Life to the Max Podcast

"Business and Music" Ft Scud & Cloud

• QuadFather & Erratic • Season 2 • Episode 7

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In this captivating episode, Scud blows smoke in the air and delves into the significance of family and moral values that have shaped his artistic identity. He offers a glimpse into his personal story, emphasizing how it all started from being a part of a church choir. From being a business man, to dealing with the challenges of being an artist, Scud imparts valuable wisdom on what it takes to achieve success and longevity in this dynamic and competitive field.

Scud writes and records music while cloud composes the instrumentals. Listen how the music group "Safehouse" originated from an actual trap house and how music formed an unbreakable friendship.

Join us for an engaging discussion with Scud and Cloud, as they weave together their musical narratives, imparting both inspiration and practical advice for aspiring artists navigating the ever-evolving landscape of the music industry.

Discovering a Passion for Music

Speaker 1

We got some alien music in the live.

Speaker 2

If that's me, that's me. You hit that, except me and Max in the cut. We don't give too much and we don't give a fuck. It's what we do and shit the proof we live in life live in life to the max.

Speaker 3

Living life to the max, Just like my back. Yes.

Speaker 2

Chris says, the nurse on duty says that. Skud is smoking on that cherry pie.

Speaker 3

You realize you have to pass it, so Max wants to get high.

Speaker 2

before the intro Welcome back to another episode of Life to the Max. We got safe house in the motherfucking house. We got cloud. We got Skud.

Speaker 1

Emily.

Speaker 2

Skud Introduced myself as erratic aka Eric Dutcher and the main host, the quad father blowing ghosts, smoking air Like he don't care and we gonna get right into cloud and Skud's episode right after the intro.

Speaker 3

Yeah, I'm paralyzed from a neck down, breathing through a machine, but that doesn't stop me from following my dreams and doing what I love to do.

Speaker 1

Oh my fucking soul, you hear this nigga. I don't like God. I'm an excuse.

Speaker 3

Neither should you.

Speaker 1

Let's get it.

Speaker 4

Let's get it. I hear this. Play that back again and again, and again.

Speaker 1

Oh my god, that shit was hard. That shit was hard. Mommy Max and her tweaking.

Speaker 2

So I introduced y'all, cloud Skud, I introduced safe house, but for the people who never heard of y'all, for the people who never heard of safe house.

Speaker 3

This is actually Keith, oh yeah.

Speaker 2

This is Keith, this is KK, this is Kyle, this is Skud.

Speaker 1

Skud. That is fucking funny dude, Because like all through like high school and like all through school type shit, motherfuckers were always calling me Kyle. My last name is Kyle, you feel me?

Speaker 2

My name is never been Kyle.

Speaker 3

Your last name is Kyle's.

Speaker 1

Yeah, my name is never been Kyle's you sound like a country singer Keith Kyle's. He could Gag talk about sound like a country singer. I could damn near sing country I damn near can do anything you probably could man, keith Kyle's, I can do that Literally, that's fine.

Speaker 3

Keith Kyle's.

Speaker 2

Yeah, riding in the old school trunk, smoking on all these ones. He said, riding in this El Dorado.

Speaker 1

Tell him about riding in.

Speaker 3

El Dorado Shooting shots like it's Chicago.

Speaker 1

Bro's doing the little ends, just like that.

Speaker 3

Waking up to a line of Pablo oh.

Speaker 1

That's too ahead of people's time 2024. You're getting too far.

Speaker 2

What got you into music?

Speaker 1

Skud Kyle's I got me into music, all right, so let's start this shit all the way from the beginning, bro. So like as a child I was damn near like forced to go to church. You feel me type shit, like Most of it Gospel church, a Baptist church. You feel me Like motherfuckers in that bitch catching a holy ghost and shit. You know what I'm saying. You feel like crazy ass shit. You feel me it was some real nut ass shit.

Speaker 1

But in the process of going to church, you feel me, my mom and dad forced me, my brother and my sister to sing in the church choir. You feel me, and like my brother and sister, they was autos, I was a tenor or sometime. I even like saying like baritone, bass, type shit. That shit was cool and all like after, like I want to say like in the beginning I didn't like that shit because it was forced, but eventually I kind of like we doing this shit might as well have fun with it. You feel me I was. You feel me I mean that bitch having fun without like going to choir practice and shit like that. Like as the year started going on and then, like when the holiday season would come, there was this shit called like the candlelight choir and that's when, like all the churches and Elgin type shit, literally like make a collective choir and when they do like a Christmas show type shit, and that shit was raw. But then, like getting into like middle school, I started playing the fucking clarinet you feel me? Type shit.

Speaker 2

Ice.

Speaker 1

Squidward, I joined the band, type shit, you feel me. But then, like, from the clarinet, I started learning other instruments, you feel me, but only woodwind instruments, like I started playing. So right after the clarinet I learned how to play the alto sax. Then from the alto sax I went to baritone sax and baritone sax like when I'm in middle school and high school and shit type shit that was like my dream instrument. So like that shit was raw as fuck Is.

Speaker 2

Musicality is, on another level, max multi-talented going on. Didn't mean to cut you short. No, no for sure, for sure.

Speaker 1

But then so, like from the saxophone, I was like, fuck it, I'm learning how to play the flute just because you feel me. That shit was raw, like there's just raw ass riffs and like fucking solos that a flute would have like no other instrument can either like achieve, like with just the speed, because that shit's just right there, and it was just like. I don't know, it's some different shit, it was just some shit that kind of hyped me up.

Speaker 3

I feel like totally relate with you because, like guitar, same thing.

Speaker 1

You're playing guitar. Yeah, that shit's so fucking raw. And piano, piano, same thing that's my dream now, like being in like my late twenties and shit is a I want to. I want to learn how to play the piano and like eventually learn how to play the guitar, all those other instruments, because that shit is just raw being musically inclined Like. I've always been able to do that shit, so like, why not take advantage of you?

Speaker 1

Most rock bands back then, all all their, like you know, like all the people in the band, like they're, they knew multiple instruments and they were able to play multiple instruments, which is pretty cool, you know especially like just imagine if, like fucking, you're a rock band and like your fucking lead drummer is sick and he can't like perform or some shit, Then I need like a backup or somebody that's a part of the band that can just do that shit the fuck around. Make the little like crowd and like hype a little bit more. They like damn man guitar is. He's on the drums tonight. He's about to kill this shit.

