Life to the Max Podcast

Double Ontendre: Mic in Hand, Game in Mind

The QuadFather

Imagine navigating life's ups and downs with the wisdom and artistry of Dre, also known as Double Ontendre. With a nod to his unique style that resonates with Bob Marley, Dre shares intimate stories of his upbringing, moving frequently as a child, and finding solace with his aunt and uncle. His candid reflections on his parents' struggles offer a poignant backdrop to his artistic journey and the significant impact his moves had on his music. 

From his first rap about oil spills in fifth grade to seriously pursuing music at 21, Dre's creative evolution is nothing short of inspiring. We explore his artistic growth, the ease that technology brings to capturing inspiration, and the power of collaboration with talented producers like Murfee. The supportive dynamics within creative communities come alive through these narratives, painting a picture of what it takes to hone one's craft amidst the challenges of maintaining artistic freedom. Dre’s story highlights not just the triumphs but also the tribulations of his journey, offering a relatable roadmap for fellow artists.

In a heartfelt exploration of emotional depth, Dre discusses how heartbreak breathes authenticity into his songwriting. Projects like "Double Vision" and "Out of Love" reveal the transformative power of personal experiences. As Dre anticipates his eighth project, "Donations," the conversation touches on the balance of self-image, motivation, and the shared humanity that music fosters. We also delve into strategies for independent artists, including the importance of frequent releases and forming strong support networks. With reflections on overcoming fear and finding confidence, the episode celebrates perseverance, unity, and the inspiring journey of an artist committed to making a meaningful impact.

Speaker 1:

I dogs, we're just trying to get by. Just a couple of puns all trying to get by. Just a couple of teens all trying to survive. Live to the max, because you don't live it twice.

Speaker 2:

A couple green thumbs all heights welcome back to another episode of life, to the. I know what all you guys were thinking right now. They're like oh, he's got a stye in his eye. That's why he's wearing sunglasses. No, wear these designer sunglasses because I want to look cool, not because there's a stye in my eye. But today we got my buddy Dre. He goes by Double Entendre.

Speaker 2:

What upre he's got a few projects out. He's fucking amazing. Uh, artists, um, in my opinion, and a lot of other people's opinions too, and uh, I'm just uh excited to finally uh get you on the pod man man Appreciate you, man, man, I've been great dude.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, yup, yup man. Overall, I think man fantastic On the up and up, you know what I mean. Sometimes you got your day sometimes, but overall, no, I'm feeling great.

Speaker 2:

So I was listening to Liquid Love the other day. That's your best album in my opinion yeah, 100%. And I was listening to get back up again classic. Yeah, I was listening to that because I was like I feel like in a different world, like this was. This song was made for me in a way. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 4:

facts, definitely in this world, in the other man, wherever that shit was definitely made for you yeah and like, like, when you say, amen, I'm just happy I can pay rent like this.

Speaker 2:

Those are the little things in life you know. I mean, yeah, you're not talking about like big booty bitches on you or anything you're like you're talking about like the littlest necessities in life. That like make a person like, that makes a person better, you know yeah, yeah, shit that everyone is definitely going through. Yeah, it has to so um do a lot of people like say you look like rob marley and all the time, bro.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, some kids told me, asked me the other day there was a big like mural of bob marley on the wall. You know, like. Is that, is that you, or is that your? Uncle, I don't know what the fuck is.

Speaker 4:

That is that your family or brothers of the yeah what's it like to like have like dreads and stuff like the maidens oh man, it's pretty simple actually, like these are free-form locks, so I kind of just let them do their own thing and it's pretty easy. Actually. It's dope, yeah, I get like pieces falling off sometimes, but like other than that, it's pretty chill.

Speaker 2:

I mean they look sick as fuck man I appreciate it. Yeah, so we've been friends for a while now. You were on one of my first episodes, episode three. Friends for a while now, you you were on one of my first episodes, episode three episode three. What's wrong with the world? Check it out. It's only on audios. So check it out on your uh listings with audios like spotify and apple music. But uh, what's wrong with the world? You were on episode three and now we're at like 73 which is crazy.

Speaker 2:

That's ridiculous actually yeah I'm pretty sure I was on 33 also, or 34 maybe yeah, you, yeah, you were, but uh, the cameras weren't up yet oh yeah, so the audio's fire though yeah so, but I like it like people can see you now.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, this is fresh Ice to the max going up, yeah man.

Speaker 2:

So let's like do a fresh interview. So I'm kind of excited to like get to know you on a more like personal level and like your life, because I never really asked questions about that. So, first off, where did you grow up?

Speaker 4:

Like where did you man? Like where did you man? I moved around like a lot as a kid, like when I was really young, like I lived in, like when I was a baby. I lived in puerto rico for a year. Um, I was born in hinsdale hospital but uh, I lived in like a bolingbrook, like romeoville, aurora, growing up. But I even lived in Minnesota at one point, in St Paul, but when I was seven I moved from Minnesota to Elburn, so I grew up in Elburn.

Speaker 2:

Wait, so you moved from St Paul.

Speaker 4:

St Paul Minnesota to Elburn.

Speaker 2:

Elburn is so small, why there?

Speaker 4:

Man dude, uh, uh, because my aunt and uncle live there. Okay, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2:

So did it feel good to finally like put like a flagpole like down, like say like this is where I'm living?

Speaker 4:

um, man, it was a lot going on in my life as a child so, um, it was nice for sure to be established somewhere, but I, even at that point I didn't know if that was gonna be permanent because, uh, my, my parents were like involved in like a lot of street shit like or like drugs and stuff growing up. So, um, I ended up moving with my aunt and uncle when I was seven years old, because my parents had a lot going on. So I didn't know what was going on actually at one point so I didn't know if I was going to stay there for forever or what. But, yes, that was when I was seven. And then, when I was 10, I want to say so I moved to Elburn before my third grade year started. My first first day of school actually, it was on my birthday in third grade, august 26. And then, uh, when I was in sixth grade, my mom and dad kind of got their shit together a little bit. Um, so it was cool. So we moved to St Charles actually. So we moved to St Charles actually. So we moved to St Charles.

Speaker 4:

Big shout out to my aunt and uncle because they just took good care of me, oh yeah, but we moved to St Charles when I was in sixth grade and I went to Thompson Middle School, but low key, that didn't even last a whole year and then my parents fell back into the street shit and the drugs and stuff. So I'm just going to put it out there. My so, um, like I'm just gonna go out there. Like my dad, he was in and out of jail like my whole life type type shit. And then my mom was like addicted to drugs for a while, for a long time.

