#60 The 5th Wave of Remembering-Merchants of Light | Guest: Betty J. Kovacs, PhD

Julia Marie welcomes consciousness researcher Betty J. Kovacs, PhD back to the show for the final two episodes about our collective awakening. The 5th Wave of Remembering is the wave we are currently experiencing, and Betty encourages us all to Wake Up so that we can anchor the Light that will raise the vibration of this world into her next evolution.

The Key to our success: When we change the narrative, we change the world.

In this episode, you will learn about:

• What is the narrative we all must change?
• How quantum physics opened the door to this 5th Wave.
• Ponder this: Matter is what Spirit looks like in the physical Universe.
• How native people around the world have been the keepers of the Truth.
• How can you become an anchor for the Light?
• We talk about the Kogi tribe in south america.
• How our choices are actually damaging the scaffolding upon which consciousness hangs.
• We have forgotten we are powerful creators, we are immortal, we are all divine, and our consciousness does not die.
• And much more.

RESOURCES:
Betty's Website

Transcript

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Julia Marie (00:03):
Welcome to Evolving Humans. I'm your host, Julia Marie, and this podcast is for visionary people like you who are exploring the true nature of reality and want to contribute to the global awakening. You seek to deepen the connection to your multidimensional self so that you can live a more conscious life.
 Have you been asking yourself what you can do to help change the world? I know it's a big question, but today you'll hear why my guest, Betty j Kova PhD believes we have the greatest potential at this time to take a quantum leap in consciousness. Perhaps now is the time. Today we're going to talk about the fifth wave
of remembering, and I'll ask Betty what each of us can do to help you humanity transcend our history.
Betty j Kova PhD is the author of the award-winning book, merchants of Light, the Consciousness that is Changing the World. She taught literature writing and symbolic mythic language. For 25 years after her retirement from teaching, she began an intense period of research into our ancient ancestors direct
experience of a vast her consciousness. She spent years compiling the research and blending it with her own experience of the divine in this scholarly work that both educates and inspires. I'm honored to welcome her once more to evolving humans to complete our discussion of this incredible book.
Welcome, Betty.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (01:44):
Oh, thank you, Julie. Happy to be with you.
Julia Marie (01:49):
I want to talk today about the fifth wave, this wave of remembering we're currently living through, and you opened that chapter with a quote. When we change the narrative, we change the world. And I know we've been talking about it and alluding to it, but what is this narrative we need to change in order to change the world?
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (02:12):
That's an excellent question because we have all been born into and brought up with the narrative that we are nothing, that there is nothing but matter. There is no meaning to all of this, no purpose. When we're dead, we're dead and we have no ability to do anything about it. We can't change matter. That is
the most destructive worldview any culture has ever had, and it has hurt and destroyed the life force in many, many ways. But in the early 19 hundreds, science took another turn and developed quantum physics, which negates that worldview. And even some of the scientists working in quantum physics
have not put the pieces together enough yet to know, because science, like so many things today is a very specialized field and work, but there are scientists all around the world working in different labs and independently of each other who are realizing, oh my God.
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And they've gone back to some of the mystical literature of earlier times to try to figure out what they had been negating and missing. So we are in the process of creating a narrative that can heal us and our children and the land, the planet. We just have to become aware of it and know what's happening. And
for us to put the pieces together in this fifth wave because fifth wave of what? And that's what I tried to say in the book. There were four waves of awakening, you might say, to this ancient tradition of who we really are to this other narrative that is exquisitely powerful and beautiful and healing. And we are
awakening to that through science, through quantum physics, which is wonderful because we now have a science that can support this new narrative and we are awakening to it within our own being. We're awakening to the power and energy that is within us, that the divine is not outside us, it's inside us, and
it's one powerful divine energy
Julia Marie (04:41):
Of which we are all apart.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (04:44):
Yes, we are. It as Alan Wa used to say, we are it, but that's what we had forgotten in the old narrative.
