#59-The 5 Waves of Remembering-Pt2-Merchants of Light | Guest: Betty J. Kovacs, PhD

Julia Marie and Betty J. Kovacs continue their discussion of the 5 waves of remembering, and Betty gives Evolving Humans listeners a powerful take-away in the closing minutes of the show. It's a must listen!

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Julia Marie (00:00):
Hey everybody. This is part two of my four-part discussion on the five Waves of remembering with esteemed author and consciousness leader Betty j Kovacs, PhD. This comes from the final section of her book, destined to be a classic merchants of light, the consciousness that is changing the world. If you're
listening to this podcast episode, you are likely a bearer of light. And the information Betty shares in this series, especially in the upcoming episodes, should give you some hope. The coming of the light cannot be stopped. You are. We are the merchants of light returned once more to illuminate the world. Thank you for your continuing support of this podcast. If you're running short on time today and can't listen to
the entire episode, just jump to the last five minutes or so. You won't want to Miss Betty's answer to my question about a listener takeaway from today's episode. Welcome to Evolving Humans. I'm your host, Julia Marie, and this podcast is for visionary people like you who are exploring the true nature of reality
and want to contribute to the global awakening. You seek to deepen the connection to your multidimensional self so that you can live a more conscious life. This second wave, first wave was heart consciousness, and then we move into this second wave. Can you talk a little bit about that second wave?
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (01:38):
Yes. Well, it came about 160 years later and it was the awakening of so many people to the outer world. It was in 14 hundreds and there's been the great plague in the 13 hundreds and many people that died.
It was just a terrible thing. And so there was more focus on living life now and a little bit of a movement away from the church. And of course there were the meese and other big families that were able to create revenue and enough for people to have more things go more places. And so these great families
had a lot to do with it. And also they could commission artists to do art that the church would not have commissioned. Now, the church was still commissioning art in some extraordinary beautiful art.
Certainly was commissioned by the church by many of these painters and sculptors and so on.
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But for instance, de Medici commissioned art of nature and the beauty of the feminine and so many different things that people hadn't been able to express in painting before. And just simply the beauty of the human body that's in David, that beautiful sculpture of David and just the body, the strength
individual, the hands of the, of the human body, which with the church you could hardly mention your body. It was kind of shame with nakedness and that kind of thing. So that was just very strongly broke away from that. And artists then were just being able to paint things they hadn't painted before. That
was one thing. And then there was traveling and interest in other places and people because of the money and that sort of thing. But there was, I think they're connected that the high Middle Ages were definitely connected with the Italian Renaissance, but much just below the surface of consciousness, just in the high Middle Ages.
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They were there. I think building the cathedrals and igniting so much with still, you might say under the name of Christianity, because they all knew that whether we're an alchemist or a heist or catalyst or mystic Christian, it's the same. It's that same heartfelt consciousness that we are all capable of. So they
were working discreetly together in the high Middle Ages, and they were just under the surface in the Italian Renaissance 160 years later, certainly feeding I think consciousness the best they could, but it was with the Roman church there. It was just too difficult for it to really rise in a way that it could develop further. And I think I've mentioned before, one young man in his twenties, I'm always amazed
with this in his twenties, Pico me, brilliant. I mean, every book that he had read, he had in his memory and Dante's divine comedy, he could recite the whole thing.

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And the really kind of quirky thing about it is he could recite that backwards. Now, what kind of mind did he have? I mean, it just overwhelms one to think about it. And he's in his twenties and he sees, he's very interested in alchemy and kabbala because it's enough of the surface that he knows about it and studying it. And so he realizes, wait a minute, all of these underground traditions that he knew of, and
the religions are really at the core all the same. So he said, I will write, he wrote 900 theses about this. Wow, can you imagine? In his late twenties, and he was inviting people from all over Europe. It would be like another cardova. And so he was naive. One has to admit young and naive, and we can be so grateful
for these young people who sometimes are, because they tried to do things that we wouldn't take the chance to do.
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So he goes to Rome to print it. Also, he's going to have this convention in Rome once the Pope found out about it, oh, it was, no, you will not print this. It will not be printed. This convention will not take place and put him in prison. Can you imagine he struggled the rest of his life. He was poisoned in I think the late twenties. I think one of the Medicis got him out of prison, but he had to be very careful. And there
was a man who was very much against the church and why can't I remember his name right now?
Anyway, he was really a forerunner of Protestantism, but he was really strict. I mean, he had little bands of kids going out on the streets. If anyone had anything that was beautiful or too ornamental or in their homes, the artwork, mirrors, whatever, anything like that, they would've be destroyed.