Speaker 4:

So I ended up going back with my aunt and uncle before sixth grade it was even over went back to my aunt and uncle and then I um, so I was at the end of sixth grade and then I finished off middle school and then I went through high school out there too, in elburn shout out to caneland, caneland high school. That's where I went to high school and uh, yeah and freaking, um, but by the time I was a sophomore in high school, my mom like finally really got her shit together and uh, she gave up the drugs and shit and honestly, today is actually her 16th year sober.

Speaker 4:

like today is her anniversary, so shout out to my mom yeah man she, she definitely overcame a lot of shit and, uh, my niece was born. Um, it's almost my niece's birthday on december 15th and that was like a big thing to help her get her shit together.

Speaker 2:

So shout out to my niece bella was it uh hard like growing up like that in your upbringing.

Speaker 4:

You know like yeah, for sure it was. Uh, it was a. Yeah, it was a lot of like nights, freaking hell yeah, crying myself to sleep like just not knowing, like where my parents were, I guess.

Speaker 2:

But it was hard to understand as a kid, but I think ultimately, that's what I was going to ask, Like were you confused a little bit Like what was going on?

Speaker 4:

Yeah, for sure, A little bit. But you know, I started to catch on and it became more obvious and like it was like you can't hide type of shit, you can't hide from your kids, how do you think that affected your upbringing?

Speaker 4:

I feel like everything happens for a reason, so I don't want to say it's done, but positive at the end of the day it helped me, it affected me positively. It probably was definitely traumatic and stuff a little bit and, um, it made me like just miss my parents and like just want to grow closer to them. So like at the end of the day it was cool and I mean I feel like my relationship with my parents now is real, real dope and real tight, like and my mom are really close that's good.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, well, congratulations to your mom on sobriety.

Speaker 4:

That's hard to do yeah, right, man appreciate it, thank you. Shout out to mom was good.

Speaker 2:

My soul was bobby yeah, shout out to your uncle on the internet.

Speaker 4:

Yeah for real.

Speaker 2:

It's really cool that they took you in. I don't know a lot of people that do that. I'm not around that. I kind of had a similar childhood when I was seven years old and it changed when I got into fifth grade. So I kind of understand what you're saying, but yours was more extreme for sure. So when you were a kid, what was your favorite thing to do?

Speaker 4:

Man playing outside? For sure, playing outside. My aunt and uncle had a dope trampoline kicking it outside. They had like a nice beautiful yard and stuff. So playing outside we used to like make bow and arrows out of like sticks and shit and string. That's just fun.

Speaker 2:

Wait what?

Speaker 4:

Yeah, we used to like run around and like make bow and arrows out of sticks and like strings and like just find fun stuff to do around the house outside, run around yeah that's cool, but also out in Elburn, bro. There's like nothing to do, so you get in a lot of shit.

Speaker 3:

Absolute boonies out in Elburn. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, my sister lives in Elburn, so I know what you're talking about. I actually moved in with her for a little bit, right on Main Street when at. Like right on Main Street, where? Like right on main street, right like downtown?

Speaker 4:

yeah, by the reams no, yeah, my reams, yeah, like in the apartments up there yeah because, like dude, when I was in a sophomore year and my mom got us together, we got an apartment above the uber and dental, right next to the train tracks, so it was like on the opposite side of the tracks.

Speaker 2:

But have you ever been to reams?

Speaker 4:

oh yeah, I grew up going to that place that place is so good bro it's so good.

Speaker 2:

They know they're good because they close at four pm that's me marketing it around straight up.

Speaker 4:

Their beef jerky is amazing coming up.

Speaker 2:

I used to eat that and their beer sticks so when, uh when you were growing up, who were your role models?

Speaker 4:

I guess, man, when I was growing up my uncle got me super into sports and shit, so he put me in basketball and football and stuff. So I liked like, uh, duane wade was dope, I didn't. I feel like I didn't have like crazy amount of role models, I feel like until until I was like maybe got more so in like high school and like get inspired by like some of my favorite artists, even before I decided like to start rapping and shit. Like getting inspired by like j cole what made you start rapping?

Speaker 3:

what gave you the inspiration to start just like making your own music instead of just appreciating others music?

Speaker 4:

man, um, just like freestyling, my friends, it was getting high, getting high, like just in star writing actually I'm gonna specifically one scenario like it think it was 420 and me and my homie, keith and my brother we walked to like the highest point elburn it was. That it's like a hill downtown, across from this community center, is a church and at the top of the hill up there is the highest point In Elburn. We walked up there and then we're smoking, just getting high as hell, and then my boy Keith Just starts rapping, like just starts roasting me, like rap battling me. I'm like what the fuck?

Speaker 4:

And I was just, it was so funny I couldn't even write back, but I was just Dying laughing. And then we'd always Just After that.

Speaker 2:

So you say, you freestyle, freestyle.

Speaker 4:

You want to freestyle, I'm going to freestyle my life to the max right now.

Speaker 4:

I bet it's like shut up Max, dolce and Gabbana on my face. Only facts I don't rock the product, I don't waste no time. I got to keep it moving and I stay super inclined to spit a couple rhymes and I stay on the climb. I'm moving and I'm grooving. Shout out to my dudes we vibing with some humans, different hues of light, raise the energy and I doze it right. Oh, stay no enemies, because it's peaceful life. I just gotta be what I gotta be. Shout out to my peeps evb chilling right behind the camera. Uh, decently, I'm trying to float panoramas painting it. Hey, what, nah, shit he said my name max.

Speaker 3:

He said my name.

Speaker 4:

That could have been better, but yo, yo, that was not great.

Speaker 3:

I should have been beatboxing my bad. Yeah shit, how long have you been doing that?

Speaker 4:

Man, since I was like 16, probably. Actually, I wrote my first rap when I was in fifth grade, actually.

Speaker 3:

What was it about?

Speaker 4:

It was about oil spills. It was like a school project about oil spills yeah, it was like we had to do something if uh for the class and uh, yeah, writing a song was the option.

Speaker 2:

So that is, it wasn't that with the bpo oil spills 2011, it was 2011 evie oh, oh, sorry or 2010. Damn, it was 420. It was 420.