There was no divinity whatsoever and we certainly weren't part of it. If there were,
Julia Marie (04:57):
You've told us in the book that every time this knowledge of who we really are begins to emerge, it was suppressed, but that somehow this time it's different. Is that only because of the addition of quantum physics?
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (05:14):
Well, I think there are many reasons, although there are the forces probably more powerful than they've ever been, who would choose to destroy the new narrative consciously and unconsciously, because I don't think they know they have lived in a world in which the human being is unimportant and negligible
and has no power. And having that narrative within them makes them want to control the world. Well, that there's nothing out there, then they are the masters. They will control it and control the rest of us who are really nothing. And there's a kind of egotism that develops out of that kind of limitation of knowledge. But we have the physics, but not many of us really understand that yet. And we all want to
understand it better, but I just think more people know the communication is much greater. Here you are, Julie, with your program to get information out.
(06:19):
You have had direct experience and there are many, many now who are directly experiencing consciousness that is not visible, that is not in matter. And the physicists are telling us that matter is what spirit looks like in the physical universe. It's all one energy. It can take the form of spirit. It always has the form of spirit, but spirit can also take the form of matter. And if human beings and all life forms
plant an animal, so we are beginning to understand that there is one energy, whether we want to call it material or spiritual, and that each of us has access to other dimensional consciousness. And this one energy can be used destructively or it can be used creatively. Now, the Egyptians really had a profound
understanding of that as deep an understanding as our scientist have of the quantum field. That's one energy.
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They know that and that's the central core of quantum physics. For the Egyptians, the core, the of their spiritual tradition was this fiery, they use symbolic language to describe it, this fiery serpent energy that was one energy and that we need to always tend to that energy because if we don't, we can destroy whole worlds. That energy is always present and always in need of tending to it. And then they say, if we
desire this beauty of worlds and then they symbolize her as hathor, as beautiful goddess of love and attraction, we can create beautiful healing, incredible worlds, but we must desire that creativity and that energy. So I think we are awakening to that how strange we are awakening to the spiritual energy through the energy that quantum physics now knows. So I think that's another reason there is another.
And that is that the native peoples around the world, most of them if they weren't just utterly beaten down, have maintained the earlier narrative that the planet knew earlier the we are these powerful creative beings who are immortal and divine.
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And so they are saying they've been singing for the last couple of decades. Now is the that we have to share what we know with those who invaded and took over. At first, of course, the invaders were not interested at all in what the native people had to say. They saw them as savage because they knew
nothing about that kind of spiritual tradition. They saw the most magnificent civilization we've ever had, the Egyptian as barbarians. Can you imagine? The Egyptologist did not have a way at all of seeing that profound spiritual tradition and understanding. So now we are opening ourselves to these native
traditions all around the planet and learning from them. So I think that that's where understanding that we have hurt the land who was always seen as Pachamama, the goddess, the mother nature, the great goddess, our lady and the high middle Ages.
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They understood that nature has laws and principles of beingness that if we understand and if we learn how to relate to her as we would relate to the feminine in our lives, our soul, our land, then we can be good creators. So we are awakening to the harm that we've done to our lady, our own soul, and to the land. And I think that awakening is good. I think there's a lot of misunderstanding and misinterpretation
of it. And also there have been those who've taken over the desire to heal the planet for their own purposes and are actually, as many of the true environmentalists have said, they are making the rich richer and the poor, poorer and destroying the land even further in the process. So we have to be very cautious of the story, not just the story of what are they actually doing.
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So I think that those are at least some of the reasons I have many in that chapter, but I think those are the big reasons. Plus I think this is that we have had enough of destroying our children and seeing these mass murders and the loss that there's the world is empty. There's nothing, there's no meaning.