Speaker 3

You feel me, that's some different shit.

Speaker 1

You feel me.

Speaker 1

So, like getting back, though, to the music though. So like after like band, like I didn't have to stop playing band at one point in time because I was a football star you feel me I was. I was on varsity. I was on varsity damage since freshman year, you feel me? So this shit was, it was just different, you know. So, like fucking, I wasn't able to play band because I was playing football. Then, like after high school, and you feel me I don't, I don't go to college to play football. None of that shit. That wasn't like. You feel me Like my dream type shit.

Speaker 1

I was too much like into the streets, like dealing with we, selling we you feel me dealing with that type of shit being around my friends who was making music, like rapping and singing and shit, but I wasn't making music, but the quarterback like the football team, that was my best friend, his name was KB, he was a singer type shit and he was always at the studio. It used to be an old studio in a CVL 4SE, you feel me it was right there by like fucking no manchas. If anybody knows a no manchas, you know exactly what I'm talking about the little pizzeria that building right next over to the next lot. There was a studio in the back and if you ever, like, made music like years ago, type shit, you would know that studio. But, um, so motherfuckers are being at studio and then, like, after a while, I'm in the studio so much with KB and shit, like you feel me.

The Power of Friendship and Purpose

Speaker 1

I was usually like I was normally just a fan of his music, type shit. You feel me with that shit. And the process of being a fan of his music, like bro, is just like we were such good friends, bro, just hop in the studio, you make a song, you feel me. And then, bro, just from that point on, that shit it's just been over with bro. I've been making music ever since bro. And then you feel me in the process of making music, I damn near met my best friend. You feel me, type shit. And that's Cloud. Do that shit, damn near me. And Cloud is like I don't know yin and yang, type shit. Bro, damn near drive me to make more music, I drive him to make more music and we drive each other to make more money. We drive each other to just be the best that we can be type shit, no matter what the fucking, damn near fucking aspect is, you know.

Speaker 2

That's dope, that's dope.

Speaker 1

You segue into.

Speaker 2

Cloud being your best friend. Bro, introduce yourself to the people.

Speaker 4

Cloud. What up, cloud man, the safe house shit? I remember you asked earlier how.

Speaker 2

How safe house came to be. What is safe house?

Speaker 4

So I was living in Vegas when I made safe house. I only did it really on some like. On some like get money, drug traffic and things.

Speaker 1

Real life safe house type shit like.

Speaker 4

That's just the lifestyle we was living at the time. And then I had came back out here to Elgin and then this nigga was already making music and shit. We had met up at one of my guys house kind of went into shit kind of really making itself. I had first started making beats, bro was coming to my homie Mojo house shot the Mojo and shit.

Speaker 1

Nigga way back. Mojo crib is fucking like. If you know about Mojo's crib, that's a whole another instance we could talk about, but we're not going to talk about that today.

Speaker 3

Mojo, what are you talking about? Little Mojo with baby Mojo.

Speaker 4

Yes.

Speaker 2

I don't know, mojo Max is familiar.

Speaker 1

We're not going to talk about that today, but we will talk about that.

Speaker 4

But no, when we were younger we used to make music over there and then we would start going to studios and my homie, eddie would come around, chris would come around, mel Dizzy, a bunch of people.

Speaker 1

Shout out to my homie Mel. He the one who produced my first tape, type shit. He was really one of them driving forces that was always pushing me to make music. He fucked with my sound from the get go, even though I feel like all my old music was trash type shit and I really found my sound now. That still is what started this shit.

Speaker 2

If y'all call each other best friends, it's a dynamic duo of you the one making the beats and you the one dropping the lyrics.

Speaker 1

I would say probably about 60% of my songs that I have dropped on SoundClouds are all over any platforms. 60% of the beats is always by Cloud. That shit just be raw as fuck, because it's never forced, it's just so genuine. I literally like bro, it's literally here's the beat and I feel like he's damn near thinking like damn, I can hear Skud on this shit. He just sends that shit to me that I'm hearing that shit and I'm like, yeah, what the fuck? This shit sound raw as hell. Next thing you know I'm writing because I'm really a writer and shit, I can freestyle too, but writing is my thing. Write this shit real quick. I always know it's a hit like you feel me? Or some raw shit Cloud sent me when I can make the song effortlessly, as soon as he sends me the song right there, as soon as I start listening.

Speaker 2

And I bet that track means so much more when y'all do that shit together.

Speaker 1

Oh yeah, for sure when he hop on a beat.

Speaker 4

I be like yeah.

Speaker 1

The shit in house Do you know my beat too.

Speaker 3

Yeah, that's how I feel when me and Eric do a podcast.

Speaker 1

Yeah, kobe, and Shack Tech shit.

Speaker 3

We really hit it off the park. Yeah, I'm Kobe Shack.

Speaker 4

Bro, in that chair.

Speaker 2

you weigh like like 400 pounds GU Shack 600 pounds, is it?

Speaker 1

600? Don't do me like that. I had the extra two on there.

Speaker 3

You said get it right, yeah, anyways, yes, like so I kind of could feel the same way, but I don't really, I didn't.

Speaker 1

No, that's why I got it.

Speaker 3

He's a performer and Eric Demmer's got this shit down to a science.

Speaker 1

I've been seeing the shorts bro be coming out with an initiative, just literally got some watching people that I wouldn't normally watch. Bro, like what?

Speaker 2

the fuck.

Speaker 1

Yeah it was literally like talking about, like some motivational, like some real life, fucking shit. I'm there, I'm there high as fuck like G, he's fucking my head over there.

Speaker 2

Bro, with that ambiance, music playing in the background, and then for the people who don't know what life to the max is if they're just scrolling, he's like, he's like I mean you got to be thankful just to breathe even, and then it cuts over to max on his ventilator. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3

Yeah, I mean, I'm thankful for breathing. I'm thankful I got a machine that helps me. I'm thankful you guys were able to come today.