Speaker 3:

What.

Speaker 2:

Dude, the BP oil spill was 420.

Speaker 4:

Oh really.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, Jesus.

Speaker 4:

What's that called?

Speaker 2:

Another fucking bad day for 420.

Speaker 4:

Damn.

Speaker 2:

Hitler's birthday BP oil spill.

Speaker 4:

Thanks a lot BP.

Speaker 2:

All right, let's get. Want BP at Williamsville. Thanks a lot, bp. All right, let's get back to you, bro. So when did you finally get the confidence to start writing your own music?

Speaker 4:

Man back when I lived in Elbrun it was probably in high school, for sure. Well, I decided when I was 16 that I wanted to take this shit seriously. So that's when I started writing and stuff and like crafting my my pen and stuff. And I remember I think the first rhyme I ever got through uh, it was over a dom kennedy beat. I wish I could remember the rhyme I had written down somewhere before my old phones. But, um, that that beat I I've like finally fucking created like a whole rhyme. So I was like I show my friends and then I just kept writing from there. But like it took like for like the first five years from since. I decided when I was 16 to start rapping. I was like mostly just like sharpening my pen, I guess by myself, and and just freestyling like a motherfucker, freestyling like crazy. But I didn't actually put out any music until I was 21.

Speaker 4:

Wow I think I was 21.

Speaker 2:

So you were 16 and it took until you were 21 to put out music.

Speaker 4:

My first piece of music I put out in 2017. So how the fuck old was I? That was seven years ago, I think.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, seven years ago.

Speaker 4:

Seven, almost eight, yeah, so yeah, that's why I put my first.

Speaker 2:

So you've been doing this since high school, basically, yeah, and, of course, your project about oil spills. Yep, yep, yep. Yeah.

Speaker 4:

I forgot about that. Yup, fifth grade, can I forget? That shaped me for sure.

Speaker 2:

So can you explain the progression of how making music is like easier now than it was before?

Speaker 4:

I feel like at this point I just don't force anything and I just try to just let it flow through me like a vessel for sure. And uh, I feel like you can rap about anything or like, as long as you pick a topic, you can go in about anything. But I guess a lot of times you're just trying to rap about and like write about how you're feeling, but if you get inspiration from something, then you're off to the races, like it's just like let that shit flow.

Speaker 2:

What about the technology? Is it easier than Is it? Is it easier now than before?

Speaker 4:

I was never afraid to grab the pen and pad and write on paper. I had so many rhymes written on paper. But just being able to whip out your phone I guess in public, if you get an idea, if you don't have any paper on you, that makes it much easier.

Speaker 3:

Are you making your own beats or are you collabing with other people to make the project?

Speaker 4:

I'm collabing with other people nice, but I want to start actually this winter.

Speaker 2:

Start locking in like, make some beats well, now that we're talking about making beats, I mean like, uh, I just had murphy on the podcast and he's uh, he's a, he's a real good, he's a real good kid, young, very young, and he's producing like some pretty high skill, like type music so, even more so since last time you've seen him probably because him moving out to wisconsin he's just like sharpening and shit and he's definitely he sent me some dope, dope ass stuff that he's been working on.

Speaker 2:

He's just getting better and better what made you like uh, put him under your wing.

Speaker 4:

Man dude. When I first met him it was at the West Chicago Social Club and I'm like, yeah, I just see, I was there to support, see my other homies. But then I see Young Murphy go on stage and he had a nice little crowd of his friends in the building. I was like, okay, damn, let me see what this kid's got. And he and he had some some fresh ass shit and I was just like is, it was like beautiful to see young cat just doing his thing. I was like, damn, this is dope, he's got his people right there with him. And uh, it was raw and like just the fact that he was self-producing all of his shit and he wrote his own shit and like he had like a certain like little swag to him. So I was in and uh, he had this one song. It was like some some latin shit and he knows what I'm talking about. Like yeah it's fire.

Speaker 4:

I was like all right, I fuck with this kid, I fuck with it. And in my he got the co-sign from my homies jose and effron, who are right there artcision, they go by november. Media now. Uh, but they were like telling me about him and I think they were already talking to him, so I was like checking him out and shit he's a.

Speaker 2:

He's a super smart kid, because not a lot of people know he has like a tbi and stuff you know. So like they wouldn't, they wouldn't think that this guy's like cooking up like straight, like gas, like beats you know like he's producing hard like, so he looks up to you very, very highly bro yeah he does like when we were talking about you. Uh, he was like man, if I go somewhere, dre's coming with me thanks bro, so that's my dog shout out to Murphy big shout out to Murphy.

Speaker 4:

What up kid, he's good yeah.

Speaker 3:

I think I asked Murphy the same question do you think that the scene in Chicago is like supportive of other artists trying to make it up?

Speaker 4:

um, man in a sense, but I guess not always. No, I some, some, some. Yeah, there's pockets of people that support, like groups of homies I guess I don't want to call them cliques or whatever, but like people support their gang and their people, like their group of friends, and they want to see them make it. I'd say, for the most part, man. It does seem like really competitive, though, and like and not everyone it can be like crabs in a bucket type of shit, I want to talk about you opening for waka flaka yeah that must have been insane that was dope.

Speaker 4:

Shout out waka means it don't pass individually we'll talk about that, oh sorry that jumped the gun.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I got excited. Yeah, that's pretty.

Speaker 2:

That's pretty sick though. So when you're uh writing, is it like therapeutic to you?

Speaker 4:

yeah, bro, yep, if I this, there's been times, especially, where I'm just like I don't even know what the fuck is going on here and I can't. I don't even know what I'm feeling, just like. So I'm just, I just gotta do something, I just gotta write and like. Some of my most beautiful shit is coming from that do you have you ever like?

Speaker 2:

you broke down, started crying while you were writing?

Speaker 4:

not necessarily, I don't think so. I mean maybe evoked like certain emotions, like I feel like like a big feeling I get when I'm like I'm in the zone of shit and I'm just like. It's just like damn, I love this shit so much. It's like holy shit, this just makes me so happy. It's like overwhelming, like joy. I love this shit so much. It's like holy shit, this shit makes me so happy. It's like overwhelming, like joy yeah. So to the point where I'm like damn, I could damn near cry right now, for sure.

Speaker 2:

Right.

