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And"},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1525.11,"endTime":1527.39,"body":"obviously, there was a nugget of"},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1525.11,"endTime":1527.39,"body":"truth in that story that they"},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1527.39,"endTime":1531.65,"body":"were bombarded by a Russian"},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1527.39,"endTime":1531.65,"body":"washer, but I just think it's, I"},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1531.65,"endTime":1535.73,"body":"saw this so much in Afghanistan"},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1531.65,"endTime":1535.73,"body":"was just the perpetuation of"},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1535.73,"endTime":1540.35,"body":"doctored photos and misleading"},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1535.73,"endTime":1540.35,"body":"headlines. And you see that not"},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1540.35,"endTime":1542.84,"body":"just from the Russians, if you"},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1540.35,"endTime":1542.84,"body":"will, no, Russians are notorious"},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1542.84,"endTime":1545.81,"body":"for that kind of chaos. But but"},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1542.84,"endTime":1545.81,"body":"you also see it from the"},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1545.81,"endTime":1549.11,"body":"Ukrainian side too, and sort of"},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1545.81,"endTime":1549.11,"body":"drumming up that propaganda and"},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1549.62,"endTime":1552.35,"body":"just sort of approach it, I"},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1549.62,"endTime":1552.35,"body":"guess, with a bit of a cautious"},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1552.35,"endTime":1555.56,"body":"eye and no, there are many"},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1552.35,"endTime":1555.56,"body":"different elements at play. And,"},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1556.22,"endTime":1559.88,"body":"you know, if you can't verify"},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1556.22,"endTime":1559.88,"body":"it, then it's or it sounds too"},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1559.88,"endTime":1563.42,"body":"good to be true. It probably is."},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1559.88,"endTime":1563.42,"body":"You have your windows taped up."},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1563.69,"endTime":1567.29,"body":"Yes. Everything is secure as"},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1563.69,"endTime":1567.29,"body":"secure as it can"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":1567.71,"endTime":1570.98,"body":"be minus the hot"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":1567.71,"endTime":1570.98,"body":"water. Sorry, yeah. All right,"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":1570.98,"endTime":1574.34,"body":"you, you take care of yourself"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":1570.98,"endTime":1574.34,"body":"first sound of rumbling around"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":1574.34,"endTime":1579.38,"body":"there, the basement is a good"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":1574.34,"endTime":1579.38,"body":"place to be. And ping me we'll"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":1579.38,"endTime":1582.23,"body":"we'll talk longer when you are"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":1579.38,"endTime":1582.23,"body":"out of danger and we'll talk"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":1582.23,"endTime":1582.74,"body":"soon. Okay."},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1583.13,"endTime":1585.23,"body":"I look forward to"},{"speaker":"Hollie McKay","startTime":1583.13,"endTime":1585.23,"body":"it. Thank you for your support."},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":1585.29,"endTime":1586.43,"body":"Alright. Hi, you"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":1585.29,"endTime":1586.43,"body":"take care"}]}