The "Financial Gain vs Career Preparation" Vet Student Dilemma

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Intro 00:00
Devyn Doesn't Know Who Mr. Ro gers Is 00:30
The Ladies Have New Podcast Scrubs 03:14
Dr. King And Courtney Have Bingo Night 06:19
Inquiries From Last Episode 08:20
Case Collections 20:38
Listener Question (@brraatt_) 35:02
Outro 43:30

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(upbeat music)- Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of the veterinary round table. The podcast where we answer your veterinary related questions while having some fun along the way. If you enjoyed today's episode, be sure to leave us a review on your podcast provider of choice, and if you have any feedback to offer to improve the veterinary round table, let us know.(bubbles) So reviews, we got, we got, we got, we got, we are in the 50s, and the 50s is rockin' out. - And that's something after a week, it's rockin' out. - Yes, I know.- That was a week.- Yeah, that's pretty exciting.- That's pretty amazing. Continue, keep it up.- Please.- Are we gonna do you wanna read them?- Yeah, we definitely need to read them for sure.- Oh yeah. Okay, go for it. You guys, you all read the second one.- Okay. I am a CVT/prevet student from Colorado, and I love your podcast. My husband also enjoys listening to it, because he likes the medical comments I make while listening. Thanks for educating all and keeping us entertained at Ray Shaw 88. Woo-hoo!- Okay, thank you very much. - Thank you very much. That's awesome.- I also like that your husband supports you.- Yes. - Pretty cool. Anyway, the next one is the best podcast around. Always love the laughs and the teamwork when it comes to the podcast. You all do such a good job and can tell you're really excited to talk about different things you see on a daily basis. You guys are really the best podcast out. Make sure to take a listen at Jacobi 1025. That's my husband. Are you kidding? No wonder you wanted to read that one.(laughs) Thanks, Jacob.- Oh, yeah. - Thanks, Jacob.- That's hilarious. - 'Cause he went on the actual Apple podcast, and then he was like, Harrison needs to change your name, first of all, in the description. And then he was like, how do I leave a review? I was like, I don't know how to work it, and then I guess he figured out.- Oh my gosh.- And I followed on the script yesterday, and I was like, there's no,'cause those are lucky numbers. I don't know another Jacob that goes to Jacobi, but it's Jacob! He's our biggest fan.- Oh my gosh. - This is Jacobi.- Jacobi, people call him Jacobi, my knackles him that.- That's too bad.- I love it. I'm a Jacob fan, so I like that he is a fan.(laughs)- He gets real excited to watch you talk about that.- That's so funny, Harrison, that you pulled that review. What are the odds of that? So,- The hubs.(laughs)- Nice to have you.- Look at that. Okay, let's just take, let's just look at the pattern here. We have two reviews in the men of the women in veterinary medicine are out there just supporting their women.- We love supportive husbands.- Way to go, men.- Love it.- Way to go. Okay, let's see here.- Should we say who we are?- Yes, I'm Dr. King.- I'm Courtney Allen.- I'm Devon Fortune.- And this is the veterinary round.- And this is the veterinary round.- That was good. That was good.- That's great.- Devon, you wanna update everybody on the changes that they're seeing.- Yes, we went over them last time, but just to refresh, we are going to weekly episodes, so instead of biweekly, we are now weekly, so you get to see lots more of us. And then guest episodes once a month. So that'll be very exciting.- Now, somebody, we asked a question last podcast about what was different.- Yes, if you watch the podcast.- If you physically watch the podcast.- Yes.- Right, if you physically watch the podcast. All right, who was it that pointed out?- Shout out.- Let's shout out to them.- Virtual high five to cadence, more set, 54.50, came to watch from Apple Podcast because I had to see what was new.- Love the scrubs.- Hi.- Hi.- Hi.- All right, ready to go. Okay, because we were feeling like we were looking a little bit like either catch up, red peppers.- Oh yeah.- Who is the person who really likes the red?- As if we all were talking about it.- As if we all were talking about it.- So I originally voted for black because everybody looks good in black, but then when I put these on, I actually do enjoy the red.- Okay, that's really good.- I feel very straight.- But it's like what's a bit color I think,'cause she was really good.- It's different.- Especially when you're used to wearing green for scrubs for how long?- Yeah, especially wearable.- They're very, are as a worker of the bear, I mean, they're not dull, but they're dull compared to the dress.- They're muted, yeah.- Yeah.- Yeah.- I'm still getting used to them.- Yeah, I don't know. Do you think red looks good with the tan? I mean, you're tan. So red looks good with the tan.- I haven't been to spring break yet. Wait till next week.- Oh, Shushu, you were to like last month.- You're always tan. You never pale, 'cause you're always somewhere. Okay?- And I don't tan.- I'm doing like we should do a fashion walk.- I'm the, we can't do a red carpet though,'cause that's too much.- Is that, is that how you do red carpet walk?- I have some, some critiques.- Okay, yeah, I'm not that good.- We'll work on that later.- Stay tuned.- Yes, I love them.- All right, well that's good. I'm glad you guys.- And they just feel conferred than our other scrubs.- Yeah.- Even though they're the same as their brand.- They're new.- They're brand spanked out.- They do feel really new.- The knees are intact still.- Yes.- Okay, so what else? Oh, Harrison has added an inquiry from the last episode.- Inquiry. I knew that was coming.