Speaker 4:

But also if I was like painting something super emotional, like maybe about my love life or something, for instance. I don't think it's ever brought me like to tears but Does it come from joy or heartbreak, Like have?

Speaker 4:

you ever been heartbroken? Yeah, for sure both. I feel like that's the beauty of it, is like you can just express any emotions with your pen and like you don't even got to be writing it. You can just like just talk that shit out to the mic, whatever, freestyle whatever, just talk that shit out to the mic, whatever, freestyle, whatever.

Speaker 2:

So I know that you back then I don't know if you do now but I know you made a lot of music over about your ex yeah, and your music's fire.

Speaker 4:

Thank you bro.

Speaker 2:

It really is. So shout out to her for being like inspiration to you oh, big thanks, bro.

Speaker 4:

Motivation, definitely, definitely, yeah, um, cassandra, bro, she's a huge inspiration for me. I feel like a lot of my great shit has been inspired by a woman I was just wondering, like, like was the heart?

Speaker 2:

did the heartbreak like make your like your music and your craft better?

Speaker 4:

Yeah, I'd say so. I feel like there was a big point in my career where I'm like man, I feel like I was just doing my thing, this and that. And then there was a point where I'm like I felt a pull in myself because there was a lot going on with the heartbreak shit and I'm like I. It was a part of me that didn't want to tell the truth and like I felt like I was lying in my own relationship. So I haven't put that in the songs.

Speaker 4:

I'm like some of my older shit, like on my album, like double vision, like one of my songs out of love, for instance it's just like I felt like so torn inside or like materialized.

Speaker 4:

I felt like so, so like, like, I felt like I was lying to my relationship. So I'm like lying to myself and I'm I can't even like express myself fully and even when I'm right, right in the shit, because this shit that I'm hiding from, from whoever, if you're lying to anybody, you're really just lying to yourself, and especially when it comes to your significant other. Because how can you be full of like, faith and love if you're like hiding a part of yourself or like say you've done something that you regretted, Like I'm not going to lie, Like I cheated on Cassandra a bunch of times and not like I ever intended to be a cheater, but it was always to the point where I had to tell her because I couldn't hold a lie, and it got to the point where I would either be writing about it whether it's one way or another, like the truth has got to come out.

Speaker 2:

So it was like, yeah, well, I mean like she's probably doing good, you're doing good yeah yeah and uh, you're making really good music, man, which which comes back to this question, so you have like seven projects out now, right, I got an eighth one in the cut.

Speaker 4:

I, I yeah, I really want to drop it at the end of this month. It's a lot going on, but uh, I gotta just make the decision and pull the plug what's uh, what's it called? It's called donations donations with an A in it. Donations with an A.

Speaker 2:

Oh, with an A yeah.

Speaker 4:

It's just to represent my eighth project and us being in the year of the eight oh.

Speaker 2:

That's why I feel like I got to drop it before the year's over.

Speaker 4:

Do you have how many songs? I'm going for 15. At least 14. I was going like could've been like 17, 18. I'm like trying to narrow it down, make sure it's all cohesive and stuff. So I got like fucking hella songs in the cut. Bro, I got at least 30, 40 songs in the cut. I just gotta just start dropping shit what keeps you motivated?

Speaker 4:

man just being the greatest that I could be for sure, being the greatest that I I could possibly be, seeing myself where I want to be, and like having that fire to like to perform at a level that I really want to be at, like you got to see yourself there and you putting yourself there is going to give you the energy to actually act upon that and like like it's all about your self-image. I feel like Trying to maintain a high self-image and like if I really see myself where I want to be and like if I see myself as like the greatest that I could be, then I got to have certain expectations for myself and like be able to maintain that fire and just like fucking and at the end of the day, it's just like I just love doing it, so it's like fuck.

Speaker 2:

When I look at you and you're like just staring and you're like talking. I feel like you're like like just staring and you're like talking. I feel like you're like looking into the future. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2:

yeah bro, like I, right right now, I get that. So that's what I was thinking I had. I was like he's like looking into the future. He's like looking five years ahead right now. Like he's like I want to be the greatest, I want to be good at my craft, I want to get better. Like that's what motivates me exactly bro.

Speaker 4:

It's like a pull, it's pulling yeah, yeah, it was all.

Speaker 2:

That was a surreal moment, dang. So when you're writing and you find you you're like, do this hot, like when you're writing your music, what does it feel like to perform it on stage to, like you know, like 500 people?

Speaker 4:

Man, it's, it's fucking exciting as hell, bro. I want to say, like they say, exciting excitement and nervousness is like the same feeling that people say that. So it's like. It's like. It's like if you're going I learned that a long time ago because, like, you could be so, like, so nervous to get on stage. I'm like, oh shit, swambo is like, and then you could fucking make yourself sick or something, like you, like you can psych yourself out big time. But you, when you get the idea that being excited and nervous is the same uh feeling, it's just how you interpret it. It then it helps you like shift your attitude and your mentality to be like, no, I'm ready, I'm locked in. I'm like I'm about to give it to these people, like they need to hear this. I'm about to resonate with these people hard, hit them in the heart like do you see it, do you?

Speaker 2:

do you see the people like rocking with you when you, when you're playing your stuff?

Speaker 4:

like, if I can, I can. I want to connect with every person in the crowd, like directly with their hearts to their heart, heart to heart with everybody, and like kind of like we're all one heart, like it's just like because, no matter where you go on the stage, you could be facing away from the crowd and not looking at anyone. But if you're spitting it right, if you're like, if you're coming from your heart and have that intention to hit everybody else in their hearts, you could be looking at the crowd or not, you could be like laying down, it doesn't even matter at that point. But when you're moving around and like you're in it and like the energy is right, it's just like you're flowing, you're feeling so good, it's just like you want to uplift people. You want to. I'm sending like praise to people.

Speaker 4:

I'm trying to inspire you as much as you inspire me right now, just to go crazy.

Speaker 2:

So you can't just be stiff on the stage. You have to do some good crowd control, you have to feel the crowd. Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure you got to use your intuition, Feel it out. You got to be relaxed. I feel like you want to stay relaxed as possible. Be chill, because when you're relaxed, you can like, do whatever the fuck you want. You can run around, jump, jump up and down you can, freaking, be chill.

Speaker 2:

So throughout the years, like with your projects, did you see like your fan base grow more.

Speaker 4:

Uh, yeah, man, I had some random ladies at jewel today. She, she's like she's like.

