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Where's The "Star" In All-Star?
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The episode dives into the decline of the NBA All-Star Game, examining its wavering competitiveness and lack of engagement from players. With discussions surrounding changes in game format, player participation, and the absence of marketable stars, the hosts propose fresh ideas to revitalize this iconic basketball event.
• Reflection on the All-Star Game's historical context
• Discussion of the new format and its impact
• Analysis of player engagement and fan experience
• Examination of the lack of star personalities
• Debate on monetary incentives for participation
• Ideas for rejuvenating the All-Star Game
• Closing thoughts on the future of the event
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all rise. The pod is now in session on one third of the trio. This is your boy, big bear. Welcome to another episode. How's everybody doing? What's going on?
Speaker 2yeah, we know what. The episode of the supreme court basketball podcast. We thank y'all for tuning in again. Uh, hi, I'm how you doing what's going on. We know what the weekend is the Supreme Court Basketball Podcast. We thank y'all for tuning in again. I am Henri.
Speaker 3I'm the eldest in the trail.
Speaker 2We got.
Speaker 1Chris, you already know me, I'm the third Rolling in on third Big Bear. What's happening?
Speaker 3Oh man.
Speaker 2We back at it. How y'all doing. I'm just getting through a few hours of sleep. Uh, had a good time last night at dray day, la 10th anniversary. Uh, man, it was live man, that was. Uh, that that was a good time. A good time was definitely had. Man, we had got a. Okay, my hip-hop fans you know dj battle cat, legendary west coast producer, dj j-rock, you know even had a buddy too. Man, even had an appearance from my dj high tech, another lauded producer in hip-hop, if y'all know about that. It was just great man, it was good vibes, definitely a west coast deal. Um, it was a cool night. It was dope man, I really enjoyed that, but that it was worth not sleeping all night you know what I mean.
Speaker 3Listen at this age. The fact that you stayed up is like yeah yeah, and having to drive way to like echo park.
Speaker 2You know what I mean from where I'm at oh, that's where it was, yeah it was an echo place. Yeah, echo park that shit was. You know I wish the parking situation was a little bit better, but you know we gotta do it. You know it ain't the, you know you gotta be careful because it ain't the most savory neighborhood in the world. But it ain't the worst either, but you know you late night in echo park it can go left real quick.
Speaker 3You know, could be for sure, for sure. Well, at least that was lit, because what wasn't, was this all-star game, boy, boy, boy. I don't know, guys, is it the death of the all-star game? I and I know they switched the format up, if you guys didn't get a chance to check it out. We went to a new format where there were four teams, total, uh, single elimination, uh, with a finals, and it just felt like a slow burn to the same all-star game, a bunch of threes getting jacked up. I, I, I could have skipped this. I almost could have just skipped the all-star game this year, like it, it just didn't do. To be honest, the last good all-star game to me was right after we lost kobe.
Speaker 3That that was the one where it was like that was competitive. They did a little something different, but I I think there was such a height and an emphasis on honoring him that the way they played and competed left us with something. But these last few I mean, what was the saving? Matt McClung did his thing in terms of the dunk contest. That was probably a highlight, but beyond that I could have skipped this weekend. I'm to the point where if they got rid of it, it would not bother me. I'd rather have the players rest and compete than than watch this. What about?
Speaker 2y'all ain't the only one, but that's becoming a recurring theme. Man, that is becoming a recurring theme about the nba in general. You know what I mean. Like that's just, we've had these conversations way too many times, like it is the all-star game.
Speaker 2But but in all fairness, though, all-star games are a hard sell for all sports because it's an exhibitionary game, it doesn't mean anything In baseball. For a while. It at least had some implications for whoever won the game in each respective league, whether it be National or American League team. You might get home field advantage in a World Series, something like that, which was kind of crazy. That you, that you uh, an advantage in the world series was would hinge on an all-star game, that was kind of crazy. But but it makes it competitive at the very least, which baseball is kind of. You know, you don't, I'm not sure how you, I mean I guess you, you can have ass in baseball too. You cannot run the bases properly, you cannot, you know, chase balls down, but the implications in the NBA are are insignificant. It overseas, I'm in Barbados, or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 3The players who actually make it are like I would have rather been resting. Or, you know, you get images of Paul George on a boat. You know what I mean chilling where it's like, hmm, it actually looks pretty good At $221 million and not playing very well as a team. You get to chill and I'm out here with all the festivities, yes, but I don't know bear what. I know you, we've been, we've been talking, but I'm over it, I'm over it.
Speaker 1Yeah, the anger that I'm filled with behind that trash man. Please listen, this goes, man. This goes right along with just the theme of the season Just a whole lot of trash going on. I don't know if they're going to have to go back to East and West and the winner splits like a $5 million pot. Go back to that whole thing. More money Right?
Speaker 1I don't think that's going to be. I mean, we always knew that all-star game was them kind of take it easy first half and midway through the third they're going to start picking it up and going to the fourth quarter because we actually do want to win. But that is not even the case anymore. It's like when I saw them missing like uncontested layups with no like this right, but the new just straight ushered him to the rim like please go ahead and you still miss it.
Speaker 1When I saw I saw kairi irvin blow it, I said yeah, bro, y'all just that. That's when I knew like the energy, like I could care less how, how bad I look with in front of everybody else, but the money that they're. I don't know what the money is for the tickets, but if I was one of those tickets man, please come please.
Speaker 3Come on now Up through the roof. When I was here a couple of years ago I looked and the cheapest seat I found was like $3,000.
Speaker 1That's it.
Speaker 3That was the 300th section At Staples Center $3,000. And that was just for the All-Star game itself. So for y'all who are not LA natives, not familiar 300th section.
Speaker 2LA natives not familiar 300 section.
Speaker 1If you stretch good enough, you'd be touching that Canadian flag.
Speaker 2For about three grand yeah no doubt.
Speaker 1After this, I'd have to see somebody getting their feet whipped. I'm sorry, something's got to happen. Like, yeah, we're going to have to see more of this. I just couldn't believe that they put that out there and you could tell. You know like you'll see the commentary. You see, those guys, the color guys, everybody's trying to liven it up because that's their job to do, but it wasn't there.
Speaker 3I looked at Shaq's face and you know it was just like I just got to be here like it was nothing more to it, but that's a commentary from kevin hart. During the game was like come on, you tried to bring some jokes in and it none of it.
Speaker 1Just you know what all-star weekend. He tried to sell it, so I give him a for effort but it just wasn't.
Speaker 2Yeah, and I agree he missed the mark, it didn't work, it wasn't gonna happen.
Speaker 1But you remember how all the all-star game used to be the star-studded weekend. Not just the game, but the whole weekend. Everybody used to come. It's starting to seem like the NBA isn't the cool kids you know what I mean Like huh, we're okay, I can watch it at home. It's looking so bad that, even though it's the exhibition game, I could care less. Honestly, I forgot it was on until I turned tv on and let's skip through some channels. If it wasn't for that I forgot. Because maybe the format, because when I looked online, you know when on espncom you see the first game and then you see the second and then you see this like culmination, to be determined depending on who wins out of each game 40 points trash man.
Speaker 3I'm putting up 40 points in a quarter now like so yeah, so it's the race to 40.
Speaker 2How fun is that?
Speaker 1the great three-point races. It was like I'm gonna jack this up and if we can get to 40 before you, good. If not, like I don't want to play the next game. Anyway, that's how some of them guys are playing. I did not want to play the next game. I played my half, so to speak, and I'm good. I want to spectate.
Speaker 2Let me ask you guys this For players who are voting in, who aren't injured, should they be mandated to play the All-Star game? I mean, if you were voted into an all-star game, should nba governors, owners uh, really what we're talking about, uh and a commissioner should they? Should they mandate players to play in the all-star game if they were voted in?
Speaker 1if they're at least, hell yeah, because this is for the fans.
Speaker 3Right, it is a fanfare. Most people can't even afford to go see you live. So this is the one time where it's like I get a collection of my favorite players all in one place. The problem is, you can see the players are not happy about being there. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3A lot of people are like this is a rest and relaxation weekend, because not only do you get the all-star weekend, you get the next couple of days. People have to fly back and everything, so you don't have games for a day or two following the game. So I think a lot of people hey, this is just an extended weekend, it's we want to, can't go. You know we're, we're in mexico somewhere chilling, or we're in bahamas, wherever they choose to go, just with, hey, I'm going to take the family for a couple of days, cause it's so rare that I can do so. So it's almost like you can see the players trying to be, and then we keep hearing about how the league is talking to them, about making this an experience and everything. But at that point you, you selling me on playing the game that I'm love to play and and paid to play. It's like that's weird. You have to bring me in and give me a stern talk to be like hey, there's a lot riding on this game. It's like no, it's not.
Speaker 1But, what can you do, like, what do you think you can do? Because I'm trying to understand, and that's the thing.
Renewed All-Star Game Format Critique
Speaker 3That's the hardest part, bear, I don't know at this point. That's the hardest part, bear. I don't know at this point Because the All-Star game, to the point we've all made, is like it's a mentality and we all knew okay, everything is fun and games. First quarter, for sure, you know, let's get a center bringing the ball up, let's get a, you know, a guard in the post, and all right, cool, ha ha ha. And second quarter all right, right, cool, y'all made a couple shots. We can't get too far down, go to halftime, come back. Third quarter all right, juices flown a little bit more, everybody's loose, had a good time. But that last three, four minutes of third quarter it's like, all right, he hit two shots. I'm going for mvp now.