- Did you really ever got about that that we went through this last time? Inquiry from at FreddyStory.Vet. Hi, I'm a vet tech here in Texas. I was listening to y'all talk about the struggle of getting the cats to vomit. One thing I've seen working is pushing Cephasalon to induce them to vomit. We'd love to hear your thoughts on the next podcast. Just some food for thought. Love listening to the pod.- Side note, I love when people call us the pod. I think it's so cute.- Pod.- We were a pod. We're a little pod.- I love it too.- We're a pod.- That's awesome. Okay, what do you guys think? I, I, I, I've, I've, I've, I've known this is my first time hearing of it.- Me too.- Agreed. I've, yeah, I've never heard of it.- I've never heard of it.- I've never heard of it.- So.- The only thing I could think of is, do you think he's thinking about dex tomatine like giving something like maybe just, we don't know that.- I'm thinking,'cause isn't Cephasaline an antibiotic?- Is it Cephasalon or Cephasolone?- I was gonna say Cephasolone is a little,- Cephasolone is fiery.- I don't know, now I can say the word.- I say Cephasolone, but isn't it an antibiotic?- Yes, it's an antibiotic.- I was thinking, I don't know, antibiotics can cause GI upset. I don't know like if they keep the cat on the empty stomach, give it that, try to irritate the stomach to get it to throw up, but.- I tried to see if I could find anything on it on our information network on Vinn.- Yeah.- I couldn't find anything.- I've never heard of it before.- So there might be, you know, I need to know more about this, Freddie.- Yeah.- Can you let us know more if you've used it?- What?- How you give it, what you said, IV, and how long does it take before it works?- Do you still have to spin them in a chair?(laughing)- No, it's very nice.- Yes.- Yeah, it's very interesting.- Yeah, so I don't know anything about it. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist or people don't do it. I just, cause we use a lot of drugs off label. I've just never had any experience with it.- If you had more information, would you be open to trying it?- Oh yeah, because it works.- It works, yeah.- I mean, we use it for surgical, it's an antibiotic that we use during surgery. So we use it all the time anyway.- Safe.- For different procedures. Procedures that are longer than two hours.- Yeah.- So, side note related to vomiting. We had a dog come in today who potentially had a cat toy, so we induced vomiting.- Tell me, because I had to leave before the--- It didn't eat the toy. But I don't know what it is about the apple morphine recently. I don't know if we got a new bottle or something, but it is intense. Like dogs don't stop.- What?- You usually know how it's like three or four times that they're done.- Yeah, they just keep going. So we give her any issues.- Yeah, she's good.- We took an X-ray.- She's not a cat toy.- No cat toy. But anyway, we had a client apparently, one of the texts was talking about it, who was giving a hydram peroxide at home to induce vomiting because they couldn't afford to bring the dog in.- Yes.- And the hydram peroxide was not working, so we told them to drive around, around about.- Oh my goodness.- What did the dog get in the car?- I don't think so. I know, I was like, did you simultaneously vomit with your dog? Because I would.- Did it work on the dog, though?- I don't know.- I don't think that would work only if they were emotions.- Yeah, I don't. I don't know. But that was something.- Errorson's dog ate, he found rabbits in the yard, baby rabbits with no fur on them, moose did the docks and ate, and whole, didn't even chew it up.- I know, yeah, my god.- And then I told him to give him hydram peroxide because it was on Sunday, and he did give it and then moose, did he vomit?- He did vomit. And then he vomited at some other point, which they didn't know because on Tuesday, in his crate, they pulled out his crate on Tuesday, I hear some finds a dry chunk of vomit with, or the rub.- That's disgusting.- And he was like, did this just, I was like, that probably happened on Sunday, when you gave him hydram peroxide.- Yeah.- You just didn't know the vomit in the back.- Yeah, that's right.- Hydram peroxide is a beautiful thing when it works.- You just can't overuse it because it can cause problems.- I've done it just a few times, but now we can't do it anymore because Miles knows the second we try to back him into a corner, he loses it so he gets apple.- Yep, yep, yep, yep.- I don't need to worry about mitzij.(laughing)- mitzij just exists, okay.- Okay, what is the funniest thing you've seen an animal do at the clinic at K_Blue2?- Probably one of my favorite things is that when a patient has been sedated and is waking up from sedation or anesthesia.- I'm saying.- You don't know where I'm going, yeah, that's funny. But when we put them in a run if they're a bigger dog and their lip gets stuck on the lip,- Oh my god, I love that.- I love that.- It really makes me laugh.- And dog scooting really gets me to be totally funny.- I'm reading so funny.- I don't think it's hilarious.- Good and it's too, I don't think it's funny.- I'm just gonna say the thing about the glass runs too where they shove their noses into the nervous one.- It's a good one.- Holding themselves up by their nose and their lip.- So many pictures of different dogs doing it, even miles.- Yeah, it is kind of funny.- I was gonna say the waking up like those.- Or they like write themselves real fast.- Yeah, anything sedation or anesthesia related.- Or see what are some other funny things.- Pugs during nail trim.(laughs)- What did you say?- Pugs during nail trims. They're screened, the pugs scream is the best.- Yeah.- That was the only thing when a dog, there are some dogs that smile at you, they're not mad.- That's really cute.- Yeah, this is my favorite.- My parents dog has that.- And breach you out at first.- So you know they do it.- So you know they do it.- That smile.- Yes, so cute. I think Millie.- Athena and Millie.- Mm-hmm.- It's so cute.'Cause they just get so excited.- I know.- I know.- There's tons of things.