Speaker 1

I'm thankful for. So I'm blessed, like thank you, I'm blessed to be able to be up and be alive. You feel me well. Come here and fuck with y'all, bro.

Speaker 2

You feel me like back back to me and max starting this podcast. Bro, we more than just some podcasters. This table, this table is therapy for max. This table is is making family for max, making friends for max. You know I'm saying this is getting people in the house and people showing off their craft. And what I like about everything you said so far is like you're not just rapping.

Speaker 1

Oh yeah, I'm not just rapping, bro. This is way bigger than you. You got meaning. You got me behind you. I'm trying to help my people.

Speaker 4

I'm trying to help the people I really love bro.

Speaker 1

So, like you feel me, it's more about like setting an example for my son, because now I got a son, this shit is totally different, bro. Then, like two years ago, you feel me like speak up so much more meaning with this shit, there's so much more drive. With this shit, there's so much purpose.

Speaker 3

Well, I don't need to cut you off. I know you need this blunt too what the hey, chris, chris, there's your short cutting someone off when he's really getting when he's really feeling.

Speaker 2

Max, max, these the smoke.

Speaker 3

Alright, go go on. Man, you were talking about yourself, yeah get back in.

Speaker 2

I want to hear. I want to hear about that dramatic change in mindset when your son comes into this world.

Speaker 1

You know like so before my son I didn't get no fuck bro, like his balls to the wall, like I'm risking it all. You feel me type shit, not strategically, not using my brain? Not. You feel me not thinking about the negative shit, not thinking about the cons. You feel me type shit. Now, every time I do anything, I definitely still is taking risks, but my risk, or more calculated, you feel me type shit. I'm not throwing my life away. I can't throw my life away. You feel me? My son need me more than anybody need me, and I know my friends need me, my family need me. So, like this shit, just be like hitting a little different.

Speaker 3

Thanks, yeah, yeah, no, I'm the person. Yeah, like you said, you want to set a great example for your son. You know, provide, provide for your family.

Speaker 2

Real shit, bro. And not only, not only providing on a state of financial situations. You know, when people hear about someone providing, you know it could also be that energy that's contagious.

Speaker 2

You know when you when you follow your dreams and you set that example, you know doing more than just clocking in on the five, breaking your back and for that check to put food on you, which is what you got to do, right, we all got to do that shit, right? Yeah, literally. But you also got to find something that makes you passionate, that makes you happy, that brings a certain type of energy that's contagious, that make other people want to turn the fuck up with you.

Speaker 1

Bro, it's literally. I feel like that energy that you're talking about is literally when my son sees anybody that's like a part of my family. He smiles, you feel me, just like he sees his mom and he sees like the rest, like that side of the family. He smiles when he sees them but he lights up when he sees us because he doesn't get to see us as often as like that side is. It's like not fair. You feel me type shit to like a certain extent, like, and there needs to be a balance. You know what I'm saying, because a child needs his mother and his father equally. Like I don't feel like what the fuck? Like all the shit that my baby mama's putting me through right now, not being able to see my son, and shit. I would never put her through that even if I was in her position. You feel me Just because I know my son's going to need her, need him to, and I don't want that trauma to ever carry on later in his life, type shit.

Speaker 2

Thanks, hell yeah, I was talking about talking about family. Is there anything else that motivated you to turn your music in any certain type of direction?

Motivation and Faith With Family

Speaker 1

Damn, we're going to get real deep right here. So, like earlier this year, my mother fucking the person I really cared about the most, like the person that damn near, like, damn near fucking drives me like you feel me damn near was always there, right or wrong I was feeling was my granny and shit. And uh, when she passed away that shit, really like I don't know, it really changed some shit in me, cuz, nigga, I've been writing the best music I've ever fucking thought about, like this shit really coming from the heart, it's coming from like a different, like a different, it's coming from a different place. Bro, you feel me and a nigga like me still be shutting tears about this shit, g cuz my motherfucking granny was wrong folk, like anybody that ever got to me. My granny like clock even tell you G, my granny was rose hill folk.

Speaker 3

Oh.

Speaker 1

For sure, for sure, but um.

Speaker 1

All this shit be now, though, just like bro, like I know she watching me folk, I feel her energy wherever I go. I feel her energy right before I make a decision, like I can't really do no wrong, cuz like everything is through her. You feel me, type shit. So, like bro, I'll be fearless through this shit, bro, like before. This shit, bro, I would never go skydiving. A nigga would never go skydiving. But nigga, I would go skydiving now, type shit. A nigga not afraid of that? A nigga be afraid to like Like my biggest fear. I used to be afraid of heights, but I've been got over that shit. Before my granny died, after my granny died, they're, like I, always been afraid to like the ocean G cuz like I'm a big nigga G I'll see I'm a big nigga, but like the ocean, make a big nigga feel small as fuck shorty, oh ass can disappear and never be seen again.

Speaker 1

I'm sure like the ocean is fucking crazy. You feel me, the biggie you are, notion, the more boy you are. Come on now, bro, my motherfucking mom and dad always be talking about, like gee, they want to go on a motherfucking cruise. Folks, scud wasn't ready for a cruise.

Speaker 1

But like now, bro, I know I'm straight, bro, and like more than just like having my granny on my side, I know I got God on my side and that's just like a different fucking room, bro. Like you feel me like and I always been. Like you feel me having like a relationship with God, but like you know, growing up as like a fucking a child bro, going just through high school, going through school, going through just Girlfriend problems and all that shit, bro, sometimes you try to, usually like start to question that shit, like is God real? Like why would you let this happen to me? Like you feel me. But then I started, like my mind says, started changing I know like certain shit he wouldn't let happen to me unless it was gonna help me be a like a better person.

Speaker 1

On the other end, and Like through growth, you feel me like growing through the situation, learning from my mistakes, and shit Learning from my mistakes damn near made me like I'm still learning from my mistake today, like I'm not no perfect person. You feel me. I'm still still gonna be fucking up. You feel me like, but I'm trying to minimize my fuck up. She's really me. So, like learning from my mistakes, bro, I'm becoming like the best human I've ever like I've ever been, and I know if I keep doing this shit, bro, what like this shit is gonna be crazy as hell in a few years, you know yeah, someone said we need to have forever.

