
The Leader Learner Podcast
The Leader Learner podcast is for readers and leaders of all kinds.
Rather than talk to authors about the professional development books that they have written, the Leader Learner podcast spotlights readers and delves into their process the book(s) that have had an impact on them and their work.
This podcast is brought to you by Theresa Destrebecq, founder of Emerge Book Circles.
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The Leader Learner Podcast
S01E05 The Keep Your Monkeys Episode
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Theresa Destrebecq & Vincent Musolino
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Season 1
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Episode 5
Vincent starts off with a story….
Big Ideas:
- Don’t take employees monkeys, or it turns into a zoo
- Employees need to keep their own monkeys
- Leaders and managers are not necessarily the same
- It’s exhausting and unsustainable for a manager to take everyone’s monkeys
- It’s natural for managers to take things off people’s plates. They think it’s their job.
- How are we supporting people’s transition from individual contributor to management?
- What is the role of a manager?
- The shift from owning your work, to overseeing the work of the individual contributors work, without taking it on
- Role of the manager is to make obstacles go away (organization, finances, resources, team dynamics, psychological safety, recruiting, etc)
- Manager to focus on the conditions - preparing the space by removing obstacles, and putting things in
- Creating the conditions for competencies to be built
- Should we let employees fail?
- The relationship between failure and trust.
- Creating the culture and context for failure is important
- Not taking on the failures of individual contributors as our own failures - accountability infection
- Fail fast, fail early, fail often
- People are already failing. Are they doing something with it?
- As leaders, help them through the failure.
- The emotional response to the words we use, including fail
- How are leaders talking about failure?
- Naming emotions and experiences so that we can have power over it
- Looking at our fail points ahead of time, so we can pivot sooner
- How we keep persisting on to avoid failure even when it’s the wrong path
- Looking at our fail points allows us to know whether the risk is worth it
- Doing more of the same strategy doesn’t work if it’s the wrong strategy
- Test, Assess, Act
- Agile working, sprints, and retrospectives
- Using the scientific method and testing hypotheses
- What have I done? What will I do? What are my obstacles?
- Agile working - product management and scrum master
References:
- The One Minute Manager Meets the Monkey by Ken Blanchard
- The Leadership Pipeline by Ram Charan
- Atlas of the Heart by Brené Brown
- Taking Smart Risks by Doug Sundheim
- Trust Matters by Ken Blanchard
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