- Dogs are, they sit with their legs like this.- And they're like, "That's cool."- They're just like, "I had a dog loaf once."- Yeah.- You know what, loofing is, right?- No.- Like when a cat loafs, they tuck their legs.- Oh, and they get on her legs.- Oh, they do.(laughs)- Glow fangs,- I had a bun fax.- And the room once is pretty cute.- Oh, and all those are just amazing.- They're great.- You don't know what loofing is?- No.- Also, a shadow, I got my slippers.- Oh, I forgot to mention that.- They're cat paws.- I think those are adorable.- Thanks.- Very cute, very cute, very warm.- Okay, onto the next one.- What are you going?- Yeah, huh? I'm a veterinary assistant and want to go to school to be a vet tech. What's a good school?- Well, where are you based?- At RooL.- Oh, sorry, my bad, at RooLd by Jupiter. At RooLd_by_Jupiter.- Okay.- Yes, I'm wondering where he or she is based. Like where do they live? You know, 'cause that matters.- Why don't you tell them what you're doing?- Well, I am a veterinarian assistant and I am in school to be a vet tech and I got a pen foster. I don't go. It's an online school. I had a lot of options when I started school. And there are a few schools around that in our area that I almost went to, but I was already working at AllStar and it was a perfect opportunity, so I'm doing online. And it's, yes, it's called pen foster. It's like a, it's at your own pace. It's between like three to six years estimated completion time, but there are also a few schools in the area that are like 18 month accelerated programs. But I'm doing online and you can work in do school at the same time. It's a lot of it.- It's a lot of it.- It's a lot of it for me.- And so there's international business college, which I went to.- Then there are universities that have veterinary technology programs.- I know Purdue also has an online.- Yeah.- Purdue is online.- Yeah.- But I thoroughly enjoyed the,'cause I did the 18 month accelerated program. I liked it and the reason being I liked it is because, like Purdue is a great school 'cause I looked into it. But I liked IBC for the fact of the classes are smaller than Purdue. So your professor or your teacher knows you, like personally, which I thought was really cool. And you get really, really close to your classmates. Not saying you can't do that at Purdue, but like you know everybody. And it's, I mean, it's very hard and there's a big difference between Purdue and IBC'cause IBC, the way I learned how to do nail terms is like a singular cat nail. And like Purdue, I mean, you get to practice a lot more. They actually have an animal hospital. We had animals in school too, but it's just faster. It's harder. You don't really get breaks. Like my summer break was like a week if that.- Right.- But I liked it. I enjoyed it a lot. And I could just commute. I didn't have to pay room and board.- Yeah.- And I still got to work. So I almost went there. It was good. - It was cool. Like I said, I already worked at AllStar and I didn't wanna. No, no, just worked out better for me. I haven't heard many bad things about any vet tech programs.- Right. I think that, yeah. I mean,- Kind of just depends what you want.- Right.- What experience you want. Like if you want the full on,- The college experience go to Purdue or a veterinary school.- Yeah.- Yeah.- And there's, but there's not. Like I think Michigan State has one, Purdue has one. I don't know the ones in the south. Do you guys know the off the top of your head? Which schools have them? But you can easily look that up and find out or online or local business college. So.- Okay, cool.- Kukukuk.- If a listener, do you wanna tell them that part?- Sure.- If a listener wants us to answer one of their icebreaker questions, DM the all-star veterinary, clinic, social media accounts or email Harrison@kingmediamarketing.com.- We look to answer your icebreakers.- Yes.- That'd be fun.- Yeah, those are fun.- Shoot 'em all away.- Yes, please.- Okay, so how's your guys week going so far? It's a Thursday.- It's actually pretty good.- Yeah. I start pesteting them all.- Three cats.- Same.- Not three cats, but a cat.- Yeah.- That means I just have to go before work.- No, that's what I was gonna say.- Do you guys like pet sitting?- Yeah. I don't stay in other's homes though. I just prefer cats.- Pop in and pop out.- Yeah.- I do both. I like pet sitting. Yeah, it's nice.- It's really, the one thing I really, really like is when I, it's like my patient, like at work and it's like a dog or something, it's cool to see them in their own environment. That's one of my favorite things. It's like seeing like their actual personality rather than being scared of me.- Yeah, I think clients really like it. Because when they know that it's somebody from the clinic doing their sitting, you know, the pet sitting. I think they really dig it.- Yeah.- I agree.- So that's really cool you guys do that.- Yeah, I enjoy it. I mean, it's pretty easy. It's extra cash. And you get to love on other dogs.- Yeah.- Yeah.- And cats.- Yeah.- Good, good. So you guys are busy pet sitting. Work has been not too bad.- It's just been another week, really.- It's another week.- It really hasn't been that bad, actually, no.- The weather's warming up.- It is pretty hot today.- Warm weather to stay, not too hot, but I don't like hot. I like this. What is this today?- I like, I think it's too cold.- I think 75 is like my perfect.- Yeah, me too.- This is a little chilly.- This is my perfect. Like I was, I wanna build a layout side of my one.- I want to store in shorts. So like I'd be cold right now, if I lay it outside. Unless I want the bleeds to be cold. I want it to be hot.- Yeah.- Let's see here, what else?- Yeah, how's your week been?- A week's been good. You know, we just started at homeschooling Calvin.- Really?- Just a go at the end of the quarter.- Fun.- Yeah, so.- That's not going.- It's going well.- Good.