Speaker 2:

She's like, dang. I saw you perform recently. I've been bumping this song. It was it's dope as fuck. But how does that feel? How does that feel, man? Like knowing like someone comes up to you. It's like I really like your music and like you don't know. You don't even know who they are it's cool, it's it's.

Speaker 4:

It makes me feel like your shit's paying off, like it's you're not just doing it for nothing, which, at the end of the day, you're doing the shit to serve humanity and like give as much as like it's like selfish, like I just want to write for myself and like but if I like didn't give it to humanity, or like if I wasn't writing to uplift the next person, if I'm just like trying to like hype myself up or something, it's like it's not, it's not as fulfilling.

Speaker 4:

But if I'm trying to like hype, hype you up, that's gonna hype me up at the end of the day anyway. So I was like, and I want to make you feel something, I want to resonate with something. I want to, yeah, connect at the end of the day, connection with people and yeah, I feel like my fan base, like I've connected with a lot more people, which is more and more over the years. Uh, there was like my old instagram had got hacked at like 2300 followers or something, but uh, I mean I'm building my shit back up slowly right now, but I guess.

Speaker 4:

But I mean I could be moving at light speed if I really wanted, if I was like posting every day, which I should be like I feel like I should be getting my shit out on the daily to as many people as possible, for sure, but I guess sometimes even I mean you mentioned.

Speaker 4:

You mentioned it's hard to like do social media it can be if, if you're not in the right mentality to do it, yeah, then it's just like it is hard it, but I mean, it's just how you're thinking about it at the end of the day, and that just goes for anything do you think it's better to release like long form albums, or do you think that like single by single is kind of the way that the music industry is moving?

Speaker 4:

uh, man, I feel like sing it depends. I feel like, especially for artists like me, as an independent artist, we should just be putting out as much music as possible, especially even on a weekly basis, single by single, and then maybe hit them with a project. But like, uh, sometimes it just gets overwhelming, especially when you don't got like a solid team around you. You can be like holding on to so much music and like you could like should have been putting out music, but you're just holding it. You might be waiting on like some cover art that you got to get done or something. So if you have someone dedicated to your cover arts, you can start cranking them out.

Speaker 4:

But I've been doing a lot of research on it too. Week by week, really just build momentum each week. If you're putting out good music every single week, what fan is not going to like that? But then I feel like I've always been the type of person that loves projects and listen to a project front to back because it's like a whole experience. So I like to put out projects, but I feel like the more music the better, whether you're releasing it week by week or releasing a project every few months, or you can release a project once a month. Like papoose he's a, he's a dope artist. He fucking for a whole year straight.

Speaker 2:

He released a project every month like currency bro, he's got so much fucking projects do you think you would get more like I don't know like notoriety, more attention, more attention if you uh released like a song every week, rather than like having a project?

Speaker 4:

um, yeah, I feel like at the end of the day, if you're releasing a song a week, that's a good way to build momentum. But even at this point it comes down to even marketing. Like if you're, if you would just drop a song a week and then just like don't tell anybody about it, then you can't really expect it to do too much, unless it's like really really fire and the word of mouth is crazy. But if you like say you drop a song a week, you're going gonna want to be promoting it for one, to build it up and then drop the next one. You'd be leading into the next one. Then you build a fucking big ass, avalanche, snowball effect and keep going. Um, but if I was like just putting out a song a week and like not really promoting them as I should, then it seems lazy.

Speaker 2:

Is that what you're trying to say?

Speaker 4:

Yeah, it is lazy, and it's like it's lazy and it's like, at that point, if you're going to be doing a song a week, I feel like you want to make sure you're promoting them heavily, because you want the song to get the recognition it deserves.

Speaker 2:

Right.

Speaker 4:

Especially, you put your heart in that shit and you want people to hear your music. At the end of the day, if you're putting on music you want to, it's for them, it's for you, it's therapeutic for you to get out but like you got to give it to the world at the end of the day so so we, uh, we mentioned earlier that you opened up for walk of fog, of flame.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's pretty, that's pretty awesome. Man, that's a big name. How was that?

Speaker 4:

it was dope, it was cool. The piazza is a great venue like big ass stage um what's the capacity of that venue?

Speaker 3:

do you know?

Speaker 4:

man, at least a thousand like probably more than a thousand were you the only opener. No, there was a handful other ones, but I was like two people before waka yeah oh shit, yeah, did you meet his sign language interpreter?

Speaker 3:

no, I didn't see one because, because his sign language interpreters are the star of the show. I'm bad. They get so into it literally it's crazy.

Speaker 4:

I love seeing that shit.

Speaker 3:

I wish I didn't have one you've never seen that max what they can do yeah, they like they, they dude. I gotta felt I gotta pull up a video hold on.

Speaker 4:

They're like rapping with their hands I gotta see this. We're pulling up a video those sign language interpreters are nutty like ridiculously awesome.

Speaker 3:

I love that shit how did you get that show, jay?

Speaker 4:

okay. So, um, I know the promoter of the venue, um, bobby, afterlife he hooks me up. Uh, he actually actually, um, first time I met him was back in the day probably like 2019 I think or some shit, or 2018, when I opened up for jaw rule, which fucking, uh, eric helped me get that show. Yeah, eric and cassandra, bro, they helped me get that shit. But, uh, bobby was a promoter there, but he's the current promoter of the Piazza and the town in Aurora. They're both in Aurora, but man, bobby hooked me up with a bunch of, like a few shows since that job. The Waka was the latest one, but then we did Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, like a couple months ago in September, and then Cottonmouth Kings in January you did Bone Thugs-N-Harmony.

Speaker 2:

Yeah that one was bigger than the walker show, bro. Well, yeah, that shit was crazy. Can you, uh, do you think you can rap every like lyric that, um, one of the one of the bone thugs? Like bone thugs is so hard to like, like you know, like like to like listen to the rap and like try to.

Speaker 4:

I know, right, like you hear what they're saying like, yeah, the whole time, yeah it's like now have you seen this?

Speaker 3:

he, he walk the clock, doesn't realize that it's, it's, that it's sign language. He thinks she's, she's going crazy oh snap and he gets down. He goes down with her yo, yo he's raw so he's like let's go.

Speaker 2:

Oh my god, that's so funny, they really do get into it.

Speaker 4:

He's dope man, he hypes up everybody. Did you end?