Speaker 3And you just see it gradually pick up to where you get some of these classic games right at the end. East versus West, west is loaded, but East ends up taking it. You know, I remember those games where you got, oh, you know, vince Carter, hey, jordan, yeah, I got voted in, but you take it. And you know some of these games end up being really good games. Magic, when he came back, you know.
Speaker 3So there are times when it's like, ok, this gets rolling and OK, yeah, when he came back, you know so there are times when it's like, okay, this gets rolling and okay yeah, is it truly a full game? No, but we had enough moments to where we got excited. This was not exciting at all. None of these games were exciting, even though one of them was close as 40 points. Then you bring out I mean, you know, halftime, seeing the tribute to the Baywood E40, you too short, loved it. That's nice, but in terms of the game, I I literally could have skipped this and that pains me to say, as somebody who absolutely loves basketball, that I don't. I could have skipped this. I would rather watch I I had more fun watching nc versus uh, nc State women's basketball oh yeah that was, that was a close one it
Speaker 2was a good game, and it was like, yeah, this was much better than what I just saw again it's we'll be discussing it at some point, I'm sure because women's basketball, in all respects, is kind of overtaking the men's game, whether it's collegiate or at the professional level which is kind of crazy I mean because there's it's far more competitive.
Speaker 2You know there is. They're driven if the all-star game, if the players had the mentality, if nothing else, just to be the mvp. You got guys gunning for mvp for that game. Yeah, that would make it fun because they were. There have been off-guard games where you just get like an additional slam dunk contest within the game. Guys are out there trying to show out, especially guys who may not be as well known. They want to make a name for themselves in that game. In case you didn't know who I was, this is who I am. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1You don't even get that.
Speaker 2There's no reason Steph Curry should be. I mean, listen, it's only fitting, being that it is in San Francisco.
Speaker 3Fine, I get it, you always get the local guy trying to get the.
Speaker 2MVP, you got to show off for his crowd. Yeah, why would you not?
Speaker 1Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 2This is a moment like I hate that these young guys don't recognize the opportunity for them to make a name for themselves like this is yeah, this is your time.
Speaker 3if nothing else, yeah, if you're especially.
Speaker 1All the hype was about lebron and he didn't even play so that was another thing where it's like you didn't get to see brown staff katie, on the same floor.
Speaker 2Yeah, that was last minute, so yeah one thing I know for certain this new format. Ain't it that that I could tell you?
Speaker 1oh yeah, no, that ain, but it hasn't. You know, the sad part is it just hasn't been what it needed to be, period for some time. And switching up the format, I don't think and I understand, silver what he was trying to do. He's trying to reignite some type of a different look and maybe it would have reignited some type of energy, but it did not do it at all and to that point, saw previously too, and you know what, bravo to the women's that backed out like, nah, we ain't going to enjoy the festivities, we're not going to be a part of it, we're not going to mix it, because that's lending our energy, our energy to your, your cause and your purpose. And I would love to see the women's, you know, kind of take advantage of this because, like you said, they're still hungry. They haven't, from a contractual standpoint, they're nowhere near the level of the men. So they're still fighting for their piece of the pie which is going to give way to more competitiveness, better games and taking advantage of every piece that they have. You're starting to see, like you said, juju Watkins, you see the State Farm guy. She had the commercial and everything. You're starting to see, like you said, juju Watkins. You see the State Farm guy. She had the commercial and everything. They're starting to do it. I've been waiting for them to do this.
Speaker 1The NBA right now it's like the players and I think that's a thing too. The players are taking advantage of us as just being fans and what we pay for, like you never take into account that those tickets cost, that costs a lot of money. But people are paying for them because they want to be entertaining and you guys are taking it like just like they're so nonchalant about it, like yeah, we're here, it's good enough that you've seen me. You've seen me come out. You know, come from the back and walk through and be like they called my number and you able to cheer me on. That should be good enough. They're not trying to say which. You know. That's how the Iversons and the Colbys were. Like I'm gonna put on a show for the fans. At the very least it you know what. It's one thing to say. You weren't competitive, but you guys weren't flashy either. It wasn't oozing odds, it wasn't very nice right like we didn't get that, like no, off the backboard, throw to nobodies. We didn't get nice lobs, we didn't get nothing yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1I don't even mind, it was three point fest no, this was more like layup line and the warm-ups.
Speaker 2This was bad yeah right.
Speaker 1Right, this was bad. I mean I, you know I haven't checked the numbers, the views and everything but this is going to be so controversial. This is going to be just as controversial, shall I say, like another sport, like the halftime show for the NFL, so controversial. And not saying that Kendrick or anything was bad, but it was a lot of controversy behind it. But this controversy is and as we're going to all talk about how bad, it's like we've reached, dare I say, like an all-time low in the NBA when it comes to all-stars, the all-star game. It's bad.
Speaker 1I couldn't believe they put that product out there like that and it does. I mean shame on them, too for not thinking about the people know that came before them and just that was an honor to be considered an all-star and they, they're taking it with a grain of salt and it, the actions, reflect that. I'm sorry, maybe I'm, you know, maybe I'm an old head, I'm speaking like an old head, but I come on now. We, we all, have to be in agreement. There's no way some young fella even thought that that was entertaining, but at least by the stretch of the imagination, like I said, we didn't see it.
Speaker 1It should have been like some video game stuff, at the very least, straight video game, crossing over, throwing up doing some of the most extreme outlandish things that you would do in the game. Hell, I would have loved to see a group of travels, all these new uh euro steps that they come up with like. Like, is this a travel? I take two steps, pause from the pivot. I would love to see anything but what I had seen you know about two hours ago. That was so trashy. I just I'm telling you I still can't believe that they put that on the court like that.
Speaker 2I came away with more questions than anything. One main question. I had was? Is this, uh, the result of lack of marketable players and them not playing?
Speaker 2when it went available, um, it just. I had a ton of questions. That was the first one that came to mind. Like, is it? Are there? This is the nba, we talked about this earlier. Guys like are, who are the marketable players who are poised to lead the next generation of NBA? Like who? Who is the next face? Like, first of all, I mean you need the box office appeal first and foremost. They seem to lack that. Without LeBron James, you still got Steph Curry, but he's probably the most, and Kevin Durant are probably the most recognizable names on the court. Yeah, everybody else, if recognizable names on the court, yeah, everybody else. If you're casual, you, you know who's the dude with the braids and a red uniform, who's the? You know, I mean you, it's a whole bunch of who's who and and the wrong kind of who's who right?
Speaker 3as good as he is, as good as he is right in cleveland you know you might.
Speaker 2Who is it a matter?
Speaker 1of market.
Speaker 2I mean, I don't know, is that part of the problem? I mean, I mean, and does lebron even move the needle if he plays tonight, like does it matter much?
Speaker 1I think he still garnered some type of fanship and fandom behind his name yeah which that says a lot about the league, because you remember there was a time where the starters were all superstars, like not two, three superstars and the guys who were all stars, though there was a time where all starsstars were you were the backup, but there were full-fledged superstars starting. You had.
Speaker 3you know you think about that. You had a lineup like a Carmelo Anthony Iverson KG. Yeah, iverson KG Dang you had Colby Dwight Howard. You had Kobe Dwight.
Speaker 1Howard.
Speaker 3You still had Kobe, steve Nash, amari Stoudemire. Yeah, oh wow, you think about it.
Speaker 2Still had T-Mac.
Speaker 1You had full-fledged, not all-stars, superstars playing in there and it lived up to the name all-star game. It was star-studded.
Speaker 2Definitely. Yeah. Now again, like you got who's who's the who's who of basketball, but all but the wrong kind of who's who. It's literally like who is that? It's not the who's who you know, but yeah, so that was the first question I had. Is that a lack of marketable stars? Or because the one thing we don't know at least me?
Speaker 2I haven't looked in into any data or any stats. I'm not sure how well it performed internationally on the world stage. Maybe it did better there, right? You hope so, because I keep hearing like well, we're talking about, from our vantage point as Americans, how basketball is suffering. The ratings are sliding, it's bad, the game isn't, the product is terrible, it's hard to sell. But you also hear the counter is like well, that's because y'all are in America, you thinking about the American market. If you look abroad and outside the American purview, you find that the NBA is actually thriving. I'm not sure how true that is. If it's just an NBA propaganda to make us feel hopeful about the future of the league, I don't know, but maybe it's tracking well, outside the us.
Speaker 3I don't know. If that's the case, can the nba survive without american? Without american, if this becomes just luca yannis yokich, will the league be able to sustain us? Yeah, I mean, and if you ask me right now no, no, you're going to need an Ant-Man, you're going to need a couple of these guys to come along. You're going to need Ja to get it together. You're going to have to wait for the next. Yeah, cooper Flagg will be nice, but, yeah, if we don't have those guys, I don't know that you're going to be able to get away with that.
Speaker 3I don't know if the global audience will be able to supersede what we see here, because, great, the numbers are going there. And yes, there's no argument. If you ever thought you know European players, international players were so far behind them, days are over. Oh, our guy, fundamentally they're better. They. They literally have. They capitalized on having actual basketball schools, academies where, like, the focal point is the basketball, where you are in an environment where you can thrive and play. The other thing they have that we've, we've kind of lost is a true sense of pride. Some of these guys would much rather win an olympic gold with their countrymen than an nba championship and that's just how they go, and so, yeah, that's where I'm like.