- It's a lot of work, but we've done it with the other boys and he was just struggling in keeping up and trying to like perform like up to par. And so we were like, you know what, this is stupid. Let's just pull them and he's a sixth grader.- Yeah, that's awesome.- That's like so.- I think you guys are both enjoying it.- Yeah, I love it. I teach math.- Wow. I hate math.- Yeah, she tried to quiz me on math the other day and I was like, I don't have the energy film. It was a very easy question, but like, I literally had a nail stuck in my eye from doing an insurance.- Yeah, it was like a joke, right?- So I had just like gone through that. I literally had pull, stained my eye to make sure there was an escrat. It was painful. And then she tried to ask me this math question, like, please just give me the answer. You know, it was, my eye is dropping. I can't pay straight. It was bad.- That sounds painful.- She was like, I have a 93 pound dog. It needs to add a Quinn. What is the dose? I was like, it's 50. It's one mil per 50 pounds. It's she was like, I literally, and I was like, well, if it was a hundred pounds, how much would you?- I, my, my, I, I don't know. And I was like, okay, take 93 and divide it by 50.- And I was like, I'll figure it out and I looked away.(laughs)- That's awesome.- Yeah.- That's hilarious.- Yeah, that's the worst.- And then I wrote down the dose and my notebook after that.- Oh gosh, that's fun.- Yeah, I love doing math. So math is what I was like.- Math is my job.- How, like, how much I'm schooling? Would you say you do a week?- It's about four hours a day.- Five.- So, too bad. I mean, it's really nice because then he has more free time and can do, you know, he's not stressed. We, the school that we lived, or sent him to, we lived further away from it. So he wouldn't get home until four. And then if he had an activity to go back to, he had to hurry and get his work done, like in an hour and a half. And he wants to do that after being sitting in a classroom for eight hours.- Yeah.- And so, yeah.- Awesome.- So it's going great.- Good, awesome.- I asked him the other day, I was like, how much better do you feel about math? Because I'm teaching it. No, I mean, that wasn't that bad.- You're great teacher.- I was like, how much better do you feel about math doing math this way? Because he's not a problem child. So he just sits in class and nobody knows he's not listening. And so then he doesn't get what they're teaching.- Right.- And then comes home and Richie's like, why don't you know how to do this? And so it's because he's not really listening, he's staring at you, but he's not listening.- Yeah, yeah.- And he's like, oh my gosh, I feel like I know so much already. And it's only been two weeks.- That's all, that's very worried.- So yeah, I was like, okay, you're 16.- Yeah, but this definitely is the right thing.- That's awesome.- Way to go.- Oh, thanks.- Good job, mom.- Okay, so that is my week for the past two weeks.- We also have, we have a new little segment here on the pod.- Yeah, that was your idea.- We're going to talk about our pits and our peaks of the week.- Yeah.- I'll go first.- Okay.- That sounds great. Oh dang it, I had it.- Oh, my pit was, I actually have, so I have a pet sitting client and they're very, very long-term clients of mine.- Yes.- And he texted me on Tuesday morning and let me know that one of his kiddos passed. He was a white boxer named Sarge. And he was, I mean, he was interesting. He had the oddest personality I've ever seen on a dog. He was just like a sweetheart. He just like stood and just took everything in.- Oh.- So that was kind of sad. That wasn't the best thing to wake up to. But my peak was that I worked out three times this week.- Okay.- And I call that an accomplishment.- Yeah.- Nice job.- Way to go.- That's hard to have to do that with our lifestyle.- Yeah, 'cause that's what I'm like, I can go in the mornings at like 4.30 a.m. but I feel like I just can't, like I tried that and it didn't work. But then I get home at 6.30 or 7.00 and then I take care of my dog. I have to cook dinner.- Then you try to cook at 5.00 the next morning.- I can wind down my set like, yeah. But it's been good. Good for you.- I did it.- Yeah.- Good.- That's awesome. What about you?- Um, why don't you go?- You're trying to process. - Yeah. Okay, so my peak, my pit.- Your pit is the bad part.- Yeah.- Pit. I don't know if I really have any pit.- Oh, sweet.- Just something that was like me.- Mm.- Couldn't have been better.- It doesn't have to be like sad.- The weather.- Okay, it's the weather this week.- That's okay. That can be a pit.- Okay. My peak was seeing two of my associate veterinarians stretched, but not stretched so far out of their gift zone. So they were stretched, but still stretched within their gift zone, not into the harmful zone. So they were, and this was gonna be the case I was gonna talk about, but they were, they were responsible for doing, there were some of the more younger veterinarians that are at the clinic, and they had a surgical case that they had to take care of. And it was just the two of them, and they did a great job.- Mm.- And so it was like, oh, right. Way to go, guys.- Too a moment. I guess it was smoky in him.- The surgery.- Yep.- I'm so into your animal.- Like stretched just enough. Like they're a little bit better at their job now, but yeah.- Exactly.- Nice.- So it was a little failure.- Yeah, exactly.- Yeah. Okay, my pit, I guess, I went to PetSmart today, and I always do this to myself. I wanted to get cat food, and then I look at all those cat cats, and it's just, (laughs) like they all went homes, and I was looking at this one, and I'm gonna go off on a little tangent, but it's this five-year-old, Persian domestic short hair mix, orange and female, and it was just really interesting.- That's a weird combination.- That's very weird.- A very orange female.- A very orange female. And an orange Persian. It was, I guess she was so sweet. I took a picture.