Speaker 3

Yeah, that sounds like you're like some acts for sure.

Speaker 2

That's a life to the max mind set, always learning, always getting better your grandma.

Speaker 3

She's living life with you, you know, right on your shoulder.

Speaker 1

No bet.

Speaker 3

So I mean, like that's probably, that's probably where you got your drive from. You know, there's like there's there's two things that change a human being, and it's health and money, right. So like it's like someone's health goes bad, you're gonna be like, okay, either I'm gonna change or I'm not gonna change. You know, and with your Grandma passing away, I guess it's added a lot of motivation to your music. Stay in the lab. You know, like you said, you're always writing.

Speaker 1

Like when I'm writing now, like this shit is not hard, bro. Like I literally like played a beat. I was like cuz cloud was like cloud usually freestyles, all his shit. You feel me like I'd be wondering like how's this nigga freestyle and everything. But like damn there, bro, fuck my head up, they win a car. He like how do you be writing to the beat? How do you like writing, come up with the melody.

Speaker 1

While you're writing I'm like gang, I damn they're like showed him my process, type shit. Then I just play the beat, type shit. Then I damn their friend like a freestyle, damn they're like a little melody. And then I just start writing. But like the writing just comes to me, bro, I'm not thinking about this shit. This shit is just as what is what's happening now. Or like the shit that I've done, like I've took hella trips, I've made hell. Like all types of money, bro, now fucked up. All different types of money like spending it on. We spending that shit on, motherfucking Bro. All types of shit, bro. You feel me not going to go into too much detail with that, but I mean, we should see you can help out the people out there.

Speaker 1

I'm fucking up the money on like clothes, bro. I'm fucking the money up. I'm taking girls on dates. You feel me? I'm there by my mom. Shit, I'm by my granny I'm buying my son shit.

Navigating Digital Age Challenges

Speaker 1

I'm damn there. You feel me I'm doing shit with my friends buying us all food. You feel me type shit. I'm all fuckers. A bio so full you from. Vice versa, this shit. The energy is always reciprocated with the gang, you feel me. That's why this shit like really tatted on my skin. You feel me the big ass, a and shit, emily like and the chain. You feel me it's like this shit really means some. This shit. I know fluke, you know, but like, you're really like. If you really listen into what I'm saying, you could learn from my mistakes, cuz. Like, if you really got some money, you got to hold on to that shit and keep just Like added more and more, more, more. I don't mean to be asking on the mic, you feel me.

Speaker 1

I'm tweaking, but um you want to keep at us, add in some more money on that shit, bro. You want to like turn your fuck. If you can make 10k, bro, you can make a hundred k. If you can make a hundred k, you can make a meal, and if you're gonna make a meal, you could take that shit as far as the fuck you wanted to go.

Speaker 1

So like, and probably just from like now, like since the pandemic, bro, a nigga, damn it easily fucked off half a million, easily fucked off half a million. Ppp loans, sba, all that shit, bro, that shit like that shit was jukein bro, like you feel me, you don't understand. Now, though, like a nigga, just way smarter with his money. For me, like I'm really like, like I really do, I gotta be smarter with my money, because now I got a son, like this shit is not, no game is not. I just know how to be smart about my money. For me, I gotta be smart about my money for my son. And then to I got a dog that I didn't have, you as my son his name brings, and shit who I didn't. You feel me, I gotta take care of his ass too.

Speaker 3

Yeah, we're all hunter, gatherers hunter gatherers as well.

Speaker 1

I like how you said that primitive.

Speaker 3

That's what we are like in the cognitive revolution. We're all hunter gatherers, and hunter gatherer wants to provide for their people, provide for their family, provide for the dog. If you have a dog, that dog is counting on you for the food, especially your son when it's count on you for food, you know. So, motivating people out in the public that are listening to this and actually like, listen to you, like, like want to become an artist, you know, like they love their art and they keep going at it, you know. But then they get distracted by stupid shit like strip clubs, like only fans, like, like toxic relationships.

Speaker 1

Get into that topic too. Like, I've even caught myself growing in that aspect because, like, the internet is super lustful, like, especially like IG and Twitter and shit. Like Twitter is damn near 99% porn, you feel me. But like IG, like bro, you cannot like really even scroll. Or even on TikTok, you really can't even scroll without seeing some bitch twerking. Like lately, I'm like, damn, I even follow this bitch. I'm unfollowing these bitches. Like, bro, what the fuck? I'm not even like whole time I'm in a relationship. So, like what the fuck? I definitely don't even want to talk to you. But it's just like, what the fuck am I even following you?

Speaker 1

This shit is not benefiting me in no way. I'm wasting seconds or minutes, you feel me, looking at your content and this shit not benefiting me in no way. So if this shit can benefit my spiritual, my mental, my physical, my financial health, bro, I'm not paying attention to this shit. Bro, like, no back. Like, and only fans should that, should cool that if that's what you want to do. But I'm a like family man. You feel me like, right now I'm a dad, I got a son, but eventually I want to have a daughter, you feel me. And what the fuck, this world is gonna be wicked as fuck like cuz. I'm gonna be telling my daughter go to school. You feel me go to college. You feel me follow her dreams. You feel me. And there's gonna be girls on Twitter, instagram and they're making a million dollars on only fans in a month.

Speaker 2

You feel me, that's gonna be the hardest battle that anybody's ever gonna face like, and people don't even realize that how social media is fucking that up for a lot of people now on the general aspect of things, back in like early 2000s, the main thing that, like advertised to women you know have growing up with insecurities, or young teens growing up with insecurities, is like seeing the models on the billboard yes, you gotta be tall and you gotta be slim and you gotta wear tight shit.

Speaker 2

You know, that was like the problem that we used to hear back in the day on a commercial level for the overall population right like general speaking right, and that led to the insecurities of young women. But now it's like half nude shit, now it's like naked sexy shit everywhere.

Speaker 1

It's not just being a model. You're sucking dick, you're sucking cock, bro, it's everywhere.

Speaker 2

Only fans is everywhere, and it's crazy because it's so tempting, because the money is there, because, like you said about these, these men, sex, sells sex sells, bro, it's a fact, and men are making a lot of money, and there's millionaires out there that aren't afraid to blow it on some titties.

