hans, two differentials were melanoma or squamous cell carcinoma. And she said that biopsy would most likely discuss more trauma and not necessarily change the outcome. So now they're just monitoring his quality of life and keeping him comfortable once a quarter of care.- Yeah.- Yeah, Devin showed me a picture before the podcast and he has a spot on the top surface of his tongue. So I wonder if like, it's eroding, you know what I mean?- Oh, the mass is like, yes.- And coming out the top of his tongue.- It looks like it.- Yeah, for the mouth.- Because the majority of the inflammation looks on the, like it's on the underside, yeah. And then you just see the small spot at the top, you know, like our on the top surface of his tongue. So I bet it's like, oh wow, that's a big lesion on the top of the tongue.- And so is he see the bottom?- Yeah.- It looks so painful.- Oh.- I mean, he has to be so uncomfortable.- Yeah.- Because I mean, use your tongue. The movement of your tongue is like so over and over and over again.- When I have one little kink or so I don't want to eat.- Yeah.- Yeah.- I can't imagine that pain, yeah.- Well, that's really unfortunate.- We're pointing to either those are great.- No. I mean, maybe if you had it on the tip of your, like, I mean, but the base of your tongue, I mean, there's no way to, we had a case of a patient that had, it was a retriever, of course, right? A silver, laver door trailer.- Yeah.- And it was like one and a half and she put her tongue in a paper shredder.- Oh.- What?- Yeah, in her tongue.- Why is it?- I don't know how she, why she did it, but she got it stuck in the paper shredder and we had to, basically, she had to have, yeah, cut, like, like, the first third of her tongue had to be amputated and so she looked like, with a shortened tongue.- Shredded?- And so, well, you just had to, I didn't do the surgery. It was at, it was like an emergency.- Oh, okay.- It came into us on recovery.- Yeah.- And she ended up then every time she came in, I mean, she basically carried around town'cause she just drooled and drooled and drooled.- Could she drink water normally?- She could still drink and do everything, but, yeah.- Wow.- That had to hurt.- 'Cause I think the max you can take is a little,- Oh, that means, maybe I'll be in the tongue or something, I can't remember.- That means I'm a vomit.- Is that crazy?- Yeah, so--- I wonder if it was like, I don't know how a shredder actually works, but if it was like lines of the tongue, I was shredded to the teeth.- I don't know.- Shredded paper.- It comes back together.- I think you just got chewed up'cause she probably just freaked out.- Yeah, probably.- She just looked manable.- And then so it was just all mangled up.- It wasn't like, perfectly extracted.- No, I know.(laughs)- One word that she's okay now.- Dogs are so smart.- Well, she's been Ethanized since then. Not for that problem.- Wow.- But tongue, it's hard. You don't have very many options.- Honestly, moral.- Anything old.- Max is in stuff like that.- When you see dogs, part of their man, they move.- That's really hard.- So.- Good case though, Devon.- Yeah, thanks.- What's going on?- All right, should we go around on a circle again?- Sure, let's do it.- Okay.- We're doing our listener question. So, we're gonna break it. Hello, I have listened to the Veterinary Roundtable podcast a lot in the last few weeks and really feel more excited about my future. I have nothing but great things to say about the podcast and really love the content that you all put out. My name is Savannah and I have a few questions that I was wondering if Dr. King or Dr. Duckwell or Dr. Duckwell could help answer for me. I have recently been accepted into a DVM program at LSU and will be starting fall of 2024.- Woo-hoo!- Okay, sir.- That's a big deal.- That's a big deal.- Yeah, that's a big deal.- One, how did you handle a financial aspect of school? Are there ways that you can set yourself up better for it? I have tried looking for scholarships and it seems a majority of them are for second or third year students. I'm really trying to not be in debt my whole life and also cannot seem to find clear salary information for veterinarians. Also, veterinarians that I have shadowed have not been willing to speak openly about it.- Two, I am currently aiming to be a mixed practice veterinarian where I can use my undergraduate of biology, masters of public health, and eventually my veterinary license in this career. I realize you have, I realize you have this small animal clinic but can you talk a little bit about the work-like balance? I will be almost 31 I graduate and will once start to plan for a family eventually so I am wondering how it is. Number three, I received a degree in biology where at the time I was focused on human medicine. After graduating in the peak of the pandemic, I worked in the medical field and quickly realized I would want to work in the animal medicine. Since I took this path, I feel like I may start out a little bit behind since missing some elective animal courses. Do you have any suggestions on ways that I could set myself up for the start of vet school? Thank you in advance for answering any questions and