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Episode 256 | Eddie Reyes from Me, founding member of Taking Back Sunday

• Devon Neisen • Season 4 • Episode 57

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On this episode of The Imperfect Dads Podcast, Devon is joined by Eddie Reyes, founding member of Taking Back Sunday and current member of Me.

Eddie opens up about fatherhood, family, and rediscovering his love for music after stepping away to focus on himself and the people who mattered most. He shares what it's like raising a family where ADHD is a daily reality, why honest communication with his kids has become one of his greatest parenting tools, and how being a Gen X dad has shaped his approach to raising children.

They also talk about the humbling experience of watching his son become the better guitar player, why his kids encouraged him to start making music again, the story behind forming Me, and how he's learned to create music simply because it makes him happy—not because of outside expectations. Throughout the conversation, Eddie reflects on the importance of listening to your kids and allowing them to help shape your perspective as a parent.

Whether you're a parent, musician, longtime Taking Back Sunday fan, or someone navigating the balance between family, creativity, and personal growth, this episode offers an honest and encouraging conversation.

In this episode:

  • Eddie Reyes on life after Taking Back Sunday
  • The story behind Me
  • Fatherhood and raising kids with ADHD
  • Honest communication with your children
  • Parenting as a Gen X dad
  • Watching your kids surpass you
  • Why Eddie stepped away from music
  • His kids encouraging him to play again
  • Making music for happiness instead of expectations
  • Staying authentic as an artist and a father
  • Why listening to your kids matters

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SPEAKER_00

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SPEAKER_02

Welcome to the Imperfect Dance Podcast. This is your host, Devon. We believe dads care deeply about their family and kids, but they don't always have a space to discuss what their life looks like. Our podcast has a space for dads to discuss the ups and downs of fatherhood and how they feel like they're holding it together, or how they're not. Thank you for joining us for this episode. This podcast is part of the Never A Face Network. Make sure to follow him on Instagram or go to the website NeverAffacedNetwork.com. On this episode, we have an Eddie Ray's from the band Me, and Eddie is a founding member of Taken Back Sunday. We talked about living in a house filled with ADHD, communicating with honesty with his kids, being a Gen X parent, his son being better at guitar than him, stepping away from music to focus on himself and family, his kids telling him to play music again, making the band meet with Mark, who is also from Taking Back Sunday, focusing on being happy to make music again, and staying true to himself and why it's important to listen to your kids. Just like one more thing. Oh, my bad. So hey Eddie, welcome to an episode of the Imperfect Dads Podcast. I really appreciate you taking the time to do a call.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I'm I'm I'm a pretty imperfect dad. You know?

SPEAKER_02

Is that what you said, Imperfect Podcast? Then you're you're in the right place. Imperfect Imperfect Dads, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03

It's too it's to be like, listen, man. Yeah, dude, I'm I'm a total mush. I can talk all the shit I want in the world, but my kids uh they pretty much uh tell me what to do. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Well that's let's start with a really simple first question, which is how many kids you got, ages, all that good stuff.

SPEAKER_03

I have two, uh 18 and 20. So they're not really kids, they're young adults, but they like to act like kids still.

SPEAKER_02

How's it feel to have like a 20-year-old? Because I I have three kids. They're like 10, 8, and almost five. So the thought of them being 20 is insane. Yeah. Um she's awesome.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, she's in her in her little, I call it her little apartment, her room. So uh she's in college right now. She goes to uh Bowling Green. My son has decided to take a year off because he wants to tour with me and guitar tech and stuff like that. Because my son's a musician also, and he's a way better guitar player than me. I'll even admit that. Um, so other than that, I mean, my daughter's 20, and she's just uh super talented artist. Uh she's a Schoolastics Gold Award-winning artist for Ohio. She's uh won so many awards, she's uh she gets hired to do custom work. So she's an artist. My son's a musician. And uh I didn't push any of that artist. I think it's in the DNA. You know, a lot of my family members are artists and uh clothes designers and all this, and her mother's side of the family is the same thing, so it's like natural that it was, you know, that they grew up that way, you know, being into the arts and you know, autism and ADHD and all that stuff. We're a family of AUDHD people. So, you know, you can figure out the chaos here.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, man. I just imagine there's like a pile in your house, and you're like, is that my pile? Is it the kid's pile? Was I what was that? What did I forget to finish in this room?

SPEAKER_03

Or was it me or was it a kid? There is neat piles in every corner. And like my kids now, I've trained them to put their neat piles in their area, you know, because uh yeah, there's piles everywhere. But I mean, you know, we it's a functioning family, you know. Uh just uh a lot of uh a lot of different ways of talking to each other and uh working things out. I had to learn a lot with my disorders. I went to a lot of uh uh places to learn how to because I don't want to be on meds for it, because I don't like how the meds make me feel. So and it is just I learn how to speak to my children a certain way because I know what way they understand. So that's how we communicate in this house, you know. I I don't there's not a lot of yelling, it's just a lot of talking, a lot of love, a lot of being honest. Uh the big word here in the Reyes household is honesty is policy, no matter what. So and that's how it is. That's how I raise these two young adults that are cooler than me.

SPEAKER_02

It it does take a lot of communicating. Like uh even though my kids are younger, I feel like already I'm trying to figure out how to be like mentally present where if they ask me a question to give them like a real answer in a way in which they can understand it. But it it takes it just takes time to do it and to do it right.

SPEAKER_03

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And you know, they're like I I I like to explain to people that like I grew up differently. I'm a Gen Xer, you know. I I grew up differently in New York, like I pretty much raised myself, you know. I thought my parents were terrible parents, they were amazing parents. They made me who I am today, but they had to work. You know, they came over here from Columbia in the 60s and busted their butts, building airplanes and all that stuff. And uh so they put that um, even though they weren't there for us a lot, they raised us uh so well that we could take care of ourselves. And that's kind of like the way I kind of raised my kids. I came around I kind of raised them with the Gen X or attitude. So they're like straight up punk rock hardcore kids, you know, like they're like they're tough and they're smart, they're wise. I teach them to be a good person, have humility, have empathy, you know, it's okay to have accountability, all that stuff. You know, I do my best to um, you know, teach them how to be good people, that's all. But I also teach them not to take shit from nobody. So that's the New York side, living in Ohio.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, but uh yeah, it's an interesting balance to like because you want your kids to be nice and kind, but you don't want them to be walked over and like if someone's walking over you, you you gotta it's it's an interesting difference because like yeah, you can be nice and be walked over, but like you can't you get to teach your kids how to do that well is really interesting.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

How do you think you got your son like interested in guitar? Did you just like leave guitars out? Do you think it's because he saw you playing guitar all the time?