Speaker 1

But it's crazy, it's crazy, so like it's just a, it's a trickling effect and there's like a statistic out there that, like I guess like 90% of the people that do like purchase and shit on only fans, they are like cheating. You feel me. Or like they're married or they have like a wife or you feel me.

Speaker 2

There's like all different types of shit that's going on. Yeah, half the motherfuckers that go to a strip club for a lap dance be venting about their relationship. You don't even have to leave your house to cheat but you know what sucks, though.

Speaker 1

There's always going to be an audience for that it's like an it's in the rod, it's like an exotic, it's an exotic audience.

Speaker 3

But it's an exotic audience that's being promoted. You know, kind of like like we're not promoting strip clubs on this.

Speaker 1

So but then hold on, though, hold on though. There are the women out there that are like super smart with this shit, like, bro, they're not fucking posting their fucking titties. Like they're not fucking posting their cougar, bro, you can't even pay them to do that shit shut out the models that are being artistic with it yeah, just like you feel me.

Speaker 1

They just taking like different creative photos, type shit and different lingerie. That shit's pretty raw because you're super finess and you type shit. If you really have to go past that shit, you feel me you have to get whoop. Do you feel me you have to get slutted out? You never had to get a train around on you, shit.

Speaker 2

You are tweaking like damn let's talk to the females in this game. If you tease a little bit, you could raise your prices a little bit, bro, what? Because? Then certain men are like how much do I need to pay to see this shit, bro? I've been following this page for three months and you ain't show shit and no bullshit.

Speaker 1

You really can't even put a price on kuchi like, but like females be having a price and they shouldn't have no price, which is crazy yeah, okay, so it's like you know.

Speaker 3

It's crazy, though, like these girls are not only fans. These girls are not only fans, like they're supposed to interact with their fans, right? I heard that there's people called, like you know, chatters, chatters. Yeah, they hire them oh, yeah, bro yeah they hire them throughout.

Speaker 3

Like you know, like Africa, like you know Indonesia and all that stuff, just hire them. Say I'm gonna pay you like your $100 today if you chat to all these guys and they think that the girl is chatting to them, but actually a 38 year old man in India is chatting to you.

Speaker 1

You guys are just getting capped as they don't even know like that's like you thought you was talking to shorty shorty got a million people in her inbox how she got turned over by the everybody exactly like if you're not video calling Max, you're on game, you're pretty smart.

Speaker 3

I like that if you're on video, like if you're on video calling and check like she's finesse. You know that's how it goes, especially if she has only fans. She has fans, right. So what makes you so goddamn special out of the 500,000 other guys are trying to get her fucking pants bro, what especially?

Speaker 3

if you know, especially if you know and guys know at the end of the day, max if you know, when you look at them here, at yourself, you're like yeah, there's no fucking way, like you should probably go with your god cloud.

Speaker 2

Talk to him. I see you leading in yeah cloud what do?

Speaker 1

you think about this?

Speaker 4

shit, man, about the only fan shit. Yeah, man, all of that I mean I just kind of fucked up because it's just like right now how society is with the inflation and shit. Like I understand, like shit, some of these females gotta get to the bag. How, guys, you know we got. You know I'm saying they don't. Girls don't really sell drugs and do stuff like that. You know I'm saying so why not just, you know, sell a video of them getting cracked by that boyfriend or some shit? You feel me?

Speaker 2

but I respect the money making that aspect.

Speaker 4

I respect the money, but it's just like I mean. It is degrading no, what?

Speaker 2

what? Max is talking about the men. Max is talking about the men that are hoping that they get there. Listen listen.

Speaker 3

What I'm saying is you pay for this girl's only right. Okay. So close say you pay for this girl's only fan alright, it's $50 a month, okay she?

Speaker 4

is crazy as fuck she has 500,000 followers.

Speaker 3

Okay she makes you know, she's messaging you and she's messaging you. Alright, are you think that's really her?

Speaker 2

Max, you need to understand that the only reason why people going only fans is because they get that rush of endorphins in that moment right, they're not thinking about the future. They're not thinking of possibilities.

Speaker 2

They're getting their rocks off in that moment that shit moving, that's that super anyways, we going transfer, we going to get off the topic, only fans. And we going to get right back to scud and clouds fans. We going to get back to the music, we going to get back to the interview, you know before we fall into a dark hole.

Speaker 3

It is a wrap it's about getting it all driving this. What this is is interview, and what he says is he doesn't fuck with, only fans. I've never bought, only fans, by the way so, now that we got that out of the way, what's the goal? What's the goal, man?

Speaker 1

what's the?

Speaker 3

goal. What do you see 5 years down the road? So what do I see?

Speaker 1

5 years down the road where I want to go as far as my talent can take me. You feel me and like it's not like I just feel like cocky or I'm just conceded and I know, like that I'm greater than I'm good. It's everybody around me telling me that I'm good, like it's. Like it's literally like I'm already a super like confident person in myself, but like having my friends, having my family, having the people at work that don't even know me like and I play my music for them and they tell me I'm the shit. You feel me. It's a fucking different rush, bro. I know like this is not no bullshit, this shit is not no fluke, this is some shit that could really take me from where I'm at right now, bro, to the next level where I can take care of everybody but you didn't tell me the goal 5 years down the road where we got that?

Speaker 3

I want to be performing.

Speaker 4

Leroy.

Speaker 1

Kilimanay's summer smash. I want to be performing at Roland Woow. I want to be performing all over the United States, bro so performance, that's a big goal oh, yeah, yeah, I love performance, I love that shit for sure, for sure what about things?

Speaker 3

do you want any things?

Speaker 1

do I want any things like like.

Speaker 3

What do you like? What's your favorite car?

Speaker 1

my favorite car right now. I would say it's the wagon here, the wagon there, the Jeep wagon there, you would take a wagon here or over a Lambo. No, I don't want no Lambo right now, I want some shit that could fit like my son and shit in it. You feel me and big body.

Speaker 2

I was just about to say I can't see scutting the Lambo.