Children can't be brought up like that. They can't be lost in that kind of negative narrative. And I think that there are so many parents and so many people who have longed from the depths of their being for a meaningful, healthy planet and to have a world in which we want to bring up our children. That has
made a big difference. It may be the greatest difference, this longing on the earth, this drawing to ourselves, this love and healing to the planet may be one of the biggest reasons that so many of us have been doing it since the first wave, since the high Middle Ages. There was that powerful awakening. How do we save our soul, our culture, and the planet? And I think each of these waves has given us
tremendous energy. But I think there are mass killings all the time now. And we can see our children are being destroyed in a number of ways, and not just with the old narrative, because we have yet to make this new narrative clear enough
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And available enough. I had that one powerful vision, the most powerful vision I'd ever had of the light coming to the earth. And the voices said that they had been hovering around our planet for centuries, but they needed that energy of that invitation and longing through the longing to attach that energy to the earth. And I experienced that happening. And I think each of us is an anchor of that energy. When
we open to the light, we become an anchor that that energy goes through us and into the earth. So I think that that longing has responded. In fact, the voice said to me, your planet has called us and we are here, that I think that this is the time in which we must make progress. We must open to this because if we don't, the darkness that has been created with all of these repressions and suppressions of who we really are, we'll destroy the planet.
Julia Marie (13:23):
You know, mentioned native peoples holding their stories until they were guided that it was time to share them with the world. And you talked about the co, I think it's Kogi or Kogi, the Kogi. Yeah, the tribe that's in Columbia Now. I'd heard about them I guess after my awakening, maybe in the nineties or something, but that they were starting to bring their message to the world. And I thought it was fascinating that the core teaching is that thought creates the material world.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (14:06):
And this is so amazing. And Westerners need to get down off their high horse and realize, here are the Kogi people high up in the Sierra mountains never conquered or found by the Spanish invade cookies,to do and invaders. And they knew. They know that thought creates matter. And now quantum physics
knows that. It knows that consciousness is primary. That means it comes before matter, and it is consciousness. It creates matter. Now, the kogi know that they have no books, no books, but the ones who are going to be their shamans are trained for nine years, really intensively trained in the deep meditation and connection connecting to spirit. And then those who are going to be even greater
shamans trained nine more years. And they go way up in the Sierras and they have contact only with the shamans who've trained nine years. And those in the very high Sierras, these shamans, they're alone and they finally, they awaken to spirit.
(15:26):
And Spirit teaches them everything they know. They have no books. And so they know consciousness creates matter, but through no books, thank you, but through spirit. And they also have many of the pieces of evidence necessary that to know that we are destroying the world, that we were at a point that younger brother, they call us and our lack of knowing and lack of consciousness. And of course they
didn't get in touch with us because of our arrogance and our inability to even pay attention to them. What could they possibly know was our attitude. But they lovingly call us younger brother. But they also say that we are, not only are we actually damaging the scaffolding, they call it for consciousness, we're dumbing down the world.
Julia Marie (16:16):
Oh, wow.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (16:17):
Ah, that's scary.
Julia Marie (16:18):
Yeah, it is
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (16:20):
That we're dumbing it down so that there won't be the kind of scaffolding that we need to hold this higher consciousness
Julia Marie (16:29):
That feels true, actually. That's kind of concerning. And it's literally wake up people hurry, please.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (16:37):
Yes. It's that. It's here. We are really powerful beings who have this fiery serpent goddess or the quantum field within us. We are powerful creators. That's what our ancestors wanted us to know. And we're immortal, and we're all a part of this divine creation. Everything is a part of the Big Bang, you might say. And yet we don't know it. We're running around trying to make money, find this position,
that position. Someone once said, it's like a bunch of ill bred teenagers. I mean not trained teenagers.
That's a way of their saying it, the running around, not having any idea that we are powerful creators or we can be as, what was it, Heimer said, now I am deaf, the destroyer of worlds when the atomic bomb was created. Yeah, that still almost makes me ill. Yeah, it's such a, here we use this energy to create something that would destroy the world. And what did we do sort of consciously, unconscious, open.
