#58-The First Wave of Remembering from Merchants of Light | Guest: Betty J. Kovacs, PhD

The month of June, Julia Marie brings you the final interviews in her series with esteemed consciousness researcher Betty J. Kovacs, PhD.
The discussion centers around the five waves of remembering Betty details in her scholarly work about the return of Christ Consciousness. The book is a destined to be classic and is titled Merchants of Light-The Consciousness that is Changing the World.

In this episode, we concentrate on what, in Betty's estimation, is the most powerful of the 5 waves, the High Middle Ages. The emphasis was on the Divine Feminine, and society and societal norms reflected that focus. 

In this episode, learn how the Divine Feminine represents our higher consciousness.

• We look at the true meaning of the Grail Quest.
•  Learn about the power of the heart: it is the portal to our Great Self.
• See cathedrals in a different light: as temples of the soul.
• The labyrinth as symbol of our individual journey to higher consciousness.

RESOURCES:

Merchants of Light is available on Amazon and Betty's website: The Kamlak Center.

Transcript

This transcript was produced using AI and may contain errors.

Julia Marie (00:00):
Hey everybody. This month I'm bringing you the final four installments of my interview series with esteemed author and consciousness leader, Betty j Cova PhD. We'll be discussing the final section of her destined to be a classic book Merchants of Light, the consciousness that is changing the world. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you are a serious spiritual seeker, this book belongs on your shelf. And if
you're listening to this podcast, you are likely a bearer of light yourself. And the information Betty shares in this series, especially the final two episodes, should give you some hope. Though the outlook may look bleak, the coming of the light cannot be stopped. You are. We are the merchants of light returned once more to illuminate the darkness us.
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Welcome to Evolving Humans. I'm your host Julia Marie, and this podcast is for visionary people like you who are exploring the true nature of reality and want to contribute to the global awakening. You seek to deepen the connection to your multidimensional self so that you can live a more conscious life. Today I
continue my conversation about merchants of light, the consciousness that is changing the planet with well-known author and consciousness researcher, Betty j Kovacs, PhD. But first, I want to thank all of you for your continued support of evolving humans with your shares, ratings, and reviews. If you're
interested in learning more about why humanity is on this planet and where we are in the collective process of rediscovering our natural inborn connection to the divine, listen up as we take a look at the five ways of remembering. Betty calls them waves of Renaissance, which means rebirth or new birth.
Betty Kovacs taught literature writing and symbolic mythic language for 25 years after her retirement from teaching, she began an intense period of research into our ancient ancestors', direct experience of the vast consciousness of which we are all apart. The results of her research blended with her life
experience, her beautifully presented in her latest award-winning book, merchants of Light, the consciousness that is changing the world. Once again, I want to express my gratitude to you for this incredible book, Betty, and welcome once more to Evolving Humans. Well,
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (02:46):
Thank you so much. I'm happy to be here.
Julia Marie (02:50):
As I reread the last section of the book in preparation for this interview today, I almost had a sense of an image of an ocean of consciousness with waves coming in and out on a shore that would be our limited human consciousness, and each wave would roll in and then recede and then come back and go a little bit higher and then recede out. So I don't know if that's an appropriate image to have, but when I reread
that whole section, that's what I came away with.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (03:24):
Well, yes, while you were talking about, I was just imagining, it seems to me that the first wave was maybe the most powerful one, but there was a continued growth. So I think we probably can look at it in that way. It was just some of the most important seeds were in the first one, but they were developed more and more. And today it certainly is the largest wave for sure.
Julia Marie (03:55):
The first wave that you talk about was the high Middle Ages. So what was the central theme of that particular wave and how does the legend of the Holy Grail fit into all of that?
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (04:10):
Yes. Well, the theme of that first wave was the centrality of the heart to higher consciousness, and the major image was the divine feminine. Our lady, she was actually the grail because she is soul. And the most important thing of that period was the understanding that we aren't complete unless we have
opened ourselves to the divine wisdom, the queen of heaven, wisdom, soul, heart, and they really, really, some of the nuns, sisters and monks and nuns and the bi begin women, there were many mystics among them, and so many others were actually developing consciously this centrality of the heart and
how it actually could be developed in a way that it took its place in the heart of the earth so that it was, could actually merge with the heart of the earth. So this was a powerful, mystical renaissance in understanding that what had been censored by the church for 700 years since the Roman church took over in the fourth century, the later part of the fourth century, and the church had censored everything.
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No one could think of, think of anything else other than the church doctrine. They did indeed murder people destroyed all kinds of texts and temples and mystery schools, and anyone who had any book that was different from the Orthodox position was in danger or certainly couldn't say anything. So here were
