S02E20: The Leadership Beyond Morality: Othering Others for Othering Episode
June 12, 2023
Theresa Destrebecq & Vincent Musolino
- If you had the whole world's attention for 30 seconds, what would you say or do?
- Hypocrisy and leadership
- Immorality in leadership
- Do leaders have to be good people?
- We think of leadership as for the good of the people
- What tactics are immoral leaders using to get people to follow them?
- Leadership as a pipeline - a relationship between people
- How you position yourself in respect to other people
- Leadership can be about how you hook and attract them
- Charisma as a tool to attract people
- "Othering" of people - politicians using this tactic to gain followers
- Commonality and the group to bring people together
- Using fear with your own people to hold them
- Totalitarianism versus Populism
- The leadership purpose is different from the tools
- Inverse charisma - how you draw people in based on how you listen to them, not how you talk
- Charisma as a source of power - do people give you charisma?
- Shifting leadership depending on our audience - some people need to be listened to, some people need to be inspired
- Adaptive or situational leadership
- Leading from the front, not the back
- Cultural aspects of leadership
- Open and closed ways of leadership
- Our own biases shift how we perceive a leader as good/bad
- Leaders who are reassuring and are perceived as "strong" - people looking to leaders for strength
- Leaders are leaders because they help other people not feel afraid
- Idea that leadership starts from within
- People wanting to be told what to do and how to think
- Power over versus power with/power to
- What do you do when you want to offer people power, and they don't want it?
- Freedom is hard. Ignorance is bliss.
- Do people really want autonomy?
- Are we participants in the creation of immoral leadership?
- Amoral leadership - leadership without morality
- Immorality creates an us/them
- Should leadership be moral?
- Trust is a psychological mechanism, value is what you think is important
- Can we try NOT to use the moral lens when talking about leadership?
- Pragmatism versus morality
- Take morality off the table and listen for their values
- How we embody values can look different
- How stay on debate without arguing
- Power in having a structured debate with a strong moderator
- Debating from the opposite side of your beliefs
- Constructive conflict that leads to innovation and creativity
- Disagreement isn't the same as conflict
- Leadership is when you stay outside of our "animal self" - you stay above the fray
- "People are hard to hate close up. Move in."
- Easy for us to form opinions about other people without really knowing them
- Change the conditions by which you measure people and you can say anyone is anything
- Does a leader need to go beyond morality?
- Easy to other people for othering others
- Values as a factor in conflict because of it's rigidity
- Globalization has led to value conflict
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