Speaker 1Yeah, they so I'm looking at it. So for the last, I want to say about 15 years, viewership has been around seven, seven million. But if you look at it, it used to be at one point. Let's we can go back from the 90s. They were, oh, they were in. We're looking at 13 million, 10 million, 18 million, 22 million views all the all the way up until, let's say, 2000 and it started to go down and we started hitting fives, eights. We really had to drop off, pick back up. I want to say around Jesus, it was bad. I mean, we've been at like a 7 million. In 03 in Atlanta, we picked up, went back to 10 million, 8.8. And then we've been at a steady diet of like 7, 7.5, 7.6 million.
Speaker 3That's interesting. Could you even argue the emergence of the international game is actually why ratings are done.
Speaker 2Because, Globally or as a.
Speaker 3Because for You're going to want to see your fellow countrymen and everything but for us.
Speaker 2Yeah, I think the appeal of Americans isn't as attractive, Like straight up. I'm going to be honest with you.
Speaker 1I mean as Americans.
Speaker 2we can be or you're saying I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3Like.
Speaker 2I'll be honest with you because I mean as Americans, they were in double digits.
Speaker 1I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Oh, three was the last time. They were about over double digits in viewers and views. They were about 10.8.
Speaker 2And we ain't tracking like Nielsen ratings. I don't even know how to no, no, yeah.
Speaker 1But it's been a drop off. It's been, you know, a major drop off. They kind of picked up in 2011. $9 million that was in LA, of course, and that makes sense. I think that may play a role too, the markets in which you go in. We like to give everybody a chance you got a point though.
Speaker 3Now you're sitting here in Indiana like okay, Okay.
Speaker 1Yeah Right, salt Lake City was $23 million.
Speaker 2That was $4.5 million, certainly a place you don't want to have an all-star game in Wow, and that was team.
Speaker 1I just think. I think you're onto something. I think that when we think about the all-star game, the expectations were never just high, like it was Western Conference Finals or the playoffs, but we knew what we were getting. We knew what the first half versus the second half was going to be and I think that it is a marketing issue. We had this excuse me conversation before we got on and we have to recognize that there's no true face. That's why they're still milking LeBron. That's why it's hurtful that LeBron did not play, because they're still milking, you know, the LeBron. That's why they it's hurt. It's hurtful that LeBron did not play because they're still using him. He's still like the de facto face of the NBA at, you know, 40 plus years of age. That's the problem. Him, katie, steph and obviously Steph was going to do his best because it's in his own, it's so, you know, home court basically. So what it made sense that he was going to go ahead and have fun with it.
Speaker 1But overall, when you think about it, the top 10 guys we're looking at foreign, you think about it, but even out of them we've been blessed. You know, as fans and the NBA at large that we've had guys with some type of personality. They have something to them. Jordan, you know, and you know Kobe, the Mamba mentality, jordan, and that Bulls run the Lakers, which Kobe didn't have to be necessarily so, you know, open with his personality because he was still in the Lakers, still at Shaq him, until later when he started to open up and become this Kobe that people have come to remember, you know, under, you know, recognize in the latter stages of his career.
Speaker 1So when I'm looking at it now and we talked about the Zion who it was gift wrap for him coming out of college, coming from Duke, you know a guy his size, jumping out the gym and excitement and they what they were expecting out of him. Even you know we we got a sample size of it too, and that was another thing. So you saw what he could have been and the league was just like, oh yeah, we got us another one and we thought the transition was going to be a smooth transition into, possibly, the Zion era and it never materialized, it didn't happen and it's never going to happen.
Speaker 2How I would have loved for Duke Blue Devil to be the face of the league. Yeah, happen, and it's never going to happen.
Speaker 1How I would love for duke blue devil to be the face of the league. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But they did man. For what for it? We know the reasons why. You know we couldn't push that, that plate from his face. And here we are.
Speaker 1You know, I don't see that it's going to ever happen for him. I don't care if you put him a different setting. I just don't think at this stage in his career and the injuries that he sustained and his health will allow him to be what he think he could still be, or other organizations thing. So when you look at that, you know we thought even at one point, remember, we thought the greek freak was going to be the face. But part of that, I think, comes with dominance and I don't think that there's going to be a consistent dominant player or team that's going to consist because you think about it, the bull, jordan and the bulls was a whole era. They were winning championships. On top of that, kobe, you know we can have the concert the conversation about. He had Shaq, nonetheless, kobe was we're talking about one day and one B I mean, let's be real at that stage by the second, third championship. So you're in an organization like the Lakers, we're winning and we three-peated, everything's all great. And then you move into a little bit of gap.
Speaker 1Lebron James comes in on the tail end, like midway through Kobe's career, as he's still trying to transition, but he ended up taking the reins and we see what LeBron had done. There was nobody. And then in mix of that, so you still had Steph Curry, you know, had the KDs and everything, but there's no one. Now that's going to be that dominant force that you can see. As far as American born players, that could be Luca, you know, but still not American born players. And I think that matters. You know, it matters to me.
NBA All-Star Legacy and Future
Speaker 3It's weird. It's weird Because if you look at like, let's go back to like 2010,. This is the starting lineup for the 2010 all-star game man East. Right, that do guard Allen Iverson already we started off a fire.
Speaker 2Cooking shooting guard Dwayne.
Speaker 1Wade oh see small forward LeBron James right there. Kevin Garnett man, the white Howard, all the famers, just keep going Western starters right West All-Star team.
Speaker 3Starters at one guard Steve Nash. Second guard, kobe Bryant. Small forward Carmelo Anthony. Power forward tim duncan jeez. Center amari stoudemire jeez man.
Speaker 2I mean, it's hard to stack up against that. In all fairness, you know it's impossible to stack up this is why we're spoiled.
Speaker 3This is why this is so difficult for us. You look the year before that alan iverson, again. Duane wade, lebron james, kevin garnett, dwight allard for the west, chris paul, kobe bryant, amari stoudemire, tim dunking, yaoming. Wow, like you, just you, okay. There's nothing that feels like like that. You know what I mean, where you're going, because your all-star games it was part of the subplot was who's going to be MVP? These guys were competing against the other team and themselves Like all right, he put up a three, I got to get one down myself.
Speaker 1Well, because to say that you want to MVP amongst that group, that says something. But see, this is what I would ask you guys have we been spoiled by the NBA behind storylines? I'm talking about as far as storylines, because, think about it, in addition to that you still had in the background are we going to see the meeting, finally, of these two in the finals? Because you knew that was to come for the? I mean, we were hoping for the, you know, for the kobe lebron thing. It never happened, but we were robbed, right, yeah, but nonetheless we still had another plate. Another team emerged, though you got us, I mean golden state emerged, and we didn't see that coming. But it was like we knew for that three, four year period, even five year period, like, yeah, it's going to be them two fighting for it. You know what I mean?
Speaker 3or at least golden, yeah, but there's, I think even amongst those stars that I just named there, they were punched in annually for years like 2012. The only change in that lineup was your starting guard was derrick rose, withwayne Wade, lebron James, and even at that moment, it's Derek.
Speaker 2Rose.
Speaker 3Dwight. Right, he rolls man but you had and, on the West, the only real changes you had that year. You had Chris Paul, kobe Bryant, kevin Durant.
Speaker 1Blake Griffin.
Speaker 3Andrew Bynum.
Speaker 2You know what? I think he's a bit of an outlier in that, but yeah, he's definitely an outlier in that bunch.
Speaker 3but even to that point, but it's the height of Lakers, it goes to your point of like there is still this moment in time where these guys are just cranking it out. If you look 2013,. Chris Paul, kobe Bryant, kevin Durant, blake Griffin, dwight Howard same players, players they're just jumping to different conferences. 2013 rajon rondo duane with lebron james, carmelo anthony, kevin durant. 2014 steph curry, kobe bryant, kevin durant, blake griffin, kevin love, carmelo anthony paul, george, lebron, james kairi, irving dune Wade, like that cycle.
Speaker 1You just look over that five year period and it's like Ain't much, but that's what made even more like an honor, because the fact that I made it to even, let's just say, be on the bench with these guys, I made it to play with these guys.
Speaker 2I'm going to get a little bit of time and be on the same floor as these.
Speaker 1You know, at this point those guys were well established, I think. But that's the difference too. A lot of those guys you're talking about, chris, they came into the league and it didn't take long before they started to make an impact. A lot of those guys you saw it didn't take. We you kind of knew like okay, melo, and them like, yeah, they're going to be something.
Speaker 3Yeah, I was a huge Melo fan coming out of the game.
Speaker 2Yeah, I remember you were the one who first moved on Melo. I remember who really was More you're right.
Speaker 3The way this dude moves at this size and in this weight. He was almost like the prequel to Zion, because he wasn't nearly as big. But the way he was able to get off the floor at four as big as he was, coupled with the fact that he could shoot, coupled with the fact that a post move was still something that he had. I was like this dude. If anything, these two should be co-rookie of the year. I was on that train and to this day I think Melo could have been co-rookie with Braun.
Speaker 1You'd almost argue he had a better yeah, yeah, you guys are.
Speaker 3I get it. We're crowning them and he's living up to the hype, but at the same time I was man. Team mellow was was a real thing for me for sure, yeah, you definitely was.
Speaker 2Did mellow go to the playoffs? His rookie season led him to the playoffs, didn't he? I believe? So, yeah, I want to say yeah, that Mello was. He was nice, you definitely knew he was coming.