700 years of very severe suppression of the feminine, and not only was it the feminine, the divine feminine, the soul, the heart, it was the woman herself, the actual female being was censored. So this renaissance, this awakening emerged in Europe. It was powerful. It just, even men began to wear more feminine clothing. They changed the game of chess to include the feminine more prominently. And
everything was about the female, the grail, the search for the holy grail, which is the heart, it is the soul, and it is symbolized in the feminine being.
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And so when the Knights of King Arthur's round table had the vision of the grail at the center of the table, they all of course streaked out into the forest on their own individual path because the force in this case is a labyrinth. Each one takes his own journey into that labyrinth. The labyrinth and forest and all of the events that occur to that night are particularly for him, just as whatever events occur in our
labyrinthine journey are events that are helping us to see ourselves more fully and grow and developed. So this was just pervasive. All Europe was put, was just ignited with this particular gray legend because it was something that had been dormant for so many hundreds of years. And now it was what that longing
of the soul brought forth in these images. It was a very, very powerful time.
Julia Marie (07:37):
And would you say that it was the collective soul's yearning that activated that dormant seed? Again, that just came to me to ask you.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (07:46):
Oh, no, I think it's exactly the right question. Yes, I would say so. There were things that helped to ignite it. First of all, when the soul has been really not allowed to express itself in its own true voice, there is going to build up gradually that longing because the psyche knows what's missing. And so yes, I think
individual psyches, the collective psyche, they longed for something that the church could not give them. Although Jesus very often did take on a very feminine quality to help to feed that soul longing. And certainly he was an image of soul as well. But there were other reasons all to the south of Europe, all the way up to Spain, Cordova and Spain, this brilliant, highly developed Arabic culture, which really
did develop beautifully. That's something that in history we're usually not taught, but in Cordova, the Muslims, the Jews, the Christians work together and people throughout Europe who wanted to know
and could travel, went to Cordova to learn to be in this atmosphere.
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So it was the Arabic culture that really helped to ignite that incredible longing within the human heart that just exploded then. And coming from the more west west of Europe, in the uk, in Wales, in Brittany,
were these stories that as they were told, they were developed actually to fulfill that longing. And so here was this young man, PARC who knew nothing. He was so naive, and I'm so grateful for that because I feel we start out very often, we don't know anything, but we have to have the courage to show up
even though we're ignorant perhaps. And just like in one dream, when I went to visit Yin, he invited me in and I flew in on my belly. I tripped as I went in. Well, that's okay. I showed up and parable showed up. So he was the young man who knew nothing, but he wanted to know.
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And I think it's a wonderful symbol of many at that period of time, and many of us today when we start on our journey, so there were stories then of King Arthur and the Knights coming from that area of Wales and Britney and Wales flooding into Europe. And of course, as the Troubador took these stories
and sang them in all of the major courts of Europe, of course the stories grew and developed. And as the psyche was able to take this in and the stories developed even more. And so it really put Europe on fire for something this longing that was symbolized in the feminine and in the holy grail and in the journey
itself to discover that.
Julia Marie (10:41):
And it's interesting. That's all juxtaposed against the church not wanting that to happen.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (10:48):
Oh, absolutely. That it is the one thing that the church did not want to happen, and anyone who had an inner experience, no tics, but s has another dimension too to people who had experiences and maybe we don't agree with the conclusions they drew, but Nosis itself means we have our own inner
experience and the church called those people heretics and they were the enemies of the church. So anything that even suggested your own inner experience made the church cautious and very against it.
And of course, this was exactly what they had denied all those 700 years. And every one of the Renaissance periods, of course is about no, because that's what we are about is knowing and experiencing these higher levels of consciousness that we are born with, but we have to ignite. It's part of the revolution that just like we learned to walk and speak once we're born, we have to learn how to
open these higher brain centers. But that's not what the church wanted. And I don't know whether the church fathers really understood what we are capable of. Just like I think today, many of the technocrats who want to merges with machine have no idea that we have the potential for far more than that. Not just intellectual knowledge, but for that inner wisdom development.
Julia Marie (12:22):
I read that whole section kind of in one sitting, and there's a parallel between, or I guess a resonance or an echo. I don't know how I would describe it, between this first wave is all about the heart, and there's a lot of that in the consciousness movement today is all about moving into the heart center. So we're
reigniting that strand again about trying to get people to turn inward and pay attention to their inner guidance.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (12:55):