Speaker 1

I could even have big black truck, bro, like you, feel me, there's some real like bull shit. Ok, if I could bulletproof that bitch, I'll bulletproof.

Speaker 3

OK, so bulletproof wagon.

Speaker 1

A bulletproof wagon there, no bad.

Speaker 4

Hey, that sound cool that bitch.

Speaker 1

Raw's here.

Speaker 3

And then a nice house with a golden gate right.

Speaker 1

No, no, golden gate, a big ass career, bro, where I could put my mom in that bitch, but like my mom is like a whole personality that you have to be like prepared to deal with type shit, so like she would then have like her own designated space in my career. You feel me, trust me, I know I would want my mom near you. You feel me Instantly, instantly retire my mom, instantly retire my dad, bro. What my dad lives in Detroit, by the way, right now and what the fuck Pops will be right back in Illinois with me. Big ass career.

Speaker 3

All right. So these are big goals, right oh?

Speaker 1

the face.

Speaker 3

You want to perform, you want to get it, you want to pay it, you want to provide for your family. That's what this whole podcast's been about. You rap and you're providing for your family and your grandma, you know so. Good host to you. So do you see these as realistic goals, or what goals would you say are realistic in five years?

Speaker 1

All of these goals are realistic in the next five years Because, outside of music, I'm still a businessman, so I'm still making money on the side.

Speaker 4

I still go to work and shit. You feel me.

Speaker 1

Like, once my music starts to make money, this shit's going to make too much sense. You feel me? I'm happy.

Speaker 3

I'm happy you say that, because a lot of people have a backstop. Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1

Like if you like no bullshit, if you're thinking that you're going to blow up in this music shit or you're just going to get poppin' and you're not going to put no money behind yourself, yo ass is tweakin'. You feel me you really going to have to put some money behind yourself. You really going to have to always, constantly have some money. You got to always stay fresh. You got to always you feel me Be able to go to the studio. You have to always be able to create. You always have to be able to have a car moving, putting gas and shit. You feel me Go to the show, show your face. You feel me, do all of that shit, pop up to every event possible, like there's no way you can do that without no money.

Speaker 3

So when is because I'm not rapper, right? So when is the time to say OK, I'm quitting my job and I'm going straight into music, that's it.

Speaker 2

As soon as your income from your music matches your wages at your job.

Speaker 1

I would say for me, when I started making 100K just off my streams a year Some shit like that would be cool I wouldn't even say 150K off of my streams a year, Fuck my job. I would literally say fuck my job right now.

Speaker 3

So 50K a year off of streams, off streams 50K a year off streams, bro.

Speaker 1

What as an independent artist? That's beautiful.

Speaker 3

Then you got performance as well.

Speaker 1

Performance is probably selling merch.

Speaker 3

Yeah, I mean, I hope one day me and Eric are there 50K streams.

Speaker 1

Literally, literally, we'll be there, though for sure we will be there.

Speaker 4

There's not even nothing you think about.

Speaker 3

Consistency is everything. What we want to leave behind is legacy, literally, you know. You want to leave behind your legacy to your kids, to your kids, kids. You know what?

Speaker 2

I mean, let's talk about what's valuable, not regarding the money. You know what I'm saying. What else is valuable when it comes to making art besides the income?

Speaker 1

Morals, Having the love for this shit Time. Because beyond, just like, even if I didn't ever make it like with the music say I never made it with the music I'm still going to be making music just because I love making it. I'm like I really love this shit. You feel me Like this is not nothing I'm faking or forcing, Like I really love making music. It's not nothing I even have to think about, Like I don't even have to like it brings so much joy to me it's damn it like getting high Hell yeah, Thanks.

Speaker 2

Cloud said morals, what you mean. What you mean, Cloud, and I'm going to get to you. When you said time Max.

Speaker 4

Morals on just like just keeping this shit true, Like niggas take everybody's style and just act like it's nothing but nobody's. You know what I'm saying? Nobody is admitting Like I'll admit if I, if I take somebody little shit and I use it as my own, but nobody wants to admit that.

Speaker 2

Just stay original yeah.

Speaker 3

So you're talking about beats like you want in lower, like sound. You know all above. You're talking about that. You want people to like you know just be creative and not take what you have.

Speaker 4

I'm saying like you can. You can take people's style and still be. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3

Yeah.

Speaker 4

You still be fine, but it's like you can't take people's style. And then when people approach you about it, you can't act like you wasn't taking people's style, because everybody's taking something from somewhere. You know what I'm saying? We all just learning from each other, don't?

Speaker 1

be too prideful to say where your source of influence is from.

Speaker 4

Yeah, am I in my.

Speaker 2

Halloween rap. I'm going to give a little. I'm going to give a little confession. I stole some bars as a rapper. I stole a bar Hold on. I know that's the weakest thing to do as an MC, right, it's not so I said I load the handgun until my hands numb and make it pop, pop with no grandson. The battle rapper, conceded, said that shit in one of his battles, right? My next bar was I'm a conceded mother fuck and I know that sipping on some cognac until my eyes roll back.

Speaker 2

So I cited my sources. I cited my sources immediately after I stole the bar. You know what I'm saying, but I did a slick.

Speaker 4

You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2

So you know, that's that. You made me. You reminded me of that shit. I've been doing that shit all the time. If I, if I steal a bar, I got to like make a reference to that artist that I stole. But, max, you said, you said, you said time, what you mean by that?

Speaker 3

Well, so I'm going to be completely honest with you. Ok, we've got a lot of rappers on this table, yeah.

Speaker 2

Give it to a vex, because I was about to put you on blast. I'm glad you're doing it yourself.

Speaker 3

And I'm a. I'm paralyzed for a very job Right, and there's always hope in the future that I'm going to walk again.

Speaker 1

Yeah, there's a lot of hope. Yeah.

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Speaker 3

Like the technology, everything. Yeah Me, walking seems to be like the, the like the, equal to a person blowing up and fucking music.

Speaker 1

All right for sure, thanks, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3

That's, that's, and I mean that in no disrespect.

Speaker 1

Oh yeah, no, no, I give exactly what you mean, bro, for sure. So I understand.