SPEAKER_03

Uh yeah. Basically, I told him, I said, you know, when you're uh when your dad's not around no more, all this stuff is yours. So feel free to use it. Oh, right. Learn it. Learn it if you want. And that's it. I didn't even give my son a guitar lesson, not one, because I don't want to put that pressure on him, you know. I guess my dad raised me that way. He didn't want to put pressure on me. He was like, all right, you want to build airplanes, you want to go play in a band, you want to go work in a deli, you do what you do, just be a good person. So that's how I raised him. You do what you do, no pressure. Just don't do drugs and be a good person. That's all. You know, my son is like, he picked a guitar up and I heard him in his room, and I opened the door once in a while and be like, dude, that's a sick riff. Oh, thanks. And he just got better and better and better. And and now he uh he played circles around me. Like he plays back the songs that we wrote for this album to me like it's nothing. And I go, Oh, great. Yeah, that sounds a little better than the way I do it. But uh, you know, and that's just it, you know.

SPEAKER_02

So he he just like plays by ear. He just like plays by ear, hears it once, and then it's just like, oh, I got this, and you're like, God, this took me hours to write, man. Come on.

SPEAKER_03

I think all these years I couldn't explain why I can't read or write music, and I've tried, but I can't. My brain won't compute it. And I have a problem with the click also, and we figured it out that I have a tick in my head constantly. Yes, and I have melodies running through my head all the time. So instead of trying to play to uh let's say in the studio, you have to play to this, you know, whatever. Our new producer figured out a way to you know, to hear the click in my head, I guess. And for years I got picked on for that, you know, oh you're not a good musician, oh you can't do that. But you know, seven years ago I got diagnosed and I was like, wow, that was my problem the whole time. So uh he's the same way, he just learned how to play by like we have we know what to play in our heads and we know how to play our instruments, but we just don't I can't write it down. I can't tell you what I'm playing. It's weird, man. I've always been like that. That's just how I write. And I see that my son has the same gift. To me, it's a gift. My music teacher said it was a gift. You know, I failed music twice, and my teacher hated failing me. Yeah, yeah. And uh he and then but back then in the 80s they didn't know, you know. So, but now I see how my son does it, and he's just like he just picks up. I mean, he can play any death phone song like it. And it's just and he writes his own riffs, and they're just so sick. And he does all these crazy tunings, and I'm like, Jesus, man, teaching. But yeah, I other than that, I mean, that's how he got into it, basically. That and that's how my kids got into it. They went to like uh driving them to school early in the morning, blasting ghosts, or or or like because I'm also a big metal head. Like I listened to like yeah, when I grew up in the 80s going to shows, uh, a buddy of mine found a ticket of our first show, going together, and uh it was like 85. We went to a show, we went to go see like Voivod, Bad Brains, all that shit. Um, but like I grew up with like um like all that metal and and and you know, black metal and all that stuff. So where the hell was I trying to connect this to? My brain doesn't work anymore, dude. Listen, ADHD. You already said you have ADHD. You're good, you're good. So it's so bad. Dude, dude, it's so bad. I'm like a mess, dude. I start like 50 projects. I'll start writing like three songs at once and then go shit, you know. But uh okay, next question.

SPEAKER_02

That's real. That's real. No, I I feel the same with like music stuff. I've played guitar for like 25 years or so, but the second you put a click track on, I like just freeze. I'm just like, I can't, what do I do? Like, and then like I dig to get super insecure, which I always tell myself, like, oh, you just need to practice more. And I'm like, maybe it's just not how your brain works, man. And that's an interesting journey to figure out how to accept that.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I mean, some of the greatest guitarists in the world didn't read or write music. Eddie Van Halen, Jimi Hendrix, uh, uh Kirk Cobain didn't read or write music, you know, like and to me that's punk rock as fuck. You know, that's hardcore. That's that's learning in your basement and uh listening to Agnostic Front Records and all uh D'Agnassi records and Fugazi records, just that's what taught me. That taught me how to play guitar. You know, quicksand, early quicksand. I have quicksand seven issues that people don't even have. Uh just that stuff, man. It was just it was it taught me how to be a musician without having to worry about being musicians. But then when you're around people who are snooty, I went to school for music, it's the worst, you know? And yeah, I know I was in a band with some of them. But uh it uh and it's funny because you write a lot of the music and you still have people telling you that they could do better than you or whatever. So you know, I I don't want to make my kids feel that way ever. And I told my son, I was like, you learn to play guitar the way you want to play, and don't let anyone tell you you're doing it wrong, okay? Yeah, and that's it, that's how I taught them.

SPEAKER_02

That's cool. That's cool. But you do like, um that's awesome to hear though, because that looks like you took something that was a point of shame for you, basically, and we're like, not my kids. They're not gonna feel this, they're not gonna feel this from me. I'm gonna tell them that who they are is good because they are.