really appreciate the podcast and the guidance that y'all continue to give. Thank you, Savannah Kendall. Great question. Thank you, Savannah for listening and for your question. Yeah, start number one. Start at number one. And only the financial aspect of school. Yeah, let's stretch out. You look so cute and cone. Okay, well, first of all, I would say, first of all, I would say that she said down here that she is going to be a mixed animal veterinarian where she can use her undergraduate of biology and her master's of public health. So if you're going to do mixed practice, there's a lot of, and I shouldn't say a lot, there are several probably programs that the government offers for people that are willing to go work in more rural areas. Yes. But I don't know the name of them. Yes, forgive me for that. Thank you. That's a better way to think of them. I don't know the logistics. I just know some friends and some people in my class who went in that path and they worked for Bella for example, a board of animal health. Yeah, whatever the state government, whatever. And then they're after so many years, I just don't remember the details. Yeah, I don't remember the details. Right. So that is one avenue. Avenue. I'll be honest, I am not aware of scholarships that are like, I don't know, substantial. Exactly. I mean, because depending on, if you're an out-of-state student, I mean, at LSU, I don't know, they're all running public areas similar. You know, so say you're going to have student debt of $120,000, $160,000. There's no scholarship that's going to give you. I think that's the point here is that, yes, get whatever scholarships you can. Any help is great. But unfortunately, you will be taking on a huge financial debt or investment to get this career. Now, as far as actor, when you get out of school and stuff, of course, there's ways to budget yourself. And I know multiple individuals who have paid off within five years of coming out of that school. So it's kind of dependent on where that priority stands in your life, especially with whatever life things are happening. It can be done and you can do it. I think five years is relatively quick after coming out. I think that's pretty, yeah. That's a pretty huge goal to be able to achieve. And I know multiple people who have done that. But that's how they budget it, and that's how they focus. So I think that my husband always likes to say that, there's good debt and there's bad debt, right? So there's going to be debt you're going to go into as investments. So your home or your car or your career or something like that. And, yeah, obviously no one loves having that hanging over your shoulders or hanging over your head and whatnot. But just remember that it's for benefit of your life. It's not something, I don't know, that's kind of how I look at it too. No, I do too. But I think that you quickly hate your job if you can't pay your bills. So like, I mean, like, say like you go into debt and it's $120,000. But yet you're going to get out and you're making $40,000 because you're working as a epidemiologist, ground level, in the, I don't know. I mean, like, that's a hard hill to climb and to be happy about doing it. Yeah. So I think if you pick a end goal, like, you know, and she has multiple degrees. So there's going to be something that she can leverage those degrees in veterinary medicine. Not maybe it's not, you know, all small animal or all large animal or, you know, yeah. I don't know. I mean, there are so many things that you can do in veterinary medicine with your degree. But if you want to do animals, then you need to find, I think you either need to find an area of the country that can support the ROI, you know, of the investment. So your salary then can support, you know, your debt so that your investment. And maybe look at the programs, like we were talking about the loan forgiveness programs. I mean, if you want to, you could also do consulting on the side and still do, like, practice, normal general practice or whatever, too. So there's like, like, to your point, there's so many things you can do in the industry too. And I think it capital in many ways. And the loan forgiveness stuff, I think, is generated for large animal out of the need for people in large animal because unfortunately, large animal doesn't pay. Right. So you've seen a trition out of large animal because some of the people that own large animal livestock can do a lot of the work themselves. So then now you have veterinarians that are no longer as needed. And so then, or they can't pay to have the services, you know, completed by a veterinarian. So then you have a trition of veterinarian. So now they have laps. They don't have any veterinarians in some of these areas. And I think that's why then they're like, you know what, how do we get veterinarians back into these areas? Oh, you know what? Let's forgive their student. Yeah. That'll do it. You know, that'll motivate you not. It may not be in the area of the country you want to live in for the first five years. But again, it's that whole like to your point that give and take back and forth. Yeah. So you just have to figure out, I mean, you might change your mind