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The police units"},{"speaker":"Win Tierney","startTime":2673.33,"endTime":2677.35,"body":"folded and went internal and"},{"speaker":"Win Tierney","startTime":2677.35,"endTime":2681.28,"body":"protected themselves like you"},{"speaker":"Win Tierney","startTime":2677.35,"endTime":2681.28,"body":"know, malicious would do. And"},{"speaker":"Win Tierney","startTime":2681.31,"endTime":2685.51,"body":"and then here we are in 2015."},{"speaker":"Win Tierney","startTime":2681.31,"endTime":2685.51,"body":"And we're back dealing with this"},{"speaker":"Win Tierney","startTime":2685.54,"endTime":2687.97,"body":"only now we're not just dealing"},{"speaker":"Win Tierney","startTime":2685.54,"endTime":2687.97,"body":"with this. 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I"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":3092.52,"endTime":3094.2,"body":"don't know what I would say"},{"speaker":"Ken LaCorte","startTime":3092.52,"endTime":3094.2,"body":"about Iraq."},{"speaker":"Win Tierney","startTime":3095.43,"endTime":3098.1,"body":"Yeah, you know,"},{"speaker":"Win Tierney","startTime":3095.43,"endTime":3098.1,"body":"Afghanistan. I think also, and I"},{"speaker":"Win Tierney","startTime":3098.1,"endTime":3100.26,"body":"don't know as much about that,"},{"speaker":"Win Tierney","startTime":3098.1,"endTime":3100.26,"body":"because I didn't spend any time"},{"speaker":"Win Tierney","startTime":3100.26,"endTime":3103.71,"body":"in that conflict all my time was"},{"speaker":"Win Tierney","startTime":3100.26,"endTime":3103.71,"body":"in Iraq. 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Is that Is that what the"},{"speaker":"Win Tierney","startTime":3205.41,"endTime":3209.67,"body":"you know, the premise of this"},{"speaker":"Win Tierney","startTime":3209.67,"endTime":3212.4,"body":"was we better get in there"},{"speaker":"Win Tierney","startTime":3209.67,"endTime":3212.4,"body":"before somebody else does. You"},{"speaker":"Win Tierney","startTime":3212.4,"endTime":3216.0,"body":"know, Saddam Hussein, was this"},{"speaker":"Win Tierney","startTime":3212.4,"endTime":3216.0,"body":"guy really potentially a an"},{"speaker":"Win Tierney","startTime":3216.0,"endTime":3219.66,"body":"exporter of global terrorism? He"},{"speaker":"Win Tierney","startTime":3216.0,"endTime":3219.66,"body":"hadn't yet. 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