SPEAKER_03

And that's the beauty with us today, like with all the all the the the science behind neurodivergency and all that, like they're figuring out so many things. Addiction. I was a drunk. Yeah for honestly, I didn't become a drunk until I was like 38. So I was drunk from 38 until like, well, I'm I'm almost six years sober, let's say. So like 38 until like my late 40. I was a drunk, man, you know? And uh yeah, so I didn't know fuck. I don't even know how to explain this. Yeah. Anyway, you know what I mean. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

I don't know how to explain that. Maybe, maybe this will help you. I've had some people on here tell me if they've had like bipolar disorder, a late diagnosis or radius or something like that. They they finally have language. They finally have language for something they've felt their entire life. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And neurotypical people don't get that and they don't understand you. And I was in band, I was in bands with neurotypical people who didn't understand me, so I come off too emotional and too angry because I can't explain things and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And that's why things fall apart in bands, you know. But now I know. So now I know how to control my this and that. And and I teach my son that because he has the exact same disorder. And I'm like, you know, when you get frustrated, there's people around you that don't understand. You know, it's yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't even know where I'm going with this, but you know what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02

No, yeah. No, it's the frustration though, of like if uh the amount of work that still has yet to be done for accepting of mental health stuff. Because like, if I am about to have a cold or something like that, you know, I've got drainage, sore throat, all that, I take NyQuil and I go to bed. If I'm bristled, everything is making me angry and I'm overstimulated. That like, how do you how do how the hell do you communicate that? That's the problem. It's like it's still something that you need to do, something to come down to regulate yourself. But like, I mean, most of what I do with my kids nowadays is like teaching them how to regul themselves, how to understand whenever they aren't regulated, so then they can go back to being the person that's like more in line with who they are.

SPEAKER_03

I think a lot of bands would work out more and not fall apart or people quit, yada yada. If they start learning all these things and start learning different uh the disorders, and it sounds it's probably annoying and cliche and boring to people now, who I'm autistic, but it's a real thing. And if they learn that, man, bands will probably work out even better, you know. So, yeah, anyway, teaching my son that and uh dropping them off at school in the morning blasting freaking the craziest shit in the world because you know I want to expose my kids to good music. That's the one thing I do. I play a lot of good old school hip hop, and so that influenced them, and they grew up like Gen Xers, but Gen Zers, you know, like you know, I don't know. I didn't see my son scene keeping the hardcore scene alive and then making old people like me come back to it. It's fun, you know, it's cool to see that, you know? Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02

It is, yeah. Now and it's uh I talked to um Andy Jackson from Hot Rod Circuit, and he was talking about how like getting the band back together. And he's an awesome dude, but like they they seem almost in disbelief because uh yeah, they'll like play a show now, and it's like the people who are about their age and their kids, and they're like, whoa, wait a second. I didn't know our music could reach this many people. Like they expect it to reach people their age and maybe some wiggle room, not like a generational band. So that's yeah, that's gotta be awesome to get older and go and play shows and see those that level. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Oh yeah, it's like it's like when you were growing up and then you see the old uh old school rock dudes coming back and make comebacks because it's like our generation was like, you know? Yeah. So I kind of feel I mean it makes me feel really old, but uh it's cool seeing my kids' generation keep the scene alive because it's not millennials, it's not it's not uh uh well Gen X is our hardcore punk rock. Uh but it's not um it's not that it's the Gen Zers that are keeping alive. So for me, it's important to see my son the way he plays guitar. Um, it's like a hope. You know, I want to be that old guy standing on side stage watching, you know, that scene what I came from, what I am, what I am, to seeing it blow up again is just awesome. And uh with the new band me, seeing these Gen Zers like all into it. Like I went to a family party out in PA the other day, and their little cousins who are young wanted to meet me because not because I was just the guy, you know, who started Tingamak Sunny and was a big part of Ting McSunny, but yeah, they were more into the me thing. And I was like, yes, yes, you know, so I took pictures of them and it was cool.

SPEAKER_02

That's cool. Well, I mean, like it sounds like you're also like in a new chapter of your life in which you're sober, you're understanding who you are and how you operate more. So like you having a band now with with that energy is like, dude, how do I let's let's do this, let's go all in on this because like it's probably more true to who you are.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. I mean, if you want to make this deep, we can get deep, but Yeah, man, if you want, yeah. You know, it took me nine years to walk away from music, to walk away from everything to get sober. You know, I went to five, five, four, four rehabs and uh one mental institution to to fix me. That's I think it's a big part of naming the band, me. You know, Mark and Ed, we've both been through the same thing. So we named the band perfectly, me. I found this pen right before I started talking to Mark. It's so weird. And my kids and my wife always say, You have this strange power to predict things. Like I can go into rooms and read people right away. I already know who I don't like, who I like, who I'm gonna be cool with, who I don't give two craps about. You know what I mean? So it's like I I so anyway, back to what I was saying. Um, I I needed to fix my head to be a dad, to be a father.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And I was drunk. I was doing uh uh popping pills, uh being selfish and not seeing my kids grow, but at the same time not realizing that I was doing all that stuff because I was depressed and dying inside because I wasn't getting along with the people in the band. I didn't really like them anymore, and I was missing my kids grow and my marriage fell apart, you know, so many things. So I had to get away from all that just to be a good dad, and and I I I had to dedicate the last nine years of my life raising my kids because you know they lived with me most of the time. And their mother does a great job, but she's dealing with her own stuff, and um so it was just important to me to be a good dad because I saw too many horror stories, and I I I said, you know what, fame, money, all that crap doesn't mean nothing to me. It doesn't mean anything, you know, and I think as a musician to talk to other musicians who understand that it's it's it's it's an important thing. Like when you're a musician, you don't realize it that you know until it's too late. So I don't know. I I think that's since we're on the dad podcast, I just throw that in there. You know, uh it was hard. But now I'm ready. But now I'm ready. Now I'm ready to go back. Old in my 50s. Uh uh, I still think I'm cool, you know, and uh sometimes you know they have to redress me, you know, when I walk out of my room. Uh but you know, I'm not as fast and uh nimble as I used to be, but I'm gonna go up there and have fun, man. And my son and my daughter were a big part of me getting back to music too. They were like that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

You know, you sit around, go, go do it, go do who you love. Like we'll support you, we'll be behind you. And and uh I didn't realize my son was talking to Mark. Um not behind my back, but they were friends, they stayed uh close. He calls him Uncle Marky and he was like, Yo, you should have Mark a call. And I was like, nah. And then it took time, but then I got in touch with Mark and it just happened. And now we're here on the phone uh video chat doing an interview that I'm probably destroying right now.

SPEAKER_02

Probably ruining all your I extend no, it's flow, man. It's flow. You're good, you're good, you're good. It's I'm a flower. I don't follow rules. Dude, you're good, man. I'm with you. I'm following, I'm following you. I got you. Um here's here's the question I have for you. Um, it whenever you step away from something because you feel like it's going like you stepped away from music because you thought it was gonna make you miss out on things that are important to you. Whenever you step back into it, how hesitant were you because you thought you'd go right back to the person who you were nine years ago? How how was it to go like to explore that part of your identity again whenever I turned into a version of yourself, you're like, I don't like this person. I need to not be this person.