Heimer realized, I mean, here they were trying to win the war, but at the same time, they had become destroyers of worlds. And now so many people have it. But here is powerful energy that we have within us that we could use to create a destroying bomb or we can use to create worlds equally as powerful as that bomb. And we don't seem to know it. We're running around, not because we have been given the
wrong narrative for decades and for years, for centuries. Yeah,
Julia Marie (18:21):
I was going to say centuries, maybe even, even millennia, actually.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (18:25):
Yes. We'll probably at least know. Well, we know that there were earlier civilizations who did, or cultures who did know this, and their cultures were manifestations of that knowledge. But at least by 621 bc, the Ute agronomist destroyed this mystical knowledge and consciousness of the first temple tradition, the shaman mystics of that tradition. And then there was a rebirth of it in the Jesus hidden
tradition. And then the church, when it took over, it continued the dorono as negation of who we are.
And then it turned Jesus into not hetic, but a God whom we should follow, whom we should obey consciousness outside of us. It never works to project this energy outside of us. It must be within, so that we can use it to create the worlds that we want. And if we don't pay attention, we can destroy the worlds that we might have wanted.
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So it's at least we know historically from 6 21 BCE E in the West that the destruction was conscious. So there was suppression, and then there was a lot of people just repressed it unconsciously because they didn't really know that we'd ever had that ability. But our ancestors myth that you've been very clear.
You are creators and you're immortal. Your consciousness does not die. And we are all divine. We're all a part of this. And the Christians came along after the Egyptians and they divided. This energy was so frightening to think, oh my God, I have the energy to create an atomic weapon I can destroy. I can become death, the destroyer of worlds, or I can create the most loving, beautiful worlds that I can't
even imagine yet. And it was so terrifying. Many, many people, they wanted that energy outside of them. So they separated it. Here was God, here was the devil, and it was outside and it was split in two.
But we have those God and Satanic influence that's in us. And if we separate it and throw it outside, then it's like, oh, we're not so responsible. People will say, well, how can God allow this? How can we allow? This is the,
Julia Marie (20:50):
And that's the key. Yeah, it
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (20:51):
Is the
Julia Marie (20:52):
Key.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (20:53):
Yeah. Yes.
Julia Marie (20:55):
You talked about people running around making money. I feel like humanity is kind of, if I'm looking at the entire human humanity, it's almost as if we're in our rebellious teenager stage where we're experimenting with the drugs and the sex and the rock and roll. And we're not really, we haven't really decided who we're going to be when we grow up, but collectively, we're going to have to make some
hard choices. Here are what do you do with a rebellious teenager? You send 'em to their room, take away their cell phone
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (21:33):
As mothers, we think, how did we handle
Julia Marie (21:37):
That exactly?
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (21:39):
I used to always tried to talk with my son and explain these things to him, but he was also in a world that I hadn't experienced being born at a certain time. There was a different world out there. And I think when he and his friends were young, it's like they looked at it, they weren't thought, I don't want to be like that. But they had to be a little bit rebellious then because they didn't want that world. But trying to
find themselves and find meaning and that kind of thing. I think it's very difficult to be a good parent in a time when we were just saturated with a material worldview. And that is still present. And there's so many things that are just fine to do in the world. They're great to do in the world if we have them in the embrace of meaning and love and purpose and for the whole planet, not just for me.
(22:34):
And that's something that we learned as a teenager, but know when I was growing up, no one talked
about teenagers being rebellious or misbehaving, did they? I mean, and it's almost as though we condone that now. Well, no, there's no reason why at a certain age we should expect certain behavior. I mean, certainly children are going through different developmental stages and we need to understand that. But it doesn't mean that, oh, well, that's why the person's going through it is that here you are at
this stage and these are the things that your brain is developing in this way and that way and so on, to try to know, but not accept that you can just go rogue. They certainly didn't accept it when we were younger, at least from when I was younger. And I think, me neither. You're doing me neither. No, it's that you have a responsibility. Yeah. Now let's talk about this and see where you stand on it.
