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The Leadership Garden

Theresa Destrebecq (formerly also with Vincent Musolino) Episode 65

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TOPIC : If leadership training is dead, how do companies still develope leaders?

Big Ideas:

  • Learning experiences can happen without training
  • Learning that happens in community can have a bigger impact
  • Learning happens in a spiral -- you have to come back to it again and in different ways. 
  • Learning happens across multiple axis across time, not linearly
  • Leadership learning can happen below the surface before people can see it
  • Creating a non-threatening environment -- psychological safety
  • Put something in the community basket
  • There is no lever for learning - you can just pull and it emerges
  • Leadership as an emergent property, rather than something that can be directly developed
  • How does the hierarchical structure of training impeding leadership training?
  • Focus on the process of learning, rather than the delivering of content and information. 
  • Practice versus training? 
  • "Knowledge isn't wisdom. Wisdom in knowledge in action."
  • Give people a space to activate the information. Everyone sparks at different times. 
  • Creating self-fulfilling frameworks that can be peer generated after wards
  • Some models can be reciprocated, but the experience may not be the same
  • Small moments of connected learning keeps the learning alive - the more exposure to the ideas, the more your Reticular Activation System is activated
  • How do we assess whether a learning experience is effective?
  • If leadership training is so great, why do we still have the same number of problems we have?
  • Does success always mean rising in an organization? 
  • If everyone can be a leader, how do I choose the next leader?
  • Managing and leading aren't the same skill set. 
  • Promoting people who aren't good at their jobs, but are still potential leaders.
  • Sometimes we are short-sighted about leadership development
  • Garden metaphor -- plant some seeds, nurture, see what grows, adapt based on what you see


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