SPEAKER_03

Oh man, uh well, I was trying to uh take some time to fix myself, but I guess other people didn't want that, you know, so I got left on the side of the road and um I had to rethink my life because I was gonna leave anyway. So it was kind of like it all happened at the right time, I guess. And uh like I said, it just it's it's it's one thing to create beautiful music, but it's another thing to create a beautiful life that you have to guide and and and and and teach and it's your fault they're there. You know what I mean? So it's just it's just it's the number one priority, right? I mean, am I answering that question right? It's your yeah, it's no yeah. They come first, they come first. I I had to make I had yeah, it was hard. And then going back to it, like, you know, and I also get a taste of that world and I didn't like it. You know, I came from a hardcore scene that was backyards, small venues, basements, and when the band blew up and uh it was fun for a little bit, it stopped being fun because you see the greed, you see how people change, and and and that was another big part of me falling apart. So I think it was all the right time because if I didn't walk away, I'd probably be dead right now. You know?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So and it's har but I'm going back to it. And I'm going back to it with a more wiser, older mind and uh and um focus more on the music instead of uh uh trying to numb the pain when people didn't want to listen to you, you know? So that's what's important, I guess.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yeah, man. And and it sounds like you also were able to uh if whenever the band blew up and everything, some of like your internal turmoil was like, I'm not here for my kids, you just spit nine years being there for your kids. So you probably also feel like you did right by your kids. And if they're like, dude, dad, go do music again. Go do it's such a different energy and such a different world.

SPEAKER_03

It is, it is, it is. I'm so pumped, but then like there's days where I'm like stretching and doing my little workouts and I can barely bend my knees. I'm like, God damn it, why can this happen five years ago? But uh uh, but yeah, that's how it went down, exactly how you said it, you know. They're older now and they're like, get back to work, go back to doing what you'd love. We support you and we love you, and and it it helps, you know. Yeah. And that's that's that's the most important thing. Is the only reason why I went back to this is not for fame or money. I went back to it because I love playing music, I love seeing the crowd. I feed off of that. That's that's my life. I'm a punk rock hardcore kid from Long Island, you know. I I I'm used to playing bass mix in backyards, and I just missed that. And now that I was able to fix a lot of stuff in my life and was able to see my kids grow and be there for them, um, yeah, you're right. You know, like what you said, I'll I'm ready to get back out there. My kids will like get out there, dad. And to have them by me as adults helps me so much.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, tell me about like do you guys have like an upcoming tour planned or anything like that? I know you said your son's gonna take a year off, figuring out college, all that stuff, and he's gonna come out with you.

SPEAKER_03

Uh that's all in the works. That's all in the works. Okay. Um I know Casey has uh is working on that. We we've yet to uh find uh uh a booking agent, but we are talking to someone.

SPEAKER_02

Um Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_03

But I I'm hoping that we start touring probably late October probably late fall, uh spring, you know. But we're gonna start playing some shows, like uh whoever will have us, um, but I know in uh July, uh in July, I think the 25th, I believe, or the 24th, no, the 25th. We're playing our our first show in my hometown of uh Amityville, Long Island, and um it's gonna be nerve-wracking because we've only rehearsed like three times, but we know the songs, you know, when you drill them in your head. Um but I'm just nervous because it's nervous going back out there. Like I did start a band. Like when I left, uh the whole Thing Mac Sunny thing fell apart in 2017. I did that whole panic thing and I started a band right away, you know, and I shouldn't have. And I I tried and we did one tour and it just didn't work out. And I I walked away from it, and they're good friends of mine. So I did stay away from music for a long time. So now I really truly feel like I'm ready, you know. It's just uh hopefully we'll start playing shows. So we have shows in July. Hopefully we work on some for September. But I I like to get working because I don't want I don't want people to forget us, but I know Case, our manager, has a great plan along with the syndicate who works with us. And um I'm just anxious, you know?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03

54 is coming around the corner, you know, and I'm not uh every year for me is like uh-oh, you know, so I'd like to get on the road as soon as possible. But hopefully, yeah, we'll be touring and playing shows soon.

SPEAKER_02

Nice. Have you played shows much since being sober? Because I feel like a lot of people will drink, medicate in some way to be ready to go play a show. Have you played many shows while sober?

SPEAKER_03

I think when uh 2019, 2020 is when I stopped uh bully, but I was sober going into that band. I started right away, but then yeah, it did make me relapse a little bit. So that worried me. That worried me a lot. And then uh I a local band here in town, a bunch of close friends of mine, we started this little like tool-ish kind of like band, and it was fun, and we played bars and we played small uh like skate parks and and it was just for fun and it was great, and that helped me. But then that ended like two, you know, a year ago, two years ago, and um, but I feel like that helped me get ready, I think, a little bit. You know, not that I think that I was gonna be doing this, but yeah, um, you know, yeah. You know, I'm just I'm so antsy, dude. I want to play. I mean, I don't know how good we're gonna be live. We can be terrible live. It doesn't I don't think the thing the whole thing about this band is that we don't care. We there's no pressure, there's no one looking over your shoulder, there's no one telling you what to do. You know There's no one you know what I mean? There's no one trying to be better than you. We we truly just wanna be a respectful band that respects each other, takes everyone's art, and figures out how to put it together and just love each other, man, like adults. We're all adults now, man. That shit's old news, you know. Like I'm adults now, we're grown-ups, you know. I'm in my 50s. I can give two. Can I curse?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, you can curse.

SPEAKER_03

I can give two, let's put it this way. I can give two fucks what any of those people think of me now. Ex-bandmates, whatever, whoever didn't want to support me or like me. Yeah, I can't I don't care. And that's the beauty of this band is that we don't care what people think of us. We don't care. If you like us, come see us. If you don't, that's all good. That's the point of our band is that we just want to be good guys. Yeah. We're too old. We don't care about being number one. I don't want to write the best album in the world. We just want to put good music out and have fun playing shows again. That's it.