Yes, and all of the shaman mystic traditions of our ancestors were always heart centered. They knew that, and the pictures of Jesus are with the heart that's radiant. So he too was a mystic, and he knew that the heart is the central core really of consciousness, and now we have the science to back that up
with heart. Math has done incredible scientific studies on the heart and the centrality of the heart, and in reducing aggression and improving our ability to even learn intellectually, nevermind our ability to open to love and feeling how we feel about it. The ancient Egyptians knew that without feeling that
ability to feel what we are living and thinking that they would say civilization cannot continue to unfold.
Well, what did we do in modern culture is that forget your feelings. I'm not interested in that. What are the facts? What are the intellectual facts?
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I don't care how you feel. Well, feeling is a way of knowing and understanding, but we just lost that. So with heart math, here is a scientific understanding now that consciousness is centered in the heart, that the heart is the fifth brain component and gives more to the brain than the brain gives to it, and that it is
in a Taurus shape. It goes out many feet from us, this energy of the heart. And when we embrace someone, these Taurus energy systems are merging or sit next to someone. I mean, we have such an incredible inner power that can be used so creatively, we've just been told century after century, you're
nothing. You're flawed, you're sinner. And whether we believed it or not, it affected us. That's the science that we have. And of course, quantum physics is another aspect of science in this fifth wave that supports other dimensions of reality because we've been told for centuries that there's nothing but matter. Well, quantum physics says, no, this is not true. There are other dimensions.
Julia Marie (15:15):
One of the other things that fascinated me about the whole first wave was how the cathedrals were, there were so many of them in Europe that were built in honor of our lady.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (15:30):
Yes, this is the most amazing thing. I don't remember the exact number now, but hundreds, yes, of temples and cathedrals were built, and they were built really relatively quickly, and there were, I don't know whether they were there, six major cathedrals built to our lady in France, and they were built. One
monk tells us on the land in the same position of the stars in Virgo, the Virgin, this would be understandable because in each, for example, above as below the hermetic text, and so it would be natural to build on the land something that matched the position of stars in the heavens. It's just
amazing how these were built. And with the glass, the beautiful stained glass, no one was ever able to make the stained glass like that. After those cathedrals were built, people say These were alchemists
who worked on the stained glass. It's a bringing spirit into the glass, and they just simply disappeared after that. No one could ever repeat or replicate that. And we're also told, full canelli wrote about the
temples themselves. They're like an limbic, an alchemical vessel, so that when you go in, it's designed architecturally to ignite your own spirit. That in the ancient tradition, a church is never just built. It's structured always according to certain star structures. And then those energies flood into the cathedral,
and the cathedral is architecturally shaped to receive those and ignite the individual. That's beautiful. I think
Julia Marie (17:25) When I was a child about 12, I had the opportunity actually very totally unconscious at the time. Of course, I had the privilege of visiting Notre Dame, the cathedral at Notre Dame, and even without understanding what it was I was experiencing, I could feel the holiness of the place when I went inside.
And I just remember light coming in through the stained glass being almost physically affected by the Oh, that's great. Without understanding that I was probably being ignited in some way.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (18:00):
In some way, yes. And certainly these churches were built by people who weren't probably a part of the Roman church. The Knights Temple could have been in charge of the building, and the people in the community all wanted it and worked on it and wanted funds to go to that cathedral. To our lady, we just
don't know. We don't know exactly what it was, but I've often felt that those churches, those cathedrals, even those built by the Roman church were, you could go into them. I remember in Europe you could go into them and candles would be lit, or if music played and you would be there. That was a beautiful
place, and I commend the Roman Church for having these temples and spaces for people to go to experience something in the inner world, and it was usually attached to the image of Jesus, which is also could because he is an image of soul. That must be said as a real plus for the church that these places
existed better than the square boxes of many Protestant churches. I can remember as a child, I had an uncle and a wonderful uncle. I loved him, but he was a minister of a very conservative church. There were no music and no art. The women didn't wear makeup, which is fine, but I mean, we need art. We need beauty because there's such beauty in the world. But I can remember thinking it was hard to feel anything in those places.
Julia Marie (19:38):
The difference between the modern boxes we have and a cathedral like Notre Dame, there isn't anything to compare to. True. There really isn't. Yeah, because I, that's been 50 years and I still can feel it. Yeah. Oh, that's
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (19:55):
Beautiful. Yeah. Well, also there were labyrinths in those cathedrals of the high Middle Ages, quite a few. I don't remember the number because I only was aware of the one in Sharp, but there were many,
when they were later destroyed or even in Sharp for years, they just put chairs over it. They, it's that, but the Labyrinth is an image of our journey toward higher consciousness, the great self, and I heard