Speaker 3:

up meeting him, or was it kind of just like a bypass thing?

Speaker 4:

Briefly, I was able to give him a sticker while he was in his car through the window, so I didn't get to talk to him.

Speaker 2:

Well, I mean it's cool, you got to open up for him yeah yeah, and bone thugs bro you're doing the right thing, man yeah, I've opened up for like a lot decent amount of people.

Speaker 4:

Dude, I'm not gonna lie, I'm gonna start naming some more like bone thugs, waka, flaka, dave, east. Uh, the whalers, the original whalers, like bob marley and the whales obviously recipes by marley, but it was only one of the original members was still like alive, but he was there. Al anderson, yeah. So the whalers fucking uh token, ja, rule g herbo uh, open up for you open up for g or well? Yeah, like two or three times one, two did you change the name?

Speaker 2:

it's like a little herb now nah, still g herbo.

Speaker 4:

I just saw him the other day. Excellent.

Speaker 2:

I know it's Lil' Herbo. I just saw G Herbo.

Speaker 4:

Man.

Speaker 2:

Wait, you just saw him the other day.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, he performed the other day. I didn't like talk to him, but oh, I thought you were like. We kicked it the other day.

Speaker 2:

I'm like, wait what I know, right? Nah, we should be. That's how I want to be talking. Yeah, it says G Erbo's old name was Lil Er. He made a song called Fuck man. This song was so good.

Speaker 4:

Really.

Speaker 2:

It was like kill shit, Kill shit. You know that song Kill Shit.

Speaker 4:

Man probably.

Speaker 2:

Maybe honestly, I don't know I'm not going to, I can't play it because of, you know, copyright, copyright, yeah, copyright, yeah. So what do you recommend to young artists out there that are struggling?

Speaker 4:

Man, study as much as you can understand, like the gaming shit. Like uh, man, get your paperwork right. And like knowing that, uh, this shit is a business and like you're an artist, like the but this is at the end of straight, at the end of the day, it is a business. Like the music industry is like a fucking business.

Speaker 4:

So understanding that and like gaining knowledge and like what it means to be an independent artist versus like the music industry is like a fucking business, so understanding that and like gaining knowledge, and like what it means to be an independent artist versus like the science will label, and like understanding record labels. And like contracts and shit and like no, no, like how to negotiate contracts for when they come, and like uh, not just being like so readily, just ready to sign shit right not and like signing your life away.

Speaker 4:

Like just like gaining leverage and knowing. Like knowing that you have all the power as an independent artist. Like if you put all your line, all your shit up in order. And like you capitalize on your social media. Like there's no reason why we shouldn't be making.

Speaker 2:

Like being able to easily support our dreams and shit I was telling uh, murphy, like these guys want him to wear his clothes and like they're only paying him like 50 bucks a show or whatever and I'm like dude, fuck that. You know your worth, know your worth okay you know, that's what I told him I was like next time you say 150 and they say fuck it and say thanks for the free clothes. I'm not wearing it yeah do you know your worth?

Speaker 2:

for sure yeah you know, and when you said like uh, being an independent artist and signing to a record label, like what's the difference?

Speaker 4:

man. So a record label can, depending on the context they have and shit, they can do a lot for you and shit. But uh, they might want to limit your creative freedom for some reason. They might want to uh put you on a certain release schedule, or they might you might not have as much creative freedom as you want, or, but they might have the like, the contacts and connections, but at the end of the day, they might be robbing you of like hella money, like even though they're putting your shit out there, they're making so much more money than you a lot of time, even though you're the one with the like, the art, like you're the vital key to the fucking puzzle. Like they can't they can't even exist without you, like their record labels. You are the main piece of the puzzle, but a lot of artists get fucked over in in their record deals.

Speaker 2:

The agents always fuck over the artists, right, because they're like hey, like we're gonna sign you for like five million dollars. I made it right. Okay, I made it. Now you're, you're signed for five million dollars at universal. But now they say, hey, you can't rap about this and you can't rap about that, or you can't write about this, right, I mean?

Speaker 3:

you also got to pay all the back because, in advance.

Speaker 4:

We'll be like, yeah, we'll give you five million for this, but you have to pay it all back before you can make any money exactly they'll be like we'll, we're taking, like, of all the total revenue coming in, we're going to split it like, hypothetically, six, uh, 70, 30 or whatever, just hypothetically they might get 70 and you get 30, and then they're gonna take from that five million. They're gonna take it from your 30 and then give you the rest really yeah, wow, I did not know that.

Speaker 2:

I thought they just like gave you the money oh no, yeah, you gotta pay that back because they got like chains and stuff. Do you think that? Uh, do you think the agencies are like like giving them the chains um it probably.

Speaker 4:

Sometimes yeah, it depends a lot of artists will get their advance and they'll blow it on a chain or like a car or some shit and then the it's not really doing anything from where they could have bought, like, built a studio, bought a crib and built a studio in it yeah because? Then, because if the record label was paying for studio time, you got to pay that back too. They're paying for video shoots, you, you're paying for that shit so you're paying for the video.

Speaker 4:

It's not the right, not the record label pretty sure, yeah, so most of the time like a lot of time let's make this like like short and sweet.

Speaker 2:

But uh, drake has ovo right, but he but he signed a universal correct um, something like that.

Speaker 3:

He's talking about going, yeah, independent right now, or some shit, and not having a label because they own you and they own a lot of the clauses would be like they'll own your intellectual property yeah, yeah, if they own your masters, that's fucked, bro, because you made that art and that's just yours.

Speaker 4:

It should be yours, like, at the end of the day. I mean you, you want that. That's your intellectual property.

Speaker 3:

Do you think that labels are like becoming obsolete with the rise of social media? Do you think that, like the, the pros outweigh the cons, or vice versa?

Speaker 4:

I'm like going through that struggle right now, like so hard, like debating like what I even want to sign to a label if they're not like for one. If they're, if you know, if they don't know your true worth, like you gotta know your worth and like see where it's all ultimately, where you see yourself, and like because, yeah, with social media, if you know what the fuck you're doing, you could be making 100k, like way more money in your own pocket and you're not having to deal with any middleman labels and you can fucking move, travel, do whatever fuck you want, release music on your own schedule. If you know what you're doing and, like you have a loyal fan base, then yeah, you really don't need a record label. You are the record.