SPEAKER_02

It's not that hard. Yeah. And well, also, like, I feel like whenever playing music going to shows as like a teenager, it was always about connection, right? It was always about feeling connected to people in the band you're with, the crowds you're with, and all that. It's it's possible for that to get lost a little bit. So, yeah, I mean, if you and Mark can now just have a band in which like you make the music you want to make, do the way you want to do it, and write lyrics or do whatever the way you want to do it, and then go play with the people who want to show up and see it, that's good, that's a good energy to be around.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, that's all I want. That's all I care. I mean, do you know how many people are gonna talk crap on us? You know, you know how many people are gonna put us down. You know how many people are gonna hold up stupid signs at our shows, and I'm gonna be like, hey, thanks for buying a ticket, bro. Like, I appreciate you. Thank you. Yeah, you know, like I I don't care. I genuinely do I raised two kids. I got sober and raised two kids. Not that their mother wasn't alive, she helped me too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm saying on my behalf, on my behalf, I raised two kids. There's nothing you could say putting me down musically or whatever. There's nothing you can say that's gonna hurt my feelings to put me down. So, yeah, you know, go have a cup of coffee and enjoy your day and go hate on the world another on your own. You know what I mean? So that's to me, that's the attitude with this band. And me and Mark, you know, there's just something different about Mark. You know, we argue like brothers, you know, and we get into fucking fights, you know, we're throwing shit and yelling, but then we come back and I get out and we make up, and that's it. He's my brother. That's how brothers are. We also have a way of writing together, and then Mike came along, and Mike is just like instantly like somebody I knew all my life. That's cool. And the guy shares the same birthday, and we have the same character. Yeah. And Mike finishes my melodies already in his head, and I already know what he's gonna do. You know what I mean? So the three of us, it's working out, and then we added Neil, our our friend who has no choice. We forced him to play bass. And he's like, I own a business. We're like, we don't care. So he's on, he's gonna be playing with us. And Neil Amarudin is probably one of the best people you'll ever meet, honestly. And that's what I want. I want to be surrounded by people I love, who I trust, who don't make me feel like I'm doing something wrong, who don't make me feel like they're better than me. And that's a beautiful thing, and I think that's why we wrote the record that we wrote.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Because there's no bullshit, there's no overthinking. There's no there's no there's no putting anyone down. That's bullshit. Yeah. That's bullshit. Everybody has art, everybody has opinions, everybody's talented. So, and that's my attitude, and that's our attitude, and I think it we're gonna have fun with it. As many as long as I last. I keep Mark is like, we're gonna squeeze one more record out of you. I was like, uh, okay. Okay. I can do one. My son's like, stop being a wimp. You're gonna do one more record. So, you know, we'll see. We'll see how it goes. Yeah. They make fun of me all the time. I said, guys, if you have to wheel me out in a wheelchair and lower the mic a little bit, I'll do it.

SPEAKER_02

That's um that's my okay. Now we know you're bringing your son on tour with you, so he can wheel you out in the wheelchair, then play the guitar parts behind you. That's what's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_03

Or really, he's behind me playing the guitar parts, and I'm just air guitar playing, you know. No, uh that's always the joke with us. Um, but that's the whole thing about me. Cool, you know, we don't there's no pressure. And that's I think that's why the and I've always been that way. That was my biggest argument with ex-bandmates, and not that I I uh have any uh uh bad feelings about other other ex-mates because I love a lot of my ex-bandmates. I'm so I'm doing a reunion show with one of my old hardcore bands that was popular here in New York. Um, we're doing a reunion show with this Banklason Majority uh August 28th at Long Island. So all my old ex-bandmates, we get together and do it.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I'm not talking about the band before this one. I'm just saying it just feels good to be in a band with um you know, and we're not perfect. No one's perfect, but it just feels good to be in a band with people who uh who appreciate you and who respect you and and there's no pressure, and we're just having fun, man. And we're yeah, and that and it I I think I hopefully think, and uh I I'm not a cocky person, uh, you know, like I'm I'm still that kid from New York that grew up jumping on the train, going to shows, and I'll always be a hardcore kid. So I never let that fame and shit get to my ego like you know, people do. Um so like I said, it it's just this time it's it's it shows in the music.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And um it just feels good again. It feels fun again. Hell yeah. And I I can't wait to play shows. I honestly can't wait to play shows. I mean I I'm not saying we're gonna be Dylan Jack's gate plan, they go out there and destroy the fucking place and throw the best show in the world because they're one of the best bands ever. Love that band. I just made a whole playlist for my wife. Uh but uh but we're still gonna go out there and have fun, and it'd be good to have people sing back at us, you know, and it's just gonna feel dumb again, man. I just man, I just want to love. There's no I got your pressure, you know. So yeah. Yeah.

unknown

I do.

SPEAKER_03

I hope that answers your question.

SPEAKER_02

It does. No, man, I I think um life is complicated and it's messy, and like I I think at some point in time you just want to simplify things. And like if your simplification of things right now is like you're with people you love, you're making music you love, and you're having a good time doing it, and you're bringing along your family with it, literally with your son coming on tour with you. Hell yeah, man. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I and not to not to take away from my past uh No, yeah, yeah. I like to say I like to say I have ladders in my stare of life, in my past ladder, the one before this one. Uh, I love that. I still love that. I I'm still proud of what I did. I created something beautiful that created uh I didn't I wouldn't say I created a genre, but I helped push a genre and uh with a bunch of other old farts that were a big part of creating this scene that everyone's into now. But I I still love that stuff. I'm still proud of it. I mean, Jesus Christ, look, you know, like I have but this is a new, this is my new ladder. Yeah, because I'm older. So for me, it's like a new project, but almost like uh it's almost like wow man, it's so it just flows great. Yeah, I I can't explain it. It just there's no uh concern. I don't have any concern. I don't, you know, we put out a good record, we wrote music we wanted to write, and we're having fun. Yeah, it's a little stressful, you know. Of course, you don't know if anyone's gonna like us, you know.