Speaker 2Yeah, he definitely put the league on notice, but you know again, see we even mentioned those rosters, like when, like I mentioned earlier, that was the the good who's who of NBA superstars, like there were enough stars back then to make an entire constellation. Now you just got a couple of isolated stars in the sky, you know, I mean, it's like lebron, we're 25 years into the 21st century and we're still talking about lebron ramon james. What are we doing? Like we got to find a replacement?
Speaker 2I mean the closest thing we got to the face of the league is yannis. I can't think of anybody else in terms of like star power popularity. I mean maybe Luka, I'm not sure. I've never seen him like any major.
Speaker 3Ant-Man, I think it's coming along.
Speaker 2You think so? He seems to be more popular than Giannis, but it's still not enough to make it still not enough to fill that cup.
Speaker 1It came with Dominus. There was a time when those names were synonymous with dominance and championships. You know what I mean. Like when you, when you say Kobe, we know Lakers five time, you understand what I'm saying. Like it came with that, jordan magic, lebron, steph KD got up in there. They came with a period of dominance. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1That is not necessarily. I think that we have to stop looking at it from that view and saying, because Yannis already won one, there was a, he went on a great run when he won, when he won the championship, but the sustaining of that as far as team and being in it in the finals, that's what it. I think that's another thing that we've been spoiled, because there's always been a dominant team. There's always been, you know, a dominant player who's regarded as the best player on the best team or up there as the with the best team. That's always going to be competing for championships and we don't see that and in the all star except for, I guess, you I mean, like I said, even with, considered the Luka trade, we hope that they win championships, but that move, I mean we have to see what all that entails as far as bringing people on and how we draft, how we do the trades, all that. But so we're just. We were just. You know what we're hoping we're still talking about. We were just. You know what we're hoping. We're still talking about. We hope Think about it as big as some of these players have been Luka and we talk about the Giannis' and so on, all these foreign players and Wimby coming along, we still can't put our finger on it. We hope that goes ahead and becomes the next great American player. But that's so up in the air.
Speaker 1Because part of that man, these guys, the guys you know, obviously LeBron and before that Kobe and Jordan and all these other you know great players, all-time greats. They want it to be great and I think I don't know if championships matter like that anymore. So part of the issue was these guys wanted to, you know, outdo jordan. That's the standard six, right, because before that was magic and that's the reason why jordan went to six, because he wanted to beat magic. So we can claim that like, hey, I got one more and everybody was chasing that. I don't know if these guys and part of it comes from, I don't know if they said that that gil mentality was like what's more? What do I want more? You know, a MVP or a championship. Like Kobe as great as many you know, he had MVPs it wouldn't mean nothing if his career, if he couldn't have a championship.
Speaker 1And I always say everybody like, well, that's the end of it. No, listen, you play the game to win at the highest level. You want to win that. And well, what if my career? Like, no, see that Gilbert Arenas mentality, I think, is starting to catch wave and I'm not with that. And this is where you start to get the players, where it's about me, me, me and, if I can, amongst my contemporaries, if, if I win, if I get the mvp, if I put up some good numbers, I'm okay with that. I'm gonna get the check and and you know that'll be enough I get the big contract where our generations it was about. We knew the money would come as long as we would play at our full potential, that all that stuff is going to come. But I'm gonna, I'm focusing on winning.
Speaker 1And just looking at that all-star game, I I mean man, I almost wanted to draw tears because I just never thought I'd see a day where we got that low.
Speaker 1It wasn't just the look, it was the lack of energy and the lack of awareness to be like I know, hey, we have to put on a show for the fans.
Speaker 1At least the fact that they didn't give it's like we didn't give a damn I'm like man a show, the fact that they didn't give it's like we didn't give a damn, like man a show, what you mean? I'm just here to go ahead and practice these three pointers and jack them up, which that's the today's nba anyway, and maybe that's another thing, maybe that we were looking for something and we have to realize, if you give nba players a chance to go ahead and freelance and just do it up, this is what we're gonna get. Man, I always want to shoot that three. Let me go ahead and jack it up. This is what we're going to get. Man, I always wanted to shoot that three. Let me go ahead and jack it up. I'm going to continue. Like you know, you've seen it, they were jacking up threes and especially like, hey, if I can get to the first to 40.
Speaker 1Right, right, the game to 40. Let me go ahead and jack. Eight Three-pointers will get you there faster. We're not.
Speaker 2I play in defense, so the mere fact that the NBA is essentially resorting to gimmicks to sell an all-star game is telling enough. This new format is nothing more than that. It was, like you said, chris. It was a drawn-out conclusion to what we already knew, like it was pretty much what it was going to be A two or three-point shooting contest.
Speaker 3Pretty much, man, and that's what we are.
Speaker 2Only a few more people than you normally would have had, but other than that, yeah, I agree and you know, if we don't ever remedy or find a remedy to the all-star game which we mean we may never do that, uh, at least we can figure out a way. Well, we have in some sense, uh to remedy the dunk contest, and we've done that with matt mcclung. Uh, I do the first three time and this is the the one thing I hate that LeBron never can, that he never competed in Yep, that was the one thing. Like he kind of robbed NBA fans of the ability to see LeBron James in a dunk contest like that. I would have loved to have seen that where, whether he went, wins or not, honestly, of the three Jordan, kobe, lebron he's the only ones not competing or win a dunk contest. Not to say that, that that's any kind of measuring stick or that you know what I mean you have to win that to be compared to my.
Speaker 3Yeah, when you start stacking yourself against the greats, it's one of those accolades where it's like you never even tried. Yeah, so somebody's gonna look at that and be like, yeah, and if anybody should have been I mean at the height of his, please that that would have been a show. Could you imagine if you had time Because I mean, even at this age he's still putting it down but to have him and a Blake Griffin and a Dwight Howard or some of the competitions he could have had man, it was just a lost opportunity.
Speaker 2And even this dunk contest as entertaining as it was at least for one contestant, like for Mac McClung it was great. He did a wonderful job. He definitely entertained, he did his part. I can't knock him. But the fact that we're having again to go and I don't want to say scrape the barrel, but I mean you're talking about guys who don't even really make rosters. I'm not even sure if Mack McClung has been on the roster the entire year, on the roster the entire year. Is he officially on the roster or did they pull him up just in time to be in the dunk contest? For the last three years he's been the only shining. He really has been the only shining part of the dunk contest. That's crazy in and of itself that NBA stars are not contestants in the dunk contest. At the very least, your competitive nature should make you at least want to win that you get a couple of three-point shooting contests but the dunk contest is like can we get that if nothing else?
Speaker 2fellas, can you not fill us on that?
Speaker 3Funny thing is you got people like John Moran tweeting man. This dude was going to make me want to come out and get in the dunk contest. That's exactly me I might want to run about.
Speaker 1Okay, well, hey, bring it. What are you waiting on? Let's get everybody. That used to be the one thing that you can count on.
Speaker 2We knew, okay, the game wasn't all that great.
Revitalizing the NBA All-Star Weekend
Speaker 1But that. Saturday night man, like I said, we wanted to make sure we were sitting in the seat to watch that. Now, literally, I watched it on YouTube after it was over. Oh, I forgot they had it. So you know what? Let me ask you this because. I believe that it's not too late for LeBron, I think even at his age now. If you heard that he was going to enter the dunk contest next year, you know how many people it would be a sight to see. Regardless, if he wins.
Speaker 2No, I think so it's too late now. I don't think interest ain't quite. I mean, it would be just for the sake of it, it would be for his name, I think he's still explosive enough that you see a 40 plus year old man still getting up there. It would just be his name selling the dunk contest. We would not be expecting that man to do a whole lot of that.
Speaker 1No, we wouldn't Nobody's going to expect him to win or anything to bring the fanfare and everything else that comes with it. I think he can still pull. You imagine if, like I said, ja, Zach, and you say LeBron, I'm telling you they're going to come watch it. Think about this, even if it's to see him fail and just look like he's an old man.
Speaker 3Changing of the guard.
Speaker 1Right, you imagine him just coming out Because think about it. What if he does it and wins? Because for some you know he got enough pup in his step. He getting up there and it's like look at this dude.
Speaker 1Let's be honest, they'd be biased because the fact that he just came out I mean, if you got guys like the KGs of the world sitting behind and it's like, yeah, there might have been a 48, it's a 50 tonight, like they right, I could totally see you here, can you see, uh, your boy garnett, no, no, lord, he, no lord, he 40 plus lord did it.
Speaker 1Lord, yeah, no, lord, lebron's the greatest lord he did. Yeah, see, that's what I'm saying. I think that it would just bring it. I'm not listen, I would love to, would love to see it. I'm not going to even lie to you, because I think LeBron can still get up for his age. Listen, I don't expect him to do it every night.
Speaker 2But it would have been better to see him at his peak when he was young. Obviously we wouldn't have seen him when he was young. Now he's in a window of his career.
Speaker 1I ain't trusting him. That gray bearded with all up in his hair, looking fresh, just going up for a dunk and it looks good.
Speaker 2The last real superstar caliber player, at least in personality, was Blake Griffin, who competed in dunk contests in the morning. I mean, even though, listen, the thing about Mack McClellan that was so impressive was that he didn't do what Blake Griffin did. He didn't jump over the lowest part of the car he went over the highest part of the car. I mean he really got up. I mean, say what you want, but you know they say white men can't jump.
Speaker 1That one gets up. And what is it like? 6'2", 6'3".
Speaker 2Yeah, that was really impressive. Yeah, I mean he has enough creativity, Like he made it really entertaining.
