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Not one news"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5354.13,"endTime":5357.4,"body":"organization that you know of or"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5357.4,"endTime":5362.26,"body":"that we know by name on as a"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5357.4,"endTime":5362.26,"body":"mainstream legacy news"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5362.26,"endTime":5366.49,"body":"organization actually said, You"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5362.26,"endTime":5366.49,"body":"know what, why did that why did"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5366.49,"endTime":5368.77,"body":"they kick people out at a"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5366.49,"endTime":5368.77,"body":"certain hour? Or where did that"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5368.77,"endTime":5372.43,"body":"trunk come from? Or those late"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5368.77,"endTime":5372.43,"body":"night shifts? Let's really get"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5372.43,"endTime":5376.06,"body":"into this. Man. It was a whole"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5372.43,"endTime":5376.06,"body":"lot of nope, Trump's gone fuck"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5376.06,"endTime":5381.61,"body":"you This is? Of course not. And,"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5376.06,"endTime":5381.61,"body":"and would I be shocked if some"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5381.61,"endTime":5383.98,"body":"of those things come out to have"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5381.61,"endTime":5383.98,"body":"some element of truth at the"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5383.98,"endTime":5387.16,"body":"bottom of them? No, I wouldn't"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5383.98,"endTime":5387.16,"body":"have any of them. Have any of"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":5387.16,"endTime":5389.05,"body":"them been there? 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They all say that"},{"speaker":"Mike Oreskes","startTime":5403.66,"endTime":5408.58,"body":"there was no pattern of"},{"speaker":"Mike Oreskes","startTime":5403.66,"endTime":5408.58,"body":"troublesome issues. He, what was"},{"speaker":"Mike Oreskes","startTime":5408.58,"endTime":5412.39,"body":"your word, hinky? It was there"},{"speaker":"Mike Oreskes","startTime":5408.58,"endTime":5412.39,"body":"was no there was no pattern of"},{"speaker":"Mike Oreskes","startTime":5412.39,"endTime":5415.33,"body":"hinky behavior any different"},{"speaker":"Mike Oreskes","startTime":5412.39,"endTime":5415.33,"body":"from any previous election. 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