SPEAKER_02

I mean it's one of those things, you know. Yes, I think good art perfectly reflects who you were in that exact moment whenever you wrote the song, whenever you performed it. And it sounds like that's what you're doing right now is you and the guys, you're making music that reflects where you guys are at this point in time. So be proud of it, because that's hard to do.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, it is hard to do. And in an old age, no, I'm not old old, but I'm just saying, like when you're older, sometimes you lose that, you know. Like, I'm not gonna lie to you, dude. I'm okay with working at a deli and uh coming home and cooking dinner and waiting for my kids to come by. You know what I mean? So yeah, yeah, I do. Well, so for me, it's just exciting to um yeah. Sorry, I don't mean to want off the question.

SPEAKER_02

You're good. Okay. I know so I'm gonna ask you five questions to wrap up. That's right. So, you know, it's just gonna be five questions. It'll be fun. They're on rapid fire. You got time to think about them. Okay, so first question is backup names for your kids. Is there anything you guys almost named your kids? Like, can you remember like if it wasn't Casey, was it gonna be something else? Something like that. Yes.

SPEAKER_03

Yes. Uh my daughter was almost Roxy Hart. That's awesome. But instead she ended up being Mazzy Moon. Okay. Her full name is her full name is Mazarine, which means beautiful butterfly. Oh, that's beautiful. And so it's Masarine. But we go I wanted to I I I love Mazzy Starr. Like I have all Mazzy Starr's uh all their records. And um, so I've always wanted to name my daughter Mazzy. So that was also on the list. Like those two were fighting each other, and me and my wife at the time, my ex-wife, who um we were like, okay, Mazzy it is, and then we can't name her Mazzy. What's her middle name? And I was like, We'll name her Moon instead of Star. So Mazzy Moon. Yeah, and then my son, my funny story about my son, yeah, his name is Jonas, Jonas, or the proper way of saying it is Jonas, but everyone just says Jonas. Um so with him, it was either gonna be Max, Maximus, or Max, or uh, or Jonas. So we were having this argument, and we were living in LA at the time. So we went to go get do the whole video of the child what with sex and oh not we knew the sex, but what he was gonna look like. Yeah. And uh so we were still arguing about the name. So we we go we get in the car, and I was like, Well, I I really love Jonas. And she's like, Well, I don't know about that. So I turn on the radio, true story. I turn on the radio on K-Rock on LA, and the very first song that comes on, Absolute Truth, Absolute Truth, Swear My Soul to whatever. I already sweared my soul. Uh yeah. His name is Jonas. Dun dun dun dun dun dun is weezer. Yes, that song started. And my my my my wife at the time, uh, Nicole, she looks at me and she goes, Fuck, man, his name's Jonas. And that was it. So my son's name is Jonas or Jonas in Spanish.

SPEAKER_02

That's uh well, you have to, you have to go with it. Or if it would have been uh yeah, do you have to go with it? That's I mean, it's the universe told you, sorry, man, this is the name, so you got it.

SPEAKER_03

But also another reason why I wanted to name him that was because I'm a uh one of my favorite bands is a band called Mew, and there's a band member in the band called that. Uh uh his name is uh Jonas, and uh they're just an inspiration to me. Uh even though they're like they didn't I didn't grow up with them because they came out in the 2000s, I still really love that band. So it was just one of those things, yeah. Cool. Did I answer your question?

SPEAKER_02

I did, yes. Okay. Next question: Who's your favorite TV or movie dad?

SPEAKER_03

TV or movie dad. Uh always uh well, Harry and Henderson's is one of my favorite movies. So you gotta go with uh, you know, uh oh my god, my brain's not working right now. What's the name? From the third uh 30, the the 30th, what's his name? Like John Lithgow? Yeah, John Lithgow. John Lithgow. I love John Lithgow. Yeah, it's so weird you asked me that because me and my wife were just talking about that. We were like, John Litkow, man. Uh Harina Henderson's fucking uh Life of Um Well that's oh uh Life Life according to Garp? The World According to Garp? According to Garp. Like and I'm like, he's always a great dad. 30, what is that? 30 Rock from the Sun or whatever. Third Rock from the Sun, yeah. He's yeah, yeah. He's he's one of my favorite TV dads. Is that what you asked? TV dad, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and uh man, I think that's it. Um because he's in some of my favorite movies. Yeah, right? I I and then uh and then of course Michael Keaton comes, Michael Keaton comes in a second. Because I love him and and uh Mr. Mom. Yep, and just I love all of his movies. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. I was gonna say, I think that's why whenever uh John Lithgow was the serial killer in the fourth season of Dexter, it was so terrifying.

SPEAKER_03

And I never got into Dexter. Uh my wife, my wife, Michelle, she's all horror and murders, which we gotta talk about that. I don't know. You're married, right? I am, yeah. Does your wife, does your wife obsessively watch the next 48 or how to bury bodies, or uh dude, my wife watches all those shows nonstop, dude. Like, even when I go in the shower to use the restroom and she's in the shower on the TV, she's got murders going. And I'm like, yo, Michelle, you want to talk about this? You want to talk about this?

SPEAKER_02

Have you checked life insurance policies with your name on them? Just to just to ask you, just to make sure. Wow, I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna have to, I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna question. She's got some details, she's got some plans, man. Check out your if just I don't know how to find out if there are life insurance policies taken out in your name that you don't know about, but just as a friend, you should look into that.

SPEAKER_03

I'm like the paranormal sci-fi nerd. So and she's the murderer. Okay, she's the murderer. Uh but yeah, so she was at the Dexter, and we were talking about Dexter, and uh, I didn't realize that he was in Dexter. So now I want to go watch it. Yep. I want to go watch Dexter, but I don't want to watch the new shows that came out because I heard they all suck. But I want to go back and actually revisit all the Dexter.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Um, next question. You might not have one. Did you ever have a replacement curse word? Like whenever your kids were little, or you just say the curse word and we're like, sorry, kids, this is who I am.

SPEAKER_03

Now I'm a New Yorker, so uh there was no uh earmuffs. There was no earmuffs in our house. I'm just gonna be honest, you know? My daughter has the mouth of a trucker. Yo, it's funny. Both my kids are born in Ohio, right? But they both like talk like they're from like, you know, Brooklyn or Queens, you know? Yeah. So uh I will take full cred for being a terrible father at um not saying uh the kind, nice words or earmuffs. So unfortunately, there is no replacement of words. We just keep it real in this house, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02

I get it. Yeah, that's also the most common answer. Almost every dad is like, was I supposed to not curse? Because I don't fucking know how to do that.