Speaker 3And it was a first.
Speaker 1Like it wasn't even a full on. Let me look and I'm hopping over somebody. Yeah, he definitely did another thing. Do you mix in the G League dunkers? Do you allow them to come? I think you should.
Speaker 2Robert, let's be honest. That's essentially what you're doing with Mack McClellan. I'm not even being a dickhead. I'm just telling you like that's the truth like, that's just what it is.
Speaker 1Let me ask you this would it have been better to do this?
Speaker 2no again, shout out to. Stephens Castle. He did a pretty good. He did a decent job at trying to fend off the white boy, but it didn't work out.
Speaker 1I would have loved to see the G League all-stars play against the NBA all-stars for what?
Speaker 2no, no, but it's like some type see the G League. The G League All-Stars play against the NBA All-Stars.
Speaker 1What, no, no, but it's like some type of mixture of it, just to see. I need to see something to bring out the energy in them.
Speaker 3That or it has to be something, I think you'd be better off in like a dunk tournament where it's a single elimination, where you've got G League on one side of the bracket versus NBA. You probably have a better chance there because at least with that it's more about the, the skills, the athleticism and and creativity, where, okay, that kind of goes across the league. A lot of them, g league guys, are just where. It's like you are G league for a reason you know good, bad or indifferent. It's like you couldn't take him off his spot. So to watch that actually go down would be like. Only thing is they probably be way more hungry because they're like look, we're playing against the NBA also. So other than that, you might get a little something out of it, but yeah, Even if it was they earned a 10-day contract, the MVP or something.
Speaker 1Let's just say we start off with the skills, the Saturday festivities. I think they should be able to all fully participate together in everything, because it's about they're hungry, so they're going to make everything competitive. They're not going to take it like, oh man, I'm just here. No, because I'm happy that we have this opportunity. Well, they're audition. Going to take it like, oh man, I'm just here? No, because I'm happy. I'm happy that we have this opportunity.
Speaker 3Well, they're auditioning yeah, they're still trying to get called up, so, yeah, that would be competitive, even a skills challenge really, like we've thrown a ball through a hoop. It's bounce passes. Don't get me wrong, I love a good fundamental, teach them, coach them and all that. But at the end of the day it's like, yeah, like are we really watching you go through, basically cones and you know, all right, I'm going to go make a layup as a 6'10" who cares? Like stop, there's got to be something better.
Speaker 2They actually do this during halftime and breaks during actual yeah, they bring fans down to do that, like I don't want to see the pros doing it, you know what there has to be.
Speaker 1I think there has to be some type of culmination for the saturday slam dunk contest, not just g lee, but we're in. We're in a time where we have the top entertainers through youtube, dunkers and everything like that. That'd be a beautiful thing to bring all that in, because at the end of the day, we want to see just some, we want to see great dunks, we want to see some energy.
Speaker 3I think there's a way for the slam dunk contest we used to have that we used to get a Terrell Owens and some of these guys who played basketball and would put on a pretty decent no, no, no put on a pretty decent no.
Speaker 1No, I'm not talking about football, I'm talking about, yeah, like these all-star I mean youtube's high flying, dunking out the gym 50 inch verticals with these wild you know tricks. I would love to, because, listen, it's just slam, dunk, it's this. We're not talking about playing the all-star game, but I would say somehow even having something for them, and then you have your three winners, or four winners, however you want to categorize it, and then they competed out in the final. And that would because, listen, we just want to be entertained dunk wise.
Speaker 2Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1If it comes from the era up there junior, something from you know out of whatever state that he got all the YouTube views and everybody he goes there, has to be something that can kind of revitalize that Saturday. I think you start with the Saturday. Revitalize that because there was a time, like I said, you couldn't get around. We knew Saturday was going to be somehow entertaining on a Saturday.
Speaker 3At the very least.
Speaker 1Yeah, sunday was just a main, that was just seeing the big dogs and, like you said, when you wrote, man, when you read off that list, that was just one year, but that's just how it happened, man, those we're talking about.
Speaker 1Then you start going to the bench players and getting to the reserves. You'd be like, man, them dudes were these are starters right, still are all stars. They just weren't better than, you know, the d wades and the mellows, but they were still, you know, real all-stars in their own right. That were real solid players. But I think silver is gonna, you know, he's gonna go back and he's gonna analyze this and realize like, yeah, there has to be something drastic. I don't know what it is, you know, maybe, maybe saturday night and the dunk contest will be the crescendo for the weekend.
Speaker 2That's just what it'll be. Um, you had an idea, though, robert. I think it'd be pretty fun, never mind just the nba right. There was a time when, I mean, it wasn't a part of the all-star weekend, but it would be real cool to see. I'm not sure if anybody anybody remembers when they would bring like stars from baseball and football. I think the last one it was like Barry Bonds, ken Griffith.
Speaker 1Jr.
Speaker 2Michael Irvin from the NFL, deion Sanders, you had NFL MLB players and a dunk contest against NBA players, like that'd be pretty fun Cause you got to remember, a lot of these guys are multi-sport athletes. These guys have played everything. A lot of these guys may have lettered in high school, may have gotten letters of intent or even may have been recruited by teams you know from other sports, like maybe I'm sure Deion Sanders, you know, according to his claims, may have been recruited heavily from D1 schools for a basketball offer, right. So I'm sure, across different sports a lot of these athletes are. You know they excel in more than one. So there's a chance it would be fun to see.
Speaker 2You do have some guys who play football who are basketball players and vice versa, some baseball players. You know that would be cool. That would be cool. I mean, at the very least you get some big names and that brings a draw to that. And if that's, if that's the height of the entire all-star weekend, so be it. The game maybe we can't fix that, that's just what it is, but you know enough with the all-star, you know there's not much more to be said about that that we haven't already said, or that that won't be said or hasn't been said.
Speaker 2So, with that being said, I want to get to uh lucas debut as a laker man I'm just, I was trying to check the numbers, uh you know his debut so for those of you who aren't aware um, his debut was against the utah jazz utah jazz which um pretty good showing in terms of his stats at the very least, like you know it was okay, but you can tell he's still for the limited time that he's still coming back from the injury, but it wasn't.
Luka and LeBron's Offensive Potential
Speaker 1yeah. So the first two, the first two games, they were what I expected, but what I, you know, it's very apparent that it's gonna have to be some, it's gonna be some adjustment playing with lebron james and we just don't know what that's going to look like because I don't know the headspace LeBron James is in and that's what worries me. Is he already starting to check out because there is a true realization that this ain't your show? Not at all. It didn't then have to run nothing by you because, luca, I think it may be an issue for him on how to play.
Speaker 1I think he's trying to figure out LeBron, like, what I, what should I do? You know, and there was clearly a game that the second game that he came back, we needed him to be Luca. As far as, like, you just go attack and shoot, and I think, because LeBron's on the team, it hindered him and his movement and his action, things that he would just do without cause. As far as just attacking a rim, you know, shooting the ball, he's always a great, he's an excellent passer. So we know he's going to do that, but I think there were times where he was trying to say, okay, is it my time? Or, lebron, do you want to do it? And I think that he was kind of indecisive in that. It was clear in the second game when we needed him to be, you know, more aggressive. So it's going to take some time. Luka's going to be Luka. I think everything's going to be fine. But boy, that defense, that lack thereof, oh goodness, gracious that's got to be addressed.
Speaker 2That's got to be addressed, and you can't address it with. Luka yeah the scoring can only do so much, jesus.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's why I said this year's a wash. I don't know what second year's going to look like. Hey, listen Us not missing that big man. Oh, it's so apparent, oh yeah.
Speaker 2If the plan is to put up 140 a game, you might have a chance at going pretty deep in the playoffs. Just on offense alone, right, that team is talented enough to do so Consistently. I don't know, but certainly in the playoffs. I won't say 140 in the playoffs.
Speaker 1So you think, bucket for bucket, we have it, we have a chance.
Speaker 2You know why I say that Possibly they may be the team to kind of break the myth defense wins championships. Because you always hear, like well, what is this thing, I can't remember exactly Like a good offense beats a better defense, some shit to that extent, right. So, with that being said, like, how does that work in in the macro? Like, can that work overall in terms of like success, team success? Can you win it all on offense? Can they be the first team to prove that offense can win championships if you have better offense and defense. Because it's not like you have defensive juggernauts in nba, like at teams like they're not playing like this, like the warriors were, when they're winning championships, like these. Aren't that in terms of iq, in terms of the game planning, like they, these teams aren't that? You don't, you don't have spurs teams out there that you're running up against these defensive buzz saws? Um, so maybe, like I mean, I'm not saying it'll happen, it's not very likely at all, but um, yeah, okay, it ain't likely, I'm just saying.
Speaker 2But if there is a team and if lebron and luca can figure out whatever their, their synergy and chemistry is because, mind you, luca's only played what he's on a men's restriction he's played no more than 25, 24 minutes. I want to say, in the debut against the jazz on the 10th um, he played 24 minutes, 14 rebounds, five assists and he had some other stats, um, when he and lebron, the best part about that game was not just his performance, it was the fact that when he and lebron are on the court, they were like a plus 17 or something. Take lebron out of the mix. They, you know, a plus minus wasn't so hot, but when Luka and LeBron are on the court, in terms of together, their plus minus is incredible.