Julia Marie (23:27):
One day you're going to be out on your own. You need to know how to take care of yourself and be a responsible adult. So pretty much my whole raising was around those kinds of lessons and learning them either the easy way or maybe the not so easy way.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (23:45):
Yep. And there were more responsibilities and more freedom. I have to say the world was different because I could travel across the state and a Greyhound bus on my own at 12. I mean, I would never let my child do that, of course today. And no one worried a bit about me. I had to change. And if I didn't know, there was always an adult who would help me. And no one thought anything about that. I went
off to college on my own. And no one would think about a parent going with you. And nowadays, that's not the case parents are with, and I do understand that because it is a different world. It's not safe anymore. But on the other hand, we were expected you, if you go to college and they are difficult, you figure out how to get everything there and get it settled.
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It was like, it's just like, I remember Joseph Chilton Piercers talking about being a person who was working with the tribe of people who there was this huge opening in the earth, and these little children would run around it. And the person was saying, the Westerner was saying, how can you do that? How can you let those children do that? They could fall in? And the person said, oh, why would he want to do
that? Why would, it was as though there was no way a child would do that, and they didn't. So I don't know how much our expectations determine what our children do, but they were just no, that the child won't fall on that. They never choose to do that. Of course, we want everything for our children. We want the best for them. We want them to know the world. And I sometimes think perhaps my son, I mean, my husband had fought in a revolution and in a country and had been a refugee and came here.
Perhaps he was too much. But on the other hand, I think, no, our children are smart and they need to know, and ultimately they want to know because that determines what they can do in their lives.
Julia Marie (25:38):
So I saw a very familiar teaching in your book, and I say teaching because it was one of the things that I was given as a homework assignment from the people that showed up in my living room. When they woke me up, I was told to go study the lifecycle of the caterpillar. And here I am reading your book, and there's that same analogy of the transformation of the caterpillar to the butterfly. And you even talked
about imaginal cells too. And so from your perspective, what do those imaginal cells represent?
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (26:14):
And I'm so glad you brought that up because that always inspires me. Again, I can look at the dark and think, oh, and get uneasy and hopeful again, but uneasy. And here, our imaginal selves, I was in the uk, Kim, Kimberly and I, Kimberly of the complex center were with our friend Ann Baring, and she had a book in which that talked about imaginal cells. And I was absolutely blown out of my mind because I just
had that intuition that existed. But it's just beautiful because here we are as a caterpillar. Consuming, consuming, consuming. Exactly. Seems like without a thought in our minds of what we're and here is, however, these cells, imaginal cells, I love that they're called, that they sort of move into this caterpillar's body while it's consuming. And at first, all these little consuming cells want to destroy it.
Who are you?
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What are you saying? That's nonsense. But more and more, once they come, they start multiplying, mul, multiply. It's like, well, it isn't just like what happens is a new field of energy with different frequencies allow these imaginal cells to come in with a completely different blueprint. And so more and more, they
begin to form clusters. And so they're not fought against anymore because now they are forming an entirely new being. That's I think is what's happening to us is that we long for this. We have drawn to us actually these imaginal cells that are working in our bodies, and they're now clusters, and they're actually, I think those of us who kind of open up to that energy field, perhaps it can work faster. We hope so, and we want to ignite it, that field and others. And I know that the merchants of light through
the visions, they are a symbol of that new energy field of imaginal cells that is moving through the planet because we've asked them that light is filled with imaginal cells that's flooding and penetrating our bodies and the earth.
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So that, I think this is perhaps the major reason we can make it because we as creators are through with that old narrative, and we're opening ourselves to these imaginal selves, which beyond our intelligence is working within us and transforming our bodies. Now the merchants of light, I think this energy field
allows people to be born who are already of a higher frequency consciousness. It allows us to achieve that more easily, and it allows us to do the work for the healing of soul, culture and planet. So I think that's probably the major reason that I would believe, I hope I'm told by spirit that we will make it. My husband was certainly an optimist. The old joke really applied to him that a man's falling from a 10 story
building, and when he passes the second floor, he's saying, so far so good.
