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And and you"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":13.68,"endTime":16.32,"body":"know, I would tell people, hey,"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":13.68,"endTime":16.32,"body":"you know, there are more people"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":16.32,"endTime":18.87,"body":"who voted for Trump in"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":16.32,"endTime":18.87,"body":"California than any state in the"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":18.87,"endTime":23.76,"body":"union, I believe, except for"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":18.87,"endTime":23.76,"body":"Texas, and maybe Florida, maybe"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":23.76,"endTime":28.32,"body":"Florida. But that said, it's"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":23.76,"endTime":28.32,"body":"still crazy, though, when it"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":28.32,"endTime":32.04,"body":"comes to state government and"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":28.32,"endTime":32.04,"body":"the things they do. I mean, it's"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":32.04,"endTime":36.33,"body":"such a beautiful place to live."},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":32.04,"endTime":36.33,"body":"And there's just so much crap"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":36.33,"endTime":38.82,"body":"going on that it makes me it"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":36.33,"endTime":38.82,"body":"makes me want to punch my face."},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":39.06,"endTime":41.46,"body":"It's too it's the"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":39.06,"endTime":41.46,"body":"the state is I think too big"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":41.46,"endTime":48.15,"body":"now. I think it's, it's, it's, I"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":41.46,"endTime":48.15,"body":"used to think that the movement"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":48.15,"endTime":53.22,"body":"to split California into four or"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":48.15,"endTime":53.22,"body":"five different states was a bit"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":53.22,"endTime":55.8,"body":"crazy. But now I'm not so sure."},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":56.58,"endTime":58.08,"body":"Yeah, no, I'd live"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":56.58,"endTime":58.08,"body":"up in what do they call the"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":58.08,"endTime":62.37,"body":"northern area freedom, freedom"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":58.08,"endTime":62.37,"body":"Ville. Jackson, Jackson, state"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":62.37,"endTime":66.51,"body":"of Jefferson state of Jefferson"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":62.37,"endTime":66.51,"body":"house. 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It"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":85.169,"endTime":91.859,"body":"just it's worth every year,"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":91.859,"endTime":96.539,"body":"there's just something one more"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":91.859,"endTime":96.539,"body":"damn thing. Right. Right. And"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":96.929,"endTime":101.159,"body":"but the I think the big thing"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":96.929,"endTime":101.159,"body":"would be if and, you know, this"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":101.159,"endTime":103.949,"body":"isn't there's a people all over"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":101.159,"endTime":103.949,"body":"the country who are going to be"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":103.949,"endTime":109.139,"body":"listening to this. But"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":103.949,"endTime":109.139,"body":"California, in 1978, passed a"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":109.139,"endTime":114.119,"body":"ballot initiative called"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":109.139,"endTime":114.119,"body":"Proposition 13. That put a cap"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":114.149,"endTime":118.979,"body":"on the growth of property taxes."},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":114.149,"endTime":118.979,"body":"So California has probably the"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":119.009,"endTime":122.429,"body":"one of the highest income tax"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":119.009,"endTime":122.429,"body":"rates in the country, I think,"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":122.729,"endTime":127.829,"body":"Connecticut and Hawaii might be"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":122.729,"endTime":127.829,"body":"higher. But we have probably one"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":127.829,"endTime":132.929,"body":"of the highest income tax rates,"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":127.829,"endTime":132.929,"body":"and other taxes are very high"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":132.929,"endTime":139.619,"body":"gas taxes are very, very high."},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":132.929,"endTime":139.619,"body":"But property taxes are near the"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":139.619,"endTime":145.799,"body":"bottom in the country. 