Speaker 3

So like so I'm happy people play your stuff and I've realized there's so many, there's so many people in the world that have an audience for something and like the fucking 30,000 people might be rocking scud and like you, and then they talk to their friends like who's scud Do you mean? Or like I had someone tell me who's Mr Beast the other day and I'm like I thought everybody knows Mr Beast. I don't know if you know Mr Beast, yeah.

Speaker 1

I know, mr Beast is bro. I always give him away money. Okay, you don't really need to start a regular level.

Speaker 3

Okay, that's, that's that's what I'm saying, like, so there's, there's a group for everybody. So that's something that, you know, kind of keeps my hopes up for the all the emcees that do come in here, because when I want them to succeed, I wish they all If they're putting their work, in putting their state in the lab. You know, staying hungry like hunters and gather.

Speaker 1

This is the crazy thing, bro. Niggas, don't even know that bro. There's enough people around here that make music. If we did this shit the right way, we could be the next Atlanta. Like. There's so many artists that I know that are super talented and we could take over so many different realms, but it's like everybody's a crab and a barrel pulling out in the next nigga that gets up. Instead of everybody just liking each other, should everybody sharing each other, should everybody supporting everybody shit.

Speaker 2

Bro, what I had a dream behind life to the max, like if, if our show is based off everybody else, you know we could form a fucking team on life to the max where everyone works together, every guest that we had on. I want to throw a party where you're only allowed in this bitch if you've been on the episode.

Speaker 2

You know what I'm saying you talked to everyone like, hey, I'm episode 58. Oh, yeah, I'm episode 12. You know, and then we all could, you know, mingle and all fucking work together and all share each other shit and all you know, take over these social platforms a little by little, by little by little, until we're fucking great yeah.

Speaker 3

Yeah, that. That's how it should be, though, but there's a lot of shade. You know people throw shade.

Speaker 1

You know it's like there's just a lot of hate going on. I don't know why. Like me, personally I don't even hate knows like there's like there be people like that. I'm really doing some bad shit to me. I don't even hate them just because I'm filled with so much love type of shit. You feel me so like I know everybody ain't got that in them. But like just that hate shit is just crazy. Like me, thinking about that shit, personally I'd be like gee, how's the month? How can the month even hate? Like what the fuck we all come from? The damn that the same place you get me fired up.

Speaker 2

Can I talk about animosity a little bit? What's the definition of animosity? Max, I'm fired up. What's the definition of animosity? Truly, bro, and I fucking hate when people get online and they see scuds blowing up and they get. They get to making excuses Like all it's because his dad paid for his studio time or some shit like that. Oh, it's cuz, you know, his cousin did this and that, and there my fuck is getting mad at success. Why? Why do they get mad at people's success? Cause they fucking want that shit. Instead of getting mad when they see your motherfuckers blowing up or see motherfuckers getting put on or see motherfuckers get opportunities that they want, why don't you get that drive in you and get that fire in you, seeing that it's possible that your boys is doing it, that you see local motherfuckers getting ahead of you? It's possible.

Speaker 1

Take notes. I feel like that's a lot of the shit with the Emily bro. We be popping on. Shit bro. We always fleek, we always pop out. Muffuckers, damn it, my niggas, damn, they're so, damn bougie. They don't even pop out if they don't got their hair cut or they ain't got their hair retweeted.

Speaker 2

That shit.

Speaker 1

You feel me Like this shit is just different, bro. Like Muffuck is really like I don't know. I like it's, like it's hard to even explain right now Like niggas just need to care about they. Look Niggas need to care about the shit that a when am I even taking this shit right now?

Speaker 2

You talking about your image.

Speaker 3

Animosity.

Speaker 1

Animosity man, this shit should drive people. Basically they hating. There's no reason to be hating. If anything, it should motivate you. When I see anybody get some money whether they're my homie or a stranger I'm like, damn, I want to get some money. People I see on Instagram when I'm sharing them on my story and they got 10 chains on, 20 chains on, I'm trying to get me 10, 20 chains on.

Speaker 4

I'm not hating on that shit.

Speaker 1

I'm like nah, this nigga we can. I'm not even like what the fuck? Motherfuckers make a lot of shit too personal.

Speaker 2

A lot of people hate that.

Speaker 3

If we have someone on the podcast, they say they actually have a podcast. We want to shout them out, we want to spread the word about their podcast. Because that's what you do, because when you spread the word about their podcast, our podcast gets spread, everybody gets fed, everybody gets fed, everybody gets fed.

Speaker 2

Say it again Max, everybody gets fed. Hold on before we end this segment.

Speaker 1

Hey.

Speaker 2

Siri. Definition of animosity. Come on, bitch, listen, she ain't going to read it. Strong hostility.

Speaker 3

That's where hostile right Hostile could be bad. That could be aggressive, physically hostile. You want to physically hurt this person because they're doing good. That happens a lot, rap right.

Speaker 1

For example, how Detroit's moving. Everybody just waited. They turned. Nobody was hating Everybody don't get along, but they're getting along to get this money and that's all that matters at the end of the day, what does everybody want to do? They want to blow up, get money, do the fancy shit, buy the fancy shit, take care of their family, spend the money. That's what everybody wants to do. In order to get the money, we all got to work together. There's no other way to shit can work here.

Speaker 3

Well, the South should be 100% and you know, spreading the word is just, it just helps a lot of people Like doing, doing like it's so minimal too, like you know, and we've had a few people spread the word for me, like I've reached out to people that I think we're ever going to answer me on Instagram and they do, you know, and they're just normal person.

Speaker 1

This is the craziest part about the animosity shit. It don't cost anything to show love, but the hate. It costs so much energy, so much energy that you're using to hate. It makes no sense. It's literally so easy to love.

Speaker 2

Like what my fuck is gonna realize that if I'm hating on you, you know on the side here cloud might see me hating and be like yo, fuck that. Fuck, eric bro. Why do I want to?

Speaker 1

be around this hate-naziness.

Speaker 2

All of a sudden, just because I'm hating on Skud, max and cloud don't want to fuck with me, no more. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1

Nobody wants that. Why don't you be around this?

Speaker 3

hate-naziness, and then you add that division to your friendship, boom Stop hating. I hate this person because he's with Skud but I can hang out with him when he leaves or it's like I've been in that type of shit. I said the fucking high school. Should I hate them so much?