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And that was truly my husband. But his visions were optimistic because he said, this light, these spirits do not come until they know we're going to be successful. Why would they know when we are going, we are ready and that we will succeed in this fifth wave is going to, it eventually just envelope the earth. I don't know how long it will take. I don't know what we have to go through. But he was so optimistic. He
said, remember, they don't come until they know. First of all, we invite them, we're ready, and that it can take place. It will be fulfilled. So I have to try to remember that. So thank you for bringing up the imaginal cells.
Julia Marie (30:18):
Well, I did ask my unseen teachers why did I have to go through the process that I had to go through because not only was it physically, but also mentally and spiritually traumatic and painful, and why wasn't I born awake? Why couldn't I just be awake my whole life? And they told me that it had to happen in that way because to awaken me before it was even possible, or even with the remotest potential that I could do what I came here to do would not be compassionate. They left me asleep until
right after the harmonic convergence. That's when I first felt the leading. So it was 1990 or 91 when all of this happened for me. And until then, I was just very astute and I could kind of sometimes figure out what people were thinking. But I didn't have the connection that I do now. But that was the answer they gave me. And so that kind of resonates harmonically with the division your husband had. They don't
come unless there's a possibility for them to achieve their goal.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (31:30):
That's right. Yeah. That's interesting though that it wouldn't be compassionate because we have to have a certain degree of heart consciousness to be able perhaps to hold this knowledge of what's going on the earth.
Julia Marie (31:45):
No, my sense when they said that to me was that if they'd been awake and aware that I had a mission and a purpose that had to do with helping raise the consciousness on the planet, but was living through that as a teen or a woman in her early twenties, that I might not have stuck around.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (32:04):
I see. Yeah. Woo. Yeah.
Julia Marie (32:07):
Because I mean, if I looked around at my world, I would say, how is this ever going to be possible?
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (32:15):
Yeah, yeah. And yeah, we're kind of being born into this world with the worldview that we're nothing. We all do kind of feel like we're nothing when we start out where we can have an egotistical view. But that's based on being told you're nothing. We don't need ego if we know who we are. I mean, we don't need that. Egotism is always rooted in lack, I think, of understanding and the need to be somebody to be
something. But I just think it, it's hard for us to realize what an insanity we've been born into. So yeah, really, I can see that as compassionate to wait until you would have the ability to live with that.
Julia Marie (33:05):
So we've come to the end of our time, but before we close, can you tell people how they can find your book or connect with you?
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (33:13):
Well, the books are sold at any places where books are sold and eBooks as well. Or they can be ordered from the com lae center, K A M L A K. And if you sign up for a newsletter, you'll receive a chapter of Merchants of Light. And I especially wanted people to get the chapter on the high Middle Ages. That's the one, because it really is that first awakening, great awakening of who we really are. And you can go
to the website though. I have articles and videos, many from the first book of the Miracle of Death. There is nothing but life. I have also webinars and different types of programs on that website. But the books can be ordered anywhere actually from any place. It sells books.
Julia Marie (34:06):
Well, I'm going to say it again. It belongs in everybody's library. Anybody who is curious about the arc of our history as far as our consciousness and our awakening as a collective, this, it's an invaluable resource. This is a labor of love that took you years to produce
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (34:27):
Did.
Julia Marie (34:28):
It did. And I've already read it twice. And every time I read it, I get more out of it. So I, I'm just going to continue to encourage people to go buy this book. You won't regret it.
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Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (34:41):
Thank you. And when I read it, I am encouraged again by the things that I discovered and that were determined to be discovered that are in the book, because you can't remember all of it. And when I read it again, I'm, I am in inspired again.
Julia Marie (34:58):
And we can all use a little reminder from time to time of who we are and why we've come. And
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (35:04):
Probably most of the time
Julia Marie (35:05):
We can use does it a beautiful job. It really does.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (35:09):
God, I'm pleased.
Julia Marie (35:10):
Well, as always, I learned so much from you today, and I just want to thank you for spending so much time with us here on Evolving Humans.
Betty J. Kovacs, PhD (35:19):
Oh, it's been my honor, Julie. Of course, I'm happy to do it.
Julia Marie (35:24):
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