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Literally"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4387.91,"endTime":4390.43,"body":"just looking at the New York"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4387.91,"endTime":4390.43,"body":"Times, destroying its"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4390.43,"endTime":4394.42,"body":"credibility, destroying its"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4390.43,"endTime":4394.42,"body":"ideals, firing or pushing out"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4394.42,"endTime":4396.43,"body":"anybody who didn't think"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4394.42,"endTime":4396.43,"body":"differently, and that's turning"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4396.43,"endTime":4400.3,"body":"into something different. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4396.43,"endTime":4400.3,"body":"Yeah. All right, dude, well,"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4400.3,"endTime":4405.88,"body":"look, I will let you go. This"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4400.3,"endTime":4405.88,"body":"was. Again, I mentioned it"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4405.88,"endTime":4407.95,"body":"before, before the cameras"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4405.88,"endTime":4407.95,"body":"started rolling. When I read"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4407.95,"endTime":4410.77,"body":"your story, it was just"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4407.95,"endTime":4410.77,"body":"depressing as hell because it's"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4410.77,"endTime":4414.34,"body":"like, this shouldn't happen, not"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4410.77,"endTime":4414.34,"body":"only in America, you shouldn't"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4414.34,"endTime":4417.94,"body":"be fired, because you're like,"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4414.34,"endTime":4417.94,"body":"just because of racial stuff"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4417.94,"endTime":4421.0,"body":"like that. I mean, I mean,"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4417.94,"endTime":4421.0,"body":"literally, you know, flip every"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4421.0,"endTime":4423.79,"body":"word black with white in your"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4421.0,"endTime":4423.79,"body":"thing, and writers would have"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4423.79,"endTime":4426.16,"body":"given you a $50 million check."},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4423.79,"endTime":4426.16,"body":"And you would have been buying"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4426.16,"endTime":4428.5,"body":"your yacht and all of that"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4426.16,"endTime":4428.5,"body":"stuff, because it would have"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4428.5,"endTime":4431.56,"body":"been the worst racial"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4428.5,"endTime":4431.56,"body":"discrimination that's come down"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4431.56,"endTime":4436.93,"body":"the pike and while but for the"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4431.56,"endTime":4436.93,"body":"destruction of of, you know, of,"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4437.17,"endTime":4439.78,"body":"of an industry, but sounds like"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4437.17,"endTime":4439.78,"body":"you're doing okay, and punch"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4439.78,"endTime":4443.35,"body":"back look, just just never"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4439.78,"endTime":4443.35,"body":"stopped. I mean, you got balls"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4443.35,"endTime":4445.84,"body":"for continuing to do this stuff,"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4443.35,"endTime":4445.84,"body":"because I can't imagine some of"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4445.84,"endTime":4449.05,"body":"the emails that you get for"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4445.84,"endTime":4449.05,"body":"saying things like cops don't"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4449.05,"endTime":4451.75,"body":"shoot blacks more often than"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4449.05,"endTime":4451.75,"body":"they shoot white people. There's"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4451.75,"endTime":4454.39,"body":"got to be on a personal level."},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4451.75,"endTime":4454.39,"body":"That's gotta I mean, I'd be"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4454.39,"endTime":4457.09,"body":"telling my wife look, sweetie, I"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4454.39,"endTime":4457.09,"body":"might have to get rid of you and"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4457.09,"endTime":4463.09,"body":"marry a black bride just so I"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4457.09,"endTime":4463.09,"body":"can prove. So I wish you all the"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4463.09,"endTime":4466.87,"body":"best in things, and if there's"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4463.09,"endTime":4466.87,"body":"anything I can do for helping"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4466.87,"endTime":4468.94,"body":"get that that message out,"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":4466.87,"endTime":4468.94,"body":"please let me know."},{"speaker":"Zac Kriegman","startTime":4469.46,"endTime":4470.48,"body":"Yeah, thanks for"},{"speaker":"Zac Kriegman","startTime":4469.46,"endTime":4470.48,"body":"having me on."}]}