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Well, Pico Pico was fascinated with him, I think because he saw the dangers in the church, but maybe Pico didn't really see the dangers in him. It stopped that one of the later Medicis might have been the one who poisoned him because of his interest in that man. In that particular kind of restrict movement,
he became quite a forerunner for the Protestants later. And of course, there were those Protestants who were very, very strict in that way. As I said, with my own uncle, no art, no makeup, no music, but at any rate, this is kind of, for me, was a symbol of what could not happen during the Italian Renaissance.
And yet when we were in school, it was all about the Renaissance, and it was magnificent in the sense that things were thought and felt and painted and danced and experienced in ways that Europe had not been able to do before. But the underground traditions, which were the shaman mystic tradition,
couldn't get very far. One of the things I love is that in the high Middle Ages, the painting of the Annunciation was so, and I so love that because we can
Julia Marie (07:42):
See, I was going to ask you about that next. Oh, good. So ask me, have at it. I'm fascinated. I've always loved the image itself, had the chance to see it. There was just something mystical and magical about it.
But I loved your explanation about the hidden message in that particular painting in the link it has Back to the cathedral at Shark. Please talk about it. Well,
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (08:06):
I think that that's the case because we see even when the artist is going to paint the annunciation that is announcing the angel announcing to Mary that she is carrying the holy child, the Christ child. I mean, even if an artist has that goal in mind, when you see these paintings, something else is taking place.
Here is Mary and an angel. I mean, it's this being from another world. This higher intelligence appears before her, and it's, it's a lot for her. And the painter then will often paint the sun or the moon. It's just disk of just bright light coming, and then the whole ray just coming right into Mary. Well, this is, yes, higher consciousness. It's the divine child being impregnated with the divine child. Just as we can receive
that ray of light into us, and we are impregnated with this higher consciousness, or the angel will be looking at Mary with the eye, and you'll see a golden stream coming from his eye to Mary.
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Sometimes it has the golden letters actually, of speaking to her through this ray of light. So it seemed to me that this so clearly the enunciation to a woman that she is impregnated with this or awakening to this higher divine consciousness is true for all of us. And we know that that was true of Jesus teaching
them the Naati text. And so here I thought in chart what was beautiful about that, everything was focused on the development of the higher self, of higher consciousness. And here in the very heart of
the Roman Church was the true Christianity, the real Christianity, that the hidden tradition that Jesus taught, which just ignited what is the bird that reborn is reborn when he said Phoenix. Phoenix, yes. The rebirth of original Christianity of Jesus Rubin original teachings. In short, well, here it is carried in these
paintings, even if the artist is not entirely conscious of it.
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I mean, we often as artists will, we are aware that something is taking place that we're not directing even in writing a text. I'm sure you've seen this, is that we have to see the text. We think we're going to go one way and the text takes us another. So I think this was a major influence, and those paintings are
still being done in the Italian Renaissance, and yet the underground tradition couldn't develop much, but it was there and all of the beautiful things and the art and the travel and the business, all of that that we know and are taught in school about the Italian Renaissance, most people know. But what I want to point out is that this tradition of the birth of higher consciousness is continuing. It's there, although with
this idea of the Protestant idea that's growing, that any kind of art is ornate and purposeless and shouldn't be participated in, many of the artists kind of wanted to destroy their work, their poetry, their painting, which was too bad.
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But that was one of the effects. At any rate, it looked as though for years, centuries, that's all there was, that this happened. And the Renaissance was very successful in many ways in the world, especially in enjoying this life in time and space. But it wasn't until the 20th century that Francis Yates, who was
working as a scholar researcher at the Warburg Institute in England, that she began to see documents.
She said it was like digging, excavating, excavating until she got to this incredible renaissance culture in 1600, between 1,616, 20 that we didn't even know about. And she said, I always thought as the rest of us, that those underground traditions died out in the Italian Renaissance. We didn't hear anymore about them. And oh, no, they went underground, but just underground, just under the surface, they were able
to get together. And there was a lot of publication of alchemical text and that kind of thing during the 15 hundreds.
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So in 1600 in Prague, which was the old Bohemia, these alchemists and her medicist and mystic Christianity, Christians, and did I say capitalist? They all met in Prague. There was a Catholic who was in control, but he was interested in these things and he allowed that. And then they were very much connected to Heidelberg and Germany and then also in England. So that connection between England and Germany and Prague and Czechoslovakia, there was this movement all the way across Europe of
awakening and booksellers and going to various places, telling them about books that had been published and what it was all about. And Friedrich in Heidelberg had a whole renaissance city, and there were engineers, mathematicians, mystics, scientists were all over the place. They were in Heidelberg and England and Prague. And it was just for 20 years, it was fantastic development. But then the church
found out what was going on because Friedrich had died.
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And there were some laws that made it possible that Friedrich, the Protestants could get Friedrich in as leader in Prague. And they did. They placed him there. Well, they call him the winter king and queen, because he only lasted a winter. When that happened, the church knew what was up. And so they moved in and destroyed the whole business. Now, that means that what we had in Bohemia were
scientists who were mystics or mystics who were working with scientists. They merged that because always science, when it did develop was always in connection with mysticism, the experience of the inner, let's understand it in the outer terms. So here were these people who were really doing work, but most of their papers were destroyed.