- Oh, let me see. She's going to have them healthy, is she? And it looks like she just passed, but she's cute. She looks like Garfield and the McGrinch. Doesn't she? Can you zoom in?- Oh my gosh.- Oh my gosh.- You gotta find a look at this.- This is so cute.- What's her story? I mean, there isn't much of a story behind her. There's just like,- She was a stranger.- She just needs a home.- It didn't say, yeah. But, I like, she was sleeping and I really wanted to just see her face. So of course I woke up.- Wake!(laughs)- I was like, I just tickled her tail and then she rolled over on her back and like, what like this? And showed me her belly and I gave her belly rubs. And then she went back to bed. So I didn't disturb her terribly, but she was really cute.- So was that a pit or a peak?- Probably a pit, because then she couldn't take her home.- Came up and asked if I was interested in the doping and I'm like, yes, but I can't. And I just always wanna take all those kittens, new cats. And then there was a little gray kitten that was screaming at me and like reaching through the cage and they're so needy, isn't it?- No.- It's just like all they want is food.- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.- And there's a sign that says like, keep dogs away from cages and this person is bringing their giant German shepherd by and it's barking and I'm like, please exit.- This is a very good one.- Yeah, I'll literally sign. And my peak, I would say, well, the weather today, I love.- And you didn't have a scratch on your cornea.- That's fair. That's a good peak.- The weather is your pit, it's my peak. And then I had a beautiful blood draw on a cat on like earlier this week. It was a clean stick and I'm just still boasting about it as you can tell.- Those are hard.- Yeah.- It's always sad.- Blood draws on cats in general are not easy.- The way some of the text got good at it when the clinic was just starting is we worked with the rescue, heart for love of her eye camera, the name of it and it was all cats. We had to draw a feline leukemia test on all these kittens and all these cats over and over, like not the same cats, but like, you know, as they're going through the system. And they got so good at drawing blood on cats'cause you just did, you know, 25 a week. You know, kind of a thing.- But it is, it's just all about practice. So good job.- Yeah, thanks.- Good job, good job.- I, going off of that, would love to invent a test for FIVF-ELV that did not require blood.- Amen.- That would be so amazing. Especially on the like little baby kittens that come in that you know, it's just, it sounds like you're livin' in a little like a baby.- It sounds like you're, like, holding up their day, spit on you.- Right, I've always said that. I was like, why can't it be saliva?- Yeah.- 'Cause it sounds like you're murdering them when you try to go blood on a little one-pound beginning.- It's so high-pitched.- It's not easy.- And they're like, oh, I wonder where they hit us.- I would say though, the blood draw on cats has gotten way better since you guys have done, since you've been willing to shave, if necessary, use light-acane cream.- Light-acane cream is a game-chaine.- Lighting, lighting, having the proper lighting.- Yes.- All those things have really made a huge difference.- Oh, I agree for sure. If you don't have light-acane cream in your vet clinic, get some.- Because it truly is, like, it makes the biggest difference in some patients. Some animals don't care about it, but it is phenomenal.- Yeah.- So, you're free.- Okay, cuckoo. Cases, what do you guys got this week for cases?- You go first?- Yeah, mine's quick.- It's actually just an update about Jeter who is the golden, I talked about, I think, did I do that last week?- I don't know. - It was a week before.- I don't know. Anyway, it was recent. He was the golden that I accidentally found, that lung massing or chest mass.- Oh, that's right.- More to go as far as I'm glad.- That was the thing it was.- Yeah.- So, he did have his consultation with the oncologist, and they did further testing, and they most likely suspect that it is a histiocytocylic sarcoma, and it is in his lung, which he had three masses there, one of them was pretty large. It's in his liver, it's in his spleen, and he, it's also in his kidneys.- Do you know?- So, it's pretty advanced, unfortunately. Like we said last podcast, they cannot do surgery, but they are going to start chemo. So, I'm almost positive he has his, he had his first treatment this past Monday, so they're doing docs or rubissin, and then CCNU.- Okay.- And then they started like, pred, metrosurinia, all that kind of stuff, just to help with the symptoms of the chemo.- Right. - That's not make him feel a sick, but they're doing that. So, we'll see how it goes, but that's just, they unfortunately gave him, I think, six months.- Yeah, I was gonna say it's gonna be very,- So the chemo, obviously there's no cure whatsoever for the cancer, but the chemo will help slow it on the progression of the cancer and the spread of it, so hopefully give him the last few good months with his owners, because that's a lot to digest all at once. So, hopefully it'll give him a little bit more time, make him a little more comfy. So, pretty cool.- Yeah. Okay, I can go, mine's a little long, so it's one of my pets. I know I've used a couple of my pets on here, but this is a different amount of animals.- I'm having a lot of time.- I know, I'm like, wow.- I have so many options.- Okay.- But he is a 10 year old orange domestic short hair.- Okay.- And he presented for having a hard time eating and some vomiting. And when he was a kitten, he actually had to have all of his pre-molers and molars removed,'cause he was allergic to his own saliva. I don't know, there's a technical term.- Stomatitis?- The epistomatitis.- I don't know.- Okay.- I was too young to know.- Yes, okay.