LeBron and Luka Succession Plan
Speaker 1We have two games that we should win. You know quite easily that. You know, prepare us, because next Saturday is when we play the Nuggets and that's when I want to see if Luka kind of got his feet underneath him and everything. But I really, I think that's what they're trying to do ease him in these next two games Because you know, I mean I think we play the Hornets and I think the Jazz again, I mean they'll play the Trailblazers, the Hornets and the Trailblazers. So I think those are the warm-up games and then we're going to unleash them. I'm pretty sure that when we play next Saturday against the Nuggets, that's going to be probably the most minutes he's probably going to have played in a Laker uniform, no doubt, and it wouldn't shock me if he just unleashed him. Lebron by A, because we know well I'll say this that'll be our only hope because we have no big bad. So that's going to be. You know what you got Alex Lynn. Now he might's going to be.
Speaker 2you know what you got Alex Lynn he might provide some.
Speaker 1Yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 2I'm not selling him. See what I'm saying. No, no, we're going to have to put up.
Speaker 1We're going to have to put up 135, 140 to probably win that game, cause you can. I can see that game. It could be it can go left so fast because we don't have defense and we don't have ad, even though ad didn't fail as well. But if he didn't fare well, what do we expect our center now to do? So I expect you know what the thing is now.
Speaker 2You don't need you don't need a dynamic big. You don't need a dominant big.
Speaker 1you need a solid defensive big at least that can play defense and rebound Right. But yeah, but I'm talking about super solid. Still be aggressive, you know, but you're still playing against the Nuggets.
Speaker 2That's still going to be a tough thing for our big and be a lob threat, of course, because you've got LeBron and Luka yeah you definitely want to be a lob threat.
Speaker 1I think LeBron's going to work it out. I think he's going to work it out. I think he's going to figure it out. But I keep hearing this thing like LeBron has to give it to him. I don't like that. I don't like that.
Speaker 2Listen, if he's anything we think he is, I don't think it will require all that. I think he has the gumption to go out and get it himself. He's not waiting for LeBron to invite him or to offer it to him.
Speaker 1Well, no, as far as handing the team over to him and I'm like you can't hand, listen when you're trying to be a part or be the next guy up I think that it would be a disservice and it can't happen. Where a guy hands it to him, you have to take it?
Speaker 2Of course not.
Speaker 1That won't be the case you have to take it, and I think Luka will, because, I mean, there's nothing stopping him.
Speaker 2Let's be honest, even if he doesn't right now, it's kind of his team Like listen it hasn't shown, but LeBron is going to have to take a backseat. That's just what it is.
Speaker 1Well, it ain't shown but the writing's on the wall.
Speaker 2Oh, no doubt.
Speaker 1Yeah, LeBron, you know being responsible with your body and all that to rub off on him. That's what they really want. If they win now, if they don't win, they could care less. Honestly, they already know what it is they're like. Hey, we just want to pick up some of these good habits from LeBron James. We want him to start working out with his body, start taking things a little bit more serious and let some of that wisdom and IQ that we know that Luca has but LeBron has a different level being that he's one at the highest level and he's dominated for so long he can kind of impart that wisdom and knowledge to Luca, and Luca the following year, as we build around him, will become and ascend to the next great you know, and essentially that's all on LeBron to train this replacement.
Speaker 2That's what I'm hearing.
Speaker 1That's exactly what they come on Now. You think they really have LeBron James on that team and they didn't trade them because you know they couldn't. They could have gotten assets, but they understand we're going to let LeBron James go off, which I don't think. I. I think that's what I'm. I'm wondering what's in lebron's head, because if he's truly at a point where he's set and saying, hey man, it is what it is, I'm not gonna win any more championships, then he'll willingly do it. But if in his mind he thinks he can win championships, he's really setting up his exit right now. He may not be, as he may be like hey, luca, do what you. You know what I mean like that passive, aggressive. It's like, hey, luca, you already know what to do. Do you? You got it bro. Like, hey you, you got the guy. You said he's the man. You don't consult me with anything, let him figure it out. I will see if lebron would be that.
Speaker 2But I don't think that's his attitude and disposition.
Speaker 1No, I don't think so either, but we just don't know in the sense of if he wasn't, because unless he's prepared and he's okay with not which I just don't believe LeBron's not he's okay with not winning another championship. Because this is what the Lakers have said Just because they grabbed Luka, they're saying we're not focused on winning a championship now, we're looking towards the future. We had that with you and AD. We thought that we could win with you and AD and once we realized in our mind that we probably couldn't, it was time to move on, because they didn't want to make any moves so that AD could play the four and we have another big. They could have made a move for somebody. They chose not to. They only wanted to do it after they traded AD for getting Luka.
Speaker 2Yeah, AD asked for some reinforcements and they shipped him out to Dallas Right, which means that they knew it, they knew the writing was on the wall.
Speaker 1And I don't think LeBron James, it's going to come out at some point, because there's no way you can tell me LeBron James took it that easy. I think he's just being, you know, he's being the you know the professional that he is and he's just going to say all the right things. But you can't tell me a man of his caliber or his stature, colby wouldn't have gone for it, colby would have not gone for it, he wouldn't have there, kobe would have not gone for it, he wouldn't. There's no way. I understand Kobe has a different cachet with the Lakers but nonetheless they're still you know, all time greats. They're still goats in their own right and I don't think LeBron James has taken it. Well, it's just that I have to say the right things. That's always been what I, you know, in my career I've tried, at least you know, to say the right things and to portray this. You know, stand up, you know responsible, you know NBA player. I just think that what comes with that is, for the first time, lebron James, the whole world's seeing it, because I don't know if we've ever seen you know what I'm trying to think. I've never seen this before in the NBA of a guy of LeBron James stature. That never happened with Jordan Sure, didn't happen with Kobe, didn't happen with magic. This is the first time that I've seen a guy at LeBron James level being considered still the best in the league, them getting your replacement and not saying, you know, eventually he replaced them. They showed you in so many ways like no, this begins now. This is the Luke era, not when you retire, you know, because if this would have been Kobe, they would have got a guy and it says, yeah, he's there to replace Kobe Once Kobe retires.
Speaker 1They're telling. They're telling Luca, luca, your, this is your team now, with LeBron James still playing at a level that he's playing at right now. You can't tell me that doesn't, because if a competitive person like LeBron, you couldn't tell me that that doesn't have some type of effect on him. He's just, he may not be saying it, but I know it's affecting him. He may not be saying it, but I know it's affecting him. That's because nobody's bigger than the game and the business side of it, but certain people you thought were immune to it when you were able to get to that level the Lakers. To me. That's telling in so many ways that you were never truly a Laker, because the Lakers are known for.
Speaker 1Let me treat my superstars a certain way. Well, I won't say that because, besides Magic and Kobe, shaq didn't get done that way. There was other guys who didn't get done that way. They didn't get that love. But for Kobe, for LeBron James not to get it, that's.
Speaker 1And I think that we're going to find out a lot about Luka. Not this year, let's let this year go by. It's the offseason going into next year. The Lakers are going to make a decision if Luka because I don't think Luka's going to want to leave because the opportunity where he's going to go he can go anywhere but to be a part of a franchise like the Lakers, we'll see if he wants to go ahead and take that challenge on and become the next Laker. Great, I just want to see. It's about his actions afterwards. You know what I mean. This year is a wash. I'm not tripping off of it. He's going to put up his numbers when he gets his full footing and it gets back into a playing shape. Excuse me all the way, but it's next year in the offseason. You'll know right then and there. If LeBron James rubbed off. If you start hearing these, you know, oh man, he's in the greatest shape of his career. That that you know stuff like that, I don't know where on the sun.
Speaker 2I won't say this season is a wash, but I don't think.
Speaker 1Okay, so let me. What are your real expectations?
Speaker 2Never mind my expectations. When you say a wash, I'm thinking of a team that doesn't make the playoffs, put out in the first round. You know what I mean, we'll make it.
Speaker 2It just won't culminate in a championship. I mean I don't when you got guys like LeBron and Luka together again. Like LeBron and Luka together again, if they can find their stride and they can figure out how to play together, if JJ can figure out a way to figure out a scheme or something that works for them on a consistent basis and in the right lineup, ain't no telling right, sky's the limit. Let's be honest when you got two superstars that they are their caliber I mean truly superstar, caliber players, all world elite players anything could happen. And as much as I loved AD in terms of his ability to play on both ends of the floor, yeah, he gives you a whole lot more, but all around ability not all around, but I should say at least ability as a scorer. It's Luka all day. They can figure it out.
Speaker 2Well, but I just don't think it's a watch I'm not willing to go that far.
Speaker 1It's going to go backwards, because whatever happens this year, my expectations won't be that for next year. Because I don't know. I said this off. You know we had this conversation, you know, a couple days ago, just talking, and I said, as much as I love LeBron, it's messed up for the Lakers because he sustained his skill set and dominance for so long. It's unprecedented. No one's ever seen somebody play this long. So it makes it harder, like, yeah, I understand it.
Speaker 1On one hand we're saying it's over with, we're looking for, you know, to go a different direction and from the stats you'd be like what are you talking about? But we're looking at his age, you know, approaching mid-40s, like brah, brah, come on, now it's time to change. And how long, you know? They say lebron james completely thinks he can play another three, four years. Man, I'm sorry, love you bron, but we can't hold on that much. We can't do that. I can see now where he's at this point. I would say he's kind of like holding a franchise hostage in a sense. And there is and unfortunately there's a hard decision that was made and you know what after this season may have to get made it again, because, if I'm a Laker because I can't say I can't pick up someone else.