Speaker 2:

You start your own rec label if you uh search like a one-hit wonder that signed your record label and lost all his money.

Speaker 3:

There's actually a few. During the rise of Eminem there was a couple other white rappers that signed to labels and they just held on to other music and they never released it because they didn't want to compete with Eminem. I'll have to look that up. I forget his name.

Speaker 2:

No, no, I'm talking about like now, like the SoundCloud rappers, like search, search like a One Hit Wonder SoundCloud rapper and like see, like, if they, if like they, just like, literally like it was a One Hit Wonder and they lost all their money because, island boy, no, I'm sorry all right, I'm thinking like lil xan or some shit what's the other one?

Speaker 2:

like little pop, is he still good? Man, I don't even fucking know bro I just I'm just like kind of curious now, like to like how bad they take advantage of you man, they can really take advantage.

Speaker 4:

Not saying all regular labels do take advantage of you, like or not like you, I feel like regular labels can be super beneficial uh, especially if you're guys are going to a partnership, like for sure, like I feel like at the end of the day, they shouldn't be trying to own your masters and uh well, because then you just become a work for hire, like they're just gonna hire you to record the music and then they pay you a lump sum.

Speaker 3:

So they get all this profit, but you just get paid. You know whatever here we're going to give you. You know 500K and we made you know $7 million on your record, but you only made you know yeah, Exactly, that does happen a lot.

Speaker 2:

Did NWA go through that? Yeah, something. Nwa go through that? Yeah, something like that. They uh were getting fucked by the label, they were getting fucked by the manager, and then Ice Cube went uh independent, right and then Dr Dre branched off yeah, then Dr Dre branched off.

Speaker 2:

I was just wondering, like, cause like for all like the listeners out there that are, like, aspiring to be artists, like don't fall victim to these record labels. Make sure you do your research. Make sure you pay the money for a lawyer to like look over your stuff. Make sure it's a good lawyer too, because we want to make sure you're doing good and that you, like can actually, you know, persevere and make a living off of what you're doing. Just like Dre, you know, like like we don't, we don't know all the boilerplate like paperwork that's going on record labels. Just make sure you do your homework. That's what I would say. 100% definitely. So we have a friend. We have a friend, eric, and he said he's been in writer's block since like 2020. So how do you think you get out of writer's block?

Speaker 4:

either step away for a second and get some inspiration, or you, freaking, start writing and you, freaking, just go, just write, write whatever. Fuck. I don't care you might write the shittiest 16 of your go, just write. Write whatever. I don't care you might write the shittiest 16 of your life, but just write something.

Speaker 2:

But what if, like that writing like even if you're in writer's block and you start writing and it's shitty, it makes you feel worse, do you think?

Speaker 4:

Sometimes it might think. You might think you get real self-conscious at first. In the beginning You're like like damn, this is shitty, this is trash, whatever. Like like first couple bars, but you gotta just, you might just won't have to see where it goes. You might just be a little self-conscious, who knows like. But I feel like if you get over, like there's a, there's a famous saying. It says if you want the energy, do the thing. Okay, just do it like it wasn't.

Speaker 2:

Like you say, just do it do you, um, do you see yourself branching out to different genres of music? Like you know, post-war, like this went from rap to uh country and uh shibuzee I think he was the only country but like, do you see yourself like going from like rap to like a rap, like to like a hip-hop country or to like a hip-hop reggae? Uh?

Speaker 4:

man? Yeah for sure I wouldn't want to limit myself um, creatively in any way, but I feel like hip-hop is just like the root of all the shit that I do. So I mean as an mc, I mean I know I'm a versatile as an artist and uh, I've, I've rhymed over plenty of like rock, like rock, like bands I mean costa rica is like yeah, that's too exactly.

Speaker 2:

That's like a spanish song, kind of yeah exactly.

Speaker 4:

I would drop a whole project like that, or like a whole. Like what's on some reggae shit. I would drop a whole project like that, or like a whole. Like what's on some reggae shit.

Speaker 2:

I would drop a project like that yeah, so you're an artist, you're not a rapper. Yeah, no, I'm an MC, you're not an MC. I'm an artist and an MC. What does MC stand for?

Speaker 4:

Rap is something you do. Hip hop is something you live Like. Hip hop rap is just an like, um, like, mc, like, what is the mc? You?

Speaker 2:

said, yeah, what does it stand for? Um master of ceremonies, I guess. But uh, damn, you got it right.

Speaker 4:

I thought I was music creator uh, nah yeah, so yes yeah, master of ceremonies, but in in that and like true hip-hop, you spell it like E-M-C-E-E yeah.

Speaker 3:

MC. Otherwise it's a Catholic thing. Yeah, really.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, yeah, I don't even know. It was like cause, like anyone could be an MC, like hosting, hosting a show. It's like that's technically like the MC. They call that someone who's so you might not even be making music or like rapping or anything, but it's like ryan seacrest. He's like the mc of like fucking new year's rockin eve type shit, exactly, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 2:

So yeah, so like so I'm like the mc of, like podcasting. I'm just kidding, yeah, damn it.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, you're the mc of life to the max podcast.

Speaker 2:

We'll give you that one facts, facts exactly what was uh the proudest moment in your life the proudest moment in my life.

Speaker 4:

I know that's a tough question, like I not even not even like of the music, like just in general anything in general, the proudest moment in your life, bro.

Speaker 2:

He's really thinking man.

Speaker 4:

I mean I feel like I've done like I've. I felt proud about a lot of things I guess, like opening up for different artists, this and that, getting to places, I guess, um, when having my music being recognized, that was definitely in like being perceived, and like accepting like people, like really being like damn, no one on my hard work paid off and shit, that and that actually have honed my skills to be a solid, like a great artist. I feel like that. That makes me proud for sure.

Speaker 2:

When did you feel that the first time?

Speaker 4:

Man, I want to say like probably like 2019 or something, like just getting some real recognition and be like actually man, honestly, it even might even go back to further than that and like me really just writing my first rhyme and like showing my homies and they're being like yo, that shit is dope, and like getting like that recognition and like seeing like damn, I can do this and I knew, like I knew I could and I fucking I'm doing it are you ever nervous to show people your music?