- So he has gotten by with just his canines and insiders his whole life. But he, for probably like, it was like a day. It went on for a day. He would start to eat his food, so he still has appetite, but then after a few bites would start to pause his mouth and the food would fall out. So me being me, I looked at his mouth and above his upper canines, the gingerva was definitely irritated. And then he did start to vomit a little bit, but it tended to be like before his meal time, like after he had been so hungry for so long, it wasn't like he ate and then threw it up. So I wasn't worried about an obstruction, but it went on for like a day, like I said, and then the next day I went into work, and I get to work before my mom leaves her work, and she texted me and was like,"Sid still in bed, he hasn't even gotten out to eat, which is really unlike him." I mean, he's an orange cat. They're waking us up telling us it's time to be fed. So that was concerning, and I was like, "You know, I bring him in on your way into work, so she dropped him off," and then Dr. Jones evaluated him, and she definitely agreed that his mouth was a little bit irritated, and luckily we had an opening or like room for another surgery that day. He had mild dental disease, like maybe a great one, so it wouldn't hurt him to have a procedure, but it wasn't necessary, but I was like, "Whatever, go ahead, we did full mouth X-rays," and she did notice some resorption of both uppercane lines, one was worse than the other, so one definitely needed removed, and she said the other one would probably need extracted, like within the next year or whatever, so I was like, "Just do both." I mean, he'll still be able to eat, he's gotten by with barely any teeth this far anyway.- Sure. - So, we extracted both, and then on event full recovery, I took him home that night, offered him wet food, which they don't really eat wet food, so he didn't eat it 'cause he was just confused, and then I offered him his kibble, and he ate it right up, like his old normal self, and he's been eating fine since then, no more vomiting. So, yeah, you did. - Yeah, you did.- Now I just have a little bag of his uppercane lines in my room that I can't throw away, but I don't know what to do with it.- Yes, so he was little, he probably had stomatitis listening to what you were talking about, just because they are allergic to the tooth roots, so that or something not they, some cats can be allergic to the tooth roots, and so then they get really severe redening with their gums, and then it can be exacerbated by bacteria, whatever, but unfortunately, the only way to fix it is to extract the tooth because it's the root that they're allergic to. So, you remove them, and then they are significantly more comfortable, and can live, like you're mentioning their whole life without having an issue, so.- So, so. - So, and his bottom canines, almost adapt like no other.- Yeah. - Yeah, it's crazy. Very cool, very cool.- Another cool, Devon Pet case.- We know what's, I have, who should you talk about next week?- I know. - I have a bag.- I'm kidding.- We haven't done the bag in a while also.- We were gonna have to remember the bag.- I thought about that today on the way here. I was like, "Ooh, I think I volunteered, and I never did."- Okay, well, next week, the bag.- Someone. - The bag needs to come out.- Well, surprised duck wall because she isn't here, and she doesn't.- Oh, yeah. - I don't think we ever acknowledge that she's not here.- Oh, yeah. Actually, duck wall is not in the building today.- Yes, she will be back next Thursday. She'll be back. - There's only three of us.- Okay, my case is a nine month old mixed, mixed pity, basically, pity mix.- Yeah.- And so he's nine months old. He came in for, - Sorry.- Yeah, you know, he's in it now.- Nine month old, not eating, not feeling well, regurgitating water was started to feel poorly on Saturday, I believe is the case. Ham saw it, - Tuesday.- Yeah, Tuesday. - Yes, 'cause he was, he came in when I wasn't there.- Yeah, so Tuesday morning, Ham saw it, or afternoon, Ham saw it. And, I mean, just in the exam room, just to give people a little bit of information, whenever you see a dog in an exam room, and they're not comfortable, so like if you see a dog who sits down, gets up, walks it down, gets up, walk, or they do that play bowing when they're stretching, so they are actually stretching their abdomens. And so that's usually an indication that their abdominal cavity is uncomfortable. Doesn't always mean that they have form material, it could mean they have form material, pancreatitis, gastroenteritis, and it can sometimes mimic back pain. So anyway, but they act very strange in the room. This dog also was regurgitating water, so he could not keep anything down, and then was extremely depressed. So, ham after taking the history and doing the physical exam took radiographs on him, and he did have a suspicious foreign body, gas pattern in his GI tract, so he had a lot of dilated ball loops involving the proximal dewaddom, and then he did have a soft tissue opacity involving his pylorus. And he was so miserable this dog was really uncomfortable, such that, and I should also mention, another thing to keep in mind is that pyloric obstructions, the dogs feel like frat. So like if they have an intestinal obstruction, but their pylorus is not obstructed, they a lot of times still act normal. They may not be eating, but they act normal. They don't, you wouldn't physically by looking at them tell that they're sick, but a pyloric obstruction, they feel like frat. Like they don't wanna get up, they don't wanna eat, they just feel really bad. So once we saw the X-ray, then you also have the dog, it's like you have those two pieces of information, it's like all right, the dog needs to go to surgery. And so they took him to surgery that night, and so they stayed after work to do surgery on him, because that was in the best interest of the pet. And he had a gastric foreign body that was made up of cloth or fabric, had a lot of straw debris, and then it was running through the pylorus into the small intestine all the way to the mid-Jajunum, but about right past the duodenum, he had a foreign body that was almost perforated in his intestine.