LeBron and Luka's Future Impact
Speaker 1Do you try to give away LeBron for an open up salary cap or and say, hey, where do you, where would you like to go to finish off your career? Because, let's say, he wants to play another two years, local be 27. Do we want to waste any time? No, I mean honestly, do you want to waste two years until LeBron James falls off and retires before we can continue on this rebuilding process? Because nothing can be around LeBron. He can't be a part of the. I just I don't think he can be a part of it. I don't think he can be a part of that process. He can't be on the team to fully do it the way you need to and I know it sounds crazy, I'm a LeBron fan. I love LeBron. He's my goat, you know for you know, ultimately, you know for the last, I wouldn't say two generations, you know.
Speaker 1But when I think about it, moving forward from a business perspective because of his greatness is almost like a gift and a curse. Yes, you're averaging 20 plus points, a game. You're still, you know, effective and a factor, but you're in your 40s and that's where it's. Yeah, we know what you're doing, but you're in you 42, 43, brother. Like I can't depend on that, you know I just I don't know it's.
Speaker 1It's an odd place and this is something that you know the Lakers no other organization has been as this, so this is like uncharted territory. To have been in a place where you have, you know, your best player also be your oldest in the in the damn league. You know what I mean. Like it's an odd place to be in. It's crazy, because you know you want to move forward, but it's like you feel bad doing it. You know it's not like you're letting the old man down. Like man, you know what's coming. Man, you know you're only here for namesake. You know you're only averaging seven points a game. That's not even the case. You can't get up and down the court. He's still putting the show on. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1And I think it wouldn't shock me if they had talks in the offseason about like, hey, lebron, you know you're going to have to help us out here.
Speaker 1Let's just say they say where would you like to go after this season? Because what you're going to see next year, I don't think they want to see what a LeBron and Luka look like next year, it doesn't matter, because unless they feel like they can win it all, like, yeah, I'd rather start this process now and start getting some guys in and building and gelling with that young nucleus that we're going to have presumably through the trade and draft and move forward with it young nucleus that we're going to have presumably through the trade and draft, and move forward with it and move on from it. Because, like I was saying, I just don't believe that even the Laker organization truly looked at him as a true Laker. So I don't think he's ever captured that, because it wouldn't have gone if they really thought that they would have never done Kobe this way, because we know what Kobe meant to the Lake organization and to the lake, to the city of Los Angeles. Lebron James hasn't captured that. You know there's a lot that.
Speaker 3Yeah, I think that the challenge LeBron has always faced is one you're not Kobe, you're not magic, you're not these guys who played their entire careers in purple and gold For even us, if you think about it. We watched Kobe come up in our hometown, you know. We sat there and went through everything with him, from rise to fall to rise again, and I think when you have LeBron, who's gone from a couple of teams, come over, it's not going to be the same, but a lot of that come over, it's not going to be the same, but a lot of that. To me that falls on the organization. After that, after that bubble championship, they should have done way more. Considering where he's at in his career and how he's still producing that. They have failed him in some, in some regards. I think at this point for him it's a matter of comfort. Family loves it here, it's great weather, it's business ventures and all those things. So I don't think he moves.
Speaker 3I just think the Lakers were not in a place. Not that they couldn't have been just between Rob, between Jeannie Rambo whoever else you want to blame but they just. To me, as a Laker fan, him and AD should have had another one before AD was out of here. In my opinion, up to this point I think they could have had a few more opportunities. We could have done things a little bit better. Going back to Westbrook and I know we've revisited and I'm not going to get into all of that, but I do think there were just a couple of things that went off the rails that they just didn't have time to recover from. Luca brings up a very interesting point because by all means, in every facet, dallas is like they've had to beef up security for their GM, like well I guess it?
Speaker 3like they, they, they by, like, by all measurements. They are like you messed this up. Yeah, this was some buddy.
Speaker 1This is right buddy y'all didn't screw us for years to come.
Speaker 3Yeah, y'all didn't even open it up to the league, to where we could have got more, so there there's a level of like yeah, this is an inside job that they're not going to recover from. The question, though, is do we actually benefit from it the way we're supposed to? And I think that still remains to be seen.
Speaker 1Like you, yeah but that's what I'm really saying.
Speaker 2I can't reiterate this enough, man is not only did you well, I won't say they think nico failed them, but you sabotage this for the Lakers. Anybody else, maybe the Rockets?
Speaker 1you can keep it in state.
Speaker 2Send Lucas somewhere else, but you can't send him to the Lakers. That's the ultimate shot to the heart to see that happen.
Speaker 1It didn't hurt either that AD got injured.
Speaker 3Well, all the bigs got injured so it doesn't help that you got a taste of what he could be in the half. You lost him, you lost Gafford, you lost. I mean, everybody went down In dominant fashion.
Speaker 1he showed you for a half, like no, in a quarter, I'm sorry like eight he was looking like New Orleans AD. I'm sure he let going to bring to the table and then you get injured and then you as a significant injury. It's going to take you out for some significant time. So you see that Right? So that's why I'm just like man and I said that on the last spot.
Speaker 3You know it's going to look like if this all fails with Nico that, bro, you did the homie hook up and mortgaged away our future just to hook your homie up because, like let's let's not take him out of there, and not just with the, with the mavericks we're talking about never work in this town again. By this time I mean all of them yeah, your mba man.
Speaker 1Well, maybe would it be cold. Everybody gets done like that and try to go over to rob and be robbie, like can't do nothing for your mate, like hey, that's what it is, you didn't have to make that trade, I didn't come to you, you came to me, you chose me. That's why I say again, offseason is going to be so telling, because that's going to let me know the dedication that Luka has. If I don't see the dedication factor, the Lakers are going to see it too and be like If I don't see the dedication factor, the Lakers are going to see it too and be like, hmm, yeah.
Speaker 3I don't know. I think it's a blessing in disguise they got their pick back.
Speaker 1Yeah, not well, and not to mention.
Speaker 3Chris, I think he'll be able to maneuver and do a few more things with a guy, and even the rumblings was that he don't want to go back to Charlotte, so it'll be a buyout. You might get him on an open market. You might get him on an open market right now that you could. You imagine getting him on an open market after you just had a pick, a pick, swap, a shooter, all of that and you can't recover. And now it's like now I'm going there for pennies to the dollar. Now, on top of that, after another trip, man, you, yeah, yeah. How does one?
Speaker 2team that almost be more interesting than the All-Star game was. Yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah, how does one team?
Speaker 2continue to get this damn lucky all the time. Rich kid Richard.
Speaker 1And the Lakers in the driver's seat being that, guess what? We ain't on the hook for the Supermax right now. He got three years before he's eligible for that again. So we can still get them at a decent rate. See, and, and you'll know, in them three years. Like, yeah, brother, we don't see it, you're just gonna be a superstar, but you don't have the. You know, we know, we've been, we've been around greatness long enough to know. Like, yeah, brother, you don't want it.
Speaker 3I think you know what I mean catastrophic injury. They're gonna pay him one way or another, whether he produced next year or not, because the potential for what he can be is enough for this particular ownership group.
Speaker 1Well, they'll pay him, but they don't have to pay him. They can give him a three-year contract, because he's not even eligible for three years. Yeah, he probably wants that.
Speaker 3He wants to be able to get out and get that big money.
Speaker 1So for both parties it would be great. Lakers say I'm going to give you a three and you know we are, they could try to because he's an. Obviously his, his agent won't even allow him to do a four year. That just not going to like, nah, we're going to do three and at the end of that three you already know what time it is, cause that's super max, ain't no telling what it'd be for him then in three years it'll be something, it'll be some ridiculous number that's going to be like obviously it'll be some never seen before contract in NBA history. But I think that you're, you're, you're, see, that's what it is. See, we're we're. I think the league is scared because we're hitting uncharted territory, we hitting baseball, baseball contract numbers you know what I mean, and that's what worries them Like that's a large number to commit to.
Speaker 2I got to tell y'all man. I wonder like how do they justify them numbers and where do they really get that money from? Because is baseball?
Speaker 1breaking it in like that on the low, you know what I mean. Like you're giving dudes— 700 mil— Listen, literally, literally three quarters of a billion dollars to hit a ball.
Speaker 2Now, granted it's, it's the hardest thing to do in professional sports, probably other than maybe hitting a golf tee right like that. That takes a level of concentration that I don't even understand. But, um, a ball coming at you 100 miles per hour or more and having to hit that to get to base safely three out of ten times that, I mean 30, that's that. That. That is a pretty good success for baseball. 30 any other anywhere else, you out of a job nba. If you're shooting 30 from the field free throw like you are, you're not playing in the league unless you're playing some great damn defense if you were in the nfl and you only make 30 of your field goals you might have to be, pretty much yeah, pretty much, and he would.
Speaker 2Even he probably didn't shoot that terrible, he didn't. No, he did. You know, he didn't have many opportunities but um, yeah, that that kind of money is crazy and I'm still like, how are they paying these contracts? Like I know, there are only a handful of teams who were seeing like sellouts and reaching record numbers every year, which I just consider Dodgers, I think.
Speaker 3Jersey sales make a baseball jersey sales that are hitting like maybe not baseball, but I mean, if you look at just what Bronny did with his 50 million in sales just be like just when he got drafted, I think there there is money that's coming in, and I think what a lot of people are are relying on now is that that tv revenue. You know, you get all these guys bidding against each other, and, and now this money is starting to flow it. It has always been weird to me, though, because it's like, if your valuation is is at a couple billion, it's like you got seven. You got a quarter of that to give to one guy, to one dude, in hopes that he's not injured and everything goes the way you think is going to go. I'm like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2And baseball. Listen the Mets.