Julia Marie (14:25):
That was basically that shortlived third wave that you've Yes. Talked to. Yeah, it's just 20 years. Boom.
Yes,
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (14:33):
Yes. And then destroyed it. And Yate talks about Heidelberg. It said it was just destroyed. This beautiful renaissance city was destroyed and papers destroyed, thrown out in the streets. It was a disaster. Well, what happened after the destruction of that was a war between the Protestants and Catholics for 30
years. Oh, wow. They fought, that's the 30 years war then. That's the 30 years. Oh, wow. And that resulted from that destruction, and it was a Protestant endeavor in a way. But all of these underground traditions wouldn't have called themselves either. One. They were mystics and scientists. I read that in Germany, in some cities, half the people were killed. Wow. Can you imagine that? And it was just
devastating. After that war, by 1660, there was the emergence of official science. They would say for the West, it was the establishment of the Royals society for the advancement of science in 1660 in England.
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But everybody knew no mysticism. That church totally had a hand on that. They could study nothing but matter. And that's why we ended up with the science that there's nothing but matter. Okay. I didn't know that they had been censored. And it's ironic that it was the church, but the church did not want any of these mystics, these heretics. So it was censored from the beginning. Can't blame the scientists.
It's not until quantum physics that they make the full loop together. They close the circle and they now can study altered states of consciousness. But it took that long from 1660 until the last century. Twentie 20th. Yeah, 20th century. And they're still trying to figure out, I mean, the first people who were working
with in quantum physics, it's like they knew that something was going on, but they couldn't figure out.
And then all around the world, scientists individually were beginning to put things together.
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And so they're beginning to see, oh, what the mystics had seen before, but in a much more rational developed way. Although it was those mystics and scientists at Prague who gave our later official science, mathematics as a way to understand nature. And when they were destroyed and oh, there was a terrible propaganda against them, the church in Habsburgs, they, all of their ability went into propaganda against these crazy people. And even so much so that mathematics was thought of as a kind
of force of the witches and the demons, because the propaganda was so much against it. So our thinking in the West has been so distorted by these censorships and propaganda campaigns, and it's so for centuries, we were taught, and you were certainly not intellectual if you didn't accept it, that there's
nothing but matter. There is no soul, no meaning, no purpose.
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You're dead. You're dead. We're a fluke of, I can't even think that there could be any kind of worldview that could be more dangerous than that or more destructive. And it has destroyed us in a very real way spiritually. So that we have now a group of people who still believe that and still believe that we're flawed as a deuteronomist. And the church told us, and they can fix us with ai, so they don't know who
we really are. So the West, we could say in so many ways is a result of the failure or the destruction of these Renaissance periods, although they always continue to grow and went underground.
Julia Marie (18:23):
Well, that brings us to this fourth wave, which I found interesting that it was the late 17 hundreds. So around the same time that we have advanced thinkers creating documents here that founded this country, you've got this fourth wave of the Germans in particular gta and Blake. And Blake and his philosophy and Gerta just along the lines of the observations that he made about how this gradual
realization of inborn potentialities, it's like a natural unfoldment, if I understood that correctly. And Faust talking about Faust
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (19:05):
Faust is so important because what Gerta saw and understood so deeply was that all of this suppression of who we really are has split the human psyche right down the middle. And that we are fian. Now.
Faust is doing terrible things, and he never realizes until the end that Methos or the devil is part of him. It's been spit off and he doesn't know and he can't feel. But Gerta gave us the image of what we had become due to all of this censorship. That was such a profound gift to the West, whether it was fully
acknowledged by very many or not during that time, late 16 hundreds, then when the Society for Sciences developing, and at the same time the French philosophers are developing, they are result of the failure of the true philosophers. The true enlightenment, and I can't say this strongly enough, the
true Enlightenment was in Prague.
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They wanted the enlightenment of the scientific knowledge along with the mystical experience, and they wanted it for the whole world. And they knew that education would be a big part of it because we, to zoom into science without the heart is to destroy the world, the planet. They knew that. So that was the true enlightenment that was destroyed. The French Enlightenment philosophers come along and
they say there's nothing except rational consciousness. That's important. We have achieved it now. And of course, there was that arrogance and they, they felt that they were superior to any other group of people who hadn't achieved that. All of the symbolic language, the mythic, the so-called spiritual stuff, that nonsense. We don't need that any longer. Only the rational. So that was a disaster. And when we
go to school, that's all we're taught in really, basically. And so they were a major shaper of Western consciousness along with the church, limiting science.
(21:16):
It could have taken us other places and is today, so here is Germany. Now, Gerda would have none of it.