- I saw it, it was literally like you just see intestine, it comes through a little point. It came to a point, almost had perforated through. And we think that was just a stick, actually, that it had just been gotten in the wrong way, basically. And it was pointy and just ended up almost perforating the small intestine. So they ended up doing a gastro-automy, and we always typically will start with a gastro-automy first, because if you have a linear foreign body, you can't pull everything back up through the stomach, because you just bunch everything up on itself, and with small linear foreign bodies, you have a chance of basically eviscerating the small intestine, so you can just slice right through it. So if you had something like dental floss that's really sharp, it's gonna just slice through the tissue as it gets pulled tighter and tighter. So we really don't like to pull them back out, unless you can milk it kind of back out. So we'll go do the gastro-automy first, and then we cut the tension off, remove what's in the stomach, and then it'll all feed back into the small intestine. Then you have to go into the small intestine and remove it from the small intestine as well. This dog, because of the perforation, or the almost perforated wall, and then the necrosis, or the tissue, was turning black around that area, they did it in anastomosis. So they cut the dead tissue out, and then had to hook the two pieces of intestine back together. Then they could not milk the foreign body from, it was still all the way down again, to mid-June, and they couldn't get it from mid-June back up to anastomosis site. And so they had to do an innerotomy, a plain innerotomy site as well, I think two innerotomies sites.- They did two innerotomies.- Yeah, that's intense.- It's a lot.- Yeah, it was a lot.- That was an intense foreign body surgery.- Yeah.- And everything went great. Inurotomies are very straightforward, because you were just making an incision into the intestine, and then sowing it back up. So very straightforward. Anastomosis is you are taking two wins of intestine, and hooking it back together. And clearly the most important thing is it doesn't fall apart or it doesn't leak. So that's always where you're worried.- That's a scary part is that it is.- There's a leak. But there's some really good techniques on how to do it. And they did a great job, and the innerotomies went well, the gastronomy went well. He's doing great. He went home today.- Good, he sure did.- He ate the next day.- Okay.- And he went home today.- He was a little erpy yesterday. He rewashed a few times, which is why we kept him an extra day. But he was happy boy this morning. He ate and he was jumping on all of us.- And one of the questions we always get from owners a lot of times is, like, did they learn their lesson?- Nope. I can attest to that. My dog's never been cut, but he's vomited a lot.- Oh man, it's like no.- And poops out stuff and they don't learn.- And the adhesions, they have so much on his body.- Yeah, you end up with things that, you can't only do this so many times, to a patient's intestinal tract. And so we really do have to be vigilant to make sure he doesn't eat.- We had a cat that--- Oh, the things.- I think he kept eating headphones. He had three form bodies and we told the owner that three strikes he's out. He can't have no one.- Yeah.- Like you said, he just, yeah.- We got a dog that kept eating binkies, I think.- Passifiers, man.- Yep.- Quick PSA in regards to linear form bodies and things like that. Don't give your dog rope toys.- Yeah.- Please, they're very, very bad.- Yeah, they get in distance.- They pull apart.- Yep.- So, heat a rope toy.- Is that what it was?- Yeah. God, dog it.- Yeah.- They're fun toys, but they're danger.- Yeah, especially if you have a dog with a mouth like that that is a bigger, chewer.- Yes.- You know, I mean, they're gonna destroy that.- Oh, it's easy to do that.- Oh yeah, it's so easy.- It's crazy.- It was a rope toy.- No rope toys.- No rope toys.- Bad for the stomach.- All right, great cases. Good job, guys. Okay, listen to our questions. Okay, who wants to read it? I can, I'll do it. Hey, I was wondering if you would be able to help me with a question I had. I am an aspiring vet student, and I was accepted into the University of Illinois for my undergraduate this coming fall. Congratulations.- It's awesome.- I was weighing my options for a summer job and wanted an opinion of someone who may have gone through this already. I am between working at a clinic and working at a restaurant as a server where I could make a lot of money for college. Would it be better to make a financial decision or make a decision that would better my chances of getting into a vest school later on by having hours under my belt? Any advice you can give me will be greatly appreciated. Love the Tix-Hawksy post at AbbeyHurst25.- Great question.- Well, that's exciting. So anyway, I think, so she's working at a clinic and she's working at a restaurant.- She's wanting to know.- She's between the two.- Yes. I think it's always good to have experience, but it depends, are you getting paid at both? Or will you be paid at one or the other?'Cause that's also a big factor.- I think she would be paid at both. I think one, you would be paid a lot more money where I could make a lot of money.- Yeah, like restaurants, you get tips.- That's true. I am, okay, I am between working at a clinic, so I don't know if she is working currently at the clinic or not.- Right. I mean, it's not, I would still say work at the clinic. I know it's not as crucial since she's already secured, like her, she's already been accepted into the university, but I still think, you know, get as much knowledge as you can before.'Cause I did like, J-vert light, and I did an array of science and anatomy classes before starting school, and it has set me up tremendously.