SPEAKER_03

My dad had a mouth of a Spanish trucker. All he did was curse all day in Spanish.

SPEAKER_02

So dude, that's awesome. So there you go. There you go. Next question next question. What's like one of your favorite activities to do with your kids? Or like any or something like that? Favorite thing to do with them?

SPEAKER_03

Um We haven't done it in a while, but we go away a lot together. We like to go uh we rent like uh cabins up in the mountains and we go fishing a lot. Uh we do we haven't gone fishing this year. I know my daughter keeps reminding me. But we fish a lot. Uh we go to shows. You know, I took my daughter to see Signory Real Estate. Um Yeah. That's it, man. You know, other than that, uh, but get yelled at. We got one more question. Did okay. One more question and one more. I got I still got time, dude. I think that was at 3 30.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, that was 3 30. 3 30. Yeah. What? I believe listen. I don't know. It's yours. I don't know your I don't have your calendar in front of me. Um, yes. What's the next question? Next question is um, what's your least favorite kid show? What's like a kid's show when your kids would watch it? You'd be like, this is a piece of shit. I hate this show.

SPEAKER_03

Um what was the one with the annoying little bulb kid? The cartoon.

SPEAKER_01

Caillou.

SPEAKER_03

It's Caillou. Yo, I fucking can't stand Caillou. I used to tell all the time Jonas would watch it, and I'd be like, yo, bro, like you have a like the kid's annoying. Uh but no, my uh we always watch really cool shows. We watched uh we used to watch my kids were obsessed with uh Yo Gabba Gabba. Yeah all those shows. Um what's the one that uh what's the second one that they put out the Aquabats? Is it the Aquabat show? Aquabats, yeah, the Aquabats, yeah, yeah. Like we my kids were always into like, you know, like that cool shit. Like, you know, they were into my daughter especially, like they were into Corpse Bride. Uh it's yeah. So they always watch really cool. Like I used to love watching Adventure Time with them. Like obsessive. Yep. It means a lot. Like so much that when I hear the song somewhere, I'll get teary eyed. Yeah. Because it it means that much to me, you know? I would say Adventure Time. Is that what you asked? What's my favorite show to watch with them?

SPEAKER_02

I asked what's I ask what your least favorite one is, but that always leads into what's your favorite.

SPEAKER_03

My favorite one and my favorite one is Kai. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

It's awful. It's it's like the worst one ever. And it's so funny because it's like universal. Anyone who has kids who watch even five seconds of that show is like, I despise this show so much.

SPEAKER_03

Such a whiny little dick. You know?

SPEAKER_02

Yep. Yep. Okay, anyway. Since we got since we got more time than I thought, let me think of two more other random questions to ask you. Um, was there ever anything your kids got super into where you had no idea what the hell it was, so then you got super into it also? Like my son is super into trains. I don't care about trains at all, but now I care about trains because he cares about trains. Can you think of anything like that in you as being a dad?

SPEAKER_03

Man, I'm so immature. No. Look, dude, I have a wall of RC cars, okay? I've I have a wall of I have I have a whole entire wall. This is my bedroom. I have a whole entire wall of all just toys, okay? Yep. Okay. The question is what I got my kids into. Okay. No. Yeah, I hear that. I think a lot of um, I think my son, I it's for me when my son, though, it was like a musical thing. Like there were bands that I didn't pay attention to, and then because of him, I'm like, oh shit, they're good. Like the band Love. I knew they were around, but I just thought they were a metal core band. I'm not really into metal core bands, which is really funny because I listen to the most brutal music in the world. But there's just something about metal core that seems yeah, it's just very mundane. It's very mundane, you know. So anyway, so I never paid attention to them. And then uh they came out with that one new album that was very shoegazy, and my son got me into that. And then and then my son started opening up my eyes, and my daughter started opening up my eyes to a lot of shoegazy stuff too, like you know, like stuff that I knew existed. I just forgot about it because when you get old, you forget about those cool things. So I would say they influenced me a lot more so on that. Like it's a musical thing, not a show thing. Or does that make sense?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. No, there's definitely like my kids listen to all kinds, like uh I have two daughters also, and like the pop music they listen to, like I'm forced to listen to it. I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna learn about this band because it makes me connect with you, even though I hate this song. But you like it, and I'm gonna figure it out.

SPEAKER_03

I am blessed to have a daughter who's like a like uh well right now she's in her mermaid phase, but you know, yeah, just you know, I have a daughter who's basically Wednesda Adams, and a son who's a young Ian Mackay. You know what I mean? So it's like Damn man I I did my job. Oh man. So they turn me on they turn me on to cool music. That's what they do, you know. They they keep me like instead of closed-minded, yeah, old people just get closed-minded, like, nah. Yep. Man, they keep me like open to new shit. And then sometimes I try to act like the cool dad that's like, yeah, I know what that is, and then I'll run back to my room and look on the phone, you know?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like I just have to go to the bathroom real quick. Just hold on. I needed my phone too, so I can Google some stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'll I got one more for ya. Uh, let's do um, what's like if you had to give parenting advice to like to a dad or something like that, what's like a form of parenting advice you give to a fellow dad?

SPEAKER_03

Doesn't matter what you do in life, your kids come first.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

If you have to drop everything and walk away, you gotta drop everything and walk away. You gotta pull up your big you gotta you gotta pull up your your big boy pants and and grow up and be a good parent. And uh the best thing to do is remember the things in life that may have caused the trauma that you have growing up and don't do those things. How about you sit there and you listen? How about you you once in a while take their advice? Um once in a while it's okay to bitch them out, but it's okay for your kids to bitch you out. Because sometimes you need that as a parent. You know, I didn't I didn't get that. I'm not saying my parents were are were were not loving. My mom and dad were the best, the best. I I lucked out. You know, but they're diff they were different. They came from Columbia, you know, it's different, you know. It's also different age, 70s, you know. So I wanted to raise my kids with the same morals and ethics and the same toughness that we had to be taught, because you know, she didn't want us growing up. Um you know, whatever. So I that's what I try to do. That's what I try to tell other parents. Like it's okay to teach your kids to be tough, it's okay to listen to them, and it's okay to uh you know, get down to their level. So that's that's to me very important being a parent, you know? And and it's selfishness that's just you gotta let go of that shit, you know. Yeah. I you know, and I know we're all selfish, and I know we're all we all have egos and all that. And it's just sometimes you just gotta put that away to be a parent and and and um and that's it. I mean, that's the only advice I can give. You know, shut up and listen sometimes. You know? Because we're not perfect. No. We're not perfect. Nah, we're fucked up, you know? So it's like you know.

unknown

Yep.