Germany would have none of it. It's like, no, you are wrong. But why did they know? Because the last enlightenment period, Renaissance was in German territory. And that went slightly underground, but existed as pietism in Germany. But it existed probably in many things. But it was that many of the German thinkers and experiencers go the way of the left brain. No, it's both. In fact, Gertin, Nova's, other writers, they said, we are developing a new mythology. It was actually the blueprint of our full development from the shaman mystic tradition, the blueprint of our wholeness. Well, that's why they knew Gerta went off to the university and hated it. His father wanted to study law. He came home and his mother saw that spiritually he was in need.
(22:21):
And so she got her friend to come talk with him. And her friend was a Pist Alchemist, and Gerta became one of the major alchemists of the Western world at that time. He was, even the structure of his writing is very often in a chemical structure. And most people didn't realize that about Gerta. Novas came behind and learned from Gerta, although I think he must have died also in his late twenties or sometime. But he was also brilliant and studied the alchemical works and wrote what he wrote was how
to find this feminine consciousness. They wouldn't go along with the new science, which was split down the middle, nothing but rational or the so-called enlightenment philosophers. But we have to give it to those enlightenment philosophers in France. They were moving away from the church and finding our independence and freedom and all of these things that we have valued in America, whether we live by
them or not, was the independence the right to make our own choices and so on. We have to thank those philosophers for that, that here is a world in which we must have freedom and independence. So I, I'm grateful to them for that.
Julia Marie (23:36):
Like I said, as I read those chapters all at once, it was like there are so many parallels between these prior and almost a synthesis of the main themes of all of those waves that are happening in this current one. Exactly. And that's why I want to take a whole episode to talk about just about that fifth wave, which is the one we're currently in. So is there anything else important that maybe to leave the listener
with about this concept that we've been talking about, these waves of remembering? Is there anything that they could take away from our discussion today?
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (24:17):
Well, what I think is so important, and I tried to capture in the Merchants of light, is that this business with the French philosophers, and there's only the rational world. This is a late comer we've had in the West. There's been a very profound, deep, philosophical, spiritual, mystical tradition. And it has continued to exist even when it's censored, although it has to go underground. And when it emerges, it
wants to integrate the mainline culture with what we are omitting to make us whole. But that it has existed always and that there have been these renaissance periods, they were suppressed, but they did have an impact. And I think that if we look at the high Middle Ages, the grail legend, it's exactly where we are in the sense that we haven't achieved that. That is our myth for today of finding that grail within
us.
(25:16):
But this is not a new age thing. This is more ancient than any other way of being that we know, and it is now existing. The fifth renaissance is here, and we will talk about that. But I think that it is this one. We must not let this one fail. We have to integrate this into ourselves because as I've said before, there might not be a human species if we're merged with the machine. This is a precious, powerful, beautiful
potential in our species to develop. And we've been told that doesn't exist, that you're nothing because they were so afraid of it. If they wanted to control us, and people who wanted control were people who didn't know this, they themselves need to go inward and find that power within them, and then they wouldn't need to try to have power over us. So I think I would want to always remember this is ancient,
the very roots of Western culture that's been trying to get us to know who we are for centuries.
Julia Marie (26:22):
Well, in many ways, I would say it's the global culture too. It's all of it. The roots are there. But on the western side, we've kind of totally lost touch with any of it.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (26:36):
It's that censorship and I really worked only with the west. The east has a different story, but that you're referring to, I think, is that we have influenced the whole world now
Julia Marie (26:49):
With this. Yeah, we have.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (26:50):
And so I'm taking it from that angle. I mean, there are people, native people, indigenous people have held onto it to the degree that they could with the violence that's been aga held against them. But in the east they have two. But we had the pre-Socratic philosophers as Peter Kingsley so beautifully tells us they practice. This is the West. It's been a different story in the East. And someone, others are telling
that story and think, heavens, many people went to the east and learned things and opened and brought them home. I think it's so important for us to know at our roots has been the the journey for wholeness, for fulfilling the blueprint of our whole evolution. And that's higher realms of consciousness that we are born out of and is our heritage. That's who we are and have been denied so we can be controlled. And now is the time that we must open to who we are.
Julia Marie (27:55):
So to everybody listening, if all you listen to is the last five minutes, that's where the message is. So Betty, we've come to the end of our time together, but before we close out this episode, I just want to let people know how they can get ahold of you. And so that's to go to her website, www lac, that's K A M L k.com. Both of her books are available there, as well as through major book sellers. And if you sign
up for her newsletter, you'll receive a free download of a chapter from Merchants of Light. As a gift. I learned a lot, as I always do when I speak with you, and I know the listeners appreciate your wisdom as well because they've told me so I just want to thank you for taking the time to be here again today.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (28:50):
Thank you. I really appreciate being with you and talking with you. So thank you.