Speaker 3No, they print money.
Speaker 2And for Juan Soto, like listen, get your money, playboy.
Speaker 1I'm the last one to hate on you. Trust me when I tell you that.
Speaker 2If you can get a billion, go out and get it. I ain't got nothing bad to say about it. But for Juan Soto, three quarters of a billion for Juan Soto you know what I'm saying, Bro? That's crazy. He's a good player, but I'm not sure. Almost again three quarters of a billion dollars. We know they're not really getting exactly. You know, after uncle sam gets his cut you know which?
Speaker 2who's the biggest winner in all of this shit? Honestly, it's the government. Eyes are in the ass. But, um, yeah, man, we're headed towards that. That only make it worse because it seems, when you, the more money you put into the mix, it just make it just waters the product down even more. Man, that's just yeah, I don't know man, I it's just not. I don't have a great prognosis for the game in the future, but that is just that. That's the future. And uh, the future will have more shows for you, but this one's coming to an end because, uh, you know it's getting a little late. We got shit to do, you know. Yeah, so, uh, but I real quick, though, before we get up out here, fellas, I wanted, uh, anything y'all on this week, man, like any new podcast books, anything you want to put the people on to, anything you want to plug, anything you want to promo, you know the words of ODB me nothing legendary.
Speaker 1I'm just joking but that was a rough week for me, so I just didn't quite get a chance to really check out new things. You know I've been yeah, just been real busy, but I'll have something for you guys. I just I'm gonna be honest with y'all one thing you're gonna learn about Big Bear. I'm not gonna fake it. I ain't gonna fake. It ain't gonna happen. I don't have to fake it it ain't going to happen.
Speaker 1I don't have nothing for you, man. You know I wish I did. You know when it was a whole lot of you know, boring, usual, like everybody else a lot of hard work and rest. You know, although I wish I could have gone to the show the Dray Day with Battle Cat and everything, everything but once again I was just yeah you know. Well, I decided, you know, tv in the garage is cracked, so I'll figure something out with that.
Speaker 3Yeah, but yeah, don't be adult.
Speaker 2Sometimes it'd be just that way you only got time for the bare necessities. That is what it is. It just every now and again you might, in your free time, bump into something like oh, this is cool, I, I can put somebody onto that, that's. You know, I might want to, at least in my case. I just wanted to, really quickly, uh, this week I wanted to look out for one of my homeboys, uh, a friend of the show, uh, who also was supportive of us and our endeavors and I and King Leo Picasso, aka London Brooks.
Speaker 2I want you all to go check out For our wrestling fans. I mean this brother, he gets deep into it. I'm talking about it. Really, this is a wrestling head, his podcast or vlog of sorts, right, no Dirt Sheets on YouTube, also, nodirtsheetscom. Check that out. He does a little. He does a blog, a vlog uh. He's uh watching actual matches, uh, playing games, uh, it's you know he. He gets it in with the wrestling I, I'll give him that that's his passion and my boy does this thing. Um, really good content for those who care about wrestling uh we're talking about like an in-depth perspective.
Speaker 1I'm talking about really in-depth perspective, very nuanced in his approach to how he speaks to it, definitely passionate about it.
Appreciating Musical Talent and Nostalgia
Speaker 3That's one thing we got to do with. The platform is always remember that we are just one of many shows out there, but each one teach one, each one promote. I think anytime we can look at another group, somebody we know especially or that one or more of us knows and has the ability to plug that we we're always going to do that, I think. Barry, same thing for me it was just not really much going on.
Speaker 3I found myself in in jasmine sullivan music, just listening to riffs and runs and being amazed at just like man, this this is, this is a voice, voice. I ran across something that was like just went down a rabbit hole in YouTube videos and just really appreciating, like the lows, the riffs, the rhymes, like when you, when you have a voice and a tool and you have a talent. I guess that's that's kind of just the moral of the story when you lean a talent man, sometimes that's that's the most beautiful thing out there. So I guess for me, hey, if you got a talent out there that you need to explore, you need to nurture, you need to share, be sure to do it, because not everybody has that, and that's that's one of the challenges I'm fighting through myself share it with just being able to.
Speaker 3yeah, man, just plug that talent Pour into it, because not everybody has it. I say it for me, man.
Speaker 2It's crazy, it's funny.
Speaker 1Jasmine Sullivan hotel. That's just a guy with a voice.
Speaker 2She got some pipes on her Speaking of that real quick, though I don't know, I started a little bit of a melee on Instagram when, I commented on Janet Jackson.
Speaker 3it should be good, I haven't responded to anybody because I'm just not going back and forth on social media.
Speaker 2It's not happening like. You're not getting that kind of time, I'm just not doing it so it was. It was minor, like to me at least. I just, you know, gave my little two cents. I don't think it was that big of a deal. Um, yeah, I'm not sure if you guys are familiar with, uh, josh bracy. Uh, he's the one, he's the dude popularized and famous for that mashup of janet jackson's funny how time flies. And michael jackson's uh, was it lady in my life?
Speaker 2yeah, lady in my life, yeah, and he's responsible for that, and a lot of those videos are set to nostalgic videos of the 90s. Obviously, it's apropos, funny how time flies, right? So, uh, he was, uh, she had a concert recently where she, she did his version of the song with the mashup with the michael jackson song and he was really proud about that, and for good reason, right, that danny jackson took the time out to acknowledge you and your creation and do your rendition of the song. And, yeah, me not being mean-spirited, we all I have a love and appreciation for the jackson family, especially michael and janet, the most talented jacksons by far by country mile. Right, uh, I loved, I loved her since penny on good times, you know, as a young bull, so I would never speak disparagingly of janet jackson just for kicks.
Speaker 2That ain't where I'm going with this. Yeah, so I just said like it's a short message, like love janet, but baby can't sing to save the universe. And we, I mean it's like that's kind of like, we all know that. Like that ain't even like it's not a secret that she's not a powerhouse, you're not gonna hear riffs and I will give you.
Speaker 3Yes, I mean, can she hold a note? Is she going to do some?
Speaker 2melodic whispering. Does she do enough to carry the track? No doubt her voice suits what she's singing. Sade is not a. You ain't got to be a great singer to make great music. So my point wasn't that. I'm just kind of like it was a lighthearted joke and people were like, hey, man, they had your boy throw it. Man, they wouldn't appreciate that one man, yeah, you went after royalty on that with the black cat, come after you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, so that was it.
Speaker 2Oh, you're talking about yeah yeah, yeah, funny how yeah, don't you go nowhere yeah, that, that really you know, that was a bit you know they know.
Speaker 3It's funny, though, because people, people will, will cling to. Artists cling to, I think, the one thing with music when we look back at it, you know, we, we cling to the memories of the time, sometimes far more than the actual songs themselves. Like, yeah, I remember where we were when this happened.
Speaker 3I remember, for you know, he who cannot be mentioned when that Trapped in the Closet series was coming out on 92.3 and all of this stuff and we run into the radio and we try it was, it was a time, and I think a lot of times the music captures the times and the nostalgia of the moment. You know you talk about an Aaron Hall I Miss you and some of the other stuff that we used to listen to. We can go back and and our memories tied to that stuff we used to listen. We can go back and there are memories tied to that stuff. I mean, when you look at especially female artists it's not too many of them that just come to the forefront of your mind. When you talk about voices, you know what Kendrick has done with bringing Luther into the fold for some people who have no clue, and you listen to that man's voice and it's like that. That is a voice. Yeah, yeah, not everybody is that, but no, and I acknowledge it, that's cool.
Speaker 2You don't have to be a great singer to make great music. You don't have to be a great rapper to make good rap music, you know one of the rappers is Dom Kennedy. By no stretch would anybody call him the greatest lyricist to ever live, but I enjoy his music nonetheless. But you know, same with Janet. She's kind of like. She's comparable in that sense, like where she's not a great singer, great performer, great talent. But am I going to pay to hear her sing? Nah, ain't going to happen.
Speaker 1Right, they're going to have to pay, but we still have memories to it.
Speaker 3I don't know Some of y'all.
Speaker 2LA folks remember Two or three Janet comes to World on Wheels, janet Jackson, janet Jackson and them couples skating at that World on Wheels, yeah, stuff like that.
Speaker 1Like I said, nostalgia and it plays.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, but that's me saying that she can sing like she just she's singing well when you talk about I mean, if you put them up Jasmine Sullivan and Janet Jackson, come on now come on, but iconic you know, as far as yes, what she's iconic Sullivan and Janet Jackson.
Speaker 1Come on now, yeah time in the same realm.
Speaker 2Come on now. But iconic, you know.
Speaker 1as far as that, yes, Well, she's iconic Impact on music. Oh, no doubt.
Speaker 2Yeah, we could talk about that One of the biggest stars of the 80s no doubt and 90s as well.
Speaker 3Legend in her own right.
Speaker 1Been to a. I'm a huge Janet fan, but yeah, I get it. I totally get it. You in trouble.
Speaker 2I don't know what they call the Janet fans we have the beehive, we have the cat lair I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1Oh, the black cats, yeah the black cats, the black cats freak it down, freak it down, she Freak it down.
Speaker 2She definitely got some memorable jokes. We Go Deep was the joy back in the day. I can't even lie about that one.
Speaker 1Where are you now? That's funny, they coming after you we got you that ain't worked.
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