Speaker 4:

yeah, for sure. That's why it took me so long to put my music out, because I was like I was. It was times where I'm like I just want to freestyle so bad right now in front of these people, but I fucking I didn't because I was scared, or I was like I was scared of myself out there. I remember specifically, uh, me and Cassandra and like went to this house party one time in the backyard and like actually like me is like we're on the way to the party and it was me, cassandra and like three of her friends like cruising to the party and like some shit, I just wanted to freestyle so bad that like a beat came out or something. I'm like I man, I wanted to freestyle so bad and then I fucking did it and I was like fuck, missed opportunity. And then we get to this party in the backyard there's these two dudes rapping and shit and they're like going back and forth freestyle and I'm like I wanted so bad just to hop in that bitch and I fucking did it.

Speaker 4:

And I remember going back home to cassandra's crib actually that night and just like she's passed out and I'm just like laying there, like thinking to myself like I was like legit, like pissed at myself and I'm like I will not let that shit happen again. Like that was like one of the moments where I'm like it was like a defining moment, because it's like so, are you going to take this shit seriously or not? Like bro, like what, are you so scared to put yourself out there? For it's like you gotta be, you gotta jump off the ledge if you want to fly.

Speaker 2:

But and now you're performing in venues with like a thousand plus people. Yeah, how does that feel? I think you jumped off that cliff man, exactly, we sure did.

Speaker 4:

We jumped, we jumped, baby, we're flying, we're flying. Sometimes it gets a little turbulent and like it's some rough winds and shit, but you got to, man, you got to exactly. You got to keep flying, like and realize that, damn, you are flying. And you got to have faith in yourself, always Like.

Speaker 4:

Sometimes, yeah, I get I'm not going media sometimes like because I want to be on social media, like just inspiring people, like I know that I can, and like I'm like why the fuck not? And like. But sometimes, yeah, I guess I just get in my own insecurity and shit and like, but it's like gaining confidence in yourself. You've got to have faith in yourself. You've got to be able to see yourself where you want to be and like you got to. You got to do this shit for somebody. You got to think of someone beside yourself and like, think of who you can help and like realize that you could help somebody get over something. Maybe they need to. Just you need to be inspired by just go inspire somebody else that might help you get over the hump.

Speaker 2:

I mean, dude, I might help you get over the hump. I mean, dude, I. I learned a lot throughout this interview. I learned that you know, your childhood wasn't so great, but you made it great, like you know. Luckily, you had good people around you. You didn't fall into the same category as your parents, and now your parents are like doing a lot better now, right yeah like thanks.

Speaker 2:

So shout out to your mom yeah, it's a 16 year anniversary. You know, yep, yep and uh, we learned a lot about the music industry, you know, and uh, this podcast is about, you know, facing adversity and uh, persevering. You know and I say that every episode because for me it's the same thing like, I have to face like life every single day, like, and all I can do is move my neck, but I got dolce gabbana yeah, motherfuckers, and that's a fresh ass hat you got on.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I got a double entendre hat. You can get that on Shopify.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, Shopify.

Speaker 2:

Shopify you can get that. Go and support this dude man. I recommend listening to Liquid Love. Get back up again Freaking Costa Rica. All those songs are great, great, like classic, classic songs. And we got donations coming out hopefully soon, right.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, yep, yep, man, december 27th, fuck it. No, we gotta do it.

Speaker 2:

We gotta do it Straight up. It's gonna be out in two weeks, bro. It's gonna be out in two weeks, bro.

Speaker 4:

it's gonna be out in two weeks it's gonna be out in two weeks, alright, december 27th donations look for that shit. Be ready, be ready, let's go yeah exactly, dude.

Speaker 2:

It was good to talk to you. I love that we still are good friends. I can FaceTime you. You'll answer you know, hopefully, hopefully, when you're famous as hell and I'm still, like you know, trying to get up there, like you still answer the call oh, fuck it, bro.

Speaker 4:

Come on, I'll be coming back on the podcast we're talking about once you get up there, bro. I'll be back if I get famous.

Speaker 2:

I'm taking you and murphy with me. If you get famous, you do what you gotta do.

Speaker 4:

No, you definitely coming, bro, I'm calling your ass. Nah, we making it happen, whatever we gotta do bro.

Speaker 2:

We're all making it, so when can they find you, man, I'll look into that camera right there.

Speaker 4:

Man bro, so I go by Double Entendre. That's Double Entendre, that's how you spell it O-N-T-E-N-D-R-E. You can find me on all platforms. Go check out my website. It's doubleentendrecom, doubleentendrecom. And yeah, man, just vibe out with my music. I hope it inspires you To be a better version of yourself.

Speaker 3:

To live life to the max. Amen, live life to the max, follow your dreams.

Speaker 2:

Are you living life to the max? Amen, live life to the max. Follow your dreams. Are you living life to the max, do you?

Speaker 4:

think, every day getting better and better, better and better yeah.

Speaker 2:

And for everybody watching. If you like this episode, like, comment and subscribe. We have a YouTube channel. It's on Life to the Max Podcast and I enjoy reading every comment, whether it is mean or it is nice.

Speaker 3:

I prefer the nice ones.

Speaker 2:

I prefer the nice ones.

Speaker 4:

Spread love, not hate. Encouragement.

Speaker 2:

I'm loving the notoriety we're getting on the YouTube channel. So again, that's life to the max. Podcast subscribe, like go ahead and follow drake. His music's amazing and I'm paralyzed from the neck down breathing through a machine. But that doesn't stop me from following my dreams and doing what I love to do. I don't got any excuse, neither you. I'll see you guys in the next one.

Speaker 4:

I'm ready to burst. No gun in my pants, been on the search, my money to splurge, put some in your purse. Gonna run up the bands, take on the search and I'm headed to church. No, can't go to sleep while they on the stands. I'm here to serve humanity and God, using the words he handed me to job and the purpose of my life is to help the family globally. And it seems odd to cause calamity, but hopefully destruction of falsehood and reality is beneficial. I and reality is beneficial. I see solutions instead of issues. Revolutionists to use the tools of love instead of pistols. That dude could use a hug and probably use a set of tissues in the club, popping bottles while those people drop missiles.

Speaker 4:

Hella, complicated, kinda hard to see. Solutions, steady, concentrated. All the people sees illusions, mega populated. All it seems to be is confusion. Acting like we're not related. All we need to be some humans. The people have all of the power because we equal, deceitful, the powers that be. That feed the evils is lethal, but knowledge itself would be the key. So it's vital for survival. We just need to keep it peaceful.