SPEAKER_03

So I guess I guess I guess my old I I guess I guess the the easiest way of saying is just don't just don't be an asshole. Be a cool really though.

SPEAKER_02

It's like it's it's so funny to be. It's not that hard. Your kids are humans. Why would you just like treat them like they're a human? And then you have a better relationship. Do that.

SPEAKER_03

Yes. And that's what I mean by that's what I mean by this. Listen, sometimes as a parent, you gotta take your top lip and your bottom lip and put them like this and just shut the fuck up and listen to your kids once in a while. Pretty much that's all.

SPEAKER_02

Yep. Pretty much, and at any age, like, because it's the reminder of like, yeah, if my almost five-year-old tells me a very long story, it's important to him. So listen to what he has to say. Sure, you might not understand it. Sure, it might be a dream he had. It doesn't matter, it's important to your child. And if your children are important to you, listen. Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

You know, my kids said, Dad, I want to go to Walmart and you're gonna put this tutu on, you put that tutu on and you go. And and you know what? You may have fans who follow you around Walmart and then want to take pictures of you and that, which I did. Okay, but that's okay. You know what though, dude? Doing that is better than walking out on any giant stage. I'm being honest with you. Like, I've had some great moments. I played Master Square Garden, you name it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And like one of the greatest moments of my life was we played the House of Blues in um in uh Cleveland. So all my kids were there, and it was the last song. I put my guitar down, let the feedback go, you know, be cool, rock star.

SPEAKER_01

We shot steady and all that, you know.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, whoa, I'm so cool and tough. My daughter walked out behind me. I didn't even see her, nobody saw her. She walked out with her headphones, picked my guitar up, and stood in front of the crowd and started hitting it. And I have pictures of it and video of it, and I had to run back out there because the guitar tech was like, Should I get her? I was like, No, I'll get her. And I ran up behind her, and I just held her while she did that and watching the crowd go nuts. For me, that was the greatest moment more than anything else in the world. More than any award, more than anything. Yeah, you know, and I I mean that shit. And yeah, you know, it's cliche, you know, everyone's gonna say that shit, but it's true. Like, just shut up and listen to your kids. Once in a while, listen to them.

SPEAKER_02

Very much and communication is easy. It is, and it's always fun to me whenever people aren't willing to validate or listen to their kids. They're like, I feel like I don't have much relationship with my kids. And I'm like, you make them feel useless every time you're around them. Why would they want to be around you? Right, dude.

SPEAKER_03

My daughter hates it when she's cooking, and I go in the kitchen because I'm a cooking snob. Yeah, yeah. She's like, get the hell out of here. Get the hell out of here. And I'm like adding seasonings, and she's like, get the hell out of here, you know. That's that stuff's never gonna end, you know? Yeah. I I I love being a dad. I do. There's moments where I'm over it, you know? I don't think every dad has that. But it's for me in parenting, the most important thing is just I think maybe that is my advice. Once in a while, it's okay to just shut the fuck up and listen to your kids.

SPEAKER_02

Yep. Because it is. And then last thing I have for you is just like a moment for self-promotion. So, like, where do I find it? Not like who's my greatest influence or this or that. That's a different do you want me to ask that? I mean, I can, but like we'll do that in another interview.

SPEAKER_03

Next interview, we'll we'll talk about music, okay?

SPEAKER_02

Okay, yeah, that's good. No, I mean, seriously, man, that's the whole hope of this is to be like, I know you give a shit about your kids, ramble. Yes, talk about it. Because most dads, you you start talking, you're like, oh shit, I'm talking too much. And it's like, no, dads should be allowed to ramble about how much their kids mean to them and how much they love their kids. And it doesn't need to be this focused thing, it should just be genuine, and that's what I was hoping for.

SPEAKER_03

Well, I'll I'll do one more question because I I think I'm gonna uh go do this other interview. I think I got a tech. Yeah. Uh self-remessed.

SPEAKER_02

How do we find the music? How do we find the band? Your Instagram.

SPEAKER_03

All the band is called me. Yes. Uh we are awesome. Uh we have a new record. We have a new record coming out called uh All Good Things, because it was a saying that I used to uh I said a lot. Uh uh it it's from AA and all that. Like there's just there's just more important things in in the world to worry about than just just yeah, so yeah, if you stay positive and focused, it's all good things. So we named the record um that and uh I'm just excited. We had a new single come out, Grown Man. I hope people liked it. Yeah. Um there's not much else to say, but uh come see us play, man. Come hang out with us, come yeah, you come to a show, hang out with us, and and you know it's the rock star shit is it's that shit's push aside. This is a family and we're just a band that is that's just wants to have fun. So come to a show, have fun with us, go check out the singles, go buy the record, um, buy merch, do whatever you can to hear it. But I hope you like it, and yeah, I hope to see you guys at the show.

SPEAKER_02

Perfect. Yeah, man, and whenever you guys come out to Denver, I'll come out, I'll heckle you in person, as opposed to over a screen. Right on. Right. Enjoy the rest of your day, Eddie. I appreciate it, man. Thank you. I appreciate you. Cool, man. Have a good one, all right? See ya, bud. Bye. Bye. Thank you so much for listening to the episode. Make sure to follow us on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube at the Imperfect Dads Podcast. And make sure to give us five stars for every listen to us. Music, editing, and production is all done by me. Make sure to tune in on Mondays and most Thursdays for an episode. This podcast is part of the Never at Phase Network. Make sure to go to NeverFace Network.com to learn more about it.