Speaker 2

Hold on, hold on, max, but you can understand. As humans we love drama, you know. Yeah, but that's just like weird.

Speaker 1

Like real shit should be more. It should be more catchy to the eye than drama is, but for some reason in our society.

Speaker 2

Let's talk about the general population, because I'm not fucking with the drama either but, Drama is entertainment. We could literally take drama classes A heightened extent of energy and fucking emotion.

Speaker 1

The drama. Shit is only cool if you're watching reality TV with your girlfriend.

Speaker 3

No, I mean drama is the drive of life man.

Speaker 2

People get addicted to that shit.

Speaker 3

I mean, I watched it's not sassy to me. I just started watching Shameless right.

Speaker 1

Shameless is wrong bro.

Speaker 3

It's completely drama. So much drama, so much drama.

Speaker 2

But I keep watching it. But I'm saying there's people out here that don't just watch it on their TV, they love to see it in real life. Wait a minute. You heard what about Hoover? What? What'd you say about?

Speaker 1

What did they say? Blueface, for instance? Blueface is damn near more poppin' just for his drama with Christiane than he is his music.

Speaker 2

It's all over social media. Name three Blueface songs. They love it. You see, dr Phil, who else what else? You see, jerry, jerry, it's always.

Speaker 1

The sun's not mine, she's the one who People love to see bullshit like that. I do like watching shit like that. No bad, I really like watching. What is it 48 hours? That crime scene investigation.

Speaker 2

That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3

All I watch is freaking.

Speaker 1

First 48. Dude.

Speaker 3

Lil my cue. I'm fucking. I should be in a freaking. I should be in a psych ward for all the shit I watch. I ain't like this show If you go on my Twitter like right now, bro, there's some crazy shit.

Speaker 1

Cause I was watching cop shootings and shit like that, but that shit was nuts. I hate it.

Speaker 2

Next thing you know you got like cartel decapitations in your algorithm. Yeah, for real. But next. You brought up hunters and gatherers and primitive theories earlier in that episode. But like, do you have any? When you read Sapiens, did they talk about drama before?

Speaker 3

Yeah, no, they didn't Do you know what Started us talking? Just started human beings talking Like together.

Speaker 1

Gossip.

Speaker 3

Gossip was the only thing that drove people to talk to other people, and other people Like oh, he's fucking her and like they're together, like you know, like Just strange gossip, cause it spreads the word.

Speaker 4

Oh, everything is gossip, so gossip was like okay, let's see this.

Speaker 3

So gossip is this, elon.

Speaker 4

Musk bought Twitter. That's gossip.

Speaker 3

And all we did was talk about it.

Speaker 2

Humans love this shit.

Speaker 3

And then you get different emotions, different thinking Like oh, we bought Twitter, fuck, we're screwed, we're talking damn time.

Speaker 2

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3

It's all deep rooted in us, and then you get the vision, and then you get the drama.

Speaker 2

And that's how it starts. Yeah, so to wrap all this up is there's always gonna be haters and there's always gonna be supporters. You know what I'm saying? You just gotta let them play their role. However, the fuck they displayed themselves and we're coming to the end of this episode and, honestly, I think this was pretty solid.

Speaker 1

There's a lot of ways to come on here like again in some time.

Speaker 2

Bro, any motherfucking time.

Speaker 1

As a matter of fact, next episode we gotta really show off our talent and kick a little freestyle.

Speaker 3

Oh yeah for show, for show, be down to freestyle.

Speaker 2

Hell yeah, you literally forgot me. Like nice jobs God. No, no Max you know you do good Every single time. You, the motherfucking point guard Hold on you, the center Dude.

Speaker 3

this is Maddie Johnson. Yo, you shaggy cause, look cause look, you got us three.

Speaker 2

We amateurs on the podcast.

Speaker 1

Dude, he's playing like Luba Johnson. Trouble double in the first half.

Speaker 2

Hold on. Max is the master communicator on the podcast. This is his house. You know we try to shoot our shots but we miss. He get every rebound. He pick it right back up?

Speaker 3

Yeah, back then, not really, but now I'm starting to get the hang of it. You know what I? Mean, it's really put someone on the spot, put someone in the do you know what I mean? Yeah, cause you probably didn't realize. Like, oh shit, I'm on the spot, like I gotta talk. You know what I mean? You said some real good shit.

Speaker 2

I am, yeah. Anyone talking about Kogan and Shag? What about the LEU by? Do you, Max, Talking about the drama? We hit that shit real. Wrap it up.

Speaker 3

Let's go. We have to have Max with you, always speaking straight facts.

Speaker 2

Hit that, hit that melody. Hello, that's that jingle.

Speaker 3

Live to the max, alright everybody if you want to hear this episode. We also have a YouTube channel up and ready to go live. To Max podcast on YouTube. Please like and subscribe, comment and tell us what you think. We live off that feedback.

Speaker 2

We love to see your comments, we love to see the love and we love to see that. Hey, come on, bring it all. You can also find it on the plate.

Speaker 1

You can find me on TikTok and Instagram. Underscore scuddy and s s c u d d y. What about you?

Speaker 4

Cloud. Promote yourself. Man, come gossip on this video. You know what I'm saying? Comment all that shit. Follow me. 28huncho IG Shit. That's all you really need.

Speaker 2

Hell yeah, and you know what my album is like 2 years old.

Speaker 1

Go stream that shit on Spotify. Go stream that HBO. Man, I'm doing 50,000 streams on SoundCloud right now. That bitch going up.

Speaker 2

Look at us promoting together. I feel strong as hell, Max.

Speaker 3

Look at that camera. It's all the world you're living. I'm living like to the mother fucker.

Speaker 1

Max, max.

Speaker 4

Max.

Speaker 2

Hold on, hit that cloud, hit that camera and tell the people how you're living. It's killing.

Speaker 3

Hey, that bitch going, Go on speak.

Speaker 4

Man, it's life to the Max man.

Speaker 3

Y'all know how it's coming man Life to the Max. We always speak straight back, so let's go.

Speaker 2

Hit that jingle one more time. It's good, that was fire, that was fire.