- I agree. I worked all-star before I went to college, and it did wonders. I knew a lot going into school, and that was really cool.- So I, because I'm older than you guys.- You have more knowledge.- I know, that's not true. Okay, so it is true. Anytime I was talking to Harrison about this question, and anytime I see somebody ask an or question, so am I, you know, am I better off working at the clinic or working at a restaurant?- Why not both? Bingo, works at restaurant on the weekends or whatever?- Yes.- Part-time for both.- Yes, because any question, any decision like that, there's hardly ever a situation where it has to be an or, this or that. Typically you're gonna be better served if you can figure out an and. So my thought was, can you work at the restaurant when it is the most lucrative? So Fridays and Saturdays, where you can make lots of good tips on Fridays and Saturdays, then you take Sunday off, then Monday, you work at a clinic, you know, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, or whatever, or just Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, or whatever it is, or you could switch it, and you could work where, like, especially if you're looking for, like, to be paid more to work at a clinic, then maybe working at an emergency clinic. You know, so then you might work at an emergency clinic on Friday, Saturday, Sunday, where they have a hard time finding people to work. And so you probably would be paid a higher wage, then do the restaurant on a different day. You know, like maybe you do mornings or you do afternoons or you do evenings or whatever it is. So I think you could actually do both. I definitely think that if you can know information prior to learning information, it'll be much easier to digest the information and to get the intricate parts of the information. So if you're not focused on learning, like I was, what a ruminant is, and you already know what a ruminant is, now you can focus on the next part of the information, then you're going to be much further along, and it's much easier to digest the information.- And it's easier to apply things you learn to your job or vice versa.- Yes.- And you're like, oh, that makes sense as to what, and it like it all, like just, it's a huge puzzle piece together. - Yes.- And you're like, wow.- I still don't know how I made it through vet school, never having worked in a small animal practice.- Where do you work?- I worked, what did I do?- Zoo.- Hello, everyone. - I worked as a zoo.- You did the zoo before you went for small animal, right?- And in vet school, we didn't work. We were so, we were in school the whole day, even the summer we worked, but I worked basketball camps in the summer. And then I never worked in a small animal practice. And it would have been a lot easier to learn the information had I done that.- Yeah, it's easy to read a textbook and take tests, but like applying it in the real world is very different. It is like a whole different ball game. Yeah, I, well, and when I was in school, I mean, I wasn't a vet student, I was a vet tech student. Unfortunately, because I, like I said, previously I went to IBC, which was very fast paced. It was, it was pretty much like a high school schedule. And so I was at school all day, and then when I would get done with school, I wouldn't, some of my classes ran till 4 4 30. It was 30 to 4 5 minutes away from the clinic. So by the time I got there was 5 15, they're not gonna have me work 45 minutes'cause the clinic was at 6. So what I did as I worked at a boarding facility, that's still animal experience.- Yeah, animal experience.- I mean, it's not, you're not learning like the knowledge, like you wouldn't have vet clinic, but there's that too.- Yeah, if the vet clinic, if their hours aren't flexible, or like, I don't know, I've always worked in animal stuff. So for sure. But that was cool too, getting that kind of experience.- Yeah, I'm super cool. That was a great question Abby.- Yeah, for sure.- Hooray fighting a lot.- Of course, whatever is best for yourself. But that's exciting starting school in the fall.- Yes.- Congratulations.- Yep. That's gonna be very exciting. It's gonna go by fast. What did you say?- What's their mascot, you know?- Fighting a line eye.- Huh?- Fighting a line eye.- Line eye?- Fighting a line eye.- A line eye.- A line eye.- I need to see a line eye.- Fighting a line eye.- Harrison, I don't have my phone.- Finding, fighting.- Fighting.- Fighting.- Fighting a line eye. It's like, they're an Indian, right?- Fighting a line eye, or an Indian mascot?- I got it.- You got it?- I got it.- So it was a picture.- Can we put it up on the screen please?- It would be so nice if we could just like pop it up there. You could actually probably screen your--- Well, this one says the bird.- Is this fighting a line eye?- Let's see.- Let's say university, Illinois.- Is this bird?- That school.- Oh.- University of Illinois.- Oh, wait. What?- Yes, see?- Fighting a line eye.- It's an Indian.- Yeah.- I don't know. My mom's from Illinois.- I was gonna hit us back. We're gonna have to know.- Can you comment a picture of what your mascot is that your future vet will be?- I was gonna say like go whatever, but I can't say--- A line eye.- A fighting line eye.- Yes, you can.- It's like fighting Irish.- Okay, think yeah. Then go fight.- Go fighting a line eye. I don't know their song. I don't know that.- Yeah, I don't know.- No disappointed.- All right, we'll see you next week on another episode of the Veterinary Roundtable.- Bye bye.- Oh.(laughs)- Thank you so much for tuning into another episode. Remember sending those questions and leave us a review if you've enjoyed this episode or a previous one. We'll see you next week for another episode.- The Ascendist Icebreaker, please.- Of the Veterinary Roundtable.- Bye bye.(upbeat music)