as you go through school. You may not want to do it. I don't know. But you'll find definitely learning the material. You'll find what you're interested in too. Absolutely. And I think because, you know, you're being mindful of the money, you know, I would pay attention to the money from the standpoint of if you can go to veterinary school cheaper, then go to the school that is the cheapest because they're pretty much very similar across the board. Yeah. I mean, I don't know anything about the very, very new institutions, but these like LSU, pretty Ohio State. I mean, like all these institutions that have been around forever, I mean, the program is going to be very similar in terms of your education. So find the cheapest one that you can get into and go the cheapest route. Yeah. Because a lot of it comes after the fact when your hands on your experience. So yeah. Yep. For sure, for sure. Okay. Let's see. Oh, you know what though? The other thing is, I'm not happy that these veterinarians that she's shouted with have not been willing to speak openly about their salaries. Yeah. But the same thing. I think people are very uncomfortable talking about money. Yeah. I mean, that's just a thing. Well, I mean, it's not. Are we going to know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And some of it is very now. I think that the ABA may have some good information like every other year or it's so many years, they'll put out compensation, you know, of different types of veterinarian. So like, yeah, mix animal practice, small animal exclusively, large animal exclusively horses. Kind of like whatever they're working on, they collect data and then they'll put that out there. So she should, she should look at that. Yes. That would help maybe get some salary. And your school should educate you on it, especially as you get, continue through the course. Yes. But I get you want to know ahead of time. Right. But it's going to also change due to wherever you live in a country. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it really does matter where you live in a country. Yeah. Especially for livestock type things like. Now, if you want to do poultry, you could make a good living doing poultry. Who wants to work on chickens every day? Not me. No. I lose it. Yeah. So I think, you know, and there's all different ways that veterinarians are paid. So veterinarians are paid salary, they're paid pro-sale, which is a base plus then compensation of what they generate for a practice that they work for, or all just process, all just production. Production. Yeah. Production. So, you know, and you definitely want to work for some place that you can have production pay, some form of production pay because then no matter how, you know, like as hard as you work, you can get, so if you want to work for three years, seven days a week, you are getting paid for that, you know? Yeah. And so that's really then encouraging, like, because then you can maybe potentially, you pay it off as fast as possible. I'll be honest. I have absolutely no idea what the average seller looked like for a mixed animal. I really just don't know about mixed animal. I have no idea. Yeah. What would you say it is for small animal nationally? Um, nationally. So I guess when I graduated in 19, which was what four and a half years ago, I can speak to that, but they were saying the average veterinarian was like 95. Yeah, that's what I would say. It probably still is close to that. Right. Although with the shortage in people wanting veterinarians, maybe it's gone up slightly. Because I think they're trying to get more people, especially in those ER facilities and stuff, but the gigantic signing bonus, which is insane, like, which beware of. Yeah, beware of because you have to be, uh, read the fine print, read the fine print because sometimes it's really to pay it back or like it's astronomical signing bonus. Like I'm talking like I had $200,000 to sign on, but then you're, if you don't say the whole time, you have to get pay back and things like that. Like it's insane. It's not good. It sounds pretty on paper, but no bueno. That's interesting. Okay. So, yeah, so you know, yeah, I think you guys did a good job on that. Okay. Okay. Work-life balance. Number two, that's the main question, right? Well, that speaks against wanting to pay off your loan as school, school is the best. Yeah. Yeah. So you may have to sacrifice one for the other. I think it's possible. Yeah. Now you may not have to. Yeah. But you might have to. For a period of time, it's not forever though. Right. So many factors that go into that decision of like preparing, it's more like playing for a family. I mean, it's just there's so many factors that can go into that. I think that it's smart to think about it now. I was in that same boat, a similar boat when I was in vet school. I hasn't been, I got married right before vet school. And so we realistically were trying to figure out where does our timeline look. And I'll be honest. It moved back a year every year because there's just so much newness. You're going to be experiencing so much time, polls and pushes and just, yeah, I mean, there's just life. And then you're going to