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Right? I"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":169.41,"endTime":172.77,"body":"mean, Proposition, right. It's"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":172.77,"endTime":175.32,"body":"got a few other little"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":172.77,"endTime":175.32,"body":"provisions, a two thirds and"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":175.32,"endTime":178.02,"body":"some other things. But I mean, I"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":175.32,"endTime":178.02,"body":"keep paying more property tax"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":178.02,"endTime":181.77,"body":"every time I every time I either"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":178.02,"endTime":181.77,"body":"buy and sell a house, or they"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":181.77,"endTime":185.91,"body":"could just redo it. So it's only"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":181.77,"endTime":185.91,"body":"people who were owned a house in"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":185.91,"endTime":188.76,"body":"1976. 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And that's why it's not"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5599.74,"endTime":5602.95,"body":"good when you're Republican and"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5602.95,"endTime":5605.65,"body":"you lose 20% of your old people"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5602.95,"endTime":5605.65,"body":"because of COVID. That's a"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5605.65,"endTime":5606.19,"body":"problem. Well,"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5606.22,"endTime":5608.08,"body":"I mean, that's"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5606.22,"endTime":5608.08,"body":"that. I mean, I'm sure that"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5608.08,"endTime":5609.34,"body":"actually factored in. That was,"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5609.55,"endTime":5611.38,"body":"that was the"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5609.55,"endTime":5611.38,"body":"constituency that killed him. I"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5611.38,"endTime":5614.86,"body":"mean, he had more blacks. He had"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5611.38,"endTime":5614.86,"body":"more, a lot of a lot of a lot of"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5614.86,"endTime":5619.24,"body":"ethnic subgroups. But he lost"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5614.86,"endTime":5619.24,"body":"old people. I'm sorry, your MC"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5619.24,"endTime":5619.48,"body":"No,"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5619.48,"endTime":5622.03,"body":"I just did, right."},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5619.48,"endTime":5622.03,"body":"I mean, but it I found it"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5622.03,"endTime":5626.86,"body":"perfectly believable, that even"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5622.03,"endTime":5626.86,"body":"though Trump got what it was it"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5626.86,"endTime":5632.05,"body":"7 million more votes than he did"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5626.86,"endTime":5632.05,"body":"in 2016. I found it perfectly"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5632.05,"endTime":5636.46,"body":"believable, given the hysteria"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5632.05,"endTime":5636.46,"body":"of the 2020 election, that more"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5636.46,"endTime":5639.58,"body":"people would have voted for"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5636.46,"endTime":5639.58,"body":"Biden, and now that they're"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5639.58,"endTime":5643.81,"body":"having buyer's remorse, I"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5639.58,"endTime":5643.81,"body":"believe that they saw Biden as a"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5643.81,"endTime":5647.56,"body":"means to an end. And the end was"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5643.81,"endTime":5647.56,"body":"what they thought would be"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5647.56,"endTime":5651.58,"body":"something like normal life."},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5647.56,"endTime":5651.58,"body":"Alright. And we haven't gotten"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5651.58,"endTime":5655.72,"body":"it. You know, those promises,"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5651.58,"endTime":5655.72,"body":"the product, I think a lot of"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5655.72,"endTime":5659.92,"body":"people thought that Biden would,"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5655.72,"endTime":5659.92,"body":"would get a handle on this"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5659.92,"endTime":5663.37,"body":"virus, and people would be able"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5659.92,"endTime":5663.37,"body":"to return to something like"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5663.37,"endTime":5667.72,"body":"their lives before and without"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5663.37,"endTime":5667.72,"body":"the craziness of the Trump"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5667.72,"endTime":5668.23,"body":"administration."},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5668.23,"endTime":5670.75,"body":"And some of them"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5668.23,"endTime":5670.75,"body":"just thought. We'll go through"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5670.75,"endTime":5673.24,"body":"four years of not hating each"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5670.75,"endTime":5673.24,"body":"other and screaming at each"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5673.24,"endTime":5674.32,"body":"other and throwing rocks at"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5674.32,"endTime":5677.98,"body":"each other. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5674.32,"endTime":5677.98,"body":"Now who's being naive? Yes,"},{"speaker":"Ben Boychuk","startTime":5677.98,"endTime":5678.37,"body":"Kate."}]}