The Leader Learner Podcast

S03E18 The Practice Listening! Episode

Theresa Destrebecq & Vincent Musolino

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Check-In:

  • What was your favorite job? And why?


Big Ideas:

  • move from shallow questions to deep questions
  • freedom, pace, connection
  • autonomy and connectedness are part of the motivational factors of humans
  • autonomy within a group, leaning into the group rather than isolation
  • independence, dependence, and interdependence
  • 3 types of conversations - the practical conversation (What's this really about?) , the emotional conversation (How do we feel?), the social conversation (Who are we?)
  • context matters and appreciate what type of conversation to have
  • when we are having different types of conversation with others, there is a mismatch and information doesn't get through
  • meta-communication - talking about the type of communication
  • we communicate through our emotions 
  • we aren't rational beings but emotional ones
  • recognize the nuance of other people's communication, and ask questions about their emotions without becoming emotional myself
  • exercise where Theresa shared something meaningful with another person, and that person was instructed to be completely indifferent - Theresa had a strong emotional reaction
  • our bodies speak to us if we listen
  • holding multiple emotions at the same time - even if they seem competing emotions
  • the 3 types are all in a multidimensional space
  • communicate about ourselves, about the relationship, and about what we want
  • emotion comes from the relationship we have with ourselves and others
  • communication is like an orchestra, and certain aspects of it play louder
  • cognitive dissonance - when evidence goes against what we believe about ourselves
  • confirmation bias - sort out information that doesn't vibe with who we think we are
  • when social media feeds our biases
  • learning about the full humanity of people, and seeing their values, beliefs, history, and let go of the data to reduce polarization
  • people agree a lot more than we think
  • when we can listen deeply in some contexts but not others
  • teach people how to be curious and ask deep, profound questions
  • political system is based on making arguments, not on asking questions
  • how much our childhood plays a role in our communication skills
  • how story-telling about what people say or don't say interferes with our relationships
  • emotional expression in professional settings is not fully expressed
  • if a lot of books have been written on listening, why do we still not listen well
  • we fail to practice listening to the emotional and social aspects of conversation
  • stereotype threat - prime yourself on your multi-dimensional roles to overcome the threat
  • being a good talker doesn't make you a good leader
  • the training and book doesn't do anything for you


Resources:

  • Supercommunicators, by Charles Duhigg
  • Friedemann Schulz von Thun, German Psychologist
  • Nancy Kline's deep listening

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