get out of school and you're going to want to use that. And now don't get me wrong. I had some classmates that had chose to have, if you're talking about family as in children, they had children in vet school. Now, if you're talking about not children, then again, it kind of just depends on where you're at and your financial comfort or where you're at with, is it to own a house? Is it? I mean, it's so hard to say, but you do have to be open. I think I would say that you have to be open to the fact that it may not happen a time right now. You want because you just going to go according to plan. No, it's just so different. You just have no idea what it's like once you finally, you get your degree. You're excited. You want to use that degree then. And then, yeah, the financial. So it kind of can be hard. Yeah, exactly. Finding somewhere we actually enjoy working. Yeah. But it can be done. It can be done. And you can have work life balance, I think, especially in today's world. I mean, I think that's very, that's in the forefront of everyone's minds as far as employers. It's really not an issue anymore. I don't think. I don't, sort of working in an ER, but even then, they're working like, you know, four days off, four days, working for it. You know what I mean? They've done a really good job, in my opinion, of helping people, you know, go away from what we had when I was first out of school to now. Yeah. So I don't, I mean, I really don't see that there's an issue with work life balance. No, I think you just want to say on it, right? Just stay it, keep it as a priority because it definitely will, it'll go by the wayside if you let it. Yeah. So let's sneak up on you. Okay. Let's see here. Oh, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, um, let's just do you have any suggestions? Oh, for animal courses, like ways that she could set herself up for a bad school. Well, I went to vet school, not even knowing what a roommate was, which I've told that story before. And so I don't know, I mean, whatever. You don't know. Yes, but you're there to learn who cares. I'm fine. You got to know. Don't worry about it. That's what I'm saying. Look at you now. Look at me now. I know what a roommate it is. Yeah. Look who cares. Hold on. Yeah. So I wouldn't stress, especially you got in the program. Yeah. Don't worry about it. If you're in, don't do anything like you're fine. You're going to learn. You're going to learn. Yeah. You're going to learn it all while you're there. Don't you guys think? Maybe volunteering at a practice. If you haven't worked in a small animal practice or a mixed practice, maybe like writing along or doing something like that. I was finding the area of the country that you need to set your eyes on. Like, yeah, in the summers of that school, I still worked at a clinic so you can still get better hands on tools and stuff. Yeah, I would say once you're in school and you're going to school, then seeing it action the work, like seeing people do the work that you learned about is probably very helpful. Oh, yeah. I only went to tech school, but what we learned is nothing like the real world. I mean, you have to learn tech, book stuff, like working here was actually helpful because I worked here and then I went to school. Yeah. So that was, and like, I went to school with girls who had never even worked with animals ever in their life and they were a little bit more confused. So I think it's very helpful being able to like see a clinic setting and then going to school, you're like, oh, that, yeah, yeah. And you're in school and working. And it probably is. I was working here before I started school. Yeah. And it set me up tremendously. Yeah. And it's so much easier to learn because I can just come here and do what I learned, you know, and ask that's the question. Yeah, that is. What you shouldn't do is watch Dr. Poll. Yeah. And also enjoy some time off in your summers. You're going to have the rest of your life to work, like, yeah, you'll figure it out. Trust me. Yeah. You'll get some time for yourself. And the schools really do want everyone to be successful. So they do everything in their power to set you up for success. Yeah. So don't feel like just because you missed out on some am, they would not let you in. They did not think that you could accomplish the tasks that they are going to give you. Yep. So take confidence in the fact that they let you in. You're prepared. If they let you in, they feel like you're prepared with what you have currently on your resume. Yeah. You got yourself before you start school. Yeah. You got this. Yeah. I didn't do. She said small animal or some elective animal courses. I don't do any. There's no course animal course I took in. I never took an animal course either. Yeah. So don't worry about that. We didn't have animal course. We do. My degree in biology. Savannah, we're high five in you because you have degree in biology. There we go. Okay. So yeah, I think. Love it. Do it. Great. Go just go do it. Just get it done. Get it done. Okay. Hopefully that helps, Savannah. Let us know if you have other questions. Yeah. Cheers. That was cool. Okay. 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