someone speak about shark and say that the stones in the labyrinth are the same number that a child is in the womb. This is your second birth. Oh, wow. I had not known that, and I probably mentioned this before. Ka, who was a classical scholar, Hungarian born classical scholar, had said that the labyrinth is,
that's journey to our higher consciousness. We go round and round and down and down into the depth of depth of who we are.
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We there, we confront divine consciousness, the all, not as other, but as self. And in the cathedral at Shark, once you are standing in that center, you look up and you see the rose window, and Mary is holding the child. So it's the birth of the child, the birth of higher consciousness. That is the point. Not just that Mary had a child. Jesus. No. He is symbolic of the birth of ourselves. So when we get to that
Centerstone in the labyrinth and look up, we see the birth of the Holy Child ourselves, and that rose window is the same size as the Labyrinth.
Julia Marie (21:45): Wow. I didn't know that.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (21:47):
I didn't either. It's they're just so many little details. But in the ancient world, the builders, they were called the ancient builders. It was an initiated group of people who they say in Egypt, they were initiated into the mysteries of da, birth, death, and rebirth of death and rebirth, and I think they've existed before
Egypt. I think they were the ones who built the megaliths and the mega megalithic structures all over the world who were so in tune with the harmony and laws of nature. I think that these builders were initiates who built these cathedrals.
Julia Marie (22:28):
I would tend to agree with you because of what you said about how they're built oriented in certain directions, and a lot of them on prior sacred sites.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (22:38):
Yes. The Christians were wise about that. They knew that there are certain places in the world where the earth energies are conducive to igniting. So the earth itself is working with the architectural structure to ignite something in us. And before the Christians were there, the Druids were there, and
they also spoke about this land as being sacred land where energies in the earth come together and they said, A sacred child will be born here. They foresaw, in my opinion, that we are capable of the rebirth of ourselves, the Christ in us. So it's considered for centuries as a sacred spot.
Julia Marie (23:22):
Well, since the beginning of my own awakening 30 years ago, they basically told me that Jesus was simply a three-dimensional model of my own potential as a human being, and that I was to look at his life as an example or a model of my own potential
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (23:43):
To become that
Julia Marie (23:44):
Christ.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (23:45):
Yes, yes. Oh, that's beautiful.
Julia Marie (23:46):
Yeah. I love that. And that the second coming is actually the ignition of the Christ within the collective, not just an individual spark. Oh,
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (23:55):
Exactly. Yeah. It's within us. What was the point in the very beginning, but the church distorted that, and then we found that there were texts used in early Christianity found at NAMA in Egypt. Those texts make it clear, you must become the Christ. That's what it was all about, not someone outside us, because if someone came today that was a Christ figure, it's not going to really affect us until we ignite it
within ourselves, then we are totally transformed. But someone outside us can't do it.
Julia Marie (24:32):
Well, the model of Christ being the Savior, and it's all on him, and therefore I don't have any personal responsibility for my own evolution. Never sat well with me even as a small child. Me either. What's wrong with this picture? Yeah,
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (24:50):
That's so great. Yeah. And yes, for sure is how could someone dying be good for me? How could that save me? Some of these things that we're told to believe are so lacking, not only in left brain rationality, but in symbolic reality. It just doesn't work that way.
Julia Marie (25:12):
Yeah. Well, you mentioned that philosopher a minute ago. I forgot how you pronounce his name, but he was talking about Sharp, and he said how it was a healing center too.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (25:23):
Oh, Elli, yes. A very interesting person. We don't know too much about him, at least I don't, kind of a secretive person, but he wrote a book about the cathedral as alchemical vessel. One can get his book on that. I think that other people have said that, that it's itself, the whole structure is architecturally and
earth energy into a certain way that we experienced just like the ancient Egyptian.
Julia Marie (25:53):
I never had the opportunity to go to that particular one, but
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (25:58):
I didn't either. Yeah, I haven't did go to Europe to study many, many years ago when I was very young and I saw many cathedrals, but I didn't know anything then you know me neither.
Julia Marie (26:10):
Darn it. I
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (26:11):
Know, and I wanted to say that what happens in those cathedrals, that the consciousness, it transforms
us. And when we get in the center of the labyrinth, the mysteries there at Chart recall the Mary Mysteries, the Higher Self was Mary, and that's what they were focused on at Chart. I didn't know that either.
Julia Marie (26:33):
We've come to the end of our time today. Next week we'll continue our discussion of the five Waves by examining the second, third, and fourth waves. To connect with Betty and her work, please visit the com lock centers website, www K A M L k.com. Her message is both simple and profound. We are awakening to the divine game. Thank you for continuing to listen and support evolving humans. If I receive enough
listener questions, I'll create a bonus episode for your summer listening experience.